Re: [Jython-dev] Jython 2.1a3 on j2sdk1.4.0beta

[Titus B. <ti...@ca...>]

-> Interestingly, I attended the recent Washington, DC Zope/Python
-> User's Group meeting and mentioned that I'm new to both
-> Python (through Jython) and Zope.  One of the guys from
-> Digital Creations immediately piped up with "Great!  You
-> can do the Zope jython port!"  When I quizzed him on whether
-> there *was* a jython port, he smirked; they seemed to believe
-> that it was a> unnecessary and b> very hard/impossible,
-> a> because of their perception that Java is overhyped and slow
-> and b> because of the complexity of the C code behind Zope.

I would have to agree with the "slow" comment, but Zope is hardly
a prize-winning racecar either... of course, I doubt the Python
class manipulation is going to get any faster in Jython!

My understanding -- correct me if it differs from reality! -- is that
Zope's C code is primarily in the area of medusa, their request-handling
front-end.  So, if you can figure out how to disentangle Zope from medusa,
it shouldn't be too hard to whip up something that works.

And, if you can do that, let me know, too, because I set out to do
something like it a loong time ago, but within Python.  I wanted
to hook Zope up to PyWX, an embedding of Python in AOLserver,
but failed.  The frustration caused by the attempt comes through in my
Zope Is Evil page (zope-is-evil-666.idyll.org)...

-> Isn't that what they said about the feasibility of implementing
-> JPython, too?

Also see my "Zope is Evil" page for mild commentary about the smugness of
Zopatistas ;).

--titus