From: Craig W <cod...@gm...> - 2006-11-14 17:27:19
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Is Jython being updated to support the new Python 2.5? Just curious if it will support the newest changes. thanks |
From: Leo U. <leo...@ya...> - 2006-11-14 17:36:21
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At the current rate it will take 15 years to get to 2.5(5 years per .1 upgrade). I heard rumours yesterday on the dev list that 2.2 is close to beta, just needs a slots implementation. Also, I saw the JRuby dude Charles Oliver Nutter offer time to help out on Jython. Maybe when there are folks who can work on Jython full time we will see an acceleration in the development of Jython. leouser --- Craig W <cod...@gm...> wrote: > Is Jython being updated to support the new Python > 2.5? Just curious if it > will support the newest changes. > > thanks > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > SF.net email is sponsored by: A Better Job is > Waiting for You - Find it Now. > Check out Slashdot's new job board. Browse through > tons of technical jobs > posted by companies looking to hire people just like > you. > http://jobs.slashdot.org/> _______________________________________________ > Jython-users mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com |
From: Charlie G. <cha...@gm...> - 2006-11-15 04:03:12
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It is. As Leo snarkily indicated, it's taking a while to get from 2.1 to 2.2. Unlike him I'm pretty sure the pace is going to pick up dramatically once 2.2 gets out there, full time developers or no. It is still far enough out that there's no way to say how long it'll be though. Charlie On 11/14/06, Craig W <cod...@gm...> wrote: > Is Jython being updated to support the new Python 2.5? Just curious if it > will support the newest changes. > > thanks > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > SF.net email is sponsored by: A Better Job is Waiting for You - Find it Now. > Check out Slashdot's new job board. Browse through tons of technical jobs > posted by companies looking to hire people just like you. > http://jobs.slashdot.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jython-users mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users > > > |
From: Leo U. <leo...@ya...> - 2006-11-15 15:19:17
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I would be ecstatic if the pace did pick up. Are there enough folks in the background working on this that things are going to go a little bit faster? Maybe part of the problem is communication between developers as to who is working on what. I was a little surprised to read that 2.2 beta was being held back because the slots mechanism wasn't in place and the developer who was looking at it wasn't sure if he was going to get back to it or not(yikes). I remember earlier this year someone from the community offered to do some project management for jython, maybe that should have been accepted? It sounds like Franz, who I believe is the project leader, isn't going to have time for Jython for awhile. If there was someone who was just dedicated to overseeing that things were being worked on by some generous individual, it could help pick up the slack when central players have other obligations. leouser --- Charlie Groves <cha...@gm...> wrote: > It is. As Leo snarkily indicated, it's taking a > while to get from 2.1 > to 2.2. Unlike him I'm pretty sure the pace is going > to pick up > dramatically once 2.2 gets out there, full time > developers or no. It > is still far enough out that there's no way to say > how long it'll be > though. > > Charlie > > On 11/14/06, Craig W <cod...@gm...> wrote: > > Is Jython being updated to support the new Python > 2.5? Just curious if it > > will support the newest changes. > > > > thanks > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > SF.net email is sponsored by: A Better Job is > Waiting for You - Find it Now. > > Check out Slashdot's new job board. Browse through > tons of technical jobs > > posted by companies looking to hire people just > like you. > > http://jobs.slashdot.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jython-users mailing list > > Jyt...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get > the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief > surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Jython-users mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Don't quit your job - take classes online www.Classesusa.com |
From: Charlie G. <cha...@gm...> - 2006-11-15 15:54:28
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On 11/15/06, Leo User <leo...@ya...> wrote: > I would be ecstatic if the pace did pick up. Are > there enough folks in the background working on this > that things are going to go a little bit faster? The number of people working on Jython hasn't changed since Matt, Khalid and I were made committers as far as I know. The reason I feel relatively certain things will pick up after 2.2 is that the addition of new style classes from 2.1 to 2.2 was a big change for Python and an even bigger change for Jython. The 2.2 to 2.3 changes are much smaller at the core language level. > Maybe part of the problem is communication between > developers as to who is working on what. I was a > little surprised to read that 2.2 beta was being held > back because the slots mechanism wasn't in place and > the developer who was looking at it wasn't sure if he > was going to get back to it or not(yikes). I remember > earlier this year someone from the community offered > to do some project management for jython, maybe that > should have been accepted? It sounds like Franz, who > I believe is the project leader, isn't going to have > time for Jython for awhile. If there was someone who > was just dedicated to overseeing that things were > being worked on by some generous individual, it could > help pick up the slack when central players have other > obligations. There's not much that a project manager could've done here unless they could've actually produced a person to do the work. While Frank has been too busy to do any coding on Jython for a while, he's still guiding the project. Charlie |
From: Leo U. <leo...@ya...> - 2006-11-15 16:12:08
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--- Charlie Groves <cha...@gm...> wrote: > On 11/15/06, Leo User <leo...@ya...> wrote: > > Maybe part of the problem is communication between > > developers as to who is working on what. I was a > > little surprised to read that 2.2 beta was being > held > > back because the slots mechanism wasn't in place > and > > the developer who was looking at it wasn't sure if > he > > was going to get back to it or not(yikes). I > remember > > earlier this year someone from the community > offered > > to do some project management for jython, maybe > that > > should have been accepted? It sounds like Franz, > who > > I believe is the project leader, isn't going to > have > > time for Jython for awhile. If there was someone > who > > was just dedicated to overseeing that things were > > being worked on by some generous individual, it > could > > help pick up the slack when central players have > other > > obligations. > > There's not much that a project manager could've > done here unless they > could've actually produced a person to do the work. > While Frank has > been too busy to do any coding on Jython for a > while, he's still > guiding the project. > > Charlie > Well, yes that's the point of having someone who tries to find developers to do this. I don't understand why there has to be such a small group of developers working on this. Just from watching the JRuby list, it seems like there are alot more people involved and I don't know why. I can't remember who it was that wanted to help out in the "jython project management" but I don't think his interest should have been poo-pooed. He seemed interested in acquiring new developers to work on the project. leouser ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre |
From: Leo U. <leo...@ya...> - 2006-11-15 16:44:18
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Whatever happened to the Python grant to get this project completed? leouser ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link $200,000 mortgage for $660/ mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt - http://yahoo.ratemarketplace.com |
From: Charles O. N. <cha...@su...> - 2006-11-15 19:25:40
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Leo User wrote: > Well, yes that's the point of having someone who tries > to find developers to do this. I don't understand why > there has to be such a small group of developers > working on this. Just from watching the JRuby list, > it seems like there are alot more people involved and > I don't know why. I can't remember who it was that > wanted to help out in the "jython project management" > but I don't think his interest should have been > poo-pooed. He seemed interested in acquiring new > developers to work on the project. My guess is that it's a matter of perception. The world thinks Jython is "dead" especially with the publicity surrounding Jim Hugunin's move to Microsoft and the recent IronPython release. People don't generally try to jump in and help dead projects (present company excluded, of course). As others have commented, getting a release out would be a big help. More publicity in general would also be great. I'll try to get the word out around Sun and on my blog that Jython is trying to get back up and running...there's gotta be enough Python+Java devs out there that some would want to jump in and help. -- Charles Oliver Nutter, JRuby Core Developer Blogging on Ruby and Java @ headius.blogspot.com Help spec out Ruby today! @ www.headius.com/rubyspec he...@he... -- cha...@su... |
From: Leo U. <leo...@ya...> - 2006-11-15 19:40:30
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Well yes perception does help. When jython was "rebooted" by Brian Zimmer I had the sense that this thing was going to happen. I was just looking at the original proposal and it looks like he wanted to have the final released in November 05. Apparently having Zimmer leave the project and not adding a developer has derailed this process. On the other hand Ive seen bursts occasionally on this mailing list where people are interested in helping, but I guess those opportunities are not exploited. leouser --- Charles Oliver Nutter <cha...@su...> wrote: > Leo User wrote: > > Well, yes that's the point of having someone who > tries > > to find developers to do this. I don't understand > why > > there has to be such a small group of developers > > working on this. Just from watching the JRuby > list, > > it seems like there are alot more people involved > and > > I don't know why. I can't remember who it was > that > > wanted to help out in the "jython project > management" > > but I don't think his interest should have been > > poo-pooed. He seemed interested in acquiring new > > developers to work on the project. > > My guess is that it's a matter of perception. The > world thinks Jython is > "dead" especially with the publicity surrounding Jim > Hugunin's move to > Microsoft and the recent IronPython release. People > don't generally try > to jump in and help dead projects (present company > excluded, of course). > As others have commented, getting a release out > would be a big help. > More publicity in general would also be great. > > I'll try to get the word out around Sun and on my > blog that Jython is > trying to get back up and running...there's gotta be > enough Python+Java > devs out there that some would want to jump in and > help. > > -- > Charles Oliver Nutter, JRuby Core Developer > Blogging on Ruby and Java @ headius.blogspot.com > Help spec out Ruby today! @ www.headius.com/rubyspec > he...@he... -- cha...@su... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get > the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief > surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Jython-users mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Compare mortgage rates for today. Get up to 5 free quotes. Www2.nextag.com |
From: Timothy F. <ti...@di...> - 2006-11-16 03:15:12
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My name is Tim Freund, and I'm a python/java developer -- I've been lurking on the list for about the last month. I joined the mailing list after I learned about the new javax.script package that is in Java 1.6. I have started working on something that will connect a javax.script.ScriptEngine to any number of input/output streams (currently telnet and jabber, more to come) to provide a REPL for running Java applications -- useful for learning, debugging, and administration. Of course, I'd like Jython supported in addition to the default JavaScript. I have been writing python and java for years now, but I'm new to the Jython code -- if there are any open tickets that would be especially suitable for a newbie, let me know and I'll take a crack at them. Thanks, Tim Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: > Leo User wrote: >> Well, yes that's the point of having someone who tries >> to find developers to do this. I don't understand why >> there has to be such a small group of developers >> working on this. Just from watching the JRuby list, >> it seems like there are alot more people involved and >> I don't know why. I can't remember who it was that >> wanted to help out in the "jython project management" >> but I don't think his interest should have been >> poo-pooed. He seemed interested in acquiring new >> developers to work on the project. > > My guess is that it's a matter of perception. The world thinks Jython is > "dead" especially with the publicity surrounding Jim Hugunin's move to > Microsoft and the recent IronPython release. People don't generally try > to jump in and help dead projects (present company excluded, of course). > As others have commented, getting a release out would be a big help. > More publicity in general would also be great. > > I'll try to get the word out around Sun and on my blog that Jython is > trying to get back up and running...there's gotta be enough Python+Java > devs out there that some would want to jump in and help. > -- Timothy Freund http://digital-achievement.com http://tim.freunds.net/thoughts |
From: Charlie G. <cha...@gm...> - 2006-11-16 15:41:42
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Hi Tim, You may already be aware of https://scripting.dev.java.net/, but if you're not, it contains an implementation of a JSR 223 ScriptEngine for Jython. As far as starting on Jython, I just added http://wiki.python.org/jython/JythonDeveloperGuide/PortingPythonModulesToJython to the wiki. It describes how to port a Python module written in C to Java for Jython. That should be a pretty good starting point. I'd setup a 2.3 development environment as described in http://wiki.python.org/jython/JythonDeveloperGuide and then start working through the porting page. Please let us know on the dev list if you have any problems and if you start working on a module. Have fun, Charlie On 11/15/06, Timothy Freund <ti...@di...> wrote: > My name is Tim Freund, and I'm a python/java developer -- I've been > lurking on the list for about the last month. I joined the mailing list > after I learned about the new javax.script package that is in Java 1.6. > > I have started working on something that will connect a > javax.script.ScriptEngine to any number of input/output streams > (currently telnet and jabber, more to come) to provide a REPL for > running Java applications -- useful for learning, debugging, and > administration. Of course, I'd like Jython supported in addition to the > default JavaScript. > > I have been writing python and java for years now, but I'm new to the > Jython code -- if there are any open tickets that would be especially > suitable for a newbie, let me know and I'll take a crack at them. > > Thanks, > > Tim > > > Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: > > Leo User wrote: > >> Well, yes that's the point of having someone who tries > >> to find developers to do this. I don't understand why > >> there has to be such a small group of developers > >> working on this. Just from watching the JRuby list, > >> it seems like there are alot more people involved and > >> I don't know why. I can't remember who it was that > >> wanted to help out in the "jython project management" > >> but I don't think his interest should have been > >> poo-pooed. He seemed interested in acquiring new > >> developers to work on the project. > > > > My guess is that it's a matter of perception. The world thinks Jython is > > "dead" especially with the publicity surrounding Jim Hugunin's move to > > Microsoft and the recent IronPython release. People don't generally try > > to jump in and help dead projects (present company excluded, of course). > > As others have commented, getting a release out would be a big help. > > More publicity in general would also be great. > > > > I'll try to get the word out around Sun and on my blog that Jython is > > trying to get back up and running...there's gotta be enough Python+Java > > devs out there that some would want to jump in and help. > > > > -- > Timothy Freund > http://digital-achievement.com > http://tim.freunds.net/thoughts > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Jython-users mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users > |