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[jazzplusplus-devel] Donald's Patches

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

Donald,

Sorry I'm falling behind on the documentation patches you have been 
sending.  I am having a problem applying them.  Maybe you haven't 
updated recently?  Could you do me the following favor...

1. Update your working copy.
2. Resolve any conflicts.
3. Send me a cumulative patch based on the resulting working copy.

Thanks,
Pete

[jazzplusplus-devel] Question about jazz.tex

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings,

I've been spending most of he current time reformatting
the user manual as defined by jazz.tex -- the copy I have 
here actually looks more like a user manual in layout. I'm sort
of waiting for the last lot of patches I submitted to make it
into the tree so I can incorporate them into the revised layout
(and then I'll know where to link the htdocs to as well ;-)

My question here is about jazz.tex itself -- well actually, it's
more about tex/latex really...and remember, noodles here 
knows that much about tex/latex, I didn't even have it 
installed here, so everything is news to me..

Typically speaking, I might use any text editor to write
the actual text, but what is useful (very much so for the
purposes of layout) is one or another GUI frontend to
the tex/latex toolkit. Thus far, I've given the programs
'texmaker' (OS independant) and 'Kile' a try (yes, KDE
app). Both of these look, feel and behave in similar ways.

Now...after a brief perusal of these pograms' docs, it seems
entirely possible to meld tex2rtf into the setup, and have it
as the default document creation utility in such GUI tex/latex
 editors, and that would lend some parity here with the jazz+=
tree itself....but..

When using such programs, and trying to build documentation
from the jazz.tex file, the process comes to a grinding halt,
because the inbuilt checker/parser howls about tex/latex format
error in the jazz.tex file. It suggests that there are syntax errors
in the file, however such doesn't seem to bother tex2rtf - it
never complains about jazz.tex having such errors...why is this?

All I'm thinking here, is that seeing I'm working on what I am with
jazz.tex, -if- there are any 'real' errors in the file that should be
corrected, they should happen _now_ if possible. Any clues,
comments or thoughts?

Regards,


Donald B



 

 




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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Starting jackd on Mandriva

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 03:49:59 -0700
> Subject: Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Starting jackd on Mandriva
> 
> Donald,
> 
> I've attached a Fedora 9 version of the config file for your analysis.
> 
> Pete

Thanks for this -- it appears the Fedora crew have used the same
patch-set as they did on their previous release using linux-2.6.22-xxx

I'm moving most of this linux RT/lowlatency stuff down into the newly
created manual appendix area.  This is because...

[from www.linuxsymposium.org]

"  Over the past few years, Ingo Molnar and others have worked diligently
 to turn the Linux kernel into a viable Real-Time platform. Today it is reaching
 maturity and is making its way into the upstream kernel. Commercial companies
 are placing more pressure on distributions to offer a Real-Time Linux variant."

The patch-set Fedora are using, includes elements of Ingo Molnar's RT patches,
and so would seem to confirm this observation. I don't subscribe to LKML (too
much traffic), but I can see this RT/lowlatency issue in linux kernels is going to
slowly slip out of view...and thus become a 'legacy' issue ...(I hope)


Regards,

Donald B


PS: Today, it seems my son has broken his foot {skateboarding}, so Kevin's not 
the only one with 'parental challenges' right now  ;-)






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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Expanding concept of 'default' MIDI test-kit

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greets,

----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 03:34:39 -0700
> Subject: Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Expanding concept of 'default' MIDI	test-kit
> 
> DM = D.B. Moore
> DM> What we need now, is a soundfont constant.
> DM>
> DM> Once we have that, we can more or less
> DM> be sure that using jazz++ to play jazz.mid using
> DM> jack/fluidsynth/qsynth as output with a specific
> DM> soundfont file loaded is going to represent the
> DM> same -system- load in all cases. Close anyhow.
> DM>
> DM> What do we think?
> 
> I've been using different soundfonts on different machines.
> 
> On Fedora 8 I used a provided package...
> 
> PersonalCopy-Lite-soundfont-4.1-3.fc8.noarch
> 
> I obtained a free set from
> 
> http://www.digitalsoundfactory.com/free-soundfonts/product_info.php/products_id/206
> 
> for the Mandrive box.
> 
> I don't have a clue what the best choice would be.
> Pete

Thanks for this info, I'll put it to good use. Regarding exactly which
would be the best soundfont choice...yes, it's hard to conclude an 
exact soundfont to use, because there can be a considerable variance
in quality between one .sf2 file to another. For the purposes of docs
and examples therein, I'm defaulting to the 'jazz.mid' midifile, and so
essentially the soundfont chosen should make this composition sound
like the next MIDI top-10 hit....

I'll do some testing and burn some bandwidth downloading some GM/GS
soundfonts until I find something most suitable. Then, I'll upload same to
you and you can check it against your system setups (including Mac?)

Btw, does your Windows install entertain soundfont loading, or....?


Regards,

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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Starting jackd on Mandriva

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

Donald,

I've attached a Fedora 9 version of the config file for your analysis.

Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Expanding concept of 'default' MIDI test-kit

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

DM = D.B. Moore
DM> What we need now, is a soundfont constant.
DM>
DM> Once we have that, we can more or less
DM> be sure that using jazz++ to play jazz.mid using
DM> jack/fluidsynth/qsynth as output with a specific
DM> soundfont file loaded is going to represent the
DM> same -system- load in all cases. Close anyhow.
DM>
DM> What do we think?

I've been using different soundfonts on different machines.

On Fedora 8 I used a provided package...

PersonalCopy-Lite-soundfont-4.1-3.fc8.noarch

I obtained a free set from

http://www.digitalsoundfactory.com/free-soundfonts/product_info.php/products_id/206

for the Mandrive box.

I don't have a clue what the best choice would be.
Pete

[jazzplusplus-devel] Note regarding Docs

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings,

          Pete, I notice you've been a busy little bee
with the code....great work!


Regarding the manual and furthering your words
of  "edit it however you see fit"....

I did ask (in another [perhaps private] ) email 
you about the manual (jazz.tex) structure itself.

I've concluded to restructure the entire document
so it is a more logically progressive layout, and so
easier for people to navigate. At least, that's the 
plan. I'm currently redressing the formal order ;
the main goal is to keep the Jazz++ manual focused
on Jazz++ itself, and not diverge into OS/platform
specifics inside the manual body proper.

Those platform/OS specific things I'm planning to
move into the Appendix, where they'll be sectionalized
and labeled so they can be hot-linked from the main
text body -and- appear on the main contents page.
This will give people the most flexibility when it comes
to using the manual - (it willalso aid the htdocs/documentation
page to link-out as well)....

There are a couple of my patches pending for the docs,
which you've either seen and plan to deal with later
'coz you're concentrating on code, or which you haven't
seen 'coz your ISP has vetted them -- so this is just FYI


Regards,


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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Successful Jazz++ build and run on Ubuntu 7.10

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greets,

----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:17:03 -0700
> Subject: Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Successful Jazz++ build and run on Ubuntu	7.10
> 
> PS = Pete Stieber
> PS>> Just wanted to report this.  Unfortunately, the
> PS>> qjackctl/qsynth/Jazz++ playback exhibited more
> PS>> latency problems than I have heard on any other
> PS>> distribution/OS.
> 
> DM = D.B. Moore
> DM> Oh dear....I was expecting this of sorts. There are
> DM> a number of threads out there related to kernel
> DM latency issues in Ubuntu ...
> DM>
> DM> One thread I saw from a developer read something
> DM> like..."it appears that the Ubuntu developers have
> DM> made every effort to make a linux kernel upgrade
> DM> next to impossible for users to successfully complete
> DM> on Ubuntu installations"
> DM>
> DM> Note - I am *not* 'distro-centric'  - I am just the
> DM> reporting scribe ;-)
> 
> PS>> I'll post the kernel configuration at a later date.
> PS>> Maybe I have  something configured incorrectly.
> 
> DM> Please do - you can imagine how many 'FAQ' entries
> DM> are going to be directly related to one linux distro
> DM> or another, and I do intend to document such things
> DM> as they obviate themselves.
> 
> PS>> The config file for the Ubuntu 7.10 setup with latency problems is attached.
 
This kernel isn't too much different from the mandriva makeup, expecting
one critical thing -- CONFIG_HZ = 250

I doubt it could've run the softsynth oscillators accurately with
that setting - it would've sounded disturbingly distorted...


Regards,

Donald B


PS: the ubuntu kernel has a lot of stuff builtin that people should
never need.....
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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Successful Jazz++ build and run on Ubuntu 7.10

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> Just wanted to report this.  Unfortunately, the
PS>> qjackctl/qsynth/Jazz++ playback exhibited more
PS>> latency problems than I have heard on any other
PS>> distribution/OS.

DM = D.B. Moore
DM> Oh dear....I was expecting this of sorts. There are
DM> a number of threads out there related to kernel
DM latency issues in Ubuntu ...
DM>
DM> One thread I saw from a developer read something
DM> like..."it appears that the Ubuntu developers have
DM> made every effort to make a linux kernel upgrade
DM> next to impossible for users to successfully complete
DM> on Ubuntu installations"
DM>
DM> Note - I am *not* 'distro-centric'  - I am just the
DM> reporting scribe ;-)

PS>> I'll post the kernel configuration at a later date.
PS>> Maybe I have  something configured incorrectly.

DM> Please do - you can imagine how many 'FAQ' entries
DM> are going to be directly related to one linux distro
DM> or another, and I do intend to document such things
DM> as they obviate themselves.

The config file for the Ubuntu 7.10 setup with latency problems is attached.

DM> One thing you might check, is that artsd isn't trying
DM> to keep hold of the sound device....(I recall seeing
DM> something along this line)

Unfortunately, the Ubuntu disk I was experimenting on goes in my main 
development box (the one I'm writing this email with) and I can't switch 
to try this at the moment.

DM> On a bright and useful note with this, I am dedicating
DM> a system box here specifically for testing Jazz++ on
DM> various linux distros - this should help uncover things
DM> like this, and help me create useful docs targetting
DM> what specific linux distro users need to do to
DM> get Jazz++ running (properly..) on the distro of their
DM> choice.
DM>
DM> The machine isn't running yet (still got to finish it
DM> off), but I'll annouce it again (along with specs) just
DM> as soon as it's up and running.

I have my new Dell Precision T3400 that holds a Core 2 Extreme Q6850 
quad core processor running at 3GHz setup with a SATA drive bay.  The 
disk that came with the machine (230GB) is my primary development 
environment (Windows XP + Visual Studio).  I have 4 other 80 GB SATA 
drives I can pop into the machine.  So far I have Fedora 9 and Ubuntu 
7.10 on two of these drives.

I also have an old ASUS A7N8X Deluxe MB that holds an AMD Athlon (I 
don't remember the speed) that I am running Mandriva 2008.0 on.  It too 
has an IDE drive bay, so I may be able to try a few disrtos there.

I also have a Mac mini to work on the Mac port.

Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Notes about linux kernel latency issues

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings,


   For brunch, Mandriva  users might want to look here ;


http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Howto/Mandriva_Kernels



 Hope this helps some...
 
 
 Regards,
 
 
 Donald B

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[jazzplusplus-devel] Notes about linux kernel latency issues

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings,


For breakfast, I decided to check this out a bit further,
mostly prompted by Pete's report on Ubuntu 7.10, (and
I think Robert reported a similar thing..) Remember, Ubuntu
8.series release is imminent, so this may become out of date
overnight as it were....

Debian:  Apparently, the deb '64studio' release (still in testing)
has the correct linux kernel makeup for RT/lowlatency operations.

http://apt.64studio.com/64studio/testing/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/

Whether these images work in other Debian releases is unknown,
maybe they will (maybe I'll try later)


Ubuntu : (list quote)  [you are] "better off using UbuntuStudio 
which offers everything of Ubuntu + multimedia production...
so not much to loose and loads to get"


So it would seem Ubuntu plan to follow Debian's lead with a
multimedia production specific release....that said...

(quote)

"Lowlatency kernel is in standard ubuntu repositories,
just run: sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency

Then reboot and select that kernel from the GRUB list.

It should have no detrimental effects at all on normal usage.


Hope this helps some...


Regards,


Donald B


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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] [Jazzplusplus-user] Embedded linux Jazz++ -- anyone interested?

[Robert V. <vo...@ct...>]

On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 21:25 +0000, D.B. Moore wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> This'll be aways down the track, but if I raise this here
> and now so I've got plenty of time to succumb under my
> own workload.... ;-) This sort of posting from myself, should
> always start with the words.... "And I was thinking.."
> 
> Essentially, there are two ways to use Jazz++ with Linux.
> 
> 1. As a desktop application -- this is how most people will use it
> 
> 2. As a dedicated DAW and part of a performer's working 'kit'.
> 
> ....I mean, it's -possible-, right? Probably nobody is doing it,
> they're buying dedicated DAW hardwares if they want this
> sort of thing today - and they're expensive MIDI boxes as
> well I might add. It just occurs to me that ix86 hardware has
> come a long way, and now that SSD technology is going
> ahead, a truly 'portable' construct is even more realistic.
> 
> Form a mental picture -- let's say mini-ITX mainboard @ 1.5gHz
> with 1gb+ of RAM and one kind or another MIDI/synth sound
> card in the slot (there is only one slot). The OS is optimized to
> the existent hardware makeup, and made as latency low as
> possible. You would use a solid-state harddrive if you could,
> but anything will do for now...
> 
> Jazz++ is not desktop app here - so you don't get a traditional
> window-manager facade. I would probably choose 'PicoGUI'
> with a customized configuration to fit the purpose. If the fbdev
> proved to be quicker at this than a video xserver, I'd use fb.
> The navigation would be by hotkeys linked to F1--F12, for instance
> the Jazz++ GUI would be fullscreen at F1, F2 might hold JACK
> panels, F3 qsynth panels, F4 perhaps AMS panels....and so on.
> You still of course have keybd&mouse to do stuff with on each
> screen. The way things are with this hardware, it might prove to
> be a lot less costly, and just as performant as professional MIDI
> equipment of the same capabilities...IMHO anyway..
> 
> Like I say though, this would be on the>> other>> side of the
> immediate happy future, but I'm interested to know what people
> think about the idea -now-, so I can plan time for this in the
> future....(if anyone's interested of course ;-).
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Donald B
> 

Hi all,

What I look forward to is a multi-core 64 bit processor that has at
least a 3GHz clock and fast components. 64 bit addressing should enhance
audio processing considerably. It could be in a full-size desktop case
because it still fits easily into a small automobile.

That, properly decked out with software, a smart connector, a good
controller keyboard, and good speakers should be all you would want for
excellent music.

Any chance that Jazz++ could go to 64 bit mode ?

Bob

[jazzplusplus-devel] Patch - htdocs - FAQ update

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings,


This patch just adds a section to the User FAQ
regarding things observed here with 'silly linux kernel
timer stuff' I think Kevin called it  ;-)


See attached file :- 20080525-htdocs-faq-update.patch.gz



This patch;

Adds content to FAQ about linux kernel situation
with some Linux distributions (undefined)




Regards,


Donald B





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[jazzplusplus-devel] Patch -- documentation - jazz.tex

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings!


Pete,

All the links to the recent images posted you are ;

\begin{figure}%
\latexonly{\includegraphics[scale=0.5]{/images/qjack-stopped.png}}%
\htmlonly{\image{0cm;0cm}{/images/qjack-stopped.png}}%
\caption{Main Control GUI of QJACKCTL}%
\end{figure}


..like that, but when tex2rtf parses things it says ;

Warning: could not find an inline XBM/GIF for /images/qjack-stopped.png.
Warning: could not find an inline XBM/GIF for /images/qjack-running.png.
etc 
etc

...like that. Best I could figure it, 'document root' isn't specified anywhere
so the document build is path relative to root  ' / '    ....or else relative to
the actual location of the .tex file...and I couldn't conclude whether this
was a job for tex2rtf.ini or something to be handled in jazz.tex itself....
however, I am definitely sure you know the quickfix answer to fix
this so the images actually load into the manual...

Could you fix that please (and make me wiser in the process) when
you get a moment? TIA



Pete, Kevin, and anyone else,

This patch adds a 'quickstart' guide (with images) to the jazz manual to help
Linux (& Mac?) users get jack/fluidsynth & company up and running and working with
Jazz++. as painlessly as possible. At this stage, you probably still need to
build the documentation in your local svn tree to look at this stuff, (and
I've yet to include the htdocs regarding this until tex2rtf stops being an
elusive target), but if people can read and review it, please do, and keep
in mind the referred to manual Appendix isn't yet that, so disregards these
references at present...later (when it's all fixed and finished), I think the
best notion is to make this quickstart guide it's own #topic inside jazz.tex
itself, then we can link off htdocs/documentation directly with something
like "Help setting up and configuring softsynths in Linux, can be....."  etc




See attach file :- 20080525-documentation-updates.patch.gz


This patch ;

Adds content to 'Common Considerations' section
Adds own system stats and extra content to CPU - RAM section
Adds content to 'operational tricks' section - some text reordered
Adds quickstart guide for qjackctl/qsynth/jazz++ - some other corrections
Adds Mac section in same chapter area


Regards,


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[jazzplusplus-devel] Handing PortMidi

[Pete S. <pst...@ve...>]

Hey Leland,

Did you add PortMidi to your Midible build, or did you build it by hand?

Pete

[jazzplusplus-devel] Embedded linux Jazz++ -- anyone interested?

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings,

This'll be aways down the track, but if I raise this here
and now so I've got plenty of time to succumb under my
own workload.... ;-) This sort of posting from myself, should
always start with the words.... "And I was thinking.."

Essentially, there are two ways to use Jazz++ with Linux.

1. As a desktop application -- this is how most people will use it

2. As a dedicated DAW and part of a performer's working 'kit'.

....I mean, it's -possible-, right? Probably nobody is doing it,
they're buying dedicated DAW hardwares if they want this
sort of thing today - and they're expensive MIDI boxes as
well I might add. It just occurs to me that ix86 hardware has
come a long way, and now that SSD technology is going
ahead, a truly 'portable' construct is even more realistic.

Form a mental picture -- let's say mini-ITX mainboard @ 1.5gHz
with 1gb+ of RAM and one kind or another MIDI/synth sound
card in the slot (there is only one slot). The OS is optimized to
the existent hardware makeup, and made as latency low as
possible. You would use a solid-state harddrive if you could,
but anything will do for now...

Jazz++ is not desktop app here - so you don't get a traditional
window-manager facade. I would probably choose 'PicoGUI'
with a customized configuration to fit the purpose. If the fbdev
proved to be quicker at this than a video xserver, I'd use fb.
The navigation would be by hotkeys linked to F1--F12, for instance
the Jazz++ GUI would be fullscreen at F1, F2 might hold JACK
panels, F3 qsynth panels, F4 perhaps AMS panels....and so on.
You still of course have keybd&mouse to do stuff with on each
screen. The way things are with this hardware, it might prove to
be a lot less costly, and just as performant as professional MIDI
equipment of the same capabilities...IMHO anyway..

Like I say though, this would be on the>> other>> side of the
immediate happy future, but I'm interested to know what people
think about the idea -now-, so I can plan time for this in the
future....(if anyone's interested of course ;-).


Regards,


Donald B







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[jazzplusplus-devel] Reporting Bugs

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings!


Ooops!! I discovered an oddity in Jazz++ and went
to report it via the recently added 'reporting bugs'
page. Although the problem (with Jazz++) is real,
my primary intent here was checking out the entire
bug reporting process from the userland perspective.

Pete....as much as I dislike distracting you from your
great coding work, someone is going to have to 
modify the sourceforge bug-tracker page for Jazz++.

Basically...we have a good reporting bugs page that
tell all those kind folks what information to get together
before sending a bug-report about Jazz++ ----- but then
when they would get to the sourceforge bug=tracker
page, they'll discover there's no useful/meaningful
dropdown fields to enter particulars into, and at best 
their only option is to cut&paste the entirety of their
bug report into the 'details' window of the bug-tracker
page...

I would've fixed it myself but I don't have admin_priv
for such tasks...so Pete, you're it!  ;-)

If we can edit the sourceforge bug-tracker page so it has
fields for users to enter their info as gleened from the Jazz++
reporting bugs page, it would make for a more complete
and streamlined service...



Regards,


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[jazzplusplus-devel] Patch - Documentation - jazz.tex | htdocs

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings,

This patch adds more content to jazz.tex including a
section on soundfonts, and platform non specific
hardware considerations. some tips and tricks. Also
the preliminary content of the new FAQ area has been
added, and I'll add more to this as time allows.

If anyone can post the rpm package name for the
Mandriva SDK meta-package, that'd help me...if
you know the equivalent package name in Ubuntu,
same applies. Same applies for name of alsalib-devel
rpm packages. It'd save me a little time.. ;-) Entirely
optional of course, coding comes first...

Made an interesting discovery about jazz.tex entirely
by coincidence. I added an 'Appendix' subsection,
and naturally enough I appened this to the 'bottom'
 or 'end' of the jazz.tex file. This ends up exposed
in the user manual in entirely the wrong location.
In fact, if one doesn't have jazz.tex open in front
of them, finding the appendix in the freshly generated
HTML is quite an egghunt ;-)

And it suddenly dawned on me that the 'physical'
layout of jazz.tex in no way whatsoever resembles
the visually -presented- layout one ends up reading,
and even coders here will gel with how wacky that
make it working with stuff like this...I'll need think
about fixing this, because it makes a pain out of an
otherwise well streamlined system so far....

Pete, ....further to that hereabove, there's no
actual placeholder for FAQ content in jazz.tex yet,
indeed...I don't think there's an appropriate section
there yet for the placeholders to live in....however,
it's useful enough exposure (for devel purposes) to
park this text in htdocs FAQ for now - user FAQ
stuff will follow on later obviously. When it's all in
jazz.tex, we can rework/link-out htdocs/faq when that
happens easy enough

Also..recognize that I have to draw 'some line' regarding
considerations of along the lines of  "what's the least
capable PC around today that users are going to try
running Jazz++ (and softsynths)  with" -- really, I don't
know this answer. I think about people in far flung places,
perhaps still running sub-1gHz PC's with P! or P!! or K6/7
CPUs trying to use Jazz++ -- technically, I can test back
to these hardware specs 'coz I still have working examples
but I am going to?....not today...

This is reflected in the content, although most people
will never need it on current, new hardwares. My line is
currently drawn somewhere back near i686 MMX @ 800mHz...


See attached file :- 20080523-htdocs-docs-updates.patch.gz


This patch;

Adds initial content to new FAQ website area
Added following item to jazz.tex ;
Soundfont section
Common system considerations (CPU, RAM, usage tips)
Appendix subsection (currently empty)

Some formatting corrections, text changed/rearraged in some places.




Regards,

Donald B




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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Starting jackd on Mandriva

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings,

----------------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:20:47 -0700

> Subject: Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Starting jackd on Mandriva
> 
> PS = Pete Stieber
> PS>> Jazz++ is playing MIDI files on my Mandriva 2008.0 box.
> 
> KC = Kevin Cosgrove
> KC> Thanks for pushing on that.  Do you have any recipe
> KC> for that which you might share in brief form so that
> KC> it could make it into the docs?
> 
> I loaded (using the Mandriva installation program) and used the 
> following packages...
> 
> QjackCtl  http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/
> Qsynth    http://qsynth.sourceforge.net/qsynth-index.html
> 
> I believe Donald had this documented on the web page, but the plan is to 
> put this in the online documents

Yes, this is correct.  Plan is to have all the current documentation
for Jazz++ inside jazz.tex and this -is- the definitive file for generating
both the Jazz++ user manual (in one or another formats) and this 
output forms content of the website as well, via links.. This'll save so much
time later,  because any changes needed to the documentation  in that 
happy future, need only be incorporated in jazz.tex, once, and this action
not only updates the user manual, but the website as well... 

> 
> Is it there already Donald?  I couldn't find it.  Just curious.
> 
Being curious is something I always reward -- it will look like
this (and why)....

There will be a 'QuickStart' section about this.

Quickstart infers list of  'distro-specific' files and packages needed
to be installed to get qsynth & co up and running as easily and
quickly as possible. This'll work for you if you have a good out-of-the
package experience here, but we already know there are linux
distro-centric differences which can make some people's journey
here a little rougher than others.

If QuickStart fails, in the online manual, the text will inform the
reader to look in the user manual Appendix (WIP) for possible
known issues and/or fixes with any particular OS/platform/linux 
distro.  The website will link out to this same Appendix content.
The FAQ section (of the website) will be for the most part, be
links back into this (and other) sections of the online manual.

The idea is to turn the website into it's own little automated
background thang you can turn your back on, and it's content
and structure looks after itself. Then one can get on with the
far more important tasks at hand..(like this ;-)


> Kevin, did you get you build working?
> 
> Hope you are having fun with the kids?
> Pete
> 

Regards,

Donald B 
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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Starting jackd on Mandriva

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> Jazz++ is playing MIDI files on my Mandriva 2008.0 box.

KC = Kevin Cosgrove
KC> Thanks for pushing on that.  Do you have any recipe
KC> for that which you might share in brief form so that
KC> it could make it into the docs?

I loaded (using the Mandriva installation program) and used the 
following packages...

QjackCtl  http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/
Qsynth    http://qsynth.sourceforge.net/qsynth-index.html

I believe Donald had this documented on the web page, but the plan is to 
put this in the online documents.

Is it there already Donald?  I couldn't find it.  Just curious.

Kevin, did you get you build working?

Hope you are having fun with the kids?
Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] SF.net SVN: jazzplusplus: [557] web/htdocs

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS> Revision: 557
PS> 
http://jazzplusplus.svn.sourceforge.net/jazzplusplus/?rev=557&view=rev
PS> Author:   pstieber
PS> Date:     2008-05-22 09:10:26 -0700 (Thu, 22 May 2008)
PS>
PS> Log Message:
PS> -----------
PS> Added a FAAQ page for Donal to fill in ;-), and a link in the navigation
PS> pane displayed on all pages.

FAAQ????

Donal???

Sorry about the typos :-(
Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] User manual graphics ---

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

DM = D.B. Moore
DM> Better to think about things miles ahead of time,
DM> instead of just in time. Pete has already touched
DM> on this in one of his previous postings.
DM>
DM> I believe Pete is correct -- if you had to choose
DM> which image format was going to be supported by
DM> most everything out there off into the future, PNG
DM> has to surely be one of those that will survive.
DM> Besides, my previously mentioned aussie
DM> colloquialism of 'when you're on a good thing, stick
DM> to it'  applies here equally as well ;-)
DM>
DM> Pete,  I already have some (but will have more later)
DM> image files to add -- at your convenience, can you
DM> please advise me how you'd prefer to receive those?


You can send them to me via private email so we don't have to deal with 
list bounce messages for emails that are too large.

Let's try my verizon account first and see if they block them.

Thanks,
Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Patch -- htdocs -- small additions to mailinglist/bugreports

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

DM = D.B. Moore
DM> These are just 'sensible' additions to the
DM> above pages ;

Thanks!  Applied with some slight modifications related to formatting.

DM> Pete,......depending on just how hard you want to
DM> push the etiquette stuff home, the final 'finesse'
DM> here would be to have all existing links back to
DM> the mailing list page, point to this page itself,
DM> not the mailing list links on the page itself. That
DM> way, the etiquette stuff is in one's face more often,
DM> but your call, okay?

Your call.  You may want to add some of the verbiage to the jazz.tex 
mention of mailing lists.

DM> This would freeze both of these pages I think,
DM> caveat links out to the yet-to-be-completed FAQ area...

I just added this for you.

Thanks a million...
The check is in the mail ;-)

Seriously, I really appreciate all of the work you are doing,
Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Starting jackd on Mandriva

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

On 18 May 2008 at 22:37, Pete Stieber <pst...@ve...> wrote:

> Jazz++ is playing MIDI files on my Mandriva 2008.0 box.

Thanks for pushing on that.  Do you have any recipe for that which 
you might share in brief form so that it could make it into the docs?

Thanks....

 
--
Kevin

[jazzplusplus-devel] User manual graphics ---

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Greetings,


Better to think about things miles ahead of time, instead
of just in time. Pete has already touched on this in one
of his previous postings.

I believe Pete is correct -- if you had to choose which
image format was going to be supported by most everything
out there off into the future, PNG has to surely be one of
those that will survive. Besides, my previously mentioned
aussie colloquialism of 'when you're on a good thing, stick
to it'  applies here equally as well ;-)

Pete,  I already have some (but will have more later) image
files to add -- at your convenience, can you please advise
me how you'd prefer to receive those? Thanks...no rush


Regards,

Donald B

 
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