Hi. A friend just tested llcon on his Steinberg audio board, with no success.
Is there a list of known audio boards that surely work with llcon.
We're on windows, but may switch to linux if the setup is more reliable there
Cheers,
Enrico
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Hi I tested KORG Pandora PX5D: won't work because Jamulus requires jack is set for sampling 48k and selecting the box USB for qjackctl locks jackd to 44k1.
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I am using my Targus ACP71USC docking station with ASIO4ALL driver. My microphone and guitar go to a VocalistLive3 which provides the pre-amp and some FX. The XLR out goes to a Yamaha mixer. I monitor the local "wet" channel in one ear of my headset. Record out from the mixer goes to the docking station. In my case, I had to attenuate that output to get enough headset level while not overdriving the input to Jamulous. Audio out from Targus goes to my other ear.
I found that I had to disable my Realtek driver before Jamulous could see audio input. I am still investigating that.
If you already own a mixer OR a vocal processor OR a preamp and a docking station, I suspect this will provide at least as good quality as a sub $100 dedicated interface. I intend to use a second mixer so that I can get both local mix and Jamulous output to both ears and in stereo when possible.
I have also been successful at using my Zoom H2 on one of two PCs and looking into why the 2nd did not work.
Last edit: John M 2020-04-06
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Hi, I'm new to Jamulus. I see that you've used the Zoom H2. I'm looking to try this out tonight with the H2. Any quick hints you can give me to make this work decent enough for a quick guitar jam with some friends?
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No special instructions for Linux. I only used it for a few minutes on
Windows 10 using asio4all. I did download an asio driver from Zoom for win
10 and it appears in devices but I moved to Linux before trying.
Choose to use it as an audio interface. Set frequency to 48Khz and connect.
For the H2n, you must set the selector switch to XS (See manual).
I connect my audio mixer to line in and my headset to the headset output. I
set gain to max but any setting works well.
At one time, I was using the internal microphones and it was great for
vocals but it also picks up every click of my pick on strings. IMO, this is
a very good choice if you have one and the H4/H5 is worth considering if you
intend to buy any interface since these double as recorders for very little
(if any) extra money. The only drawback I find is that I need to make those
simple selections from its menu before each use. For that reason, I just
leave it connected and powered by the PC.
From: edward Mantione [mailto:lester59@users.sourceforge.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:52 AM
To: [llcon:discussion]
Subject: [llcon:discussion] Re: List of working audio boards?
Hi, I'm new to Jamulus. I see that you've used the Zoom H2. I'm looking to
try this out tonight with the H2. Any quick hints you can give me to make
this work decent enough for a quick guitar jam with some friends?
I tested the following successfully with Jamulus (client = Raspberry Pi 4 running Raspberry Pi OS Buster, kernel version 4.19), using a private server (Dell XPS 7000 running Ubuntu Studio on the same local area network):
Audio Injector (HAT). This has L + R RCA inputs and outputs, plus a headphone output, and costs almost nothing. The one I received seems to have had a defective output channel so I had to return it.
HiFiBerry DAC +ADC (HAT). Virtually no jitters and the lowest latency (20 millseconds). Has 3.5 mm stereo input and L + R RCA outputs. No headphone amplifier, so you'll need one of those. I used a Rolls MX122 mini mixer. It gets plenty LOUD.
ART USB Mix4 (USB audio interface + 4 channel mixer). 2 "combo" inputs (1/4" or XR) plus 2 more 1/4" inputs. Good all-in-one solution for a keyboard player because you can locally mix your keyboard(s) and a microphone. Includes both a 3.5 mm and 1/4" headphone jack. It can also function as a standalone analog mixer. Well built. I could not figure out a way to adjust the monitoring mix - I got both the direct signal from my keyboard, plus the slightly delayed signal back from Jamulus. This resulted in a constant "slap echo" effect (which honestly was not unpleasant).
Shure X2u (XLR to USB audio interface with headphone jack). This converts your XLR mic into a USB mic. Extremely compact and very well made. It has thumbwheel controls for mic gain, headphone volume, and direct vs. PC mix on the headphone output (so you can have the slap echo effect if you want it, or eliminate it by dialing all the way over to PC).
The best solution depends on how many inputs you need and what other analog audio and PC gear you may already have (and maybe what you can find on the market).
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For the ART USB Mix4, you can montor only the USB return on inputs 1 and 2 (not 3 and 4). I emailed ART support that same question. You use the Monitor Mute button to turn it on and off. I prefer to have this enabled, I don't like the slap echo effect of monitoring your outgoing and return signals. It's a deal killer for me and vilolates the #1 rule of Jamulus to not monitor your outgoing signal. Anyway, here is what their support emailed me back when I asked:
"You guessed it! It does exactly that, mutes channels one and two (3-4 are tied up by the USB return). Per the manual "Monitor Mute switch When this switch is on , the audio input to channels 1 and 2 are muted from the MAIN MIX [ ] output jack, the HEADSET output jack, and PHONES output jack (direct monitoring is OFF)."
Note that the ART USB Mix4 is virtually the same mixer as the Ammoon AGM04 and these instructions work on it, too: https://www.ammoon.com/p-i4049.html
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Thanks for straightening me out. I had the piano going in channels 3 and 4
(because only channels 1 and 2 support an XLR mic). If I tie up channel 1
and 2 with piano, the mic has no place to plug in.
The word "Monitor" is ambiguous, and I think that causes some of the
confusion.
Sweetwater has a brief article which uses these terms:
Direct Monitoring: the input to the audio interface. Often referred to as
"zero-latency" monitoring.
Input monitoring: the output from the computer. Another term used is
"Playback". This is what we want for Jamulus.
The Shure X2u lets you infinitely adjust the ratio of Direct vs. Playback.
I see that the 1st and 2nd gen Scarlett products also have this feature
(but the knob is gone in 3rd gen).
Now I know that ART USBMix4 behaves as follows:
1. Channels 1 and 2: 50:50 Direct:Playback mix, or 100% Playback (when you
press the Mute Ch1-2 button).
2. Channels 3 and 4: fixed 50:50 mix (take it or leave it).
One product that intrigued me for guitar or bass players is the Samson
G-Track Pro USB mic, as it has a 1/4" instrument input on the back. The
manual indicates that:
1. With the Monitor switch ON you get a 50:50 mix.
2. With the Monitor switch OFF you get 100% Playback.
So this seems like it would work with Jamulus, but I have not tried it.
I think what I will do is:
use the Rolls MX122 to mix everything (piano + mic) and send that analog
signal to the HiFiBerry.
connect the HiFiBerry analog output to the ART for headphone monitoring.
In that case the ART is not using it's USB features at all.
This will provide 100% "Input Monitoring".
If I decide that I like a little "Direct" monitoring, I can route one of
the headphone outputs of the Rolls mixer to one of the inputs on the ART.
Then adjust to taste.
For the ART USB Mix4, you can montor only the USB return on inputs 1 and 2
(not 3 and 4). I emailed ART support that same question. You use the
Monitor Mute button to turn it on and off. I prefer to have this enabled, I
don't like the slap echo effect of monitoring your outgoing and return
signals. It's a deal killer for me and vilolates the #1 rule of Jamulus to
not monitor your outgoing signal. Anyway, here is what their support
emailed me back when I asked:
"You guessed it! It does exactly that, mutes channels one and two (3-4 are
tied up by the USB return). Per the manual "Monitor Mute switch When this
switch is on , the audio input to channels 1 and 2 are muted from the MAIN
MIX [ ] output jack, the HEADSET output jack, and PHONES output jack
(direct monitoring is OFF)."
Note that the ART USB Mix4 is virtually the same mixer as the Ammoon AGM04
and these instructions work on it, too: https://www.ammoon.com/p-i4049.html
Hi. A friend just tested llcon on his Steinberg audio board, with no success.
Is there a list of known audio boards that surely work with llcon.
We're on windows, but may switch to linux if the setup is more reliable there
Cheers,
Enrico
I started to create a list at this page:
http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/llcon/index.php?title=Llcon_required_hardware_setup
These are the sound cards I successfully run llcon on. I encourage all llcon users to add their working sound cards to this list, too.
Volker... the web page is there but it is empty of an device list so far.
Sourceforge wrote a while ago that the Wiki will be shut down. Therefore I moved the pages from the Wiki to a regular web page. The new URL is: http://llcon.sourceforge.net/requiredhardware.html
Hi:
I've tested with a SB Live! 24-bit with ASIO for all and it worked well.
Sebas
Hi I tested KORG Pandora PX5D: won't work because Jamulus requires jack is set for sampling 48k and selecting the box USB for qjackctl locks jackd to 44k1.
using alsa_in -jPX48D -dhw:PX5D [-r44100] in a terminal allowed me to use the korg
I am using my Targus ACP71USC docking station with ASIO4ALL driver. My microphone and guitar go to a VocalistLive3 which provides the pre-amp and some FX. The XLR out goes to a Yamaha mixer. I monitor the local "wet" channel in one ear of my headset. Record out from the mixer goes to the docking station. In my case, I had to attenuate that output to get enough headset level while not overdriving the input to Jamulous. Audio out from Targus goes to my other ear.
I found that I had to disable my Realtek driver before Jamulous could see audio input. I am still investigating that.
If you already own a mixer OR a vocal processor OR a preamp and a docking station, I suspect this will provide at least as good quality as a sub $100 dedicated interface. I intend to use a second mixer so that I can get both local mix and Jamulous output to both ears and in stereo when possible.
I have also been successful at using my Zoom H2 on one of two PCs and looking into why the 2nd did not work.
Last edit: John M 2020-04-06
Hi, I'm new to Jamulus. I see that you've used the Zoom H2. I'm looking to try this out tonight with the H2. Any quick hints you can give me to make this work decent enough for a quick guitar jam with some friends?
If you want to see sound cards which are used by other users, you can check out our Wiki page: https://github.com/corrados/jamulus/wiki/Sound-Devices
No special instructions for Linux. I only used it for a few minutes on
Windows 10 using asio4all. I did download an asio driver from Zoom for win
10 and it appears in devices but I moved to Linux before trying.
Choose to use it as an audio interface. Set frequency to 48Khz and connect.
For the H2n, you must set the selector switch to XS (See manual).
I connect my audio mixer to line in and my headset to the headset output. I
set gain to max but any setting works well.
At one time, I was using the internal microphones and it was great for
vocals but it also picks up every click of my pick on strings. IMO, this is
a very good choice if you have one and the H4/H5 is worth considering if you
intend to buy any interface since these double as recorders for very little
(if any) extra money. The only drawback I find is that I need to make those
simple selections from its menu before each use. For that reason, I just
leave it connected and powered by the PC.
From: edward Mantione [mailto:lester59@users.sourceforge.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:52 AM
To: [llcon:discussion]
Subject: [llcon:discussion] Re: List of working audio boards?
Hi, I'm new to Jamulus. I see that you've used the Zoom H2. I'm looking to
try this out tonight with the H2. Any quick hints you can give me to make
this work decent enough for a quick guitar jam with some friends?
List of working audio boards?
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Seems to work pretty well with a Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6.
I have tested Zoom H2 (Jack and asio4all) , Zoom H2N (Jack) and my Targus ACP71USZ (asio 4 all ) docking station successfully.
I tested the following successfully with Jamulus (client = Raspberry Pi 4 running Raspberry Pi OS Buster, kernel version 4.19), using a private server (Dell XPS 7000 running Ubuntu Studio on the same local area network):
Audio Injector (HAT). This has L + R RCA inputs and outputs, plus a headphone output, and costs almost nothing. The one I received seems to have had a defective output channel so I had to return it.
HiFiBerry DAC +ADC (HAT). Virtually no jitters and the lowest latency (20 millseconds). Has 3.5 mm stereo input and L + R RCA outputs. No headphone amplifier, so you'll need one of those. I used a Rolls MX122 mini mixer. It gets plenty LOUD.
ART USB Mix4 (USB audio interface + 4 channel mixer). 2 "combo" inputs (1/4" or XR) plus 2 more 1/4" inputs. Good all-in-one solution for a keyboard player because you can locally mix your keyboard(s) and a microphone. Includes both a 3.5 mm and 1/4" headphone jack. It can also function as a standalone analog mixer. Well built. I could not figure out a way to adjust the monitoring mix - I got both the direct signal from my keyboard, plus the slightly delayed signal back from Jamulus. This resulted in a constant "slap echo" effect (which honestly was not unpleasant).
Shure X2u (XLR to USB audio interface with headphone jack). This converts your XLR mic into a USB mic. Extremely compact and very well made. It has thumbwheel controls for mic gain, headphone volume, and direct vs. PC mix on the headphone output (so you can have the slap echo effect if you want it, or eliminate it by dialing all the way over to PC).
The best solution depends on how many inputs you need and what other analog audio and PC gear you may already have (and maybe what you can find on the market).
Hi Peter,
For the ART USB Mix4, you can montor only the USB return on inputs 1 and 2 (not 3 and 4). I emailed ART support that same question. You use the Monitor Mute button to turn it on and off. I prefer to have this enabled, I don't like the slap echo effect of monitoring your outgoing and return signals. It's a deal killer for me and vilolates the #1 rule of Jamulus to not monitor your outgoing signal. Anyway, here is what their support emailed me back when I asked:
"You guessed it! It does exactly that, mutes channels one and two (3-4 are tied up by the USB return). Per the manual "Monitor Mute switch When this switch is on , the audio input to channels 1 and 2 are muted from the MAIN MIX [ ] output jack, the HEADSET output jack, and PHONES output jack (direct monitoring is OFF)."
Note that the ART USB Mix4 is virtually the same mixer as the Ammoon AGM04 and these instructions work on it, too: https://www.ammoon.com/p-i4049.html
Thanks for straightening me out. I had the piano going in channels 3 and 4
(because only channels 1 and 2 support an XLR mic). If I tie up channel 1
and 2 with piano, the mic has no place to plug in.
The word "Monitor" is ambiguous, and I think that causes some of the
confusion.
Sweetwater has a brief article which uses these terms:
Direct Monitoring: the input to the audio interface. Often referred to as
"zero-latency" monitoring.
Input monitoring: the output from the computer. Another term used is
"Playback". This is what we want for Jamulus.
The Shure X2u lets you infinitely adjust the ratio of Direct vs. Playback.
I see that the 1st and 2nd gen Scarlett products also have this feature
(but the knob is gone in 3rd gen).
Now I know that ART USBMix4 behaves as follows:
1. Channels 1 and 2: 50:50 Direct:Playback mix, or 100% Playback (when you
press the Mute Ch1-2 button).
2. Channels 3 and 4: fixed 50:50 mix (take it or leave it).
One product that intrigued me for guitar or bass players is the Samson
G-Track Pro USB mic, as it has a 1/4" instrument input on the back. The
manual indicates that:
1. With the Monitor switch ON you get a 50:50 mix.
2. With the Monitor switch OFF you get 100% Playback.
So this seems like it would work with Jamulus, but I have not tried it.
I think what I will do is:
use the Rolls MX122 to mix everything (piano + mic) and send that analog
signal to the HiFiBerry.
connect the HiFiBerry analog output to the ART for headphone monitoring.
In that case the ART is not using it's USB features at all.
This will provide 100% "Input Monitoring".
If I decide that I like a little "Direct" monitoring, I can route one of
the headphone outputs of the Rolls mixer to one of the inputs on the ART.
Then adjust to taste.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 12:36 Rob Durkin bentwrench@users.sourceforge.net
wrote:
One more option, use channel 1 for mic, and use channel 2 with a 1/4" input cable as mono input.