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Hi again,

I keep on getting this error:

Note taking, yeah.
That was my next step actually. To get the personal commentary edit  
function back in like it is in MacSword 1.
Actually not that complicated, some wotj though.
But note taking could actually be more or something additional to  
personal commentary.

I was also thinking of a full-screen function. Since Mac OSX Leopard  
this is relatively easy possible with the APIs for any NSView.

In some time I also would like to have a time-line feature. Like a  
Gantt diagram where users can add events or the life span of a  
Patriarch or something else.

Regards,
Manfred

Am 22.02.2009 um 17:51 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:

>
>
> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>
>> Von: Hannes Brecka <br...@gm...>
>> Datum: 21. Februar 2009 17:36:16 GMT+00:00
>> An: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
>> Betreff: Re: Macsword-develop] MacSword 2 - Crash Report, Repository
>>
>> Wow, Version 1.8.8 got me impressed!
>>
>> Now that's handy with the book and chapter index right on the side —
>> very good usability.
>> The implemented functions run smoothly so far. Only the right-side-
>> bar on a fresh Workspace does not show the book/chapter index from
>> the beginning, but when you add a second module to the same window
>> and switch back to the first only then you have the index right
>> there but not before.
>> Also the history arrows work as expected for searches.
>>
>> I have some ideas and suggestions in my head but will have to think
>> over them and then will tell you — one part is note tacking,
>> bookmarking with a decent system, another thing is the possibility
>> to store searches in a way you can add a spotlight search to a
>> finder window on the left side bar, also some UI tweaks (bottom bar
>> thingies) and some more...
>>
>> Manfred, I just added the MacSword2 Repository to Xcode with SVN
>> Checkout from the trunk you gave me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hannes
>>
>> Am 20.02.2009 um 09:08 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>>
>>> Hi Hannes.
>>>
>>> I think my last mail was too briefly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hannes, actually you should have read access to the repository
>>> already. Everyone has, this is open source.
>>> Here are some paths:
>>>
>>> The MacSword2 development branch:
>>> http://macsword.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/macsword/macsword/trunk/
>>>
>>> The MacSword 1.3 branch:
>>> http://macsword.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/macsword/macsword/branches/MacSword-1.3
>>>
>>> The MacSword 1.4 branch:
>>> http://macsword.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/macsword/macsword/branches/MacSword-1.4
>>>
>>> All are Cocoa application, I think we never had a Carbon one.
>>>
>>> Here are instruction for pulling the source code:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=73300
>>>
>>> In case you only want to pull the trunk, issue this command (if you
>>> have a subversion command line version installed):
>>> svn co https://macsword.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/macsword/macsword/trunk
>>> macsword-trunk
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Manfred
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 19.02.2009 um 16:57 schrieb Hannes Brecka:
>>>
>>>> Hallo Manfred!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your efforts again!
>>>> Latest MacSword2 crashed on searching the index (does work with
>>>> other books and strings) so I thought I'll send you the crash
>>>> report which could be any help in your progress.
>>>> I recently came across Smart Crash Reports from Unsanity  
>>>> Software: http://smartcrashreports.com/
>>>> This could be useful in beta, maybe have a look at it to have it
>>>> sent the Crash Reports directly.
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to ask you if you could sync the source of MacSword 2
>>>> with the svn (or cvs) at Sourceforge.net ? I would be grateful to
>>>> trim and experiment with the source and especially the UI here and
>>>> there.
>>>> As far I can see only the MacSword 1 Source of the Cocoa Version
>>>> is on the Repository: http://macsword.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/macsword/macsword/trunk/
>>>> and the old Carbon Version: http://macsword.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/macsword/macsword/
>>>> It would be great to have read access to the MacSword 2 repository
>>>> from within Xcode!
>>>>
>>>> Keep up your great work! :-)
>>>>
>>>> All the best and may God bless your project,
>>>> Hannes
>>>
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> Von: Hannes Brecka <br...@gm...>
> Datum: 21. Februar 2009 17:36:16 GMT+00:00
> An: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
> Betreff: Re: Macsword-develop] MacSword 2 - Crash Report, Repository
>
> Wow, Version 1.8.8 got me impressed!
>
> Now that's handy with the book and chapter index right on the side —  
> very good usability.
> The implemented functions run smoothly so far. Only the right-side- 
> bar on a fresh Workspace does not show the book/chapter index from  
> the beginning, but when you add a second module to the same window  
> and switch back to the first only then you have the index right  
> there but not before.
> Also the history arrows work as expected for searches.
>
> I have some ideas and suggestions in my head but will have to think  
> over them and then will tell you — one part is note tacking,  
> bookmarking with a decent system, another thing is the possibility  
> to store searches in a way you can add a spotlight search to a  
> finder window on the left side bar, also some UI tweaks (bottom bar  
> thingies) and some more...
>
> Manfred, I just added the MacSword2 Repository to Xcode with SVN  
> Checkout from the trunk you gave me.
>
> Thanks,
> Hannes
>
> Am 20.02.2009 um 09:08 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>
>> Hi Hannes.
>>
>> I think my last mail was too briefly.
>>
>>
>> Hannes, actually you should have read access to the repository  
>> already. Everyone has, this is open source.
>> Here are some paths:
>>
>> The MacSword2 development branch:
>> http://macsword.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/macsword/macsword/trunk/
>>
>> The MacSword 1.3 branch:
>> http://macsword.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/macsword/macsword/branches/MacSword-1.3
>>
>> The MacSword 1.4 branch:
>> http://macsword.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/macsword/macsword/branches/MacSword-1.4
>>
>> All are Cocoa application, I think we never had a Carbon one.
>>
>> Here are instruction for pulling the source code:
>> http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=73300
>>
>> In case you only want to pull the trunk, issue this command (if you  
>> have a subversion command line version installed):
>> svn co https://macsword.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/macsword/macsword/trunk 
>>  macsword-trunk
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manfred
>>
>>
>> Am 19.02.2009 um 16:57 schrieb Hannes Brecka:
>>
>>> Hallo Manfred!
>>>
>>> Thanks for your efforts again!
>>> Latest MacSword2 crashed on searching the index (does work with  
>>> other books and strings) so I thought I'll send you the crash  
>>> report which could be any help in your progress.
>>> I recently came across Smart Crash Reports from Unsanity Software: http://smartcrashreports.com/
>>> This could be useful in beta, maybe have a look at it to have it  
>>> sent the Crash Reports directly.
>>>
>>> I wanted to ask you if you could sync the source of MacSword 2  
>>> with the svn (or cvs) at Sourceforge.net ? I would be grateful to  
>>> trim and experiment with the source and especially the UI here and  
>>> there.
>>> As far I can see only the MacSword 1 Source of the Cocoa Version  
>>> is on the Repository: http://macsword.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/macsword/macsword/trunk/
>>> and the old Carbon Version: http://macsword.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/macsword/macsword/
>>> It would be great to have read access to the MacSword 2 repository  
>>> from within Xcode!
>>>
>>> Keep up your great work! :-)
>>>
>>> All the best and may God bless your project,
>>> Hannes
>>

Hi Vince.

Hmm, that's not so easy.
First of all the index is different for most of the Sword frontends.
BibleDesktop uses Java Lucene and some other application use CLucene  
to create the index and search.
Their indexes is incompatible to our Apple SearchKit index.
Also some indexes can get quite large and I then creating the index is  
faster then downloading it.

I think creating the index is not an issue if it is handled the right  
way.
The background indexer is a good idea in my opinion for people who  
don't play a lot with modules and don't install loads of them.
In case of on-the-fly indexing the user just needs to be aware that an  
index in necessary for searching and that it takes some more time on  
the frist search.

Regards,
Manfred

Am 20.02.2009 um 02:50 schrieb Vince LaRue:

> Manfred,
>
> Is there a way to have the module installer actually pull an index  
> file and install it when the module itself is installed? If the  
> modules were already pre-indexed, that would save the user time and  
> possibly a few headaches.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Vince
>
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>   1. Re: MacSword 2 porting from MacSword issues (Manfred Bergmann)
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> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:44:52 +0000
> From: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Macsword-develop] MacSword 2 porting from MacSword
>        issues
> To: Hannes Brecka <br...@gm...>
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> Hey Hannes.
>
> Thanks for your report.
> This really helps a lot.
> Sometimes I think like: am I on the right track here with this?
> So feedback like your's is highly appreciated.
>
> You are indeed right, indexing some modules means trouble. The quality
> of the modules sometimes varies but still MacSword should be able to
> index all of them.
> I've already fixed a possible bug that I think caused one of the
> crashes you've sent the crash log.
> The otherone is a little harder since it seemes you removed a modules
> using the module installer and in another thread the indexer wanted to
> index it.
> So I need to add some synchronization here.
>
> The background indexing has some advantages but also some  
> disadvantages.
> The advantage is you can search immidiately in all modules without
> waiting until the indexing is finished.
> Also this can be used application wide because it garanties that the
> index is available.
>
> On the other hand, when adding new modules, the indexing consumes a
> lot of CPU power. Some modules are indexed within seconds, others,
> with more information (like Strong's, morphs, ...) take longer.
>
> I would indeed maybe switch this feature off by default. Because
> you'll never know if someone installed modules from a CD or even uses
> the CD for modules.
> In that case all modules from the CD are indexed.
>
> And you are right, when removing the module, the index should also be
> removed. I'll add this in the todo list.
>
> Our Elberfelder and Luther modules do not contain Strong's any longer.
> I thought, too that the Lutrher had Strong's but it seems they
> disapeared.
>
> Actually MacSword2 has a separate preferences file (in Library/
> Preferences) but the modules are shared. I guess this is what you  
> mean.
>
>
> Indeed, I hope you'll report more. You input is very valuable.
> I'll try to figure out why the columns are not stored in the module
> installer.
> The next main target is the commentary editing feature.
> After that and if hopefully some more bugs are fixed I would like to
> release a beta version to a wider public.
>
>
>
> Best regards and God bles,
> Manfred
>
>
> Am 13.02.2009 um 16:47 schrieb Hannes Brecka:
>
> > Hi Manfred!
> >
> > I've finally made the step from MacSword to MacSword 2 alpha for
> > some intense personal usage.
> > I do really love the Leopard Cocoa UI very Mail/iTunes like all in
> > one window and the HUD for Strongs... ,
> > been waiting for this, glad you are porting it now.
> >
> > First thing when migrating to the alpha was I had to begin from the
> > scratch because when I used my old preferences and installed Modules
> > it kept crashing.
> > So now I tried figuring out what was causing this starting from a
> > blank installation.
> > All was fine when I've installed some english, german Bible Texts
> > and Dictionaries, Strongs.
> > But as soon I begin to add some Generic Books or other special
> > dictionaries via the Module Installer MacSword crashes ? it's not
> > only one but several modules it doesn't like.
> > Thus I now add one at a time when I need something and then check if
> > it will run or crash.
> >
> > I add a crash log for the incompatible modules:
> > <MacSword_2009-02-13-161606_MacHBook.crash>
> >
> > <MacSword_2009-02-13-163913_MacHBook.crash>
> >
> >
> > What I don't like is the way of Indexing ;-)
> > Automatic indexing makes me think my Mac is gonna explode, after I
> > added some modules, cause both processors go up to the limit, fans
> > spin like wild but at least it doesn't hang nor crash.
> > Further more the index clutters the hard disk extremely, i.e. after
> > some indexed books I end up with an index folder of about 500 MB
> > (whereas WebstersDic alone is 134 MB) - Yes I know, one can turn off
> > automatic indexing but I still find it useful but the intense
> > workload and index size are a big malus.
> > Additionally removing index and cache has to be done manually (from
> > Application Support folder) ? when I remove a module with the Module
> > Installer I would like the index to be removed too.
> >
> > Another thing is that the index on the right SideBar doesn't
> > (always) show up. When I open single Dictionaries I have the index
> > in the right side bar ? btw. really like the live search and
> > narrowing! ? but not on the workspace with my bible modules.
> >
> > Strongs for KJV do work but not for my german Elberfelder or Luther
> > - there are no strong numbers displayed. I had strongs at least with
> > the Luther module in MacSword 1. I have installed the same modules
> > via the Module Installer, but maybe those simply have no strongs
> > anymore.
> >
> > Not all the window preferences are stored ? e.g. I like the
> > modification of the Module Installer columns (dragging one before
> > the other and size) but it's not "remembered" after a restart.
> >
> > I wished MacSword 2 alpha had a separate preference file so I could
> > run both MacSword and MacSword alpha but now of the issues described
> > in the beginning I am "forced" to run one so I chose to stick to the
> > alpha release with all it's limitations and unstableness (well it's
> > not that instable anymore) and remove the clog it produces on HD and
> > memory manually.
> > I already enjoy this release of MacSword which gives me a very
> > valuable Sword Bible for my Mac. I'm so glad I have a (nearly) all
> > in one Bible study suite for my bible readings, studying and
> > preparation for services.
> > I hope I can report some of my issues and bugs after some more  
> usage.
> >
> > Manfred congrats for your work so far and thanks for your efforts!
> >
> > Rejoice,
> > Hannes
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> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:09:15 +0000
> From: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Macsword-develop] new alpha
> To: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
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> Hi.
>
> New version release (1.8.7) with some fixes and improvements
> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_7.html
> http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.7.app.zip
>
> Or simply use updater.
>
> Again, I would be happy for any feedback.
>
>
> Regards,
> Manfred
>
>
> Am 10.02.2009 um 08:39 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>
> > Download location has changed to:
> > http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.6.app.zip
> >
> >
> > Manfred
> >
> >
> > Am 01.02.2009 um 17:03 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
> >
> >> New version available:
> >>
> >> http://macsword.com/download/MacSword-1.8.6.app.zip
> >> Or update using the Updater.
> >>
> >> Following is changed:
> >> - fixed localization problems.
> >> - fixed problems with reference lookups that caused crashes.
> >> - added context menus for bible and Commentary view for quick  
> access
> >> to Index and Dictionary entry look up.
> >> - added check for Leopard Mac OS version.
> >> - scrolling in Bibles synchronized now also to any open  
> Commentaries
> >> in the same view.
> >>
> >>
> >> Manfred
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 29.01.2009 um 09:38 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
> >>
> >>> Hi.
> >>>
> >>> Again an update.
> >>> Please look here for changes:
> >>> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_5.html
> >>>
> >>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.5.app.zip
> >>>
> >>> I appreciate reports of any errors, bug or other issues that might
> >>> occur.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Manfred
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 14.01.2009 um 09:11 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've added a scope bar for search options. They are supposed to
> >>>> change
> >>>> according to the chosen search type (reference, index).
> >>>> Currently only some available module display options can be set
> >>>> (Strong's, Morphs, ...).
> >>>> Also the bible references in the indexed search result are links
> >>>> now.
> >>>> Later it should be possible to click open them in a new pane.
> >>>>
> >>>> Vince, by default Strong's are not shown anymore but can be
> >>>> switched
> >>>> on.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> For anyone interested in testing and giving feedback:
> >>>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.4.app.zip
> >>>>
> >>>> I found that the update checker doesn't work correctly. For any  
> old
> >>>> version it tells me that it is the current version which is not
> >>>> right
> >>>> actually.
> >>>> Can anyone confirm this?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Manfred
> >>>>
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> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:32:52 +0100
> From: Hannes Brecka <br...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Macsword-develop] new alpha
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> Hi Manfred!
> Thanks for this quick build and implementation of some new features.
>
> Appreciate the step to remove auto index by default but now I miss a
> way to index single modules, maybe you can add a menu item or a
> contextual list item to create an index for a single module.
>
> Do you know when you will be able to add the index list for bible
> modules in the right sidebar just like some of the books have ? or
> should this work already?
> And when do you intend to implement browsing through pages and
> chapters (and history)? I am very grateful and looking forward to see
> this.
>
> In Version 1.8.7 Reference search is obviously broken for me.
> "John 1" brings up Johannes 1 correctly but "Jakobus 1" (Jac 1) will
> display 1. Mose 1 and so do some other Reference searches ? other
> result in a blank window or display 1. Mose 1 (As far as I can see
> it's mostly New Testament books)
> It does work when I open the previous version 1.8.6, though.
>
> Best regards,
> Hannes
>
> Am 17.02.2009 um 12:09 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > New version release (1.8.7) with some fixes and improvements
> > http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_7.html
> > http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.7.app.zip
> >
> > Or simply use updater.
> >
> > Again, I would be happy for any feedback.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Manfred
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:59:11 +0000
> From: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Macsword-develop] new alpha
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>
> Hi Hannes.
>
> Indexing is done on-the-fly for when background indexing is switched
> off.
> For example if you have an open bible and switch to "Index" search
> type, type anything, the index is built automatically if it doesn't
> exist.
> That means that the first search takes longer.
> But I will add a requester window that asks the user if he would like
> to create an index instead of silently creating it so that he knows
> why the search takes longer.
>
> Index list for bibles, hmm. Actually I wasn't sure about what
> information to fill in the right sidebar for bibles.
> But I think listing the bible books including chapters is quite a good
> idea. :)
>
> Paging, what exactly do you want to see here? Do you have an example?
>
> Unfortunately I have used the subversion HEAD of the SWORD library
> which obviously has some bugs.
> I will switch back to the point release then whch does not have these
> problems. Sorry for that.
>
>
> Regards,
> Manfred
>
>
> Am 17.02.2009 um 21:32 schrieb Hannes Brecka:
>
> > Hi Manfred!
> > Thanks for this quick build and implementation of some new features.
> >
> > Appreciate the step to remove auto index by default but now I miss a
> > way to index single modules, maybe you can add a menu item or a
> > contextual list item to create an index for a single module.
> >
> > Do you know when you will be able to add the index list for bible
> > modules in the right sidebar just like some of the books have ? or
> > should this work already?
> > And when do you intend to implement browsing through pages and
> > chapters (and history)? I am very grateful and looking forward to  
> see
> > this.
> >
> > In Version 1.8.7 Reference search is obviously broken for me.
> > "John 1" brings up Johannes 1 correctly but "Jakobus 1" (Jac 1) will
> > display 1. Mose 1 and so do some other Reference searches ? other
> > result in a blank window or display 1. Mose 1 (As far as I can see
> > it's mostly New Testament books)
> > It does work when I open the previous version 1.8.6, though.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Hannes
> >
> > Am 17.02.2009 um 12:09 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
> >
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> New version release (1.8.7) with some fixes and improvements
> >> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_7.html
> >> http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.7.app.zip
> >>
> >> Or simply use updater.
> >>
> >> Again, I would be happy for any feedback.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Manfred
> >
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> Indexing on-the-fly isn't included anymore:
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> Could you please add this feature from the old source, thanks in
> advance, and a requester window is a good idea.
>
> Yeah, looking forward to an expandable bible books and chapter index.
>
> Paging:
> When a chapter of a book is open the possibility to switch to the next
> chapter or book with a toolbar arrow or key shortcut ??
>
> One more thing:
> Can you please make the preview HUD be top of all application windows
> only but not top of all windows, i.e. it doesn't hide other frontmost
> application windows.
>
> Best regards,
> Hannes
>
>
> Am 18.02.2009 um 08:59 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>
> > Hi Hannes.
> >
> > Indexing is done on-the-fly for when background indexing is switched
> > off.
> > For example if you have an open bible and switch to "Index" search
> > type, type anything, the index is built automatically if it doesn't
> > exist.
> > That means that the first search takes longer.
> > But I will add a requester window that asks the user if he would  
> like
> > to create an index instead of silently creating it so that he knows
> > why the search takes longer.
> >
> > Index list for bibles, hmm. Actually I wasn't sure about what
> > information to fill in the right sidebar for bibles.
> > But I think listing the bible books including chapters is quite a  
> good
> > idea. :)
> >
> > Paging, what exactly do you want to see here? Do you have an  
> example?
> >
> > Unfortunately I have used the subversion HEAD of the SWORD library
> > which obviously has some bugs.
> > I will switch back to the point release then whch does not have  
> these
> > problems. Sorry for that.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Manfred
> >
> >
> > Am 17.02.2009 um 21:32 schrieb Hannes Brecka:
> >
> >> Hi Manfred!
> >> Thanks for this quick build and implementation of some new  
> features.
> >>
> >> Appreciate the step to remove auto index by default but now I  
> miss a
> >> way to index single modules, maybe you can add a menu item or a
> >> contextual list item to create an index for a single module.
> >>
> >> Do you know when you will be able to add the index list for bible
> >> modules in the right sidebar just like some of the books have ? or
> >> should this work already?
> >> And when do you intend to implement browsing through pages and
> >> chapters (and history)? I am very grateful and looking forward to  
> see
> >> this.
> >>
> >> In Version 1.8.7 Reference search is obviously broken for me.
> >> "John 1" brings up Johannes 1 correctly but "Jakobus 1" (Jac 1)  
> will
> >> display 1. Mose 1 and so do some other Reference searches ? other
> >> result in a blank window or display 1. Mose 1 (As far as I can see
> >> it's mostly New Testament books)
> >> It does work when I open the previous version 1.8.6, though.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Hannes
> >>
> >> Am 17.02.2009 um 12:09 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
> >>
> >>> Hi.
> >>>
> >>> New version release (1.8.7) with some fixes and improvements
> >>> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_7.html
> >>> http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.7.app.zip
> >>>
> >>> Or simply use updater.
> >>>
> >>> Again, I would be happy for any feedback.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Manfred
> >>
> >>
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Manfred,

Is there a way to have the module installer actually pull an index file and
install it when the module itself is installed? If the modules were already
pre-indexed, that would save the user time and possibly a few headaches.

Just a thought.

Vince

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> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:44:52 +0000
> From: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Macsword-develop] MacSword 2 porting from MacSword
>        issues
> To: Hannes Brecka <br...@gm...>
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> Hey Hannes.
>
> Thanks for your report.
> This really helps a lot.
> Sometimes I think like: am I on the right track here with this?
> So feedback like your's is highly appreciated.
>
> You are indeed right, indexing some modules means trouble. The quality
> of the modules sometimes varies but still MacSword should be able to
> index all of them.
> I've already fixed a possible bug that I think caused one of the
> crashes you've sent the crash log.
> The otherone is a little harder since it seemes you removed a modules
> using the module installer and in another thread the indexer wanted to
> index it.
> So I need to add some synchronization here.
>
> The background indexing has some advantages but also some disadvantages.
> The advantage is you can search immidiately in all modules without
> waiting until the indexing is finished.
> Also this can be used application wide because it garanties that the
> index is available.
>
> On the other hand, when adding new modules, the indexing consumes a
> lot of CPU power. Some modules are indexed within seconds, others,
> with more information (like Strong's, morphs, ...) take longer.
>
> I would indeed maybe switch this feature off by default. Because
> you'll never know if someone installed modules from a CD or even uses
> the CD for modules.
> In that case all modules from the CD are indexed.
>
> And you are right, when removing the module, the index should also be
> removed. I'll add this in the todo list.
>
> Our Elberfelder and Luther modules do not contain Strong's any longer.
> I thought, too that the Lutrher had Strong's but it seems they
> disapeared.
>
> Actually MacSword2 has a separate preferences file (in Library/
> Preferences) but the modules are shared. I guess this is what you mean.
>
>
> Indeed, I hope you'll report more. You input is very valuable.
> I'll try to figure out why the columns are not stored in the module
> installer.
> The next main target is the commentary editing feature.
> After that and if hopefully some more bugs are fixed I would like to
> release a beta version to a wider public.
>
>
>
> Best regards and God bles,
> Manfred
>
>
> Am 13.02.2009 um 16:47 schrieb Hannes Brecka:
>
> > Hi Manfred!
> >
> > I've finally made the step from MacSword to MacSword 2 alpha for
> > some intense personal usage.
> > I do really love the Leopard Cocoa UI very Mail/iTunes like all in
> > one window and the HUD for Strongs... ,
> > been waiting for this, glad you are porting it now.
> >
> > First thing when migrating to the alpha was I had to begin from the
> > scratch because when I used my old preferences and installed Modules
> > it kept crashing.
> > So now I tried figuring out what was causing this starting from a
> > blank installation.
> > All was fine when I've installed some english, german Bible Texts
> > and Dictionaries, Strongs.
> > But as soon I begin to add some Generic Books or other special
> > dictionaries via the Module Installer MacSword crashes ? it's not
> > only one but several modules it doesn't like.
> > Thus I now add one at a time when I need something and then check if
> > it will run or crash.
> >
> > I add a crash log for the incompatible modules:
> > <MacSword_2009-02-13-161606_MacHBook.crash>
> >
> > <MacSword_2009-02-13-163913_MacHBook.crash>
> >
> >
> > What I don't like is the way of Indexing ;-)
> > Automatic indexing makes me think my Mac is gonna explode, after I
> > added some modules, cause both processors go up to the limit, fans
> > spin like wild but at least it doesn't hang nor crash.
> > Further more the index clutters the hard disk extremely, i.e. after
> > some indexed books I end up with an index folder of about 500 MB
> > (whereas WebstersDic alone is 134 MB) - Yes I know, one can turn off
> > automatic indexing but I still find it useful but the intense
> > workload and index size are a big malus.
> > Additionally removing index and cache has to be done manually (from
> > Application Support folder) ? when I remove a module with the Module
> > Installer I would like the index to be removed too.
> >
> > Another thing is that the index on the right SideBar doesn't
> > (always) show up. When I open single Dictionaries I have the index
> > in the right side bar ? btw. really like the live search and
> > narrowing! ? but not on the workspace with my bible modules.
> >
> > Strongs for KJV do work but not for my german Elberfelder or Luther
> > - there are no strong numbers displayed. I had strongs at least with
> > the Luther module in MacSword 1. I have installed the same modules
> > via the Module Installer, but maybe those simply have no strongs
> > anymore.
> >
> > Not all the window preferences are stored ? e.g. I like the
> > modification of the Module Installer columns (dragging one before
> > the other and size) but it's not "remembered" after a restart.
> >
> > I wished MacSword 2 alpha had a separate preference file so I could
> > run both MacSword and MacSword alpha but now of the issues described
> > in the beginning I am "forced" to run one so I chose to stick to the
> > alpha release with all it's limitations and unstableness (well it's
> > not that instable anymore) and remove the clog it produces on HD and
> > memory manually.
> > I already enjoy this release of MacSword which gives me a very
> > valuable Sword Bible for my Mac. I'm so glad I have a (nearly) all
> > in one Bible study suite for my bible readings, studying and
> > preparation for services.
> > I hope I can report some of my issues and bugs after some more usage.
> >
> > Manfred congrats for your work so far and thanks for your efforts!
> >
> > Rejoice,
> > Hannes
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> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:09:15 +0000
> From: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Macsword-develop] new alpha
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> Hi.
>
> New version release (1.8.7) with some fixes and improvements
> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_7.html
> http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.7.app.zip
>
> Or simply use updater.
>
> Again, I would be happy for any feedback.
>
>
> Regards,
> Manfred
>
>
> Am 10.02.2009 um 08:39 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>
> > Download location has changed to:
> > http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.6.app.zip
> >
> >
> > Manfred
> >
> >
> > Am 01.02.2009 um 17:03 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
> >
> >> New version available:
> >>
> >> http://macsword.com/download/MacSword-1.8.6.app.zip
> >> Or update using the Updater.
> >>
> >> Following is changed:
> >> - fixed localization problems.
> >> - fixed problems with reference lookups that caused crashes.
> >> - added context menus for bible and Commentary view for quick access
> >> to Index and Dictionary entry look up.
> >> - added check for Leopard Mac OS version.
> >> - scrolling in Bibles synchronized now also to any open Commentaries
> >> in the same view.
> >>
> >>
> >> Manfred
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 29.01.2009 um 09:38 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
> >>
> >>> Hi.
> >>>
> >>> Again an update.
> >>> Please look here for changes:
> >>> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_5.html
> >>>
> >>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.5.app.zip
> >>>
> >>> I appreciate reports of any errors, bug or other issues that might
> >>> occur.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Manfred
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 14.01.2009 um 09:11 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've added a scope bar for search options. They are supposed to
> >>>> change
> >>>> according to the chosen search type (reference, index).
> >>>> Currently only some available module display options can be set
> >>>> (Strong's, Morphs, ...).
> >>>> Also the bible references in the indexed search result are links
> >>>> now.
> >>>> Later it should be possible to click open them in a new pane.
> >>>>
> >>>> Vince, by default Strong's are not shown anymore but can be
> >>>> switched
> >>>> on.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> For anyone interested in testing and giving feedback:
> >>>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.4.app.zip
> >>>>
> >>>> I found that the update checker doesn't work correctly. For any old
> >>>> version it tells me that it is the current version which is not
> >>>> right
> >>>> actually.
> >>>> Can anyone confirm this?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Manfred
> >>>>
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> Hi Manfred!
> Thanks for this quick build and implementation of some new features.
>
> Appreciate the step to remove auto index by default but now I miss a
> way to index single modules, maybe you can add a menu item or a
> contextual list item to create an index for a single module.
>
> Do you know when you will be able to add the index list for bible
> modules in the right sidebar just like some of the books have ? or
> should this work already?
> And when do you intend to implement browsing through pages and
> chapters (and history)? I am very grateful and looking forward to see
> this.
>
> In Version 1.8.7 Reference search is obviously broken for me.
> "John 1" brings up Johannes 1 correctly but "Jakobus 1" (Jac 1) will
> display 1. Mose 1 and so do some other Reference searches ? other
> result in a blank window or display 1. Mose 1 (As far as I can see
> it's mostly New Testament books)
> It does work when I open the previous version 1.8.6, though.
>
> Best regards,
> Hannes
>
> Am 17.02.2009 um 12:09 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > New version release (1.8.7) with some fixes and improvements
> > http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_7.html
> > http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.7.app.zip
> >
> > Or simply use updater.
> >
> > Again, I would be happy for any feedback.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Manfred
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:59:11 +0000
> From: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Macsword-develop] new alpha
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> Hi Hannes.
>
> Indexing is done on-the-fly for when background indexing is switched
> off.
> For example if you have an open bible and switch to "Index" search
> type, type anything, the index is built automatically if it doesn't
> exist.
> That means that the first search takes longer.
> But I will add a requester window that asks the user if he would like
> to create an index instead of silently creating it so that he knows
> why the search takes longer.
>
> Index list for bibles, hmm. Actually I wasn't sure about what
> information to fill in the right sidebar for bibles.
> But I think listing the bible books including chapters is quite a good
> idea. :)
>
> Paging, what exactly do you want to see here? Do you have an example?
>
> Unfortunately I have used the subversion HEAD of the SWORD library
> which obviously has some bugs.
> I will switch back to the point release then whch does not have these
> problems. Sorry for that.
>
>
> Regards,
> Manfred
>
>
> Am 17.02.2009 um 21:32 schrieb Hannes Brecka:
>
> > Hi Manfred!
> > Thanks for this quick build and implementation of some new features.
> >
> > Appreciate the step to remove auto index by default but now I miss a
> > way to index single modules, maybe you can add a menu item or a
> > contextual list item to create an index for a single module.
> >
> > Do you know when you will be able to add the index list for bible
> > modules in the right sidebar just like some of the books have ? or
> > should this work already?
> > And when do you intend to implement browsing through pages and
> > chapters (and history)? I am very grateful and looking forward to see
> > this.
> >
> > In Version 1.8.7 Reference search is obviously broken for me.
> > "John 1" brings up Johannes 1 correctly but "Jakobus 1" (Jac 1) will
> > display 1. Mose 1 and so do some other Reference searches ? other
> > result in a blank window or display 1. Mose 1 (As far as I can see
> > it's mostly New Testament books)
> > It does work when I open the previous version 1.8.6, though.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Hannes
> >
> > Am 17.02.2009 um 12:09 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
> >
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> New version release (1.8.7) with some fixes and improvements
> >> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_7.html
> >> http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.7.app.zip
> >>
> >> Or simply use updater.
> >>
> >> Again, I would be happy for any feedback.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Manfred
> >
> >
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> Could you please add this feature from the old source, thanks in
> advance, and a requester window is a good idea.
>
> Yeah, looking forward to an expandable bible books and chapter index.
>
> Paging:
> When a chapter of a book is open the possibility to switch to the next
> chapter or book with a toolbar arrow or key shortcut ??
>
> One more thing:
> Can you please make the preview HUD be top of all application windows
> only but not top of all windows, i.e. it doesn't hide other frontmost
> application windows.
>
> Best regards,
> Hannes
>
>
> Am 18.02.2009 um 08:59 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>
> > Hi Hannes.
> >
> > Indexing is done on-the-fly for when background indexing is switched
> > off.
> > For example if you have an open bible and switch to "Index" search
> > type, type anything, the index is built automatically if it doesn't
> > exist.
> > That means that the first search takes longer.
> > But I will add a requester window that asks the user if he would like
> > to create an index instead of silently creating it so that he knows
> > why the search takes longer.
> >
> > Index list for bibles, hmm. Actually I wasn't sure about what
> > information to fill in the right sidebar for bibles.
> > But I think listing the bible books including chapters is quite a good
> > idea. :)
> >
> > Paging, what exactly do you want to see here? Do you have an example?
> >
> > Unfortunately I have used the subversion HEAD of the SWORD library
> > which obviously has some bugs.
> > I will switch back to the point release then whch does not have these
> > problems. Sorry for that.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Manfred
> >
> >
> > Am 17.02.2009 um 21:32 schrieb Hannes Brecka:
> >
> >> Hi Manfred!
> >> Thanks for this quick build and implementation of some new features.
> >>
> >> Appreciate the step to remove auto index by default but now I miss a
> >> way to index single modules, maybe you can add a menu item or a
> >> contextual list item to create an index for a single module.
> >>
> >> Do you know when you will be able to add the index list for bible
> >> modules in the right sidebar just like some of the books have ? or
> >> should this work already?
> >> And when do you intend to implement browsing through pages and
> >> chapters (and history)? I am very grateful and looking forward to see
> >> this.
> >>
> >> In Version 1.8.7 Reference search is obviously broken for me.
> >> "John 1" brings up Johannes 1 correctly but "Jakobus 1" (Jac 1) will
> >> display 1. Mose 1 and so do some other Reference searches ? other
> >> result in a blank window or display 1. Mose 1 (As far as I can see
> >> it's mostly New Testament books)
> >> It does work when I open the previous version 1.8.6, though.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Hannes
> >>
> >> Am 17.02.2009 um 12:09 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
> >>
> >>> Hi.
> >>>
> >>> New version release (1.8.7) with some fixes and improvements
> >>> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_7.html
> >>> http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.7.app.zip
> >>>
> >>> Or simply use updater.
> >>>
> >>> Again, I would be happy for any feedback.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Manfred
> >>
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Hi Hannes.

I've detected a serios bug and had to re-upload 1.8.8.
So if you downloaded before this email arrives you, please download  
again.

Version 1.8.7 used the svn head version of SWORD which as the lead  
developer told me had one or two serious issues which he fixed already.
Version 1.8.8 uses the fixed version so hopefully the indexing works  
again for you.

I've made some tests with modules and downloaded all available modules  
from CrossWire and had the background indexer go over them.
5 of all those modules caused the application to crash, these are:
Commentary:
- MHC
Dictionaries:
- ERru_en
- EReo_en
- ERtr_en
- ZhEnglish

All others worked here or at least could be indexed.

As for the crash log reporter, I'll look into that.
If you don't know, MacSword writes a log file which also helps me  
track down issues.
It is located in ~/Library/Logs/MacSword2.log

I've just synched the trunk of SourceForge's subversion repo.
MacSword 2 sources are under trunk, MacSword 1 sources are under  
branch 1.3/1.4.
If you can give me your sourceforge userid (private mail), I can give  
you read access.

Best regards,
Manfred

Am 19.02.2009 um 16:57 schrieb Hannes Brecka:

> Hallo Manfred!
>
> Thanks for your efforts again!
> Latest MacSword2 crashed on searching the index (does work with  
> other books and strings) so I thought I'll send you the crash report  
> which could be any help in your progress.
> I recently came across Smart Crash Reports from Unsanity Software: http://smartcrashreports.com/
> This could be useful in beta, maybe have a look at it to have it  
> sent the Crash Reports directly.
>
> I wanted to ask you if you could sync the source of MacSword 2 with  
> the svn (or cvs) at Sourceforge.net ? I would be grateful to trim  
> and experiment with the source and especially the UI here and there.
> As far I can see only the MacSword 1 Source of the Cocoa Version is  
> on the Repository: http://macsword.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/macsword/macsword/trunk/
> and the old Carbon Version: http://macsword.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/macsword/macsword/
> It would be great to have read access to the MacSword 2 repository  
> from within Xcode!
>
> Keep up your great work! :-)
>
> All the best and may God bless your project,
> Hannes

You keep me busy, Hannes. :)

That's good.
Thanks for your feedback and testing.

Please checkout the new version.
It has a book and chapter index for bibles and commentaries.
On-the-fly indexing should be fixed.
And there is history navigation for bibles/commentaries (for now). You  
probably need to change the toolbar and add the new component.
Also fixed the HUD.

Cheers,
Manfred

Am 19.02.2009 um 16:04 schrieb Hannes Brecka:

> Indexing on-the-fly isn't included anymore:
> <Bild 1.png>
>
> Could you please add this feature from the old source, thanks in  
> advance, and a requester window is a good idea.
>
> Yeah, looking forward to an expandable bible books and chapter index.
>
> Paging:
> When a chapter of a book is open the possibility to switch to the  
> next chapter or book with a toolbar arrow or key shortcut ⌘→
>
> One more thing:
> Can you please make the preview HUD be top of all application  
> windows only but not top of all windows, i.e. it doesn't hide other  
> frontmost application windows.
>
> Best regards,
> Hannes
>
>
> Am 18.02.2009 um 08:59 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>
>> Hi Hannes.
>>
>> Indexing is done on-the-fly for when background indexing is switched
>> off.
>> For example if you have an open bible and switch to "Index" search
>> type, type anything, the index is built automatically if it doesn't
>> exist.
>> That means that the first search takes longer.
>> But I will add a requester window that asks the user if he would like
>> to create an index instead of silently creating it so that he knows
>> why the search takes longer.
>>
>> Index list for bibles, hmm. Actually I wasn't sure about what
>> information to fill in the right sidebar for bibles.
>> But I think listing the bible books including chapters is quite a  
>> good
>> idea. :)
>>
>> Paging, what exactly do you want to see here? Do you have an example?
>>
>> Unfortunately I have used the subversion HEAD of the SWORD library
>> which obviously has some bugs.
>> I will switch back to the point release then whch does not have these
>> problems. Sorry for that.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manfred
>>
>>
>> Am 17.02.2009 um 21:32 schrieb Hannes Brecka:
>>
>>> Hi Manfred!
>>> Thanks for this quick build and implementation of some new features.
>>>
>>> Appreciate the step to remove auto index by default but now I miss a
>>> way to index single modules, maybe you can add a menu item or a
>>> contextual list item to create an index for a single module.
>>>
>>> Do you know when you will be able to add the index list for bible
>>> modules in the right sidebar just like some of the books have — or
>>> should this work already?
>>> And when do you intend to implement browsing through pages and
>>> chapters (and history)? I am very grateful and looking forward to  
>>> see
>>> this.
>>>
>>> In Version 1.8.7 Reference search is obviously broken for me.
>>> "John 1" brings up Johannes 1 correctly but "Jakobus 1" (Jac 1) will
>>> display 1. Mose 1 and so do some other Reference searches — other
>>> result in a blank window or display 1. Mose 1 (As far as I can see
>>> it's mostly New Testament books)
>>> It does work when I open the previous version 1.8.6, though.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Hannes
>>>
>>> Am 17.02.2009 um 12:09 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> New version release (1.8.7) with some fixes and improvements
>>>> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_7.html
>>>> http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.7.app.zip
>>>>
>>>> Or simply use updater.
>>>>
>>>> Again, I would be happy for any feedback.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Manfred
>>>
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Indexing on-the-fly isn't included anymore:

Hi Hannes.

Indexing is done on-the-fly for when background indexing is switched  
off.
For example if you have an open bible and switch to "Index" search  
type, type anything, the index is built automatically if it doesn't  
exist.
That means that the first search takes longer.
But I will add a requester window that asks the user if he would like  
to create an index instead of silently creating it so that he knows  
why the search takes longer.

Index list for bibles, hmm. Actually I wasn't sure about what  
information to fill in the right sidebar for bibles.
But I think listing the bible books including chapters is quite a good  
idea. :)

Paging, what exactly do you want to see here? Do you have an example?

Unfortunately I have used the subversion HEAD of the SWORD library  
which obviously has some bugs.
I will switch back to the point release then whch does not have these  
problems. Sorry for that.

Regards,
Manfred

Am 17.02.2009 um 21:32 schrieb Hannes Brecka:

> Hi Manfred!
> Thanks for this quick build and implementation of some new features.
>
> Appreciate the step to remove auto index by default but now I miss a
> way to index single modules, maybe you can add a menu item or a
> contextual list item to create an index for a single module.
>
> Do you know when you will be able to add the index list for bible
> modules in the right sidebar just like some of the books have — or
> should this work already?
> And when do you intend to implement browsing through pages and
> chapters (and history)? I am very grateful and looking forward to see
> this.
>
> In Version 1.8.7 Reference search is obviously broken for me.
> "John 1" brings up Johannes 1 correctly but "Jakobus 1" (Jac 1) will
> display 1. Mose 1 and so do some other Reference searches — other
> result in a blank window or display 1. Mose 1 (As far as I can see
> it's mostly New Testament books)
> It does work when I open the previous version 1.8.6, though.
>
> Best regards,
> Hannes
>
> Am 17.02.2009 um 12:09 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> New version release (1.8.7) with some fixes and improvements
>> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_7.html
>> http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.7.app.zip
>>
>> Or simply use updater.
>>
>> Again, I would be happy for any feedback.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manfred
>
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Hi Manfred!
Thanks for this quick build and implementation of some new features.

Appreciate the step to remove auto index by default but now I miss a  
way to index single modules, maybe you can add a menu item or a  
contextual list item to create an index for a single module.

Do you know when you will be able to add the index list for bible  
modules in the right sidebar just like some of the books have — or  
should this work already?
And when do you intend to implement browsing through pages and  
chapters (and history)? I am very grateful and looking forward to see  
this.

In Version 1.8.7 Reference search is obviously broken for me.
"John 1" brings up Johannes 1 correctly but "Jakobus 1" (Jac 1) will  
display 1. Mose 1 and so do some other Reference searches — other  
result in a blank window or display 1. Mose 1 (As far as I can see  
it's mostly New Testament books)
It does work when I open the previous version 1.8.6, though.

Best regards,
Hannes

Am 17.02.2009 um 12:09 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:

> Hi.
>
> New version release (1.8.7) with some fixes and improvements
> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_7.html
> http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.7.app.zip
>
> Or simply use updater.
>
> Again, I would be happy for any feedback.
>
>
> Regards,
> Manfred

Hi.

New version release (1.8.7) with some fixes and improvements
http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_7.html
http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.7.app.zip

Or simply use updater.

Again, I would be happy for any feedback.

Regards,
Manfred

Am 10.02.2009 um 08:39 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:

> Download location has changed to:
> http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.6.app.zip
>
>
> Manfred
>
>
> Am 01.02.2009 um 17:03 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>
>> New version available:
>>
>> http://macsword.com/download/MacSword-1.8.6.app.zip
>> Or update using the Updater.
>>
>> Following is changed:
>> - fixed localization problems.
>> - fixed problems with reference lookups that caused crashes.
>> - added context menus for bible and Commentary view for quick access
>> to Index and Dictionary entry look up.
>> - added check for Leopard Mac OS version.
>> - scrolling in Bibles synchronized now also to any open Commentaries
>> in the same view.
>>
>>
>> Manfred
>>
>>
>> Am 29.01.2009 um 09:38 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> Again an update.
>>> Please look here for changes:
>>> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_5.html
>>>
>>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.5.app.zip
>>>
>>> I appreciate reports of any errors, bug or other issues that might
>>> occur.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Manfred
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 14.01.2009 um 09:11 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> I've added a scope bar for search options. They are supposed to
>>>> change
>>>> according to the chosen search type (reference, index).
>>>> Currently only some available module display options can be set
>>>> (Strong's, Morphs, ...).
>>>> Also the bible references in the indexed search result are links
>>>> now.
>>>> Later it should be possible to click open them in a new pane.
>>>>
>>>> Vince, by default Strong's are not shown anymore but can be  
>>>> switched
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For anyone interested in testing and giving feedback:
>>>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.4.app.zip
>>>>
>>>> I found that the update checker doesn't work correctly. For any old
>>>> version it tells me that it is the current version which is not
>>>> right
>>>> actually.
>>>> Can anyone confirm this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Manfred
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Hey Hannes.

Thanks for your report.
This really helps a lot.
Sometimes I think like: am I on the right track here with this?
So feedback like your's is highly appreciated.

You are indeed right, indexing some modules means trouble. The quality  
of the modules sometimes varies but still MacSword should be able to  
index all of them.
I've already fixed a possible bug that I think caused one of the  
crashes you've sent the crash log.
The otherone is a little harder since it seemes you removed a modules  
using the module installer and in another thread the indexer wanted to  
index it.
So I need to add some synchronization here.

The background indexing has some advantages but also some disadvantages.
The advantage is you can search immidiately in all modules without  
waiting until the indexing is finished.
Also this can be used application wide because it garanties that the  
index is available.

On the other hand, when adding new modules, the indexing consumes a  
lot of CPU power. Some modules are indexed within seconds, others,  
with more information (like Strong's, morphs, ...) take longer.

I would indeed maybe switch this feature off by default. Because  
you'll never know if someone installed modules from a CD or even uses  
the CD for modules.
In that case all modules from the CD are indexed.

And you are right, when removing the module, the index should also be  
removed. I'll add this in the todo list.

Our Elberfelder and Luther modules do not contain Strong's any longer.  
I thought, too that the Lutrher had Strong's but it seems they  
disapeared.

Actually MacSword2 has a separate preferences file (in Library/ 
Preferences) but the modules are shared. I guess this is what you mean.

Indeed, I hope you'll report more. You input is very valuable.
I'll try to figure out why the columns are not stored in the module  
installer.
The next main target is the commentary editing feature.
After that and if hopefully some more bugs are fixed I would like to  
release a beta version to a wider public.

Best regards and God bles,
Manfred

Am 13.02.2009 um 16:47 schrieb Hannes Brecka:

> Hi Manfred!
>
> I've finally made the step from MacSword to MacSword 2 alpha for  
> some intense personal usage.
> I do really love the Leopard Cocoa UI very Mail/iTunes like all in  
> one window and the HUD for Strongs... ,
> been waiting for this, glad you are porting it now.
>
> First thing when migrating to the alpha was I had to begin from the  
> scratch because when I used my old preferences and installed Modules  
> it kept crashing.
> So now I tried figuring out what was causing this starting from a  
> blank installation.
> All was fine when I've installed some english, german Bible Texts  
> and Dictionaries, Strongs.
> But as soon I begin to add some Generic Books or other special  
> dictionaries via the Module Installer MacSword crashes — it's not  
> only one but several modules it doesn't like.
> Thus I now add one at a time when I need something and then check if  
> it will run or crash.
>
> I add a crash log for the incompatible modules:
> <MacSword_2009-02-13-161606_MacHBook.crash>
>
> <MacSword_2009-02-13-163913_MacHBook.crash>
>
>
> What I don't like is the way of Indexing ;-)
> Automatic indexing makes me think my Mac is gonna explode, after I  
> added some modules, cause both processors go up to the limit, fans  
> spin like wild but at least it doesn't hang nor crash.
> Further more the index clutters the hard disk extremely, i.e. after  
> some indexed books I end up with an index folder of about 500 MB  
> (whereas WebstersDic alone is 134 MB) - Yes I know, one can turn off  
> automatic indexing but I still find it useful but the intense  
> workload and index size are a big malus.
> Additionally removing index and cache has to be done manually (from  
> Application Support folder) — when I remove a module with the Module  
> Installer I would like the index to be removed too.
>
> Another thing is that the index on the right SideBar doesn't  
> (always) show up. When I open single Dictionaries I have the index  
> in the right side bar — btw. really like the live search and  
> narrowing! — but not on the workspace with my bible modules.
>
> Strongs for KJV do work but not for my german Elberfelder or Luther  
> - there are no strong numbers displayed. I had strongs at least with  
> the Luther module in MacSword 1. I have installed the same modules  
> via the Module Installer, but maybe those simply have no strongs  
> anymore.
>
> Not all the window preferences are stored — e.g. I like the  
> modification of the Module Installer columns (dragging one before  
> the other and size) but it's not "remembered" after a restart.
>
> I wished MacSword 2 alpha had a separate preference file so I could  
> run both MacSword and MacSword alpha but now of the issues described  
> in the beginning I am "forced" to run one so I chose to stick to the  
> alpha release with all it's limitations and unstableness (well it's  
> not that instable anymore) and remove the clog it produces on HD and  
> memory manually.
> I already enjoy this release of MacSword which gives me a very  
> valuable Sword Bible for my Mac. I'm so glad I have a (nearly) all  
> in one Bible study suite for my bible readings, studying and  
> preparation for services.
> I hope I can report some of my issues and bugs after some more usage.
>
> Manfred congrats for your work so far and thanks for your efforts!
>
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Hi Manfred!

I've finally made the step from MacSword to MacSword 2 alpha for some  
intense personal usage.
I do really love the Leopard Cocoa UI very Mail/iTunes like all in one  
window and the HUD for Strongs... ,
been waiting for this, glad you are porting it now.

First thing when migrating to the alpha was I had to begin from the  
scratch because when I used my old preferences and installed Modules  
it kept crashing.
So now I tried figuring out what was causing this starting from a  
blank installation.
All was fine when I've installed some english, german Bible Texts and  
Dictionaries, Strongs.
But as soon I begin to add some Generic Books or other special  
dictionaries via the Module Installer MacSword crashes — it's not only  
one but several modules it doesn't like.
Thus I now add one at a time when I need something and then check if  
it will run or crash.

I add a crash log for the incompatible modules:

Hi Erik.

Well, no text is displayed if you don't enter a reference.
Or maybe I didn't understand what you mean?
MacSword stores the session but as for the alpha version only in /tmp  
that means the session is removed after a reboot.

I think a AppleScript interface is not that difficult.
We have a Sword library wrapper in Objective-C in MacSword.
An AppleScript interface would be another wrapper to the Sword wrapper  
which exposes functions and methods to be used from AppleScript.
So you would need to learn Objective-C to do that, at least a little.
If you'd like to do that you can. I will help where I can.

Regards,
Manfred

Am 11.02.2009 um 10:36 schrieb Erik Smit:

> Hey Manfred,
>
> Why is the bible text not displayed anymore?
> Only after entering a search text, e.g. 'Matthew', the books of  
> 'Matthew' are displayed.
> I removed the preference file, removed the books, etc from the HD  
> and re-installed, but
> it still does not show any text in the window.
> What do I do wrong?
>
> Regarding my previous question about AppleScript. I have been  
> developing under Classic, using codewarrior,
> but I never dived into osx. Of course I could have a look at this  
> and help with integrating AppleScript.
>
> Erik
>
>
> On 10 feb 2009, at 10:39, mac...@li... 
>  wrote:
>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:03:46 +0000
>> From: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
>> Subject: Re: [Macsword-develop] new pre-alpha
>> To: mac...@li...
>> Message-ID: <528...@gm...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>> New version available:
>>
>> http://macsword.com/download/MacSword-1.8.6.app.zip
>> Or update using the Updater.
>>
>> Following is changed:
>> - fixed localization problems.
>> - fixed problems with reference lookups that caused crashes.
>> - added context menus for bible and Commentary view for quick access
>> to Index and Dictionary entry look up.
>> - added check for Leopard Mac OS version.
>> - scrolling in Bibles synchronized now also to any open Commentaries
>> in the same view.
>>
>>
>> Manfred
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Hey Manfred,

Why is the bible text not displayed anymore?
Only after entering a search text, e.g. 'Matthew', the books of  
'Matthew' are displayed.
I removed the preference file, removed the books, etc from the HD and  
re-installed, but
it still does not show any text in the window.
What do I do wrong?

Regarding my previous question about AppleScript. I have been  
developing under Classic, using codewarrior,
but I never dived into osx. Of course I could have a look at this and  
help with integrating AppleScript.

Erik

On 10 feb 2009, at 10:39, macsword-develop- 
re...@li... wrote:

> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:03:46 +0000
> From: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Macsword-develop] new pre-alpha
> To: mac...@li...
> Message-ID: <528...@gm...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> New version available:
>
> http://macsword.com/download/MacSword-1.8.6.app.zip
> Or update using the Updater.
>
> Following is changed:
> - fixed localization problems.
> - fixed problems with reference lookups that caused crashes.
> - added context menus for bible and Commentary view for quick access
> to Index and Dictionary entry look up.
> - added check for Leopard Mac OS version.
> - scrolling in Bibles synchronized now also to any open Commentaries
> in the same view.
>
>
> Manfred

Download location has changed to:
http://macsword.com/macsword2/download/MacSword-1.8.6.app.zip

Manfred

Am 01.02.2009 um 17:03 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:

> New version available:
>
> http://macsword.com/download/MacSword-1.8.6.app.zip
> Or update using the Updater.
>
> Following is changed:
> - fixed localization problems.
> - fixed problems with reference lookups that caused crashes.
> - added context menus for bible and Commentary view for quick access
> to Index and Dictionary entry look up.
> - added check for Leopard Mac OS version.
> - scrolling in Bibles synchronized now also to any open Commentaries
> in the same view.
>
>
> Manfred
>
>
> Am 29.01.2009 um 09:38 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Again an update.
>> Please look here for changes:
>> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_5.html
>>
>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.5.app.zip
>>
>> I appreciate reports of any errors, bug or other issues that might
>> occur.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manfred
>>
>>
>> Am 14.01.2009 um 09:11 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> I've added a scope bar for search options. They are supposed to
>>> change
>>> according to the chosen search type (reference, index).
>>> Currently only some available module display options can be set
>>> (Strong's, Morphs, ...).
>>> Also the bible references in the indexed search result are links  
>>> now.
>>> Later it should be possible to click open them in a new pane.
>>>
>>> Vince, by default Strong's are not shown anymore but can be switched
>>> on.
>>>
>>>
>>> For anyone interested in testing and giving feedback:
>>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.4.app.zip
>>>
>>> I found that the update checker doesn't work correctly. For any old
>>> version it tells me that it is the current version which is not  
>>> right
>>> actually.
>>> Can anyone confirm this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Manfred
>>>
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New version available:

http://macsword.com/download/MacSword-1.8.6.app.zip
Or update using the Updater.

Following is changed:
- fixed localization problems.
- fixed problems with reference lookups that caused crashes.
- added context menus for bible and Commentary view for quick access  
to Index and Dictionary entry look up.
- added check for Leopard Mac OS version.
- scrolling in Bibles synchronized now also to any open Commentaries  
in the same view.

Manfred

Am 29.01.2009 um 09:38 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:

> Hi.
>
> Again an update.
> Please look here for changes:
> http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_5.html
>
> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.5.app.zip
>
> I appreciate reports of any errors, bug or other issues that might
> occur.
>
>
> Regards,
> Manfred
>
>
> Am 14.01.2009 um 09:11 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I've added a scope bar for search options. They are supposed to  
>> change
>> according to the chosen search type (reference, index).
>> Currently only some available module display options can be set
>> (Strong's, Morphs, ...).
>> Also the bible references in the indexed search result are links now.
>> Later it should be possible to click open them in a new pane.
>>
>> Vince, by default Strong's are not shown anymore but can be switched
>> on.
>>
>>
>> For anyone interested in testing and giving feedback:
>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.4.app.zip
>>
>> I found that the update checker doesn't work correctly. For any old
>> version it tells me that it is the current version which is not right
>> actually.
>> Can anyone confirm this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manfred
>>
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Hi.

Again an update.
Please look here for changes:
http://macsword.com/changelog/1_8_5.html

http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.5.app.zip

I appreciate reports of any errors, bug or other issues that might  
occur.

Regards,
Manfred

Am 14.01.2009 um 09:11 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:

> Hi.
>
> I've added a scope bar for search options. They are supposed to change
> according to the chosen search type (reference, index).
> Currently only some available module display options can be set
> (Strong's, Morphs, ...).
> Also the bible references in the indexed search result are links now.
> Later it should be possible to click open them in a new pane.
>
> Vince, by default Strong's are not shown anymore but can be switched  
> on.
>
>
> For anyone interested in testing and giving feedback:
> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.4.app.zip
>
> I found that the update checker doesn't work correctly. For any old
> version it tells me that it is the current version which is not right
> actually.
> Can anyone confirm this?
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Manfred
>
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Hi Erik.

I wouldn't think an AppleScript interface to our Sword backend is very  
difficult to make.
The backend is actually also only an Objective-C wrapper to the C++  
Sword library functionality.

Must it be AppleScript? I've heard some people use Python or Ruby with  
SWIG to access the Sword library.
I must admit we other tasks with higher priority. You don't want to  
come and help with an AppleScript interface?

Regards,
Manfred

Am 21.01.2009 um 09:50 schrieb Erik Smit:

> Hallo Manfred,
>
> I have a Christian discussion group in a chat.
> Here I would like to make a script that can quote a bible text.
> I have a script for 'Word of Today' working for this group already.
>
> So, AppleScript should return the text when calling for a certain  
> translation, Book,  (range of) verse(s)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Erik Smit
>
>
> On 17 jan 2009, at 20:40, mac...@li... 
>  wrote:
>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:51:25 +0200
>> From: Erik Smit <es...@me...>
>> Subject: [Macsword-develop] AppleScript
>> To: mac...@li...
>> Message-ID: <DAB...@me...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I am developing using AppleScript and noticed that one of my most
>> favorite study-programs, MacSword is not scriptable.
>> Are there any plans in a coming version for AppleScript?
>>
>> Best regards from Finland,
>>
>> Erik Smit
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:40:23 +0000
>> From: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
>> Subject: Re: [Macsword-develop] AppleScript
>> To: mac...@li...
>> Message-ID: <783...@gm...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>> Hi Erik.
>>
>> Hmm, this is not planed. Though I wouldn't mind creating an
>> AppleScript interface for MacSword 2.
>>
>> What would you need it for?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manfred
>>
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Hallo Manfred,

I have a Christian discussion group in a chat.
Here I would like to make a script that can quote a bible text.
I have a script for 'Word of Today' working for this group already.

So, AppleScript should return the text when calling for a certain  
translation, Book,  (range of) verse(s)

Best Regards,

Erik Smit

On 17 jan 2009, at 20:40, macsword-develop- 
re...@li... wrote:

> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:51:25 +0200
> From: Erik Smit <es...@me...>
> Subject: [Macsword-develop] AppleScript
> To: mac...@li...
> Message-ID: <DAB...@me...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hey,
>
> I am developing using AppleScript and noticed that one of my most
> favorite study-programs, MacSword is not scriptable.
> Are there any plans in a coming version for AppleScript?
>
> Best regards from Finland,
>
> Erik Smit
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:40:23 +0000
> From: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Macsword-develop] AppleScript
> To: mac...@li...
> Message-ID: <783...@gm...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hi Erik.
>
> Hmm, this is not planed. Though I wouldn't mind creating an
> AppleScript interface for MacSword 2.
>
> What would you need it for?
>
>
> Regards,
> Manfred
>

Hallo Manfred,

I have a Christian discussion group in a chat.
Here I would like to make a script that can quote a bible text.
I have a script for 'Word of Today' working for this group already.

So, AppleScript should return the text when calling for a certain  
translation, Book,  (range of) verse(s)

Best Regards,

Erik Smit

On 17 jan 2009, at 20:40, macsword-develop- 
re...@li... wrote:

> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:51:25 +0200
> From: Erik Smit <es...@me...>
> Subject: [Macsword-develop] AppleScript
> To: mac...@li...
> Message-ID: <DAB...@me...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hey,
>
> I am developing using AppleScript and noticed that one of my most
> favorite study-programs, MacSword is not scriptable.
> Are there any plans in a coming version for AppleScript?
>
> Best regards from Finland,
>
> Erik Smit
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:40:23 +0000
> From: Manfred Bergmann <man...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Macsword-develop] AppleScript
> To: mac...@li...
> Message-ID: <783...@gm...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hi Erik.
>
> Hmm, this is not planed. Though I wouldn't mind creating an
> AppleScript interface for MacSword 2.
>
> What would you need it for?
>
>
> Regards,
> Manfred
>

The highlighting/tagging feature I have in mind would allow you to select a
color-coded topic and then use that to highlight a portion of text. I know
this hasn't been a feature, but it would be nice, since I have pretty much
swapped my physical bible for macsword.

I would like be able to use separate colors to highlight favorite verses,
certain topics like eschatology, promises from God, etc., and then maybe
even be able to pull all of a certain topic up, like a bookmark.

Does that make sense? Is that a possible new feature?

And one more request, if I may... to be able to change the format of the
Macsword Lookup, so I can maybe remove the parenthesis?
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View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Pre-release-Alpha--tp21400637p21523329.html
Sent from the MacSword-Develop mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Yes, paragraph view will come next.

How or what would like to have highlighted.
But that'll come, too.

Manfred

Am 17.01.2009 um 20:42 schrieb undercoverdave:

>
> Is there a paragraph view? I don't enjoy verse on line... Also, I'd  
> like to
> see a highlighter feature, any chance on seeing that in 2.0? I do  
> like the
> improvements!
>
>
> Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>
>> Vince.
>>
>> I've updated with another build of 1.8.3:
>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.3.app.zip
>> Anything else goes into 1.8.4 then.
>>
>> It fixes the right sidebar which didn't show up immidiately for
>> genbooks and dictionaries.
>> Also the bible view shows any commentary modules when added to it.
>>
>> There might be a performance issue when pulling out a whole (or more)
>> bible book that additionally is tagged with Strong's.
>> So for KJV for example if you pull out the whole book Genesis it  
>> might
>> take ten seconds, indeed.
>> The advice would be to only display chapters not complete books.
>>
>> I've planed to add an options pane right below the toolbar where
>> things like Strong's, Verses-on-one-line, Cross-Refs, Footnotes and
>> such can be enabled or disabled. Then you can disable showing  
>> Strong's
>> in KJV.
>> I think I can do this until the end of the week or on the next  
>> weekend.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manfred
>>
>>
>> Am 11.01.2009 um 14:48 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>
>>> Manfred,
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to join the mailing list, and feel free to put anything
>>> on there that you want. I'm anxious to get MacSword 2 into a more
>>> usable state, so anything I can help with I will.
>>>
>>> Searching a Bible reference didn't cause a crash this time; it just
>>> pinwheeled the app for ten seconds or so. As far as the crash logs,
>>> you're correct, and yes the module installer works.
>>>
>>> Any idea when the KJB without Strongs might be implemented?
>>>
>>> Vince
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Vince.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this.
>>>> May I invite you to join the MacSword developer mailing list?
>>>> And do you allow me to forward our conversation to the mailing  
>>>> list?
>>>> Maybe others will join.
>>>>
>>>> There is AFAIK no KJV without Strong's. Normally you can switch
>>>> showing Strong's on/off in the application.
>>>> This is just not yet implemented here.
>>>>
>>>> This time I couldn't see that the application was crashing while
>>>> entering a bible reference, right?
>>>> One crashlog was while searching the index, the other while
>>>> switching a module?
>>>> Did the module installer work now?
>>>>
>>>> You are right, new modules do not yet get recognized my open panes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Manfred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 10.01.2009 um 23:33 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>
>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any way to get a KJV text without the Strongs info?
>>>>> I also noticed that the Module drop-down list doesn't refresh
>>>>> after installing new modules; you have to open a new window/pane
>>>>> for the new modules to show.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm enclosing the crash logs and the Library log; let me know if
>>>>> you need anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vince
>>>>>
>>>>> <MacSword Info.zip>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Vince, another request for you. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The version you've got logs only warnings and errors. I've
>>>>>> changed that so it also logs debug messages which help me to see
>>>>>> what's happening.
>>>>>> If you could just download this:
>>>>>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.3.app.zip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>> Please try to refresh the install source with module installer
>>>>>> and also try to search for references in some modules.
>>>>>> Then again please send me the logs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 08.01.2009 um 14:44 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the log; let me know if there's anything else I can give
>>>>>>> you a hand with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <MacSword2.log>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Vince.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, yes. It is a preview window that shows Strong's,
>>>>>>>> footnotes and such while moving the curser over the link in the
>>>>>>>> bible text.
>>>>>>>> You can hide it in the menu.
>>>>>>>> Could you please check  ~/Library/Logs/MacSword2.log and send
>>>>>>>> me that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 08.01.2009 um 13:30 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did try the app from that link right after I sent that
>>>>>>>>> reply; search works under the "Index" tab. One thing I've
>>>>>>>>> noticed is that when the app first starts up, it has a Quick
>>>>>>>>> Look-like "Preview" pane (included below) on top of the app.
>>>>>>>>> Is this supposed to be there?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It did crash when I tried searching for a word in the
>>>>>>>>> "Reference" tab though; I'll include the crash log for that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <MacSword Crash.zip>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 7:08 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Vince.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The site is empty. I just use to make file available for
>>>>>>>>>> download.
>>>>>>>>>> I'll see to enable directory browsing on this site.
>>>>>>>>>> But for now just use the link. Same link as last time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 08.01.2009 um 11:59 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How do I access the new version? Do you just change the
>>>>>>>>>>> version point each time? I can't seem to access the
>>>>>>>>>>> www.starbase22.net
>>>>>>>>>>> site directly, only by the link you sent me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 3:53 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've uploaded a new build, can you please try it and see
>>>>>>>>>>>> whether is still crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 06.01.2009 um 21:14 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure thing, send me a new version whenever you make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes to it. Just send me a link and if I'm in OS X (I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed Vista via Boot Camp so sometimes I'm not "here")
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll give it a shot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm, yeah.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It helps but I don't really understand it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems the Sword library crashes while retrieving a bible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It works here on both of my Leopard systems (Intel and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PPC) so hard to say what causes this crash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try to build the library differently, maybe this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I send you another version for trying?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 06.01.2009 um 20:10 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I played around with it a little; I can't get it to load
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any modules, though it says they're there. It also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot seem to get online; it tries to get through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Safari or something (-verbose) but cannot contact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CrossWire. I hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <MacSword Crash.zip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current build is here for you ro download:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.3.app.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have again a segmentation fault it would help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much if you could get a crash log and send it to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.01.2009 um 17:17 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can give it a shot; I'm not terribly familiar with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building apps, but I have done it some in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a guide or step-by-step instructions. I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know any code, so I'd be useless in that area, but as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far as building and testing I can be helpful perhaps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Vince.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, all sources are subversion controlled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There have been many updates already to the version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've sent you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you want to build yourself?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 02.01.2009 um 02:12 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I haven't gotten around to doing anything with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacSword yet. I just tried launching it with a -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verbose option and I got a readout of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Segmentation fault" and I haven't been able to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it running at all. Are you using subversion so I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay up to date?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Vince.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be very happy if you could help in testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attached is a test version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacSword 2 will only work on Leopard systems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It still has many issues. A blocker issue currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that the indexed find doesn't work due to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strange problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just play around a little first and see what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please backup your bookmarks file first. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacSword 2 will change the format if it finds a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bookmarks file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <MacSword.app.zip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 14.12.2008 um 15:32 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My name is Vince LaRue; I'm a MacSword (and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accordance, unfortunately) user who is interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in helping with at least testing MacSword; is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there any way I could get access to the alpha yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm familiar with alpha/beta testing pre-release
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software, and being an active church member,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher and Bible forum frequenter, I use Bible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs a lot. If there's any way I could get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alpha and help by providing feedback, I would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince LaRue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.Psalm117.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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Is there a paragraph view? I don't enjoy verse on line... Also, I'd like to
see a highlighter feature, any chance on seeing that in 2.0? I do like the
improvements!

Manfred Bergmann wrote:
> 
> Vince.
> 
> I've updated with another build of 1.8.3:
> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.3.app.zip
> Anything else goes into 1.8.4 then.
> 
> It fixes the right sidebar which didn't show up immidiately for  
> genbooks and dictionaries.
> Also the bible view shows any commentary modules when added to it.
> 
> There might be a performance issue when pulling out a whole (or more)  
> bible book that additionally is tagged with Strong's.
> So for KJV for example if you pull out the whole book Genesis it might  
> take ten seconds, indeed.
> The advice would be to only display chapters not complete books.
> 
> I've planed to add an options pane right below the toolbar where  
> things like Strong's, Verses-on-one-line, Cross-Refs, Footnotes and  
> such can be enabled or disabled. Then you can disable showing Strong's  
> in KJV.
> I think I can do this until the end of the week or on the next weekend.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Manfred
> 
> 
> Am 11.01.2009 um 14:48 schrieb Vince LaRue:
> 
>> Manfred,
>>
>> I'd be happy to join the mailing list, and feel free to put anything  
>> on there that you want. I'm anxious to get MacSword 2 into a more  
>> usable state, so anything I can help with I will.
>>
>> Searching a Bible reference didn't cause a crash this time; it just  
>> pinwheeled the app for ten seconds or so. As far as the crash logs,  
>> you're correct, and yes the module installer works.
>>
>> Any idea when the KJB without Strongs might be implemented?
>>
>> Vince
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Vince.
>>>
>>> Thanks for this.
>>> May I invite you to join the MacSword developer mailing list?
>>> And do you allow me to forward our conversation to the mailing list?
>>> Maybe others will join.
>>>
>>> There is AFAIK no KJV without Strong's. Normally you can switch  
>>> showing Strong's on/off in the application.
>>> This is just not yet implemented here.
>>>
>>> This time I couldn't see that the application was crashing while  
>>> entering a bible reference, right?
>>> One crashlog was while searching the index, the other while  
>>> switching a module?
>>> Did the module installer work now?
>>>
>>> You are right, new modules do not yet get recognized my open panes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Manfred
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 10.01.2009 um 23:33 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>
>>>> Manfred,
>>>>
>>>> Is there any way to get a KJV text without the Strongs info?
>>>> I also noticed that the Module drop-down list doesn't refresh  
>>>> after installing new modules; you have to open a new window/pane  
>>>> for the new modules to show.
>>>>
>>>> I'm enclosing the crash logs and the Library log; let me know if  
>>>> you need anything else.
>>>>
>>>> Vince
>>>>
>>>> <MacSword Info.zip>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Vince, another request for you. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> The version you've got logs only warnings and errors. I've  
>>>>> changed that so it also logs debug messages which help me to see  
>>>>> what's happening.
>>>>> If you could just download this:
>>>>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.3.app.zip
>>>>>
>>>>> again.
>>>>> Please try to refresh the install source with module installer  
>>>>> and also try to search for references in some modules.
>>>>> Then again please send me the logs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 08.01.2009 um 14:44 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the log; let me know if there's anything else I can give  
>>>>>> you a hand with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <MacSword2.log>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Vince.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, yes. It is a preview window that shows Strong's,  
>>>>>>> footnotes and such while moving the curser over the link in the  
>>>>>>> bible text.
>>>>>>> You can hide it in the menu.
>>>>>>> Could you please check  ~/Library/Logs/MacSword2.log and send  
>>>>>>> me that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 08.01.2009 um 13:30 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Manfred,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did try the app from that link right after I sent that  
>>>>>>>> reply; search works under the "Index" tab. One thing I've  
>>>>>>>> noticed is that when the app first starts up, it has a Quick  
>>>>>>>> Look-like "Preview" pane (included below) on top of the app.  
>>>>>>>> Is this supposed to be there?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It did crash when I tried searching for a word in the  
>>>>>>>> "Reference" tab though; I'll include the crash log for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <MacSword Crash.zip>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 7:08 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Vince.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The site is empty. I just use to make file available for  
>>>>>>>>> download.
>>>>>>>>> I'll see to enable directory browsing on this site.
>>>>>>>>> But for now just use the link. Same link as last time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 08.01.2009 um 11:59 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How do I access the new version? Do you just change the  
>>>>>>>>>> version point each time? I can't seem to access the
>>>>>>>>>> www.starbase22.net 
>>>>>>>>>>  site directly, only by the link you sent me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 3:53 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vince.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've uploaded a new build, can you please try it and see  
>>>>>>>>>>> whether is still crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 06.01.2009 um 21:14 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure thing, send me a new version whenever you make  
>>>>>>>>>>>> changes to it. Just send me a link and if I'm in OS X (I  
>>>>>>>>>>>> installed Vista via Boot Camp so sometimes I'm not "here")  
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll give it a shot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm, yeah.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It helps but I don't really understand it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems the Sword library crashes while retrieving a bible  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> text.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It works here on both of my Leopard systems (Intel and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PPC) so hard to say what causes this crash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try to build the library differently, maybe this  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I send you another version for trying?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 06.01.2009 um 20:10 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I played around with it a little; I can't get it to load  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any modules, though it says they're there. It also  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot seem to get online; it tries to get through  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Safari or something (-verbose) but cannot contact  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CrossWire. I hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <MacSword Crash.zip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current build is here for you ro download:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.starbase22.net/MacSword-1.8.3.app.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have again a segmentation fault it would help  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much if you could get a crash log and send it to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.01.2009 um 17:17 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can give it a shot; I'm not terribly familiar with  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building apps, but I have done it some in the past  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a guide or step-by-step instructions. I don't  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know any code, so I'd be useless in that area, but as  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far as building and testing I can be helpful perhaps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Vince.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, all sources are subversion controlled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There have been many updates already to the version  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've sent you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you want to build yourself?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 02.01.2009 um 02:12 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I haven't gotten around to doing anything with  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacSword yet. I just tried launching it with a - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verbose option and I got a readout of a  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Segmentation fault" and I haven't been able to get  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it running at all. Are you using subversion so I can  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay up to date?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Vince.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be very happy if you could help in testing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attached is a test version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacSword 2 will only work on Leopard systems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It still has many issues. A blocker issue currently  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that the indexed find doesn't work due to a  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strange problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just play around a little first and see what you  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please backup your bookmarks file first. I think  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacSword 2 will change the format if it finds a  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bookmarks file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <MacSword.app.zip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 14.12.2008 um 15:32 schrieb Vince LaRue:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My name is Vince LaRue; I'm a MacSword (and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accordance, unfortunately) user who is interested  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in helping with at least testing MacSword; is  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there any way I could get access to the alpha yet?  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm familiar with alpha/beta testing pre-release  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software, and being an active church member,  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher and Bible forum frequenter, I use Bible  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs a lot. If there's any way I could get the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alpha and help by providing feedback, I would be  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince LaRue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.Psalm117.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Hi Erik.

Hmm, this is not planed. Though I wouldn't mind creating an  
AppleScript interface for MacSword 2.

What would you need it for?

Regards,
Manfred

Am 17.01.2009 um 17:51 schrieb Erik Smit:

> Hey,
>
> I am developing using AppleScript and noticed that one of my most
> favorite study-programs, MacSword is not scriptable.
> Are there any plans in a coming version for AppleScript?
>
> Best regards from Finland,
>
> Erik Smit
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