Re: [Jython-users] Eclipse and Jython/Python

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Hi Kevin: Thanks for the update. I've been embedding Jython in my 
TestMaker open-source project for the past year with great success. 
(Details at http://www.pushtotest.com.) TestMaker is built on NetBeans. 
NB provides the GUI elements, file navigator and a good script editor. 
In addition to writing test agents in Jython the scripting language can 
access all of NB's objects. So a by-product is that NB gets its own 
script/macro language. Eclipse would benefit in the same way. Plus, in 
my opinion Eclipse is becoming bloated with so many disparate plug-ins 
that it needs a script language to show some synergy between the 
plug-ins.

Here's what I think would be involved with adding Jython to Eclipse:
1) Embed the Jython interperter (very easy)
2) Write a simple support object in Java that provides a gateway to the 
Eclipse APIs.
3) Write Jython syntax highlighting and code lookup (not easy in 
Eclipse)
4) Write 5-10 sample Jython scripts that demonstrate the Eclipse 
environment and how to call Eclipse APIs.
5) Write an article for IBM developerWorks explaining the project, 
benefits and tutorial.
6) Write a book: Jython on Eclipse for SAMS (well maybe I'm getting 
carried away. hehe)

None of this is particularly difficult, but it does take a lot of time. 
I'm overcommitted to PushToTest.com projects, but I would like to help. 
If someone else wants to take on the code writing I would be available 
to write the supporting articles and docs.

-Frank

On Wednesday, May 7, 2003, at 03:55 PM, Kevin Altis wrote:

>> From: Updike, Clark
>>
>> Would you mind updating the jython-user list with a post regarding the
>> status of your efforts to-date to start up a jython plug-in for
>> eclipse with
>> the eclipse folks?  It seems like there is a lot of interest at
>> the moment.
>>
>> TIA,
>> Clark
>
> Last week quite a few Jython users sent me replies (some privately and 
> some
> to the list) expressing interest in Jython/Python/Eclipse integration.
> [Rather than repeatedly saying Jython/Python below I'll just say 
> Jython, but
> many of the issues are also applicable to C Python.] Those ideas need 
> to be
> discussed on the mailing list and captured on one or more web pages. To
> start the process, I went ahead and created a wiki page on python.org 
> as a
> placeholder. Please add to the page.
>
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EclipsePythonIntegration
>
> I talked to Paul Buck, Director of Eclipse Development at IBM last 
> Friday.
> The call went extremely well. Paul said that he thought full Jython 
> support
> was a good idea, but he could not commit his team or other IBM 
> employees at
> this time to do the work. OTOH, he was willing to create a Jython 
> Eclipse
> sub-project and have his team provide technical support and 
> information to
> whoever heads up the project. The C/C++ Development Tools sub-project 
> might
> be a good example to follow.
>
>   http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/
>
> The overall tone of the conversation was one of eagerness to help 
> facilitate
> making it happen, but at this early stage he couldn't commit any of 
> his team
> members to writing code for it. He was also interested in embedding 
> Jython,
> though he was not that familiar with Jython.
>
> The issue was raised about how much interest there was for this 
> project both
> for Jython users and existing Eclipse users. I said that there was a 
> high
> interest level on the Jython side of the fence but that many 
> Java/Eclipse
> users might not be familiar with Jython or Python or understand the 
> value of
> Jython support in Eclipse, so we probably need to get at least a rough 
> first
> pass done for the benefits to be more obvious. At that time, IBM might 
> want
> to commit some of its own resources to furthering the project.
>
> Paul asked if I would be interested in taking the technical lead to 
> make it
> happen. I declined because I don't have the right skill set, but I 
> said I
> would try and find one or more people to get the project started. Any
> volunteers? I emailed Paul links for more info on Jython as well as 
> the two
> projects I could find that are relevant. We need to know the current 
> state
> of the two projects below as well as any other Eclipse/Jython projects 
> I
> might have missed.
>
> PyEclipse is a Python plugin for the Eclipse platform
>   http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyeclipse/
>
> Python Editor for Eclipse (Pe4elcipse) is an Eclipse platform plugin 
> for
> editing and debugging Python applications.
>   http://sourceforge.net/projects/pe4eclipse
>
> After my phone call with Paul, I talked to Jim Hugunin at Xerox PARC. 
> Jim
> also said that he thought Jython integration and full Jython support 
> inside
> Eclipse was a great idea, but he stressed the need for a lead 
> developer to
> make it happen and said that due to other research commitments, he was
> unable to participate.
>
> Samuele Pedroni sent me a detailed list of issues and ideas offlist. 
> I'll
> let him repost those to the list and wiki rather than taking his 
> points out
> of context.
>
> I don't think I could have hoped for a better first conversation with 
> Paul.
> If we want this to happen, the ball is in our court and one or more
> volunteers can take it to the next level.
>
> ka
>
>> ref:
>> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=2044937&for
>> um_id=5586
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kevin Altis [mailto:al...@se...]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 3:14 PM
>> To: jyt...@li...
>> Subject: [Jython-users] Eclipse and Jython/Python
>>
>>
>> I would like to hear from anyone ASAP that is using Eclipse or
>> would like to
>> use Eclipse with Python/Jython.
>>
>>   http://www.eclipse.org/
>>
>> I think it would be great to get full syntactic support for 
>> Jython/Python
>> and have Jython embedded into Eclipse. Since Jim Hugunin is
>> listed as one of
>> the Eclipse sub-project leads I figure at least some people involved 
>> with
>> Eclipse might be sympathetic to this idea, but I have not been
>> able to reach
>> Jim yet, so I don't know what he thinks.
>>
>>   http://www.eclipse.org/technology/team-leaders.html
>>
>> I have arranged a brief phone call with Paul Buck, Director of Eclipse
>> Development at IBM on Friday, May 2nd to discuss the idea.
>>
>>   http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2003/view/e_spkr/1529
>>
>> I would appreciate feedback before Thursday, May 1st if you would 
>> like to
>> see this happen. In particular, I need a specific list of benefits to 
>> Java
>> and Jython/Python programmers if they had full Jython/Python
>> syntax support
>> and the ability to use Jython from with Eclipse. I have some
>> general benefit
>> points, but I don't program in Java day-to-day so people on this
>> list should
>> be able to give me better specifics.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ka
>> ---
>> Kevin Altis
>> al...@se...
>> http://altis.pycs.net/
>> http://www.pythoncard.org/
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