Re: [Jython-dev] Status of Jython 2.7

[Jim B. <jb...@zy...>]

Glad I could help! I also recommend that anyone who has questions use our
IRC channel at #jython Someone is usually there, and if not we almost
always look at the backlog. This is a great way to engage with the
developers.

Next, there is a write up of what you need to use trunk:
https://wiki.python.org/jython/JythonDeveloperGuide

Finally, just looking at the volume of commits should indicate that this
project is quite alive, even if progress is (as might expected) slower than
what we would all want.

- Jim


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Matthias F. Brandstetter
<ha...@gm...>wrote:

> Hello Jim,
>
> Thank you very much for your quick reply.
> And sorry for not looking at the mailing list archives.
>
> What you say sounds quite well, I am glad the project is not dead and that
> you estimate the next beta within the next weeks. Also, your idea of using
> trunk directly instead of the latest beta sounds well.
>
> However, I have never used the latest Jython sources so far, only the
> pre-build jar packages. Would you be so kind guiding me a bit through what
> I need to do to build the Jython jar file from the latest hg trunk sources
> on my own? Or are there any dev docs on this already somewhere?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
>
> On 20 March 2014 16:17, Jim Baker <jb...@zy...> wrote:
>
>> We just discussed timelines on the mailing list:
>> http://sourceforge.net/p/jython/mailman/message/32116603/
>>
>> Next I will try to answer your specific
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Matthias F. Brandstetter <
>> ha...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am both a Python and Java developer, so am *really* thankful for your
>>> idea of putting both guys into one boat. That's why I am using Jython for
>>> several smaller projects now.
>>>
>>> However, as I can see the last beta release of Jython 2.7 has been from
>>> over a year now, and I can't find any recent news on this. So I have two
>>> questions:
>>>
>>> 1.) Are there any plans or is there a roadmap for when you estimate to
>>> release a stable version of Jython 2.7? I understand if you can't give any
>>> exact dates, but is it more like "about 1 month", "somewhere in 2014", or
>>> anything else?
>>>
>>
>> In 2014 - I cannot see why this will not be the case. The next beta
>> really should be in the next few weeks at most. After that we should have
>> at least one more beta, plus release candidates. As I mentioned in the
>> quote thread above, fully supporting socket/select/ssl has really delayed
>> things for us. But it's almost there. As of yesterday, I was getting 83%+
>> of the tests in test_socket running - and these really do test corner
>> cases. (Yes, it is possible to use UDP in a connected fashion through the
>> socket API...) So I'm still on target for 100% by end of this week.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2.) Until then, how "save" is it to use the last beta version of Jython
>>> 2.7, can I use it for production systems? And is there also a documentation
>>> section for 2.7 beta? I have only found docs for 2.5 so far.
>>>
>>
>> You may find Jython 2.7b1 suitable for your usage now. Perhaps you don't
>> need pip. But we consider support of pip and the overall Python ecosystem
>> what makes Jython quite useful: it's compatible with regular Python
>> (factoring out any nonported libraries based on C extensions, at least
>> before we have JyNI) and its tools, but you get to run it on the Java
>> environment.
>>
>> One thing you can do to figure out your decision is to look at the
>> commits:
>> http://hg.python.org/jython; there has been a fair amount of work since "Prepare
>> for 2.7b1 <http://hg.python.org/jython/rev/53ae75d23e28>" 13 months ago.
>>
>> Given that nothing is committed against trunk that has not improved
>> Jython and has corresponding unit tests to back up that claim, you may find
>> using trunk makes sense. This is especially the case if you are interested
>> exploring the suitability of Jython for a larger project.
>>
>> That's the case for me. I want a stable release for any production usage
>> (unit tests are great but not perfect), but I know 2.7.0 is going to be
>> extraordinarily close to what it is now. That means it's reasonable to
>> develop against Jython trunk now.
>>
>> - Jim
>>
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> Matthias F. Brandstetter
> ha...@gm...
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