I just want to report that I am using this driver since 5 years successfully, it was the official driver in this time, and not only with this card, but also with the following equipment:
Behringer U-Phono UFO 202
Behringer XENYX QX 1202 USB MIXER
Behringer U-CONTROL UMA25S USB keyboard and MIDI controller
And in it’s ReadMe.txt you can read this:
1. HARDWARE Support:
UMA25S, UCA200*, UCA202, UCA222, UFO202, UCG102, iAXE393/624/629 and many more.
*bundled with UMX series, XENYX mixers, PODCASTUDIO USB
I’ve tested it against ASIO4ALL, and the Behringer driver is really much better.
Should also work with the Behringer UM2, but I cannot verify.
I can confirm that the UM2 works with these drivers under Win10.
I just got a UM2 to play with for a couple of days.
Even with this driver set to the minimum buffer size it still has a very high total delay 'though, about ping time + 33ms.
So I can not recomend using the UM2 under Win10
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I don’t really understand what ping times have to do with a sound-card. Like I said, I don’t know the UM2, my original post was about the devices I have, and I’m using with the original Behringer driver under Windows 10. This are:
Behringer U-CONTROL UCA202
Behringer U-Phono UFO 202
Behringer XENYX QX 1202 USB MIXER
Behringer U-CONTROL UMA25S USB keyboard and MIDI controller
And with all I get an overall-delay of 19-23 ms. (to my own server)
And I forgot the Behringer Guitar Link UCG102 a friend of mine is using with the same driver.
Hi Aero,
The overall delay is made up of two parts: the communications delay and the processing delay.
The communicatons delay is the ping time. The processing delay is coming from the sound card with it's drivers and the buffering. As you say it has nothing to do with the ping time.
I always try to separate the two because the sound card and driver delay will remain more or less the same when I change servers. It is the ping time which will change. If I know that my sound card and buffers has a delay of x then the overall delay will be about x + ping time.
I do not doubt your delay times. But from what I tested yesterday the Behringer UM2 works with the driver, but has a higher delay than the devices you mention. The UM2 is interesting because it is the least expensive interface with mic input that I know. So it appears that investing a bit more money in your interface really will get you better delay times.
That is good to know.
Best, Don
(Note: I use a NI Komplete 2 sound card which is also a relatively inexpensive unit, but have delays of around ping + 11ms. I got this unit by chance, it was in stock and the Behringer UMC202HD I was looking to get wasn't, but am very happy with it.)
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Hi Don,
OK, I’ve understood what you mean, and I share your opinion that a better interface will get you better delay times. I’ve bought myself an U-Phoria UMC1820 some month ago, which is now my primary sound-card, and it makes a big difference.
And it’s really not easy to use Jamulus without a microphone, especially when you are starting with Jamulus, but it’s possible to mix a microphone to your instrument by using Jack and Voicemeeter.
But I only wanted to say, if you have one of these cards, or you are limited with your budget (the UCA202 and the UCG10 costs actually 23,90€), or can get a used one somewhere, don’t use ASIO4ALL, but the original Behringer driver.
Best, Aerodrummer
(Ping to my server is 2 - 3 ms)
Last edit: Aerodrummer 2020-10-25
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"But I only wanted to say, if you have one of these cards, or you are limited with your budget (the UCA202 and the UCG10 costs actually 23,90€), or can get a used one somewhere, don’t use ASIO4ALL, but the original Behringer driver."
I agree completely.
Don
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DonC (and/or any of the team) , do I understand correctly that Overal Delay would be :
from my mixer to the (remote) server to my mixer including all software .and hardware. between (i.e. client and server side) ?
My setup : Windows 10 Pro (64b) on a tower PC + Behringer Q802USB + (old) native driver (64b) + ethernet + Jamulus client (current v.)
Our (remote/drummer) server setup : Windows 7 PRO (64b) on a decent laptop + Behringer Q802USB + (old) native driver (64b) + ethernet + Jamulus server and client (current v.)
Last edit: pcar75 2020-11-27
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Hi Pcar,
I do not know what is actually measured (I think it is more of an educated estimation actually).
But I have noted that the value of the total delay behaves as I have said.
That is to say, there is a portion that is more or less constant, depending also on the buffering, and a portion that changes with the ping time.
Don
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"(...) Overal Delay would be : from my mixer to the (remote) server to my mixer , including all software and hardware between (i.e. client and server side) ? (...)"
Can anyone in the developer / support team corroborate this , Please ?
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Here at https://github.com/corrados/jamulus/wiki/Hardware-Setup you can read something about the Behringer U-CONTROL UCA202 sound card and it’s native ASIO driver (BEHRINGER_2902_X64_2.8.40.zip / 855kB).
I just want to report that I am using this driver since 5 years successfully, it was the official driver in this time, and not only with this card, but also with the following equipment:
Behringer U-Phono UFO 202
Behringer XENYX QX 1202 USB MIXER
Behringer U-CONTROL UMA25S USB keyboard and MIDI controller
And in it’s ReadMe.txt you can read this:
1. HARDWARE Support:
UMA25S, UCA200*, UCA202, UCA222, UFO202, UCG102, iAXE393/624/629 and many more.
*bundled with UMX series, XENYX mixers, PODCASTUDIO USB
I’ve tested it against ASIO4ALL, and the Behringer driver is really much better.
Should also work with the Behringer UM2, but I cannot verify.
Behringer UM2 Setup Driver on Windows 10 [Step by Step]
https://youtu.be/xWirJwKyFx0
Last edit: Crossrhythm 2020-10-24
i can confirm the UM2 worked for me with those drivers in Windows 7.
Listen carefully, you will only says this ones :-) .
yea, some strange behavior in Safari on an ipad! :-/
I can confirm that the UM2 works with these drivers under Win10.
I just got a UM2 to play with for a couple of days.
Even with this driver set to the minimum buffer size it still has a very high total delay 'though, about ping time + 33ms.
So I can not recomend using the UM2 under Win10
I don’t really understand what ping times have to do with a sound-card. Like I said, I don’t know the UM2, my original post was about the devices I have, and I’m using with the original Behringer driver under Windows 10. This are:
Behringer U-CONTROL UCA202
Behringer U-Phono UFO 202
Behringer XENYX QX 1202 USB MIXER
Behringer U-CONTROL UMA25S USB keyboard and MIDI controller
And with all I get an overall-delay of 19-23 ms. (to my own server)
And I forgot the Behringer Guitar Link UCG102 a friend of mine is using with the same driver.
U-CONTROL UCA202
Behringer Guitar Link UCG10
Behringer XENYX QX 1202 USB MIXER
U-CONTROL UMA25S USB keyboard and MIDI controller
Last edit: Aerodrummer 2020-10-25
Hi Aero,
The overall delay is made up of two parts: the communications delay and the processing delay.
The communicatons delay is the ping time. The processing delay is coming from the sound card with it's drivers and the buffering. As you say it has nothing to do with the ping time.
I always try to separate the two because the sound card and driver delay will remain more or less the same when I change servers. It is the ping time which will change. If I know that my sound card and buffers has a delay of x then the overall delay will be about x + ping time.
I do not doubt your delay times. But from what I tested yesterday the Behringer UM2 works with the driver, but has a higher delay than the devices you mention. The UM2 is interesting because it is the least expensive interface with mic input that I know. So it appears that investing a bit more money in your interface really will get you better delay times.
That is good to know.
Best, Don
(Note: I use a NI Komplete 2 sound card which is also a relatively inexpensive unit, but have delays of around ping + 11ms. I got this unit by chance, it was in stock and the Behringer UMC202HD I was looking to get wasn't, but am very happy with it.)
Hi Don,
OK, I’ve understood what you mean, and I share your opinion that a better interface will get you better delay times. I’ve bought myself an U-Phoria UMC1820 some month ago, which is now my primary sound-card, and it makes a big difference.
And it’s really not easy to use Jamulus without a microphone, especially when you are starting with Jamulus, but it’s possible to mix a microphone to your instrument by using Jack and Voicemeeter.
But I only wanted to say, if you have one of these cards, or you are limited with your budget (the UCA202 and the UCG10 costs actually 23,90€), or can get a used one somewhere, don’t use ASIO4ALL, but the original Behringer driver.
Best, Aerodrummer
(Ping to my server is 2 - 3 ms)
Last edit: Aerodrummer 2020-10-25
I agree completely.
Don
https://sourceforge.net/p/llcon/discussion/hardware/thread/7791163cf6/#2c63
"(..) If I know that my sound card and buffers has a delay of x then the overall delay will be about x + ping time. (...)"
DonC (and/or any of the team) , do I understand correctly that Overal Delay would be :
from my mixer to the (remote) server to my mixer including all software .and hardware. between (i.e. client and server side) ?
Our (remote/drummer) server setup : Windows 7 PRO (64b) on a decent laptop + Behringer Q802USB + (old) native driver (64b) + ethernet + Jamulus server and client (current v.)
Last edit: pcar75 2020-11-27
Hi Pcar,
I do not know what is actually measured (I think it is more of an educated estimation actually).
But I have noted that the value of the total delay behaves as I have said.
That is to say, there is a portion that is more or less constant, depending also on the buffering, and a portion that changes with the ping time.
Don
Thanks DonC.
"(...) Overal Delay would be : from my mixer to the (remote) server to my mixer , including all software and hardware between (i.e. client and server side) ? (...)"
Can anyone in the developer / support team corroborate this , Please ?