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[Mars-sim-users] Mars Simulation Project Version 2.84 Progress Report (4/22/08)

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Sebastien, Lars and myself have been working on version 2.84 and here is our
development progress so far:

Lars created an in-program version of the user guide.  This was a major
undertaking and should help users a great deal in understanding the
program.  He improved the look and feel of the About window as well.

Sebastien also did some major work in refactoring the internal custom
collections used in the simulation to now use standard concurrency-safe
collections.  This was something we had meant to do for quite a while and it
should make the programming a lot cleaner and fix some UI bugs.  He's
currently working on fixing some sound bugs.

I worked on adding mineral concentrations on the surface of Mars that could
be mined.  I added a Mars navigator tool map layer to show the
concentrations.  I refactored the exploration mission to record mineral
concentration estimates for all sites explored, so they could be mined
later.  I refactored the research areology task to improve the accuracy of
estimations of previously explored sites.

Remaining tasks for 2.84: (Please add any that I've missed here)

Creating a new light utility vehicle that will be used for mining.  It will
be an electric vehicle designed for one driver in an EVA suit and can have
multiple attachment tools, such as a plow, back hoe, or air hammer, that
will be represented as parts in its inventory.  Its initial purpose will be
for mining excavation, but will be used for construction later.  One
difficulty in adding this new vehicle is that only rover vehicles existed
before and there may be a lot of code dealing with vehicles that assumes
that they are rovers.  This will need to be refactored.  Manufacturing,
parts and malfunctions related to this new vehicle will need to be created.
They will need to be added to initial settlement template configuration as
well as resupply lists.

Creating a new mining mission and mining task.  This mission will be similar
to the collect ice or regolith missions, but will require bringing along a
light utility vehicle and one crew member using it during the EVA.  The
percentage of the mineral ores available at the site that are collected will
be based on the collective skills (areology, EVA operations, driving) of the
mining crew.

Creating manufacturing processes for converting mined mineral ores into
useful resources, parts, etc.  The settlement value for the ores will be
based on the value of what they can be processed into, and the likelihood of
sending a mining mission out to a site will be based on the estimated value
of the ores there.

We will need to add the mining mission to the create mission wizard.  We
will need to provide the user with all of the mine-able sites within range
of the settlement to select from.  We may need to show the explored sites on
the map, and maybe create a map layer view for the Mars navigator tool that
shows explored sites as well.

I would like to refactor resources in the simulation from being hard coded
to being described in an XML config file, so they are consistent with other
things like parts.

I would like to refactor the trade goods load determining algorithm for
performance.  It's very CPU intensive at the moment and I have some ideas
for improving it.

Adding a mission tab to the settlement info dialog to show all missions
associated with the settlement.  There would be an override check box that
the user could select to require all new missions at the settlement to be
user created.  This will give the user more control over a settlement's
missions.

Take care,

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sf.net
sc...@us...

[Mars-sim-users] Help with Mars Sim.

[Paul G. <pa...@al...>]

Hello, I am Paul Graham. We may have met in Chicago at a MS convention, 
or you may have heard of me through Peter Koch, or through the many 
other activities I am involved in.

Would you like me to help in some way?

Paul

[Mars-sim-users] Mars Simulation Project v. 2.83 Released

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

 Version 2.83 of the Mars Simulation Project has been released.

This release includes the following features:

* Manufacturing at settlements with 88 manufacturing processes.
* Lots of new parts and resources.
* New Engineering job for manufacturing (and renaming old engineering job as
Technician).
* New materials science skill.
* New regolith prospecting rover mission. (Sebastien)
* New mission tool trading mission info panel.
* Logging support. (Sebastien)
* Support for compressed sound files. (Sebastien)
* Performance/bug fixes.

Special thanks to developer Sebastien, who put a lot of hard work into this
version, and Jim Brown, who advised us on manufacturing processes.

Download and enjoy,

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sf.net
sc...@us...

Re: [Mars-sim-users] User Guide!

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Kevin,

We don't currently have a downloadable form of the user guide, but I think
that's a good idea.  When I update the web-based user guide for the next
version release (in the next week or so), I'll create a PDF version of the
user guide that can be downloaded from a link.  Would that format work OK
for you?

The current web-based user guide is a bit limited and basically just covers
the user interface and the configuration files.  I've been meaning to add
more useful information to it and others have suggested a FAQ and some
description of how the simulation works behind the scenes.  Do you have any
suggestions for what you'd like to see in the user guide?

Thanks,

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sf.net
sc...@us...

On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Kevin Lettholm <pri...@gm...>
wrote:

> Hello, I greatly enjoy the Mars Simulation Project, but I was wondering if
> you would happen to have some form of downloadable form of the User-Guide
> avaible?
>
> I find it enjoyable to take the Mars Sim with me on my travels with my
> laptop, but then I lack internet access and thus it would be very useful for
> me.
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[Mars-sim-users] User Guide!

[Kevin L. <pri...@gm...>]

Hello, I greatly enjoy the Mars Simulation Project, but I was wondering if
you would happen to have some form of downloadable form of the User-Guide
avaible?

I find it enjoyable to take the Mars Sim with me on my travels with my
laptop, but then I lack internet access and thus it would be very useful for
me.

-- 
//Kevin Andersson Lettholm

[Mars-sim-users] mars colony interview for magazine?

[SHKOLYAR, S. <gal...@uf...>]

Hi,
I write for the Institute of Engineering and Technology, a 
UK-based professional magazine for members of the IET.
I am doing a feature about a virtual lunar colony concept called 
Lunar Boom Town. I was interested in interviewing Scott Davis 
about this idea and the possibility of Mars colonies for this 
article. Would this be possible to do within a month?  (For 
background, see http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Lunar_Boom_Town).

Thanks!
-Svetlana Shkolyar

[Mars-sim-users] Mars Simulation Project v. 2.82 Released

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Version 2.82 of the Mars Simulation Project has been released.

This release includes the following features:

Repair/maintenance parts: Twenty four parts have been added to the
simulation.  These are sometimes required by the settlers for repairing
malfunctions or maintaining equipment, vehicles, buildings, etc.  Each
settlement gets an initial set of parts and is resupplied from Earth each
Martian year.  Settlements can trade parts among themselves.

Automatic loading/saving UI settings:  UI configuration is now automatically
saved in an XML file when the program is closed and loaded when the program
is opened.  Window size/location (both outer window and inner desktop
windows), volume and look & feel of the UI are currently saved.

There are also a lot of bugs fixed and some performance improvements over
the previous version.

Please let me know if you have any problems with the program.

Download and enjoy,

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sf.net
sc...@us...

Re: [Mars-sim-users] From amirkabir university

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Alireza,

Well, I'm not sure what particular information you're wanting, so I'll
cover a few different topics.

To run the program, you will need to a Java Runtime Machine (JRE) of
version 1.50 or newer.  You can download one for free from Sun here:

http://java.com/en/download/index.jsp

When you have Java installed on your computer, you should be able to
run the program by double-clicking on the MarsProject.jar file.  If
this doesn't work, you can run it from the command line (in the same
directory) with this command:

java -jar MarsProject.jar

The config directory contains a number of XML files that are used to
configure the simulation.  Feel free to edit these to try different
things with the simulation, but you might want to create a backup copy
of the original files in case you need to go back to them.  To load
your modified configuration files, you'll need to start a new
simulation by selecting File -> New in the program's menu.

The simulation uses an multi-agent model for representing people.
Here's a good overview article on intelligent agents:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_agent

The planet Mars is represented by an object containing other objects
which represent information such as weather, terrain, orbital
position, landmarks, etc.  Most of this information is pretty simple
at this point, but we hope to add more details later.

Settlements are comprised of multiple buildings, each which is
described by the functions it can perform (farming, communications,
power generation, etc.).  Settlements can contain people, vehicles,
equipment and resources.

The people can take rover vehicles out on missions to explore the
land, mine ice, or trade with other settlements.

The simulation is basically turn-based, with one turn approximately
every real world second.  A single clock thread runs through the
simulation and passes a block of simulation time to Mars and all the
people on it to perform their tasks.

I started this project because of my personal interest in space
exploration and programming.  I was largely inspired by the fictional
books of Kim Stanley Robinson (Red Mars, Green Mars and Blue Mars) and
the non-fiction book The Case for Mars by Robert Zubrin.

Here are a few good articles on Mars:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Mars

I hope this information is useful to you.  Please let me know if you
have any questions.

Thanks,

Scott

On 9/23/07, Alireza <gho...@gm...> wrote:
> Dear Scott
> i want you to send me your process for this project. i want know what is
> exatly steps in create a simulation?
> please help me to know.
> and please send me details of your creating this project.
>
> bs regards
> Alireza
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> >
> > I'm not quite sure what exactly you're asking for.  I would be happy
> > to provide you any information you'd like about our open source
> > project for your university.
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> > Thanks,
> >
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> > On 9/22/07, Alireza <gho...@gm...> wrote:
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> > > our university want you to send us a catalog of your simulation projects
> to
> > > buy.
> > > So please send me its catalog + process of your working to create this
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[Mars-sim-users] What program opens it?

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Belinda,

The Mars Simulation Project requires a Java runtime installed on your
computer.  If you don't have that, you can download it for free from
Sun:

http://java.com/en/download/index.jsp

When you have that installed, you should be able to just double-click
on the MarsProject.jar file in the project's directory.  Please let me
know if that doesn't work.

Take care,

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sf.net
sc...@us...

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"Mars Simulation Project v 2.81 "

What program do I need to open this?

Regards, B

Re: [Mars-sim-users] From amirkabir university

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Alireza,

I'm not quite sure what exactly you're asking for.  I would be happy
to provide you any information you'd like about our open source
project for your university.

Thanks,

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sf.net
sc...@us...

On 9/22/07, Alireza <gho...@gm...> wrote:
> Dear all.
>
> our university want you to send us a catalog of your simulation projects to
> buy.
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> simulation for our students.
>
> best regards
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[Mars-sim-users] From amirkabir university

[Alireza <gho...@gm...>]

Dear all.

our university want you to send us a catalog of your simulation projects to
buy.
So please send me its catalog + process of your working to create this
simulation for our students.

best regards
Alireza Yarmohamadi

[Mars-sim-users] Mars Simulation Project v. 2.81 Released

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Fellow mars-simmers,

Last night I released version 2.81 of the Mars Simulation Project.

http://mars-sim.sf.net/

The main work in 2.81 was adding basic economics to the simulation.
Settlements can now barter trade resources, equipment and vehicles
with one another.  As more things are added in future versions with
repair parts, mining, manufacturing and construction, these will
traded as well.

There is a new trade mission in which settlers can estimate a
profitable trade with another nearby settlement, load up a rover and
drive there.  They then disembark at the settlement and negotiate a
trade with the most skilled trader among the local settlers.  The crew
then loads up the trade goods and returns to their original
settlement.  A new credit system keeps track of any credits/debts
between settlements as barter trade is seldom perfectly balanced.

A new trader job was added for settlers and only traders can initiate
a trade mission.  A trading skill was also added that is used in
negotiating trades.  A new rover, the cargo rover, was added that is
specialized for trade (2 crew and large cargo capacity).

Another aspect of economics, goods valuation, was added in this
version.  The values of all trade goods are determined for each
settlement (using an arbitrary unit of measurement, value points (VP))
and updated periodically.  These good values are not only used in
trade, but in determining the actions of the settlers.  For example,
if the value of ice is high at a settlement, there is a greater chance
the settlers will go on a ice prospecting mission.  Engineers can
toggle on or off the various automatic resource processing
capabilities in the settlement's buildings based on the relative
values of the process's inputs and outputs.

I also changed the rescue/salvage mission so that the mission rover is
fully loaded with fuel and life support supplies before embarking
rather than loaded based on the estimated distance of the mission as
it was previously.  I think this will help improve the chances of this
type of mission being successful because of the high probability that
the crew will be dealing with difficult terrain.

A few new UI components were added:
* Trade Goods panel on the monitor tool that shows the values of all
trade goods for all settlements.
* Goods panel in the settlement info window that shows the values of
all trade goods at the settlement.
* Credit panel in the settlement info window that shows the
credit/debt between this settlement and all other settlements.
* Processes panel in the settlement info window that shows all the
processes in all buildings of the settlement and if the process is on
or off.
* Maint panel in the settlement info window that shows the maintenance
status of all buildings of the settlement and any malfunctions
occurring at the settlement.

I've also fixed a number of bugs and performance problems.  I am
concerned with performance issues related to trade calculations.  The
simulation runs fine on my faster computer but is noticeably slow on
my old computer.  I would appreciate any feedback on simulation/UI
performance for this version.

Download and enjoy!

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sf.net
sc...@us...

[Mars-sim-users] Mars Society Conference

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Fellow mars-simmers,

I will be attending the Mars Society conference in Los Angeles, CA
this weekend (Aug 30 - Sept 2nd).

http://www.marssociety.com/portal/c/Conventions/2007

Let me know if any users or developers of the Mars Simulation Project
would like to meet up with me and discuss the project.

Take care,

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sf.net
sc...@us...

[Mars-sim-users] Mars Simulation Project 2.80 Released

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

 Version 2.80 of the Mars Simulation Project has been released.

This release includes the following features and bug fixes:

* New mission tool.
* Lots of bug fixes and performance improvements.

Download and enjoy,

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sf.net
sc...@us...

[Mars-sim-users] Mars simulation project 2.80 development build

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Fellow mars-simmers,

I finally finished the create mission wizard in the new mission tool.  I
think as a whole it turned out pretty good, especially with site drag system
for exploration and ice prospecting missions.  I uploaded the latest
development build on the project website so you can try it out if you'd
like.

http://mars-sim.sourceforge.net/download/mars-sim_2.80_070304.zip

I still need to finish implementing the mission editing capability of the
mission tool and there's a few small bugs I need to fix.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,


Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
mars-sim.sf.net
sc...@us...

[Mars-sim-users] Terraforming simulator release (PC & Mac)

[Michael B. <mba...@rn...>]

Hi,

I'm releasing "Terraformer", a terraforming simulator, for beta testing.
The current version is 0.2 beta for PC and Mac.

The program allows you to:
- terraform planets, moons and asteroids to create an earth like  
biosphere
- rearrange the orbit of planets in a stellar system
- add planets, moons and asteroids to each other
- seed and colonise planets and moons
- mine planets, moons, asteroids and comets for resources
- convert or store the atmosphere of a planet
- deploy solar panels for collecting energy
- explore detailed phase diagrams for atmospheric gases
- explore a taxonomic database
- explore a stellar system
The program also provides an energy cost analysis of each stage of  
terraforming.


There are seperate PC and Mac versions. They can be downloaded from:

Terraformer 0.2b (Mac).sit
http://www.mediafire.com/?5d45mu5zddj

Terraformer 0.2b (PC).zip
http://www.mediafire.com/?1nmqno5itzu


I look forward to your feedback


Michael Bastion
alt...@ya...
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Terraforming
http://www.geocities.com/alt_cosmos/index.html

[Mars-sim-users] New development snapshot for v2.80

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Fellow mars-simmers,

There were some bugs in version 2.79 related to creating new simulations and
loading saved simulations through the UI.  The program was retaining map
data from the previous running simulation and this was taking up a
considerable amount of memory and bogging down performance.

The work around is to close the program, which automatically saves the
running simulation, then start it up again, which automatically loads the
default saved simulation without the memory problems.

I was able to track down and fix the bug in the development code base for
the next version, 2.80.  I uploaded a snapshot of the code base on the
project's website if you'd like to try it.  It's beta quality, but should
run fine and it includes the new mission tool.  We've still got a few bugs
to fix and features to implement before 2.80 release.

http://mars-sim.sourceforge.net/download/mars-sim_2.80_061127.zip

Let me know what you think,

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sourceforge.net
sc...@us...

Re: [Mars-sim-users] MarsSim scriptable?

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Hal,

Thanks for the suggestion.  Are you thinking along the lines of a macro that
could interact with the simulation?  We were thinking of adding more
interaction to the user interface but I hadn't really thought about scripts
specifically.  We do use XML configuration files (in the conf directory)
that are read into a new simulation and are user-editable, but that's not
quite the same thing as runtime scripting.

I'm including the mars-sim-developers mailing list on this in case someone
on that list has some ideas about this.

Thanks,

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
sc...@us...

On 11/10/06, Hal Fulton <rub...@gm...> wrote:
>
> Hello anyone/everyone,
>
> I've been looking over the sim and it looks pretty cool...
> next week when I have time I'll try to play with it some.
>
> I was wondering: Would it make sense to introduce any
> kind of scripting functionality into the sim? E.g., write
> little programs to manipulate things automatically?
>
> Cheers,
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[Mars-sim-users] MarsSim scriptable?

[Hal F. <rub...@gm...>]

Hello anyone/everyone,

I've been looking over the sim and it looks pretty cool...
next week when I have time I'll try to play with it some.

I was wondering: Would it make sense to introduce any
kind of scripting functionality into the sim? E.g., write
little programs to manipulate things automatically?

Cheers,
Hal

[Mars-sim-users] From MarsDrive to Scott Davis

[Frank <fm...@do...>]

Hi Scott,
I think I emailed you a while back but I just wanted to update you on a =
few things with MarsDrive. We are trying to build our community and from =
that have the resources to work on a unique new project which will help =
in bringing forward human Mars missions called "The MarsDrive Working =
Group". It will be a massive collaboration of scientists, engineers, =
political, entertainment, financial and public outreach experts to work =
on solutions that so far have created barriers for potential backers of =
human missions. But to start on this project we are trying to build our =
own community so that we will have the people needed to set all this up. =


Part of our strategy is to get some games and simulations based on Mars =
and space accessable from our site and more than just a link so that =
people will join and start discussing things etc. We are wondering if =
there could be a way for us to have your simulation accessable from our =
site? We would love to promote it actively and would be willing to work =
with you in whatever capacity you want, so let us know what you think. I =
just feel that if we can start combining these attractive Mars sites and =
features into one group or site it would start to have a strong =
community building effect vs our sites and groups being hard to find and =
isolated as they are now. We are already partners with the Mars Society =
as well so if you bring your sim over to MarsDrive we would be more than =
happy to credit your efforts as being for the Mars Society. We also =
offer a lively community who can help you with your project. Hope to =
hear from you soon.

Frank Stratford
Executive Director
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Re: [Mars-sim-users] (no subject)

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Mohamed,

You can download the Mars Simulation Project from the project's download
page:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mars-sim/MarsProject_2.79.zip

If you're having troubles with downloading the file from there, I put the
latest version on the project's web site here:
http://mars-sim.sourceforge.net/download/MarsProject_2.79.zip

The file is a bit too large (~14mb) to send as an email attachment.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sourceforge.net
sc...@us...

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[Mars-sim-users] Mars Simulation Project v. 2.79 Released

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Hello,

I just released version 2.79 of the Mars Simulation Project.

Changes in this version include:

 * New rover rescue/salvage mission.  When a rover doesn't have the fuel or
life support resources to make it back to a settlement, the crew will set an
emergency beacon (In the navigator tool, the rover's name will blink on and
off when the emergency beacon is set).  People in nearby settlements can
mount a mission to rescue the rover's crew, or at least salvage the rover if
the crew has died.

 * Resource containers (bags, barrels, gas canisters and specimen
containers) can hold a particular type or phase (liquid, solid or gas) of
resource and can be carried in a unit's inventory.

 * Lots of bug fixes, refactoring and performance improvements.

http://mars-sim.sourceforge.net

We appreciate any feedback, bug reports or suggestions for inprovement of
the project.

For the next version, I'm planning on adding a mission viewer/editor that
will allow the user to create new missions or edit existing missions in the
simulation during runtime.  Hopefully the development cycle on the next
release will be quicker.

Download and enjoy!

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sourceforge.net
sc...@us...

Re: [Mars-sim-users] how do i open file

[Scott D. <mar...@gm...>]

Hi.  The Mars Simulation Project is a Java program and requires a Java
runtime environment installed on your computer to run.

You can download and install a free Java Runtime Environment (JRE) from Sun
here: http://java.com/en/download/index.jsp

Sorry if the project website or the documentation was unclear about that.
Let me know if you still have problems running the simulation after
installing the JRE.

Take care,

Scott Davis
Mars Simulation Project
http://mars-sim.sourceforge.net
sc...@us...

On 4/14/06, Wal...@ao... <Wal...@ao...> wrote:
>
>  or what program should i use to open marsproject sim game
>

[Mars-sim-users] how long does it take to get approval

[<Wal...@ao...>]

How long till i can use this program i dowloaded and what do i use to open  
mars sim file?