mac-emacs-users

Re: [Mac-emacs-users] Possible FAQ: '\n' vs. '\r' in 21.1 for OS X

[Piet v. O. <pi...@cs...>]

>>>>> "Per Reedtz Thomsen" <pth...@re...> (PRT) writes:

PRT> Hi,
PRT> I'm new to this list, and pardon me if this has already been discussed. I
PRT> couldn't find any information about this in the archives...

PRT> I must be missing something obvious, but I'm having problems with the
PRT> files written by emacs 21.1 for OS X.

PRT> Since OS X is a Unix-like system, I would really like to have the files I
PRT> create with emacs do newlines like Unix does it: with a '\n'.

PRT> I've been looking through the documentation, and I can't seem to find
PRT> anything that documents how I can make emacs write the '\n' instead of the
PRT> '\r'.
PRT> Help! I'm so close to being able to use my favorite editor, but to
PRT> constantly convert '\r' to '\n' is getting frustrating.

C-x RET f unix RET
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Re: [Mac-emacs-users] Possible FAQ: '\n' vs. '\r' in 21.1 for OS X

[Andrew C. <ak...@sh...>]

> Hi,
> I'm new to this list, and pardon me if this has already been
> discussed. I couldn't find any information about this in the
> archives...
> 
> I must be missing something obvious, but I'm having problems with
> the files written by emacs 21.1 for OS X.
> 
> Since OS X is a Unix-like system, I would really like to have the
> files I create with emacs do newlines like Unix does it: with a
> '\n'.
> 
> I've been looking through the documentation, and I can't seem to
> find anything that documents how I can make emacs write the '\n'
> instead of the '\r'.
>
> Help! I'm so close to being able to use my favorite editor, but to
> constantly convert '\r' to '\n' is getting frustrating.
> 
> Running the emacs that comes with OS X (the one that only runs in a
> terminal) generates files with '\n', but the 21.1 version generates
> '\r's...
> 
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Per

Hi Per,

End-of-line styles are documented in the `Coding System' section of
the manual.

Basically if you haven't changed its settings, files created by Emacs
*will* use Unix style end-of-lines.  Also Emacs will automatically
preserve the end-of-line styles of existing files when it is used to
edit them.

To change from one end-of-line style to another, after visiting the
file, type `C-x RET f', then `undecided-unix', `undecided-mac', or
`undecided-dos', then save the file.

Andrew.

[Mac-emacs-users] Possible FAQ: '\n' vs. '\r' in 21.1 for OS X

[Per R. T. <pth...@re...>]

Hi,
I'm new to this list, and pardon me if this has already been discussed. I
couldn't find any information about this in the archives...

I must be missing something obvious, but I'm having problems with the files
written by emacs 21.1 for OS X.

Since OS X is a Unix-like system, I would really like to have the files I
create with emacs do newlines like Unix does it: with a '\n'.

I've been looking through the documentation, and I can't seem to find
anything that documents how I can make emacs write the '\n' instead of the
'\r'.
Help! I'm so close to being able to use my favorite editor, but to
constantly convert '\r' to '\n' is getting frustrating.

Running the emacs that comes with OS X (the one that only runs in a
terminal) generates files with '\n', but the 21.1 version generates '\r's...

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Per
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Re: [Mac-emacs-users] Problem with ange-ftp

[Piet v. O. <pi...@cs...>]

I have applied the patch to get ange-ftp working (enable #define HAVE_PTYS
in src/s/darwin.h) but now I experience loss of process output, especially
with AUCTEX. I do have the rest of the corresponding patches applied, i.e
in process.c the line FD_CLR (0, &Atemp); is added.

With the #define HAVE_PTYS commented out and all other things the same I
don't have the loss of output. 
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Re: [Mac-emacs-users] Swedish keyboard and emacs?

[Andrew C. <ak...@sh...>]

> Hi!
>=20
> I have downloaded emacs-21.1 from Apple's site at=20
> http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/development_tools/emacs.html.=
 Is=20
> there any difference between that distribution and the project conn=
ected to=20
> this mailing list?
>=20
> With the mentioned distribution, I can't type Swedish characters in=
 emacs.=20
> Anyone who knows if and how I can get emacs to understand a Swedish=
=20
> keyboard (specifically the characters `=E5', `=E4' & `=F6')? I've t=
ried the most=20
> obvious ways (I think), but emacs just beeps when typing an `=E5'. =
:(
>=20
> Regards,
> Palle

Hi Palle,

The link you gave leads to David's page

  http://www.porkrind.org/emacs/

As the description there says, it's a *binary* distribution of my por=
t
of Emacs 21 to Mac OS X.

I used to use the project page at http://mac-emacs.sourceforge.net/
for supporting my port of Emacs 21 to Mac OS Classic (and previously
Emacs 20).  There is also a link to my source patch to compile Emacs
21 on Mac OS X.  Questions concerning the Mac OS X port have been
posted and answered on the mailing list there as well (please check
the archives).  Eventually I'll merge the Mac OS X code with the main
Emacs distribution so a separate site for the Mac port is unnecessary=
.

To use iso-8859-1 characters, please read the Mac OS section of the
online manual (C-h i).  Also see messages posted earlier to the
mailing lists regarding the Lisp variable mac-keyboard-text-encoding.

Andrew.

[Mac-emacs-users] Swedish keyboard and emacs?

[Palle G. <gi...@pa...>]

Hi!

I have downloaded emacs-21.1 from Apple's site at=20
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/development_tools/emacs.html. Is=20
there any difference between that distribution and the project connected to =

this mailing list?

With the mentioned distribution, I can't type Swedish characters in emacs.=20
Anyone who knows if and how I can get emacs to understand a Swedish=20
keyboard (specifically the characters `=E5', `=E4' & `=F6')? I've tried the =
most=20
obvious ways (I think), but emacs just beeps when typing an `=E5'. :(

Regards,
Palle

Re: [Mac-emacs-users] Mac OSX patches

[Piet v. O. <pi...@cs...>]

>>>>> Andrew Choi <ak...@sh...> (AC) writes:

>> I would like to try the current CVS emacs on Mac OSX. Especially since it
>> has many updates concerning character encodings (Mac-Roman, ISO-8859-15
>> etc).
>> However the patch that Andrew supplied is not applicable to the CVS
>> version. Especially since they contain diffs for the configure files etc. 
>> Are there diffs that only apply to the sources, i.e. a minimal set of
>> patches that could be merged in the CVS sources?

AC> Hi Piet,

AC> I'm currently working on that.  There have been many changes since
AC> version 21.1, so a few problems show up after the patches are applied
AC> to the current code in the CVS.

AC> Once I fix these problems, I'll try to merge the changes into the CVS
AC> so the latest version that runs on Mac OS X will be generally
AC> available.  Unfortunately I can only work on this maybe a day or two
AC> per week now.

Thanks.

If I can help, just let me know.

I have a few bugs to report, although I can't give a detailed account
of what is wrong:

Emacs hangs quite often. The only recourse then is to kill it (e.g. with
Force quit). An example of when this happens:

1. I had (setq-default TeX-master nil) which causes auctex to always prompt
   for a master file when you open a new .tex file. At that moment it hang
   (always). It took me some time to find that I had to diable that
   statement to let me open new TeX files without getting the hang. It
   seems to hang in a select in readline... (one of the C functions)

2. Debugging elisp with edebug-defun: Sooner or later emacs will complain
   that x-selection-exists-p is undefined. It is disabled in the source and
   enabling it just makes emacs hang immediately. When I define it with a
   dummy (just returning nil) emacs hangs almost immediately, namely at the
   first time it prompts you. This thing makes debugging elisp code
   extremely difficult. Apparently there is something wrong in the input
   handling. 

Good luck an be assured of my thankfulness for your porting emacs. Without
your port I wouldn't have bought an iBook, so Apple should also be grateful
for your efforts.
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Re: [Mac-emacs-users] Mac OSX patches

[Andrew C. <ak...@sh...>]

> I would like to try the current CVS emacs on Mac OSX. Especially since it
> has many updates concerning character encodings (Mac-Roman, ISO-8859-15
> etc).
> However the patch that Andrew supplied is not applicable to the CVS
> version. Especially since they contain diffs for the configure files etc. 
> Are there diffs that only apply to the sources, i.e. a minimal set of
> patches that could be merged in the CVS sources?

Hi Piet,

I'm currently working on that.  There have been many changes since
version 21.1, so a few problems show up after the patches are applied
to the current code in the CVS.

Once I fix these problems, I'll try to merge the changes into the CVS
so the latest version that runs on Mac OS X will be generally
available.  Unfortunately I can only work on this maybe a day or two
per week now.

Andrew.

[Mac-emacs-users] Mac OSX patches

[Piet v. O. <pi...@cs...>]

I would like to try the current CVS emacs on Mac OSX. Especially since it
has many updates concerning character encodings (Mac-Roman, ISO-8859-15
etc).
However the patch that Andrew supplied is not applicable to the CVS
version. Especially since they contain diffs for the configure files etc. 
Are there diffs that only apply to the sources, i.e. a minimal set of
patches that could be merged in the CVS sources?
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Re: [Mac-emacs-users] Problem with ange-ftp

[Piet v. O. <pi...@cs...>]

>>>>> Andrew Choi <ak...@sh...> (AC) writes:

AC> Hi Gil and Piet,
AC> Thank you for the bug report and response.  I believe the problem is
AC> in fact caused by my patch

AC>   http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=257781&forum_id=5272

AC> because it prevents Emacs from using PTY's, which seem to be required
AC> by ange-ftp (see comments in ange-ftp.el).  So if one goes in
AC> s/darwin.h and changes

AC>   /* #define HAVE_PTYS */

AC> to

AC>   #define HAVE_PTYS
  
AC> ange-ftp will work again.  I remember that I needed to disable PTY's
AC> because the implementation on Mac OS X seemed to be losing characters
AC> because of an apparently 1024-character fixed size buffer.  I don't
AC> know whether the problem has been fixed or not but now I can't seem to
AC> find a way to demonstrate this.

AC> My suggestion is to keep PTY's on now and see if anything breaks.
AC> Also see comments in ange-ftp.el for a suggestion for a different fix
AC> using a gateway.

Thanks, it works.
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Re: [Mac-emacs-users] Problem with ange-ftp

[Andrew C. <ak...@sh...>]

Hi Gil and Piet,

Thank you for the bug report and response.  I believe the problem is
in fact caused by my patch

  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=257781&forum_id=5272

because it prevents Emacs from using PTY's, which seem to be required
by ange-ftp (see comments in ange-ftp.el).  So if one goes in
s/darwin.h and changes

  /* #define HAVE_PTYS */

to

  #define HAVE_PTYS
  
ange-ftp will work again.  I remember that I needed to disable PTY's
because the implementation on Mac OS X seemed to be losing characters
because of an apparently 1024-character fixed size buffer.  I don't
know whether the problem has been fixed or not but now I can't seem to
find a way to demonstrate this.

My suggestion is to keep PTY's on now and see if anything breaks.
Also see comments in ange-ftp.el for a suggestion for a different fix
using a gateway.

Andrew.

Re: [Mac-emacs-users] Problem with ange-ftp

[Gilbert H. <ha...@Pr...>]

Did you apply Andrew's patches?  My patched version runs ange-ftp fine.

 Gil

Here's from Andrew's earlier message:

> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=257777&forum_id=5272
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=257780&forum_id=5272
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=257781&forum_id=5272
> 
> For now please apply these yourself.  The last one is especially
> important if you use subprocesses (like ispell).

[Mac-emacs-users] Problem with ange-ftp

[Piet v. O. <pi...@cs...>]

I can't get ange-ftp working on the OSX version of emacs 21.1.30.
When I open with e.g. C-x d ftp.gnu.org:/gnu/emacs
it just hangs. I can see the ftp process with ps in a terminal:
6686  ??  S      0:00.00 /usr/bin/ftp -i -n -g -v
but I have to kill it to get out of the hang.
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[Mac-emacs-users] viper-mode and more key defs

[Rodney S. <rsp...@mc...>]

mac-emacs-user:

To get viper-mode to work you need to comment out lines 96 and 97 of 
viper-util.el and do a
make bootstrap and make install.

I was having trouble with C-home and C-end.  Part of this might have to do 
with my using a
PowerBook.  But, you have to press Ctrl before fn in the fn-home/fn-end 
combination, i.e. if you
are holding down fn before Ctrl, even if you aren't also pressing home or 
end, it won't work.  And
you may need to put the following in ~/.emacs:

(global-set-key [C-kp-home] 'beginning-of-buffer-nomark) ; C-home
(global-set-key [C-kp-end]  'end-of-buffer-nomark)       ; C-end

If you installed the command modifier patch, then you might also be 
interested in these:

(global-set-key [?\A-q] 'save-buffers-kill-emacs)        ; command-q (quit)
(global-set-key [?\A-a] 'mark-whole-buffer)              ; command-a 
(select all)

Rodney

Re: [Mac-emacs-users] all patches in one place?

[Andrew C. <ak...@sh...>]

> > I've just moved to a new environment ...
> 
> In Canada, I see.  At least from your new email address.  Which part
> of Canada?  I have relatives in Toronto and Welland, Ontario.

Calgary, Alberta, actually.  Came to Banff for a conference in '95 and
fell in love with this area.  I guess this person from the Subtropics
(I grew up and lived most of my life in Hong Kong) wants to experience
*real* winter :-).

Re: [Mac-emacs-users] all patches in one place?

[<seg...@ma...>]

On Thursday, February 14, 2002, at 05:23 , Andrew Choi wrote:

> I've just moved to a new environment ...

In Canada, I see.  At least from your new email address.  Which
part of Canada?  I have relatives in Toronto and Welland, Ontario.

> Earlier, I have posted three simple patches for the Mac OS X patch:
>
>   
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=257777&forum_id=5272
>   
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=257780&forum_id=5272
>   
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=257781&forum_id=5272

Thanks!

Regards,
Dan

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Re: [Mac-emacs-users] [Paul at tesseract.org: Emacs for OS X, command-line open]

[<seg...@ma...>]

On Thursday, February 14, 2002, at 11:48 , Andrew Choi wrote:

> Here's a tip I received from R. Paul Wiegand showing how one can pass
> command line options to Emacs:

[ snip ]

Check out emacsclient, and the emacs lisp function start-server (and
its associated parameters).

Hope This Helps,
Dan

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Re: [Mac-emacs-users] all patches in one place?

[Andrew C. <ak...@sh...>]

Hi Dan,

I've just moved to a new environment and it will take a little while
to get set up and going again.  I will probably have a bit more time
to work on Emacs in a few weeks.  I'll try to get my acts together and
post a new patch, or better yet integrate the code into the CVS at
savannah.gnu.org so people can access it directly.

Earlier, I have posted three simple patches for the Mac OS X patch:

  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=257777&forum_id=5272
  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=257780&forum_id=5272
  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=257781&forum_id=5272

For now please apply these yourself.  The last one is especially
important if you use subprocesses (like ispell).

Andrew.

[Mac-emacs-users] [Paul at tesseract.org: Emacs for OS X, command-line open]

[Andrew C. <ak...@sh...>]

Here's a tip I received from R. Paul Wiegand showing how one can pass
command line options to Emacs:

-----
You will need to do two things:
   1.)  Create a script file which you will use to launch emacs at the
        command line (say:  em).  Obviously make sure it is in path...
   2.)  Add a few lines to your .emacs files.

The script I use is:

   #!/bin/tcsh

   # Set env vars to load in .emacs
   setenv EMACS_LOAD_PATH `pwd`
   setenv EMACS_LOAD_FILENAME $1

   # Supply the correct path to your Emacs.app directory (by default
   # it is in the <build>/mac directory
   open -a /Applications/Document\ Tools/Emacs.app/


The lines I've added to my .emacs file are:

   ;; Pick up env vars from script
   (setq rpw-emacs-load-path (getenv "EMACS_LOAD_PATH"))
   (setq rpw-emacs-load-filename (getenv "EMACS_LOAD_FILENAME"))

   ;; Check if vars exist, or (for filename) were blank
   (cond
     (rpw-emacs-load-path (cd rpw-emacs-load-path)))

   (cond
     (rpw-emacs-load-filename
       (cond
         ( (not (equal rpw-emacs-load-filename ""))
           (find-file rpw-emacs-load-filename)))))


Now I can do the following from the command line:

   % cd ~/
   % em .emacs

and it will load my .emacs file (or whatever file I specify).  If I 
specify no command line option, emacs opens, as usual but the working 
directory is the current directory where I launched it.  If I 
double-click on the icon, it launches as it would otherwise.

[Mac-emacs-users] all patches in one place?

[<seg...@ma...>]

Hi,

Are all the mac-emacs patches collected somewhere in one place?

Obviously, I have emacs-21.1-2-mac.patch.gz from
http://www.cse.cuhk.edu.hk/~akochoi/emacs/macosx/, and I have
Tsutomu Ikegami's patch from Andrew's most recent posting , but
ISTR at least one or two earlier patches.

And one of these days, I'll be clever enough to save originals
instead of just patching my only source tree....  ;)

Thanks,
Dan

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Re: [Mac-emacs-users] Newbie question - mouse emulation

[Andrew C. <ak...@sh...>]

> Hi all,
> 	I looked around the docs, but I couldn't even find a reference.
> How does one emulate the middle and right mouse buttons?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 			Luigi

Hi Luigi,

Unfortunately there isn't a way to do that at present.  Emacs does
allow you to remap keys to invoke these functions you'd normally call
with middle and right mouse button clicks.  Please look at the
documentation for the function global-set-key and the section `Key
Bindings' in the online manual.  Notice that the shift-, control-, and
meta-modifiers do not work currently with mouse clicks, so S-mouse-1,
e.g., will not be detected.  I'll fix this in a future version.

Andrew.

[Mac-emacs-users] Newbie question - mouse emulation

[Luigi B. <bal...@ma...>]

Hi all,
	I looked around the docs, but I couldn't even find a reference.
How does one emulate the middle and right mouse buttons?

Thanks in advance,
			Luigi

Re: [Mac-emacs-users] viper mode

[John C L. <jc...@po...>]

Andrew,
That seems to do the trick. Thanks for the help, and for your work.
Cheers
JL

On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Andrew Choi wrote:

> > I've built and installed Emacs 21 on OS 10.1. All seems well, thus
> > far.  I can't seem to start viper-mode, however. It works in the
> > term window.  But when .app version is run from finder, I get the
> > following lisp error: Symbol's function definition is void:
> > iconify-or-deiconify-frame. Tried make and make bootstrap. Same
> > error. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > John Lamoreaux
> > Department of Religious Studies
> > Southern Methodist University
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> For now, please try defining a dummy version of this function before
> starting viper-mode.  E.g.,
> 
>   (defun iconify-or-deiconify-frame () nil)
> 
> I'll fix this in a future version.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> 

Re: [Mac-emacs-users] make better use of SourceForge?

[Andrew C. <ak...@cs...>]

> Maybe it would be a good thing to make better use of SourceForge for
> this project? In particular the bug tracker could be useful.
> 
> Also, I'd love if the current binary version (and the source maybe,
> too), could also be made available via the File Release System. From
> Andrew's site, I only get 4-5KB/s, while from SourceForge I can get
> much faster speeds.
> 
> If there are techincal problems with this (e.g. FRS giving you
> trouble or whatever), I am willing to help out if I somehow can. I
> am experienced with the use of SF, being admin and member in various
> other projects.  Or maybe you have other fundamental reasons for not
> making more use of SF, in that case, maybe you can enlighten us as
> to what those are?  Thanks!
> 
> Just my two cent of course :) Please keep up the good work,
> 
> Max

Hi Max,

Thank you for your suggestion.

My idea is to eventually merge all Mac OS code into the main Emacs
source distribution.  Then we can use already existing mechanisms that
support the development of Emacs, such as the GNU FTP site (and its
mirror sites), the CVS repository and other services at
savannah.gnu.org, the USENET newsgroups comp.emacs and gnu.emacs.*,
etc.  For binaries, I actually have access to a mac/emacs directory at
ftp.gnu.org.  I should make use of it.  Once these are done I will
phase out the use of the SourceForge site.

I am not doing this for "religious" reasons.  When the Mac code
becomes part of Emacs, it will seem strange to support the project
separately on SourceForge.  It made sense when it was still a patch.

Currently I'm in the middle of a big move and not able to work on
this.  I'm work on Emacs again in a few weeks.

I hope everyone thinks this is reasonable.

Andrew.

Re: [Mac-emacs-users] viper mode

[Andrew C. <ak...@cs...>]

> I've built and installed Emacs 21 on OS 10.1. All seems well, thus
> far.  I can't seem to start viper-mode, however. It works in the
> term window.  But when .app version is run from finder, I get the
> following lisp error: Symbol's function definition is void:
> iconify-or-deiconify-frame. Tried make and make bootstrap. Same
> error. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
> 
> John Lamoreaux
> Department of Religious Studies
> Southern Methodist University

Hi John,

For now, please try defining a dummy version of this function before
starting viper-mode.  E.g.,

  (defun iconify-or-deiconify-frame () nil)

I'll fix this in a future version.

Andrew.