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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-07 18:04:23
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One more thing about XP, if we are eliminating more source than we are writing, we would be on the right track.
Growth in source does not mean project grown necessarily. Writing source and developing software are two very different things.
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-07 17:56:06
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XP does not destroy creativity at all. It simply limits it to certain size task. Let compare to landscape painting. Instead of painting the whole scene in one sitting, you are painting a small tree. next you paint a small rock. next a large rock. Next a hill. Next a small waterfall or even part of the water fall. Such as top, then middle, then bottom. If you need to get up and go do something else then fine. Tailer the scale of the parts of the painting to what you have time for or skill for. For example lets say you are not good at painting rocks, and especially in ths paiting these are limestone rocks. You may have to take time out to practice limestome rocks on another canvas. Then when you get to this task you know what you are capable of and how long it will take. Also XP allows for freedom to experiment. But its not wise to give up on striving for sytle, form, rules, order and standards in the name of creativity and experimentation.
You can be a creative(free form) as you like on your own hard drive right? We also have the casetest sandbox area. For example before I begin implementing the parser logic I have create casetest in caverdude.case1 where I worked out the logic for using the java.util.Scanner and other resource or file reading logic.
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-07 17:45:09
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I have come up with a fairly good design.. Not sure it you can apply it any pattern at this point but here goes.
parsers package contains some interfaces associated with 3 types of parsing and a Parser interface.
parsers.flatfile contains one abstract parser and 4 concrete parsers. Each parser will have a private
no arges constructor, will have 3 constructors that take File, InputStream or String as parameters. NOTE that java.util.Scanner works with these 3 objects. All 4 types will produce a FlatFileModel which will be given to survey parsers. A flat file model will either get the client class any given line or field in the flat file, or provide a line or field iterator. parser.survey will have a SurveyLineParser and a SurveyStationParser. Each one will be constructed with a Parser as its parameter.
So if we are getting survey line data fixedwidth data file from a resource it would look like this..
surveyLineParser = new SurveyLineParser(new FixedWidthParser(resourceInputStream));
anArrayList= surveyLineParser.getList(); // gets a list of SurveyLineModels. of course this needs to be rewritten so that it uses generics.
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-06 15:33:15
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Thank you very much, I wished you had sent this to the mailing list so I will cc it to the list.
It might help if you could find time to fill out the entry in the developers.xml file. This would help me to get to know who you are somewhat better. In this way I could be thinking myself about creating task that would suite you.
Larry Gray
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From: Rashmi Rajappa <ras...@gm...>
To: Larry Gray <jav...@ya...>
Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 3:17:44 AM
Subject: Re:
I'm in favour of XP Methodology... so from my end it was an well understood choice to opt for java cavemaps project. I've not been able to contribute since i didnt find any aspect where i could. I will check the task postings and get in touch with you for tasks which match my calibre and interest.
Thanks
Rashmi
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> wrote:
For those of you that I added without first warning about the XP methodology experiment I apologize. I just didn't expect anyone to care.
Larry Gray
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-06 06:09:22
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not a problem at all. Thanks anyway Larry Gray la...@ar... ________________________________ From: sean wagner <wa...@ya...> To: jav...@li...; Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 12:02:29 AM Subject: Re: [Javacavemaps-developers] xp Myth busters proved the tortoise could never possibly win even if the hare were to sleep for a longass time beyond reason. I deal with enough stupid people at work who want to be in charge of something they don't understand, remove my admin status this project is and will never go anywhere with your mentality. Pwned. --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> wrote: From: Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> Subject: [Javacavemaps-developers] xp To: jav...@li... Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 6:48 PM before I become irrational and wipe the membership list, and ask those I removed if they want to be added back. I'll say this. If your not into XP then please leave the project. If you admin ask me and I'll have to remove your admin status first. If your not into xp you will only be in the way. I could be the only developer on this project and still use XP principles and for that matter I could even role play the pair programming, playing driver on minute and navigator the next. I am confident I will find one other perosn who would like to give the XP methodology a good try. I don't care how fast the project moves along at all. Did you ever hear that story about the hair and tortis? You know in the end the toris won the race. Larry Gray la...@ar... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com _______________________________________________ Javacavemaps-developers mailing list Jav...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javacavemaps-developers |
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From: sean w. <wa...@ya...> - 2009-02-06 06:02:32
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Myth busters proved the tortoise could never possibly win even if the hare were to sleep for a longass time beyond reason. I deal with enough stupid people at work who want to be in charge of something they don't understand, remove my admin status this project is and will never go anywhere with your mentality.
Pwned.
--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> wrote:
From: Larry Gray <jav...@ya...>
Subject: [Javacavemaps-developers] xp
To: jav...@li...
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 6:48 PM
before I become irrational and wipe the membership list, and ask those I removed if they want to be added back. I'll say this. If your not into XP then please leave the project. If you admin ask me and I'll have to remove your admin status first. If your not into xp you will only be in the way. I could be the only developer on this project and still use XP principles and for that matter I could even role play the pair programming, playing driver on minute and navigator the next. I am confident I will find one other perosn who would like to give the XP methodology a good try. I don't care how fast the project moves along at all. Did you ever hear that story about the hair and tortis? You know in the end the toris won the race.
Larry
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-06 02:27:19
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Forgive me, I can't seem to get the "you're" or "your" right half the time.
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-06 02:17:54
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BTW I just picked up a copy of "Effective Java".. 78 rules.. more rules! looks very interesting.
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-06 02:15:10
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before I become irrational and wipe the membership list, and ask those I removed if they want to be added back. I'll say this. If your not into XP then please leave the project. If you admin ask me and I'll have to remove your admin status first. If your not into xp you will only be in the way. I could be the only developer on this project and still use XP principles and for that matter I could even role play the pair programming, playing driver on minute and navigator the next. I am confident I will find one other perosn who would like to give the XP methodology a good try. I don't care how fast the project moves along at all. Did you ever hear that story about the hair and tortis? You know in the end the toris won the race.
Larry Gray
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-05 23:39:57
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I won't even entertain myself by reading this, If I'm the only one working on this project then fine. Please remove yourself from my project. thanks Larry Gray la...@ar... ________________________________ From: Will Lamothe <wil...@gm...> To: jav...@li... Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:21:50 PM Subject: Re: [Javacavemaps-developers] (no subject) If you want to "write some elegant functional code" I suggest you follow his instructions for creating your own project. I read this to be entertained by someone who fancies themselves in charge of a large team of developers - when in actually no one responds or cares. There is a fundamental lack of open source understanding happening here - I doubt nearly anyone joins an open source project (volunteering - not getting paid to do open source - like some people at IBM, SUN, etc) to worry about iterations and schedules and to report to someone who fancies himself a project manager - I hate those people at work - why would I deal with them at home. It would be much different if there was a large successful code base with clear direction and velocity. As of now there is nothing, and there will continue to be just about nothing as freedom is crushed and creativity is destroyed - in the name of some make believe project schedule. I'll be looking else where to give back to the open source community or perhaps clicking "create project". rant off. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> wrote: I suppose I was looking for developers who would come here to ask, "What task can I do from the task manager that is scaled within my abilities and time schedule so that it can be accomplished within 2 to 3 weeks." Also xp and the task manager are not about administrators telling developers what to do. Its about coordination. Developers must coordinate with admin. If you want to work a project where you do not have to coordinate with admin, by all means click that "create project" link on www.sf.net. Larry Gray la...@ar... ________________________________ From: sean wagner <wa...@ya...> To: jav...@li...; Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 11:54:36 PM Subject: Re: [Javacavemaps-developers] (no subject) No offense, XML is great for creating data constructs that are easily accessible by machine. This reads more like a document and I doubt it will ever be parsed by a machine. It honestly makes it kind of hard to read. Can we just define stage one and its goals and get everyone to start writing some elegant functional code? That's what I am here for. --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> wrote: From: Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> Subject: [Javacavemaps-developers] (no subject) To: jav...@li... Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 10:09 PM I'm through ranting now about our plan. If your interested check it out by following the link or actually check out the specifications module and then view the xp.xml file. http://javacavemaps.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/javacavemaps/specifications/xp.xml?view=markup Larry Gray la...@ar... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com _______________________________________________ Javacavemaps-developers mailing list Jav...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javacavemaps-developers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com _______________________________________________ Javacavemaps-developers mailing list Jav...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javacavemaps-developers |
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From: Will L. <wil...@gm...> - 2009-02-05 23:21:55
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If you want to "write some elegant functional code" I suggest you follow his instructions for creating your own project. I read this to be entertained by someone who fancies themselves in charge of a large team of developers - when in actually no one responds or cares. There is a fundamental lack of open source understanding happening here - I doubt nearly anyone joins an open source project (volunteering - not getting paid to do open source - like some people at IBM, SUN, etc) to worry about iterations and schedules and to report to someone who fancies himself a project manager - I hate those people at work - why would I deal with them at home. It would be much different if there was a large successful code base with clear direction and velocity. As of now there is nothing, and there will continue to be just about nothing as freedom is crushed and creativity is destroyed - in the name of some make believe project schedule. I'll be looking else where to give back to the open source community or perhaps clicking "create project". rant off. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> wrote: > I suppose I was looking for developers who would come here to ask, "What > task can I do from the task manager that is scaled within my abilities and > time schedule so that it can be accomplished within 2 to 3 weeks." Also xp > and the task manager are not about administrators telling developers what to > do. Its about coordination. Developers must coordinate with admin. If you > want to work a project where you do not have to coordinate with admin, by > all means click that "create project" link on www.sf.net. > > Larry Gray > la...@ar... > > ------------------------------ > *From:* sean wagner <wa...@ya...> > *To:* jav...@li...; Larry Gray < > jav...@ya...> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 4, 2009 11:54:36 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Javacavemaps-developers] (no subject) > > No offense, XML is great for creating data constructs that are easily > accessible by machine. This reads more like a document and I doubt it will > ever be parsed by a machine. It honestly makes it kind of hard to read. > > Can we just define stage one and its goals and get everyone to start > writing some elegant functional code? That's what I am here for. > > --- On *Wed, 2/4/09, Larry Gray <jav...@ya...>* wrote: > > From: Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> > Subject: [Javacavemaps-developers] (no subject) > To: jav...@li... > Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 10:09 PM > > I'm through ranting now about our plan. If your interested check it out by > following the link or actually > check out the specifications module and then view the xp.xml file. > > > http://javacavemaps.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/javacavemaps/specifications/xp.xml?view=markup > > Larry Gray > la...@ar... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) > software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to > build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local > resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and > Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com > > _______________________________________________ > Javacavemaps-developers mailing list > Jav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javacavemaps-developers > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with > Adobe(R)AIR(TM) > software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code > to > build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of > local > resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK > and > Ajax docs to start building applications today- > http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Javacavemaps-developers mailing list > Jav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javacavemaps-developers > > |
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-05 19:43:28
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I suppose I was looking for developers who would come here to ask, "What task can I do from the task manager that is scaled within my abilities and time schedule so that it can be accomplished within 2 to 3 weeks." Also xp and the task manager are not about administrators telling developers what to do. Its about coordination. Developers must coordinate with admin. If you want to work a project where you do not have to coordinate with admin, by all means click that "create project" link on www.sf.net. Larry Gray la...@ar... ________________________________ From: sean wagner <wa...@ya...> To: jav...@li...; Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 11:54:36 PM Subject: Re: [Javacavemaps-developers] (no subject) No offense, XML is great for creating data constructs that are easily accessible by machine. This reads more like a document and I doubt it will ever be parsed by a machine. It honestly makes it kind of hard to read. Can we just define stage one and its goals and get everyone to start writing some elegant functional code? That's what I am here for. --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> wrote: From: Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> Subject: [Javacavemaps-developers] (no subject) To: jav...@li... Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 10:09 PM I'm through ranting now about our plan. If your interested check it out by following the link or actually check out the specifications module and then view the xp.xml file. http://javacavemaps.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/javacavemaps/specifications/xp.xml?view=markup Larry Gray la...@ar... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com _______________________________________________ Javacavemaps-developers mailing list Jav...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javacavemaps-developers |
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-05 16:21:48
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Yes i agree the docbook form is hard to read. I intend to drop the docbook form in iteration2 for a custom xml file. xp.xml is not docbook. I made my own tags for it. It looks much nicer. I intend to transform these documents to html later when I learn xslt. But what could be easier than using some tree viewer to expand collapse the sections and subsections? Anyway I created the file just to give everyone an idea. They can read all part or none of it I guess. The most important section would be the on describing XP. Iteration1.xml would be stage1. If anyone would like to make me the transformation files so that using xalan we can easily transform developers.xml and xp.xml to html I would apreciated it. Otherwise it will be some time before I get around to that task. I would basically be converting those to html list and sublist. A jump table at the top would be nice. Larry Gray la...@ar... ________________________________ From: sean wagner <wa...@ya...> To: jav...@li...; Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 11:54:36 PM Subject: Re: [Javacavemaps-developers] (no subject) No offense, XML is great for creating data constructs that are easily accessible by machine. This reads more like a document and I doubt it will ever be parsed by a machine. It honestly makes it kind of hard to read. Can we just define stage one and its goals and get everyone to start writing some elegant functional code? That's what I am here for. --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> wrote: From: Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> Subject: [Javacavemaps-developers] (no subject) To: jav...@li... Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 10:09 PM I'm through ranting now about our plan. If your interested check it out by following the link or actually check out the specifications module and then view the xp.xml file. http://javacavemaps.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/javacavemaps/specifications/xp.xml?view=markup Larry Gray la...@ar... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com _______________________________________________ Javacavemaps-developers mailing list Jav...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javacavemaps-developers |
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From: sean w. <wa...@ya...> - 2009-02-05 05:54:40
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No offense, XML is great for creating data constructs that are easily accessible by machine. This reads more like a document and I doubt it will ever be parsed by a machine. It honestly makes it kind of hard to read. Can we just define stage one and its goals and get everyone to start writing some elegant functional code? That's what I am here for. --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> wrote: From: Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> Subject: [Javacavemaps-developers] (no subject) To: jav...@li... Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 10:09 PM I'm through ranting now about our plan. If your interested check it out by following the link or actually check out the specifications module and then view the xp.xml file. http://javacavemaps.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/javacavemaps/specifications/xp.xml?view=markup Larry Gray la...@ar... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com_______________________________________________ Javacavemaps-developers mailing list Jav...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javacavemaps-developers |
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-05 05:09:53
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I'm through ranting now about our plan. If your interested check it out by following the link or actually check out the specifications module and then view the xp.xml file. http://javacavemaps.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/javacavemaps/specifications/xp.xml?view=markup Larry Gray la...@ar... |
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From: sean w. <wa...@ya...> - 2009-02-03 15:14:14
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I am not that good at regex... Still something I need to work on. I haven't really used the scanner object.
--- On Sun, 2/1/09, Larry Gray <jav...@ya...> wrote:
From: Larry Gray <jav...@ya...>
Subject: [Javacavemaps-developers] scanning and formatting
To: jav...@li...
Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 6:10 PM
Uh why didn't you guys speak up and tell me about the scanning and formatting api.
Larry Gray
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-02 02:21:26
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Why didn't someone stop my fun and tell me that 1.5+ must have added this scanner and formatter api.
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-02 01:10:18
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Uh why didn't you guys speak up and tell me about the scanning and formatting api.
Larry Gray
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-02-01 22:44:46
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I extended iteration 1 completion date two more weeks. Making it 6 weeks long.
Larry Gray
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-01-29 17:33:12
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resending this, I didn't get it back from the list.
Larry Gray
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From: Larry Gray <jav...@ya...>
To: jav...@li...
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:13:11 AM
Subject: the parser classes
Ok if you update now you will see I have refactored a bit.
I have 5 Parsing interfaces. I now have a flatfile package and a survey pacakge.
In the flatfile package I have 2 abstract classes and 3 Parser classes and two text files that I will probably get rid of later.
The survey parsers will use one of the 3 Parser classes as its strategy. For example a SurveyLineParser will load a file of lines and parse them.
A SurveyStationParser will load and parse a file of survey stations.
ASurveyParser will load a file of Lines and a file of stations which go together.
A FlatFileModel is the equivalent of a DOM yet it is for a flat file.
There could have been other ways to structure this, but I had to go with something. So this is it.
You mentioned our own api for xml, I didnt look at that guys source in SurveyParser.java yet I assumed he used the Standard Java xml api's
Larry Gray
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-01-29 08:13:35
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Ok if you update now you will see I have refactored a bit.
I have 5 Parsing interfaces. I now have a flatfile package and a survey pacakge.
In the flatfile package I have 2 abstract classes and 3 Parser classes and two text files that I will probably get rid of later.
The survey parsers will use one of the 3 Parser classes as its strategy. For example a SurveyLineParser will load a file of lines and parse them.
A SurveyStationParser will load and parse a file of survey stations.
ASurveyParser will load a file of Lines and a file of stations which go together.
A FlatFileModel is the equivalent of a DOM yet it is for a flat file.
There could have been other ways to structure this, but I had to go with something. So this is it.
You mentioned our own api for xml, I didnt look at that guys source in SurveyParser.java yet I assumed he used the Standard Java xml api's
Larry Gray
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-01-28 05:50:43
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For those of you who don't know, eclipse has some plugins for web tools. Some are for xml editing. The one am using gives me a nice tree view of the xml file that is collapsable and expandable.
Larry Gray
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-01-28 05:32:19
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Take a look, style.xml is almost finished. Based on some of the style rules in that guide we will have to add some more styles specifically for this project. Also I have a personal style rule that I won't force but I'll add it to the list.
I happen to like putting some kind of comment after all closing } // if or // while or // class BlahThing
I feel this way because I came from pascal where everything had an endbla; command to end it instead of }
end brackets with no comment is more c style meaning cryptic. I just think the code reads better because the person reading it does not have to scroll up to find out what the } is closing. I'll probably go behind you guys and add those comments in. Don't get upset when I do.
Larry Gray
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-01-27 03:02:11
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I used to love editing articles and other documents in MS Word Outline View. Amazingly I'm finding out that XML works even better.
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From: Larry G. <jav...@ya...> - 2009-01-27 02:56:35
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I felt compelled to start xp.xml to describe our plan.
Larry Gray
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