linux-apus-devel

Re: the poll

[<cah...@po...>]

Hi Rene !!!

> > A preview of poll you did is almost good. Things you should add are:
> > * what version of gcc was used to compile kernel
> 
> Good question!
> 
> > * if user use FastATA or not
> > 
> > You should also explain that IDE/last_ipl problem is gayle-ide sepcific
> > problem.
> 
> Hmm.. I think there is no FastATA driver in the kernel? So why schould we 
> ask about it? BTW what is FastATA, is it an extension board for 
> A1200/A4000 or an extension for gayle?

Yes, this is the thing I'll write driver for when at last kernel 2.4.18
works. FastATA as I wrote on linux-apus-devel list works like a patch for
gayle (At last this one in A1200). If you want to know more about FastATA
look at www.elbox.com. I want to know whether it has influence on our
problem or not, because FastATA hmm... emulates (?) first ide port of
gayle in PIO-0 mode.

> > You should also assure people that e-mail won't be used in any other
> > purpose than contacting with those people in order to get more
> > specific description of problem.
> 
> Clear. Thanks for the advice.
 
> > then you'll be able to send poll
> > to apus site. After that we must add poll to main page of apus project
> > and
> > inform users that it's available, I think the best way is an amiga news
> > page ie. Czech Amiga News (www.realdreams.cz/amiga is my favourite).
> 
> There is already a test version of the poll on a hidden place at the apus 
> page. Alan has added it.
> I also think that an Amiga-news site is a good place, but a Czech news 
> site....
 
> I will add your suggestions to the poll page and send it to you for 
> preview, but let us discuss back to the developer list.

OK.

Personally I think that our poll have everything it should have.

Regards
Krystian

IDE poll test

[Rene B. <re...@we...>]

Hello!


Since Michel has added me to the APUS group (thanks!), I was so free to=20
add a directory for a preview of the IDE poll (because I have no write=20
permission to the directory Alan has created). You can find it under:

http://linux-apus.sourceforge.net/IDE_poll_test/IDE_poll.html

So take a look and give suggestions or even make it public.


Ciao, Ren=E8

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Rene B. <re...@we...>]

On 2002.07.12 00:11 Krystian Bac=B3awski wrote:
> >
> > But whats up now? Should I make a php-script for a poll?
>=20
> Yes, start doing it, but before we release it I want to be sure whether
> it
> really provides information that will be useful.
>=20
> Maybe someone have additional suggestions about a poll ???
>=20
> (I think that the poll will be easy comparing to fixing those problems.=
)

Hello!

Here the first review for the poll. Just drop the html-file to a browser.=
=20
The elements of the form will then be send to a php-script (which not=20
exists for now) and simply writes all statements to a file. Please make=20
your changes and/or give suggestions.

BTW, in my opinion we should do different polls for the IDE/last_ipl and=20
glint problems.


Ciao

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Andreas <an...@po...>]

Hello Krystian

> Hi !
> 
>> Hmm, I don't want to be subversive, it is all nice and ok to set up a poll,
>> but I wonder how much it would actually report about the current
>> situtation. First, I don't know how much folks is lurking around at apus at
>> sourceforge, or are just waiting (like me) for the nice automatically
>> generated mail by sourceforge which says "Project "Linux/APUS Kernel"
>> ('linux-apus') has released the new version of package '2.4 Kernel'. You
>> can download it.."
> 
> Yes, I understand you. There're two ways for users, the first one : let
> linux-apus die from lack of programmers/users developing it, or somehow
> help apus community. I'm from the first group, I hope there are also other
> people that would do something for apus. I also realize that my words
> sound hmm... as if I were an idealist, but what would have been linux
> without people willing to develop it...
> 
>> Second, the poll options have to be chosen very carefully. Because, does it
>> have any use if we know, well 40 users have problems with booting and are
>> frozen after the ipl's, and 45 users have problems using the glint driver
>> (to also tackle this problems [yes, I am also hit by this bug]) . It may be
>> more useful if we would know about their hardware config, and what exactly
>> they are doing. So it should be something like: "Please do this poll, but,
>> IF you are experience problems DO ALSO report them including your exact
>> systems configuration to linuxapus-dev.."
>> 
>> Or maybe a poll with some options like:
>> 
>> - "ide freezes on A1200"
>> - "ide freezes on A4000"
>> 
>> And at best something where you could chose multiple options, so you could
>> supplement the information given above with, e.g.:
>> 
>> - "freezes on bootup"
>> - "freezes by chance"
>> - "just spits out messages accidentally but doesn't freeze"
> 
> Frankly, I'm quite disorientated, we have been talking about a poll for
> two days. I think it's enough time to make a poll and start gathering
> information about the problem.
> 
>> And, at last, we also need people capable of solving the problems.
>> The current situation seems to be that people who experience the very
>> hard problems have no idea about fixing them, and the people who could fix
>> them don't experience them and can't do anything with only the information
>> from mails.
> 
> Uhh. It's the worst thing. I hope somebody will fix those problems till
> apus dies. Users have been suffering from ide-driver problem since release
> of 2.4.14 kernel.
> 
>> To shortly summarize: glint troubles only seem to happen on A4000 machines,
>> the ide probs mostly on A1200 (altough this may be because there are a lot
>> more A1200's out there).
> 
> How many subscribed users do our mailing-lists have ? Maybe more general
> poll should be done ? What information do we really need ???

Exactly what I am asking for! It's diffccult to estimate the significance of
the answeres gahtered by a poll, and secondly, it's maybe even more difficult
to ask the right questions. If a poll is done, I think it should be an
exception to the rule (say, we shouldn't have a new poll every other day,
because we realized that the polled information is incomplete), therefore it should be a
very meaningful questionary. To increase significance, the poll could e.g. be
made public by the usual amiga news services, and so on.

Well, I am not a developer, but with my little amount of time, I could at
least help produce some useful debugging output concerning the glint problem.
But, I agree with you, as you have been writing in an other post, that maybe
first the ide problem should be tackled, and just on second position, the
glint problem. Bu this doesn't inhibt us on asking about both problems on the
same questionary.

It may be useful if some of the senior developers here could give some advice,
what information really should be asked for, e.g. revision of this and this
file, or hardware stuff. It's not very productive to ask people questions about
their setup, without really knowing which questions really provide the
important information!

Just my .2 p's..

And please keep in mind, this post isn't ment offensive at all!! It only
represents my thoughts trying to help to find out of this quite dodgy
situation.

-- 
Good night,
Andi

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[<cah...@po...>]

Hi!

> > > Looks good to me, maybe you could also include questions about the X
> > > problems people seem to have with CVisionPPCs.
> >=20
> > But what should I ask for... I don't have this problem. If I had it
> > I'd know what to ask about.
>=20
> Simply ask: If you have running the glint driver, do you have x-server=20
> crashes on shut down?
>=20
>=20
> > I wonder if only a part of A4000 users are affected by this problem, or
> > all of them, ie. it's a question of differences between hardware or a
> > kernel and/or xserver related problem.
>=20
> Right. So we have to ask about x-server version, kernel version, maybe=20
> glibc version, gcc version that was used for compiling the running kernel=
=20
> and if the graphics- and PPC-board is a P5 or DCE one.
>=20
> But whats up now? Should I make a php-script for a poll?

Yes, start doing it, but before we release it I want to be sure whether it
really provides information that will be useful.

Maybe someone have additional suggestions about a poll ???

(I think that the poll will be easy comparing to fixing those problems.)

Regards
Krystian Bac=B3awski

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[<cah...@po...>]

Hi !
 
> Hmm, I don't want to be subversive, it is all nice and ok to set up a poll,
> but I wonder how much it would actually report about the current situtation.
> First, I don't know how much folks is lurking around at apus at sourceforge,
> or are just waiting (like me) for the nice automatically generated mail by
> sourceforge which says "Project "Linux/APUS Kernel" ('linux-apus') has released
> the new version of package '2.4 Kernel'. You can download it.."

Yes, I understand you. There're two ways for users, the first one : let
linux-apus die from lack of programmers/users developing it, or somehow
help apus community. I'm from the first group, I hope there are also other
people that would do something for apus. I also realize that my words
sound hmm... as if I were an idealist, but what would have been linux
without people willing to develop it...
 
> Second, the poll options have to be chosen very carefully. Because, does it
> have any use if we know, well 40 users have problems with booting and are
> frozen after the ipl's, and 45 users have problems using the glint driver (to
> also tackle this problems [yes, I am also hit by this bug]) . It
> may be more useful if we would know about their hardware config, and what
> exactly they are doing. So it should be something like: "Please do this poll,
> but, IF you are experience problems DO ALSO report them including your exact
> systems configuration to linuxapus-dev.."
> 
> Or maybe a poll with some options like:
> 
> - "ide freezes on A1200"
> - "ide freezes on A4000"
> 
> And at best something where you could chose multiple options, so you could
> supplement the information given above with, e.g.:
> 
> - "freezes on bootup"
> - "freezes by chance"
> - "just spits out messages accidentally but doesn't freeze"

Frankly, I'm quite disorientated, we have been talking about a poll for
two days. I think it's enough time to make a poll and start gathering
information about the problem.

> And, at last, we also need people capable of solving the problems.
> The current situation seems to be that people who experience the very
> hard problems have no idea about fixing them, and the people who could fix
> them don't experience them and can't do anything with only the information
> from mails.

Uhh. It's the worst thing. I hope somebody will fix those problems till
apus dies. Users have been suffering from ide-driver problem since release
of 2.4.14 kernel.
 
> To shortly summarize: glint troubles only seem to happen on A4000 machines,
> the ide probs mostly on A1200 (altough this may be because there are a lot
> more A1200's out there).

How many subscribed users do our mailing-lists have ? Maybe more general
poll should be done ? What information do we really need ???

Regards
Krystian

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Rene B. <re...@we...>]

On 2002.07.11 23:28 Krystian Bac=B3awski wrote:
> >
> > Looks good to me, maybe you could also include questions about the X
> > problems people seem to have with CVisionPPCs.
>=20
> But what should I ask for... I don't have this problem. If I had it
> I'd know what to ask about.

Simply ask: If you have running the glint driver, do you have x-server=20
crashes on shut down?


> I wonder if only a part of A4000 users are affected by this problem, or
> all of them, ie. it's a question of differences between hardware or a
> kernel and/or xserver related problem.

Right. So we have to ask about x-server version, kernel version, maybe=20
glibc version, gcc version that was used for compiling the running kernel=
=20
and if the graphics- and PPC-board is a P5 or DCE one.

But whats up now? Should I make a php-script for a poll?


Ciao, Ren=E8

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[<cah...@po...>]

Hi!
 
> > Could you give me those rights, I'll also make a poll about FastAta
> > (PowerFlyer), I'm especially interested how many people do have FastATA,
> > and which model. I also want to know who should I give drivers for
> > testing..
> > 
> > In my opinion poll about ide/ipl problem should look like this:
> > 
> > * Amiga model                 : A1200/A4000
> > * Board revision              : for instance : rev2b ...
> > * PPC Card Model              : for instance : Blizzard 603e/175/68040/40
> > * Kernel used                 : 2.4.x
> > * Suffer from ipl/ide problem : Yes/No
> > * Strange behaviour           : description for instance : waits for
> >                                 about 20s after that continues booting 
> > * Remarks                     : kernel is showing last ipl also when ....
> > * Email                       : ...
> 
> Looks good to me, maybe you could also include questions about the X
> problems people seem to have with CVisionPPCs.

But what should I ask for... I don't have this problem. If I had it
I'd know what to ask about.

I wonder if only a part of A4000 users are affected by this problem, or
all of them, ie. it's a question of differences between hardware or a
kernel and/or xserver related problem.

BTW. I think everything should be done in proper order. I mean, the
working ide-driver is the most important thing, after fixing it we should
focus on glint driver problem. Why ? Maybe it's very irritaiting having
those crashes, but not having kernel that works prevent me (not only me)
from developing apus. It's a pity (as Andreas Wust said) that people who
experience those problem aren't those who would solve them quickly.

Regards
Krystian Baclawski

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Michel <mi...@da...>]

On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 10:50, Krystian Bac=B3awski wrote:=20
> Hi!
>=20
> > The sourceforge software already has polls built in, we just need to se=
t
> > them up. If nobody with the necessary rights wants to do it, I can give
> > you those rights.
>=20
> Could you give me those rights, I'll also make a poll about FastAta
> (PowerFlyer), I'm especially interested how many people do have FastATA,
> and which model. I also want to know who should I give drivers for
> testing..
>=20
> In my opinion poll about ide/ipl problem should look like this:
>=20
> * Amiga model                 : A1200/A4000
> * Board revision              : for instance : rev2b ...
> * PPC Card Model              : for instance : Blizzard 603e/175/68040/40
> * Kernel used                 : 2.4.x
> * Suffer from ipl/ide problem : Yes/No
> * Strange behaviour           : description for instance : waits for
>                                 about 20s after that continues booting=20
> * Remarks                     : kernel is showing last ipl also when ....
> * Email                       : ...

Looks good to me, maybe you could also include questions about the X
problems people seem to have with CVisionPPCs.


--=20
Earthling Michel D=E4nzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
XFree86 and DRI project member   /  CS student, Free Software enthusiast

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Michel <mi...@da...>]

On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 16:20, Rene Brothuhn wrote:
> On 2002.07.11 15:52 Michel D=E4nzer wrote:
> > Will you take care of filling in Krystian and/or Ren=E9 and giving them
> > the necessary credentials?
>=20
> Hi!
>=20
> Maybe thats not necessary. The only thing I need to know is: exists a=20
> possibility to use own php-scripts on linux-apus.sf.net and which version=
=20
> of PHP there exists?
> I can prepare the scripts here on my local linux-box, then I send it to=20
> you and you put it to the apus-site. Thats the easiest way.

I think it's much easier if you have direct access, but if someone else
wants to play the middle man, fine with me. :)


--=20
Earthling Michel D=E4nzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
XFree86 and DRI project member   /  CS student, Free Software enthusiast

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Rene B. <re...@we...>]

On 2002.07.11 15:52 Michel D=E4nzer wrote:
> Will you take care of filling in Krystian and/or Ren=E9 and giving them
> the necessary credentials?

Hi!

Maybe thats not necessary. The only thing I need to know is: exists a=20
possibility to use own php-scripts on linux-apus.sf.net and which version=
=20
of PHP there exists?
I can prepare the scripts here on my local linux-box, then I send it to=20
you and you put it to the apus-site. Thats the easiest way.


Ciao, Ren=E8

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Michel <mi...@da...>]

On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 10:58, Alan Buxey wrote:
> hi,
>=20
> > In my opinion poll about ide/ipl problem should look like this:
> >=20
> > * Amiga model                 : A1200/A4000
> > * Board revision              : for instance : rev2b ...
> > * PPC Card Model              : for instance : Blizzard 603e/175/68040/=
40
> > * Kernel used                 : 2.4.x
> > * Suffer from ipl/ide problem : Yes/No
> > * Strange behaviour           : description for instance : waits for
> >                                 about 20s after that continues booting=20
> > * Remarks                     : kernel is showing last ipl also when ..=
..
> > * Email                       : ...
>=20
> IIRC the sf.net poll system isnt that 'advanced' - its just a case of
> each question being able to have stock seection of answers... (which
> are programmable) but no remark fields or email entering fields etc.
>=20
> the idea of a PHP program to collect the data is the most interesting
> method to collect such information.

Will you take care of filling in Krystian and/or Ren=E9 and giving them
the necessary credentials?


--=20
Earthling Michel D=E4nzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
XFree86 and DRI project member   /  CS student, Free Software enthusiast

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[<cah...@po...>]

HI!

> I would do that. I have some(or many?) PHP-experiences and have also 
> programmed some larger polls with PHP and database support (with about 
> 15.000 datasets...).
> In normal case, if the questions we will ask are clear, it will take 3 - 4 
> houres to prepare such a poll. But we need a PHP-able webspace.

Great, but do we have such a space ???

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Rene B. <re...@we...>]

On 2002.07.11 11:32 Krystian Bac=B3awski wrote:
> > the idea of a PHP program to collect the data is the most interesting
> > method to collect such information.
>=20
> Who would do that ? Somebody said he would help us...


I would do that. I have some(or many?) PHP-experiences and have also=20
programmed some larger polls with PHP and database support (with about=20
15.000 datasets...).
In normal case, if the questions we will ask are clear, it will take 3 - =
4=20
houres to prepare such a poll. But we need a PHP-able webspace.


Ciao, Ren=E8

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Rene B. <re...@we...>]

On 2002.07.10 23:26 Michel D=E4nzer wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 23:06, Rene Brothuhn wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > As I see, linux-apus.sf.net runs on PHP. I know some PHP programming,
> so
> > maybe I can help a lot?
>=20
> The sourceforge software already has polls built in, we just need to se=
t
> them up. If nobody with the necessary rights wants to do it, I can give
> you those rights.


O.K.


Ciao, Ren=E8

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[<cah...@po...>]

HI !

> > In my opinion poll about ide/ipl problem should look like this:
> > 
> > * Amiga model                 : A1200/A4000
> > * Board revision              : for instance : rev2b ...
> > * PPC Card Model              : for instance : Blizzard 603e/175/68040/40
> > * Kernel used                 : 2.4.x
> > * Suffer from ipl/ide problem : Yes/No
> > * Strange behaviour           : description for instance : waits for
> >                                 about 20s after that continues booting 
> > * Remarks                     : kernel is showing last ipl also when ....
> > * Email                       : ...
> 
> IIRC the sf.net poll system isnt that 'advanced' - its just a case of
> each question being able to have stock seection of answers... (which
> are programmable) but no remark fields or email entering fields etc.

Too bad.
 
> the idea of a PHP program to collect the data is the most interesting
> method to collect such information.

Who would do that ? Somebody said he would help us...

> I would possibly get a PowerFlyer if it had proper support. been holding off.

So, you see we are in hmm ... "deadlock".
  
> > I really want to get 2.4.x kernel working on my amiga, then I'll be
> > able to start writing driver.
> 
> me too... i need to have a working kernel so that I can start playing
> with things that no longer work... eg some serial hardware.  and then
> maybe even take up that Mediator PCI challenge..or start on it.
> but my kernel source code compiles...but I cant use that kernel
> (and stupidly I now longer have a 2.4.13 tree :-( )

So in apus-developers best interest should be fixing that bug as fast
as possible :) It's a pity that I cannot do anything about it because of
my lack of knowledge. 

Regards
Krystian

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Alan B. <al...@ms...>]

hi,

> In my opinion poll about ide/ipl problem should look like this:
> 
> * Amiga model                 : A1200/A4000
> * Board revision              : for instance : rev2b ...
> * PPC Card Model              : for instance : Blizzard 603e/175/68040/40
> * Kernel used                 : 2.4.x
> * Suffer from ipl/ide problem : Yes/No
> * Strange behaviour           : description for instance : waits for
>                                 about 20s after that continues booting 
> * Remarks                     : kernel is showing last ipl also when ....
> * Email                       : ...

IIRC the sf.net poll system isnt that 'advanced' - its just a case of
each question being able to have stock seection of answers... (which
are programmable) but no remark fields or email entering fields etc.

the idea of a PHP program to collect the data is the most interesting
method to collect such information.


I would possibly get a PowerFlyer if it had proper support. been holding off.
 
> I really want to get 2.4.x kernel working on my amiga, then I'll be
> able to start writing driver.

me too... i need to have a working kernel so that I can start playing
with things that no longer work... eg some serial hardware.  and then
maybe even take up that Mediator PCI challenge..or start on it.
but my kernel source code compiles...but I cant use that kernel
(and stupidly I now longer have a 2.4.13 tree :-( )
 
alan

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[<cah...@po...>]

Hi!

> The sourceforge software already has polls built in, we just need to set
> them up. If nobody with the necessary rights wants to do it, I can give
> you those rights.

Could you give me those rights, I'll also make a poll about FastAta
(PowerFlyer), I'm especially interested how many people do have FastATA,
and which model. I also want to know who should I give drivers for
testing..

In my opinion poll about ide/ipl problem should look like this:

* Amiga model                 : A1200/A4000
* Board revision              : for instance : rev2b ...
* PPC Card Model              : for instance : Blizzard 603e/175/68040/40
* Kernel used                 : 2.4.x
* Suffer from ipl/ide problem : Yes/No
* Strange behaviour           : description for instance : waits for
                                about 20s after that continues booting 
* Remarks                     : kernel is showing last ipl also when ....
* Email                       : ...

What do you think about such a poll ??? I hope we won't discuss this
problem more that it is necessary.

I really want to get 2.4.x kernel working on my amiga, then I'll be
able to start writing driver.

Regards
Krystian Baclawski

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Andreas <an...@po...>]

Hi

> On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 23:06, Rene Brothuhn wrote:
>> On 2002.07.10 21:30 Michel D=E4nzer wrote:
>>>> As far as I know there is possibility to make poll on linux-apus.sf.=
net
>>>> page. Who is an administrator for this web page ???
>>>=20
>>> Me, Alan and a couple others I think. Alan, do you want to do this? I=
IRC
>>> you talked about making polls a long time ago...
>>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Hello!
>>=20
>> As I see, linux-apus.sf.net runs on PHP. I know some PHP programming, =
so=20
>> maybe I can help a lot?
>=20
> The sourceforge software already has polls built in, we just need to se=
t
> them up. If nobody with the necessary rights wants to do it, I can give
> you those rights.

Hmm, I don't want to be subversive, it is all nice and ok to set up a pol=
l,
but I wonder how much it would actually report about the current situtati=
on.
First, I don't know how much folks is lurking around at apus at sourcefor=
ge,
or are just waiting (like me) for the nice automatically generated mail b=
y
sourceforge which says "Project "Linux/APUS Kernel" ('linux-apus') has re=
leased
the new version of package '2.4 Kernel'. You can download it.."

Second, the poll options have to be chosen very carefully. Because, does =
it
have any use if we know, well 40 users have problems with booting and are
frozen after the ipl's, and 45 users have problems using the glint driver=
 (to
also tackle this problems [yes, I am also hit by this bug]) . It
may be more useful if we would know about their hardware config, and what
exactly they are doing. So it should be something like: "Please do this p=
oll,
but, IF you are experience problems DO ALSO report them including your ex=
act
systems configuration to linuxapus-dev.."

Or maybe a poll with some options like:

- "ide freezes on A1200"
- "ide freezes on A4000"

And at best something where you could chose multiple options, so you coul=
d
supplement the information given above with, e.g.:

- "freezes on bootup"
- "freezes by chance"
- "just spits out messages accidentally but doesn't freeze"

Or also a feedback form resembling to the bug report form, but with the
machine options and some other thing hardcoded into listviews or somethin=
g
similar, which automatically sends the reports to linuapus-dev.

And, at last, we also need people capable of solving the problems.
The current situation seems to be that people who experience the very
hard problems have no idea about fixing them, and the people who could fi=
x
them don't experience them and can't do anything with only the informatio=
n
from mails.

To shortly summarize: glint troubles only seem to happen on A4000 machine=
s,
the ide probs mostly on A1200 (altough this may be because there are a lo=
t
more A1200's out there).

--=20
Best wishes,
Andi

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Michel <mi...@da...>]

On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 23:06, Rene Brothuhn wrote:
> On 2002.07.10 21:30 Michel D=E4nzer wrote:
> > > As far as I know there is possibility to make poll on linux-apus.sf.n=
et
> > > page. Who is an administrator for this web page ???
> >=20
> > Me, Alan and a couple others I think. Alan, do you want to do this? IIR=
C
> > you talked about making polls a long time ago...
> >=20
>=20
>=20
> Hello!
>=20
> As I see, linux-apus.sf.net runs on PHP. I know some PHP programming, so=20
> maybe I can help a lot?

The sourceforge software already has polls built in, we just need to set
them up. If nobody with the necessary rights wants to do it, I can give
you those rights.


--=20
Earthling Michel D=E4nzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
XFree86 and DRI project member   /  CS student, Free Software enthusiast

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Rene B. <re...@we...>]

On 2002.07.10 21:30 Michel D=E4nzer wrote:
> > As far as I know there is possibility to make poll on linux-apus.sf.n=
et
> > page. Who is an administrator for this web page ???
>=20
> Me, Alan and a couple others I think. Alan, do you want to do this? IIR=
C
> you talked about making polls a long time ago...
>=20


Hello!

As I see, linux-apus.sf.net runs on PHP. I know some PHP programming, so=20
maybe I can help a lot?


Ciao Rene

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Roman Z. <zi...@li...>]

Hi,

"Krystian Bac=B3awski" wrote:

> Yep, exactly. I found lines that produce it in arch/ppc/setup.c or
> apus_setup.c. But I don't know much about kernel organisation. Ush. I'l=
l
> have to read a little about it.

Someone who has access to the hardware has to debug this. I can help,
but I don't have the time for "remote" kernel debugging.

bye, Roman

Re: last_ipl problem and proposal for poll

[Michel <mi...@da...>]

On Tue, 2002-07-09 at 13:17, Krystian Bac=B3awski wrote:=20
> > > Yes I think you're right. But there is a big problem, I cannot even s=
tart
> > > linux with kernel 2.4 on my amiga. It hangs up after ide setup, and I=
 have
> >=20
> > 2.4.13 works.  anything after doesnt?  yes, this has got me too :-(
> >=20
> > last_ipl[] -2 2 3 -3 2 2 2 2 -3 3
> >=20
> > etc etc is the last two lines you see before nothing else?  yes, same p=
roblem
>=20
> Yep, exactly. I found lines that produce it in arch/ppc/setup.c or
> apus_setup.c. But I don't know much about kernel organisation. Ush. I'll
> have to read a little about it.

I think Roman added this output to aid debugging.


> > some people dont have this issue (I'd like to know detailed desciption
> > of what hardware and PPC firmware they are using). others say it
> > carries on booting after waiting 20 seconds.... it doesnt here... it do=
esnt
> > boot after waiting 10 minutes or more :-|
>=20
> Maybe we should make a poll and ask apus user that use gayle/fastata,
> who suffer from this problem. I propose to ask user:
>=20
> * what turbocard do they have (blizzardppc/cyberstormppc)
> * what version of mainboard do they have (me A1200 rev.2B)
> * what version of kernel they tried to make working
> * whether kernel starts, waits for about 10-20 seconds, or doesn't work
> completely
> * ...
>=20
> Maybe it's hardware specific problem...
>=20
> As far as I know there is possibility to make poll on linux-apus.sf.net
> page. Who is an administrator for this web page ???

Me, Alan and a couple others I think. Alan, do you want to do this? IIRC
you talked about making polls a long time ago...


--=20
Earthling Michel D=E4nzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
XFree86 and DRI project member   /  CS student, Free Software enthusiast

Re: Ooops in 2.2.10 char/rtc.c

[Ken T. <ke...@we...>]

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Rene Brothuhn wrote:

> On 2002.07.09 16:16 Alan Buxey wrote:

Hello,

I'm running 2.4.18 on a A4000 with 604e, boots and runs fine, I see

Jul 10 07:45:09 enigma kernel: last_ipl[2] already set to 2f, now 2d!
Jul 10 07:45:09 enigma kernel: 7056736: 3 -3 3 -3 3 -3 3 -3 3 -3 3 -3 2 3  -3 2

if it means anything.

Ken.

Re: Ooops in 2.2.10 char/rtc.c

[Rene B. <re...@we...>]

On 2002.07.09 16:16 Alan Buxey wrote:
> hi,
>=20
> > I also getting these last_ipl[] outputs, mostly on boot, mostly on sh=
ut
> > down and sometimes between. I think I have it since 2.4.14 but not
> sure.
> > I simply comment out the printk`s in apus_setup.c (to get rid of it)
> > because the kernel seems otherwise working perfect.
>=20
> I've recently read a thread which states that 603e was
> IMPROVED after 2.4.13 kernel.   now....this information coupled
> with the fact that APUS doesnt boot since 2.4.13 makes me worry.
> I thought it may have been some IDE thing...but ...

Hi, Alan!

I'm not sure if I understand you right (I am only a german...). But I use=
=20
a 604e@200MHz with CV-PPC and booting from IDE. All seems working fine,=20
but the last_ipl[] outputs. As far as I know, there are some differences=20
between 603e and 604e (the MMU?).
By the way, I have other problems (many segmentation faults) that may be=20
kernel related or related to this issue.

As Krystian Baclawski say, we should do a poll. I last mentioned that we=20
should also make a poll for X4-server crashes on some machines using the=20
glint-driver. Michel said, it is able to do a poll on sf.net. How?


Ciao, Ren=E8