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From: Dan P. <pi...@sl...> - 2003-11-11 19:30:22
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> That was one thing that came into my mind too. It is the main windows > app thats missing from linux (although some would say it encourages bad > practice, so shouldn't be ported). I think this could be put in the same My suggestion would be a good CD burning application. I considered porting k3b to JavaGnome but haven't gotten very far. I don't think it would be too difficult to port an existing C++ app to JavaGnome, Gnome would get a really nice CD/DVD authoring tool, and once it's in Java I think development could progress much more quickly than the C++ version. I don't want to cause trouble or get people all worked up by forking k3b, but I think it would be a great "proof-of-concept" without running into problems of either writing an application no one uses or an application getting started but having people lose interest. Just my $.02. -- Dan |
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From: Luca De R. <pie...@li...> - 2003-11-11 19:25:15
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Here it is, the app is ported to java-gnome-0.8. It is at the same level of functionality it was before, only it uses gtk2. I would like to continue developing this app but I haven't fully understood the crontab entry creation logic, cause it seems it was left half implemented... I would very glad if someone has any suggestion on which are the major missing methods to implement, or wants to help to reach basic functionality ;) Luca. -- Luca De Rugeriis <pie...@li...> |
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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-11-11 19:09:24
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That was one thing that came into my mind too. It is the main windows app thats missing from linux (although some would say it encourages bad practice, so shouldn't be ported). I think this could be put in the same category as apps such as those to control supermarkets - essential for firms who use them, but useless for most ppl, including open source hackers who don't make a living out of it. On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 07:40:33PM +0100,Luca De Rugeriis wrote: > I think this suggestion it's even better than the former ones, but I'm > wondering who is going (and got the skills) to implement such a nice > project? IMHO, it won't be done unless a company pays for it (Ximian, novell, hp?). But then they have no incentive to use java-gnome :( As for what needs to be done to make java-gnome a killer app, I'd suggest just keep going how we are - fixing bugs, improving the API and implementing other gnome features. If the java-gnome is as good as we all think, it will get the attention and get apps written for it. -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Luca De R. <pie...@li...> - 2003-11-11 19:01:21
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Il mar, 2003-11-11 alle 19:57, Andrew ha scritto: > I'd like to do something like this. I started on something that used > swing, it just performed too slow. Basically all I did on it was to > store sessions, store recent queries etc in xml, let the user define > query groups etc. A little different to what I was thinking with this > project, but some of the same concepts. > The biggest problem I could forsee (with that one and this) is the > generating of reports. I think they could be done (and thought of apache > fo, but I don't know a whole lot about that technology. > The other thing that pokes my mind is form desiging, and I thought some > use of glade could be done, but not quite sure as I haven't given it a > whole lot of time. > But the rest of it would be reasonable ok to do I think, well, I can't > think why it would be too hard. Don't you agree? I mean, surely if > people can write CD Burning software, a nice database tool would be > straight forward!! I agree, but to reach the functionality of something like m$ access a hard work is needed. Good luck with your job ;) Luca. -- Luca De Rugeriis <pie...@li...> |
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From: Andrew <ac...@on...> - 2003-11-11 18:51:49
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Luca De Rugeriis wrote: | Il mar, 2003-11-11 alle 13:34, Elias Martenson ha scritto: | |>Andrew - Dev wrote: |> |> |>>Actually, the thing that I think is missing (or I can't find) is a |>>substitute for MS Access. I think something could be done that uses |>>HSQLDB (for example) and a front end is tacked on to it to provide a |>>schema builder, forms, reports. I have seen some around, but they are |>>really poor quality and usually cost $. |> |>That's a brilliant suggestion really. I consider JDBC to be superiour to |>the non-java alternatives. ODBC isn't much of a standard on Unix, and |>Gnome-DB isn't working properly yet and still doesn't support many |>databases. Every single database out there has working JDBC drivers |>available today. |> |>This is the best suggestion so far for a killer app that leverages Java |>technologies. Don't you all think? | | I think this suggestion it's even better than the former ones, but I'm | wondering who is going (and got the skills) to implement such a nice | project? | | Luca. I'd like to do something like this. I started on something that used swing, it just performed too slow. Basically all I did on it was to store sessions, store recent queries etc in xml, let the user define query groups etc. A little different to what I was thinking with this project, but some of the same concepts. The biggest problem I could forsee (with that one and this) is the generating of reports. I think they could be done (and thought of apache fo, but I don't know a whole lot about that technology. The other thing that pokes my mind is form desiging, and I thought some use of glade could be done, but not quite sure as I haven't given it a whole lot of time. But the rest of it would be reasonable ok to do I think, well, I can't think why it would be too hard. Don't you agree? I mean, surely if people can write CD Burning software, a nice database tool would be straight forward!! - -- [A n d r e w] - ------|------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/sTEe2AKtqeH2FeQRAnzMAJ9Rr3IXGr9dW9oWbVM7Z3YFlusmiQCfamtC Q+Rl7EpAdmKfZpzoWHPNtFA= =93/A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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From: Luca De R. <pie...@li...> - 2003-11-11 18:42:44
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Il mar, 2003-11-11 alle 13:34, Elias Martenson ha scritto: > Andrew - Dev wrote: > > > Actually, the thing that I think is missing (or I can't find) is a > > substitute for MS Access. I think something could be done that uses > > HSQLDB (for example) and a front end is tacked on to it to provide a > > schema builder, forms, reports. I have seen some around, but they are > > really poor quality and usually cost $. > > That's a brilliant suggestion really. I consider JDBC to be superiour to > the non-java alternatives. ODBC isn't much of a standard on Unix, and > Gnome-DB isn't working properly yet and still doesn't support many > databases. Every single database out there has working JDBC drivers > available today. > > This is the best suggestion so far for a killer app that leverages Java > technologies. Don't you all think? I think this suggestion it's even better than the former ones, but I'm wondering who is going (and got the skills) to implement such a nice project? Luca. -- Luca De Rugeriis <pie...@li...> |
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From: Elias M. <el...@al...> - 2003-11-11 12:34:24
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Andrew - Dev wrote: > Actually, the thing that I think is missing (or I can't find) is a > substitute for MS Access. I think something could be done that uses > HSQLDB (for example) and a front end is tacked on to it to provide a > schema builder, forms, reports. I have seen some around, but they are > really poor quality and usually cost $. That's a brilliant suggestion really. I consider JDBC to be superiour to the non-java alternatives. ODBC isn't much of a standard on Unix, and Gnome-DB isn't working properly yet and still doesn't support many databases. Every single database out there has working JDBC drivers available today. This is the best suggestion so far for a killer app that leverages Java technologies. Don't you all think? Elias |
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From: Andrew - D. <aj...@on...> - 2003-11-11 08:19:51
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fernando Lozano wrote: | Hi there, | |> | You know what would be cool? If we got ourselves a killer app |> | written using Java-GNOME. An app everybody wants. It would be |> | beneficial for both the Linux, GNOME, and Java communities on so |> | many levels. Let's hope it happens. |> | |> | Elias | | | I think most "killer apps" for a desktop were already made. I'd love to | see Java-Gnome popular for developing information systems and | line-of-businness apps, in place of Swing. This is what Linux and Java | miss today: something to fill the role of VB, Delphi or PowerBuilder. | Rich UIs, easy but powerfull language, with performance. Java is the | language that can do that, and GTK+ is the toolkit. Something | integrating Eclipse and Glade would fill the gap, but them comes the | main competition: SWT. | | It would also be important to have Java-Gnome (actually the Java-GTK+ | portion) ported for Windows, preferably using GCJ instead of a Sun JVM. | So any Java-Gnome app would run on a 100% free environment, and still be | cross-plataform. | | | []s, Fernando Lozano | Actually, the thing that I think is missing (or I can't find) is a substitute for MS Access. I think something could be done that uses HSQLDB (for example) and a front end is tacked on to it to provide a schema builder, forms, reports. I have seen some around, but they are really poor quality and usually cost $. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/sJxxyheqWpsy0vsRAnd3AJ0XgVXwpff9s4FdJawzQ9aSU1KzBACfXO6h fDYbyFYBah98qEmojdOJRls= =tOsV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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From: Fernando L. <fer...@lo...> - 2003-11-10 23:28:45
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Hi, >Yes, but Dreamweaver is a very large and complex app and I don't think >Java-GNOME could handle it yet (non-working graphics primitives for >example). > > I think that's another reason to choose this kind of apps. GTK+ is so featured because it was driven by the development of GIMP. Gnome become powerfull because it had to support the development of Gnomeric, and later Evolution. The Linux kernel is powerfull to support Samba, Apache and big databases. See KDE and Konquerror, Kdevelop or Koffice. Java-Gnome lacks a big, usefull app to prove its usability ando to put pressure to "fill the gaps". See how Eclipse is driving the adoption of SWT... That's sad, because SWT is "yet another UI toolkit" when there are already too many of them. The cross-plataform and cross-language nature of GTK+ could make it the only UI toolkit you've ever need, but it got few users outside Linux and Gnome developers. :-( []s, Fernando Lozano |
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From: Fernando L. <fer...@lo...> - 2003-11-10 23:27:12
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Hi there, >>True. It really does feel like everything has been done now has it? :-) >> >> >Mmh.. I don't think so. There are a LOT of apps the linux community is >missing. One example above all something like dreamweaver. > My vote would be for ArgoUML (www.tigris.org) rewriten using Java-Gnome. It's a terrific UML tool and one of the best diagram tools I've seen. But it uses Swing, which doesn't provided the agile and responsive UI we're used from ER-Win, Rational Rose or Visio. By the way, a drawing tool or a generic flow-chart/diagramming tool could well be the killer app. Can you remember a Linux app on these areas that really shines? Dia? No, it's connectors are cumbersome to anyone used to Windows similar tools, and its symbol libraries lacks artistic quality. Stretch? Sodipodi? They are promising, but still very far from Corel Draw or Freehand. >I won't make the list longer; My final point is that I think it's better >contribute improving some existing app like Tiago Cogumbreiro's one, or >the other ones I've mentioned than rewrite another implementation of an >existing app. > >Luca. > > Agreed. :-) []s, Fernando Lozano |
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From: Fernando L. <fer...@lo...> - 2003-11-10 23:26:47
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Hi there, > | You know what would be cool? If we got ourselves a killer app > | written using Java-GNOME. An app everybody wants. It would be > | beneficial for both the Linux, GNOME, and Java communities on so > | many levels. Let's hope it happens. > | > | Elias I think most "killer apps" for a desktop were already made. I'd love to see Java-Gnome popular for developing information systems and line-of-businness apps, in place of Swing. This is what Linux and Java miss today: something to fill the role of VB, Delphi or PowerBuilder. Rich UIs, easy but powerfull language, with performance. Java is the language that can do that, and GTK+ is the toolkit. Something integrating Eclipse and Glade would fill the gap, but them comes the main competition: SWT. It would also be important to have Java-Gnome (actually the Java-GTK+ portion) ported for Windows, preferably using GCJ instead of a Sun JVM. So any Java-Gnome app would run on a 100% free environment, and still be cross-plataform. []s, Fernando Lozano |
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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-11-10 09:44:13
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On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 09:18:52PM -0100, Tiago Cogumbreiro wrote: > On Dom, 2003-11-09 at 17:27, Mark Howard wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 06:49:34PM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > > I was pleasantly surprized that the latest 0.8 java-gnome bindings are > > > already packeged for Debian: > > > > you forgot to mention the most important package: > > libjava-gnome-doc > Cheers for the debian support Mark, didn't know gtk-java and gnome-java > were available in sid, thx for that :) When will it be updated to 0.8.1? As soon as I get time. Current packages are quite recent cvs snapshots, so there aren't many differences. > Btw did anyone had success with kaffe? Or any other jvm? I've seen gij > launch eclipse, how about gtk/gnome java apps? How is the current > status? gij works great with java-gnome. I think I've had kaffe working too. sablevm still needs work though. -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Darko O. <dob...@gm...> - 2003-11-09 23:02:06
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Am 09.11.2003 20:46 schrieb(en) ACJT: > Hi, > This might seem like a dumb question, but I thought it would clarify > things for me :) Asking never hurts. ;) > Now I've not much experience with gnome development at all, but I =20 > have > been poking about in glade. So with glade, you can create a gnome > project, or a gtk project. Is this related to the differences in =20 > java-gnome? Gnome extends GTK in several ways, the main one regarding your question =20 being libgnomeui, where you get some more widgets. Glade and Java-Gnome =20 both offer you: - to use strictly and only GTK+ (some people don't like gnome-=20 dependencies for their application) or - to use the full spectrum of the gnome-libs. For Glade you'll notice =20 the extra set of widgets you can use then, especially the GnomeApp, =20 which should be the base widget of any Gnome-Application. > I thought it was excellent to be able to build interfaces with glade. > However it appears as though (based on the documentation on java-=20 > gnome > web site) that using glade is not the main method - or even that =20 > using > glade will not tie in with development based on java-gnome. >=20 > I guess I'm asking if there are really two distinct and separate > approaches - plain gtk using glade for example, and gnome that has to =20 > be > coded completely by hand? Above I've talked about GTK+-only vs. Gnome, your next question has =20 nothing to do with that. For "programming" an app, you have the choice =20 to code the GUI by hand or to use glade, for both, gtk and gnome. Java-Gnome uses GladeXML, which is quite language-independent, so it =20 basicly ties to java-gnome as well as to C or C++. Code generation is not supported, but that's ugly anyways. ;) > One of the things that I thought was great (and missing from java dev > land) is a good gui builder, and glade provides that, lets you define > your signals etc. But I get a feeling that java-gnome is down a > different path than what is provided by libglade?? So no, it's using libglade appropriately. Although I don't think auto-=20 connecting signals is possible, it's quite C(++)-specific, but I might =20 be wrong here. Hope that helps a little, bye, Darko Obradovic |
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From: Tiago C. <cog...@li...> - 2003-11-09 22:18:53
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On Dom, 2003-11-09 at 17:27, Mark Howard wrote: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 06:49:34PM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > I was pleasantly surprized that the latest 0.8 java-gnome bindings are > > already packeged for Debian: > > you forgot to mention the most important package: > libjava-gnome-doc Cheers for the debian support Mark, didn't know gtk-java and gnome-java were available in sid, thx for that :) When will it be updated to 0.8.1? That kind of distribution support is great for people developing apps, this way users have to have alot less trouble getting/compiling stuff. Btw did anyone had success with kaffe? Or any other jvm? I've seen gij launch eclipse, how about gtk/gnome java apps? How is the current status? |
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From: ACJT <ac...@on...> - 2003-11-09 19:40:06
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, This might seem like a dumb question, but I thought it would clarify things for me :) I use Eclipse for the development of course, and I use the nice plugin that's available. Now, this plugin can create either a gnome-app or a glade-app. Now I've not much experience with gnome development at all, but I have been poking about in glade. So with glade, you can create a gnome project, or a gtk project. Is this related to the differences in java-gnome? I thought it was excellent to be able to build interfaces with glade. However it appears as though (based on the documentation on java-gnome web site) that using glade is not the main method - or even that using glade will not tie in with development based on java-gnome. I guess I'm asking if there are really two distinct and separate approaches - plain gtk using glade for example, and gnome that has to be coded completely by hand? One of the things that I thought was great (and missing from java dev land) is a good gui builder, and glade provides that, lets you define your signals etc. But I get a feeling that java-gnome is down a different path than what is provided by libglade?? Thanks. - -- [A n d r e w] - ------|------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/rpl72AKtqeH2FeQRAoAUAKCSwiZnHJBwMwiMjz6QoVQwazhBqQCfYRuE hfFzszP9xwbnVSNnsYJD9IA= =bVQq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-11-09 18:27:43
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On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 06:49:34PM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > I was pleasantly surprized that the latest 0.8 java-gnome bindings are > already packeged for Debian: you forgot to mention the most important package: libjava-gnome-doc -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Mark W. <ma...@kl...> - 2003-11-09 17:56:38
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On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 18:49, Mark Wielaard wrote: > After installing these, and unzipping the plugin in my fresh eclipse > install directory everything worked out of the box! > <http://www.klomp.org:klomp.org/mark/classpath/eclipse-gnome-gij.png> Sorry, copy-paste error. Should be: http://www.klomp.org/mark/classpath/eclipse-gnome-gij.png > Thanks Gnome hackers, Thanks Eclipse hackers, Thanks Classpath hackers, > Thanks Debian hackers, Thanks Java-Gnome hackers, Thanks GCJ hackers, > Thank GNU! > > Mark |
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From: Tiago C. <cog...@li...> - 2003-11-09 17:53:45
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On Dom, 2003-11-09 at 13:41, Luca De Rugeriis wrote: > Il dom, 2003-11-09 alle 14:12, Tiago Cogumbreiro ha scritto: > > IMO, one usefull could bring to the Gnome/Java/Linux world is a tool > > that i am developing, a program to grab and burn cd images with ease > > (think of BlindSuite, CloneCD), the interface between Linux and java is > > made with JNI but the burning/ripping engine is made totally in java, so > > it's _not_ a cdrecord frontend. With the right amount of HIG and > > cdrecording development it could be a killer app for Gnome and Linux > > community. The application already reads cd images, blanks CD's (showing > > the progress, cdrecord/cdrdao doesn't) and i've already implemented in C > > the routine for writing ISO's (implementing it in java is just a matter > > of minutes). > > If there is someone interested in this project let me know. > Cool! These could be a killer app since there are only gtoaster(which I > don't like) an the old xcdroast, which still rocks but has an > unintuitive interface and is written with gtk-1.4. > On the other hand there is the nautilus burning component but it's very > limited although it has a nice simple interface. > I'm interested in contributing but I'm new to java/java-gnome/gtk (3 > months experience). I've written a simple java-gnome app as a learning > exercise: It generates passwords of chosen length. I've also submitted > patches to java-gnome. > Unfortunately I can't help with the JNI, but maybe I can do something > useful with the java part of the code. You don't need to have any JNI skills because i already did the JNI fondations of the lib so now everything that needs to be done is in Java. > If you think my skill level is too low, don't worry, you can simply > ignore this mail ,it isn't an offense ;) I don't know your skills, but i don't need to, if you can help i'll be most gratefull. The application is divided in two main components the cd I/O lib, the graphical client and maybe a command line client. The GUI is already being developed and it's functional yet there is work to be done. > > Else you can send me your sources, and let me know which parts need some > work. > If you want to take a look at my little app (500 lines) to see what I > can do, I will send it. > > Ciao, > Luca. I am going to create a sourceforge project and put the files there, i have a somewhat outdated version of cdmirror in: http://s1x.homelinux.net/downloads/cdmirror.tar.bz2 Finally i want to underline that the initial concept of the project is not to create a masterizing program, the first concept is to write/read images from CDs (it already includes tools to convert images like .bin to .isos, and raw audio to .wav). To create a fullfeatured remastering program natively will be hard work, you have to create a library for ISO managing, thus should be developed in a future stage. |
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From: Mark W. <ma...@kl...> - 2003-11-09 17:49:47
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Hi all, After finally getting the latest Eclipse 3.0 M4 working with gij <http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/java/2003-11/msg00024.html> I tried to get the java-gnome bindings <http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/> and the eclipse java-gnome plugin wizard <http://zeta.zizworks.com/public/projects/java-gnome.do> all working together. I was pleasantly surprized that the latest 0.8 java-gnome bindings are already packeged for Debian: libglade0-java - Java support for libglade gnome interface libgnome0-java - Java framework for creating GNOME applications libgnome0-jni - Java framework for creating GNOME applications libgtk0-java - Gtk framework for Java libgtk0-jni - GTK framework for Java After installing these, and unzipping the plugin in my fresh eclipse install directory everything worked out of the box! <http://www.klomp.org:klomp.org/mark/classpath/eclipse-gnome-gij.png> (Almost, you do have to get gij with eclipse working as described in the email referenced above, which is a bit of a pain currently. And the libraries that the java-gnome plugin wizard wants are in /usr/lib/jni and /usr/share/java on a Debian system.) Now that we have a completely free java-like toolchain and IDE for creating Gnome applications, nothing stands in the way of world domination! Muhawaha! When we have accomplished world domination I will retire and finally resume work on the Hunting of the Snark project ;-) <http://klomp.org/snark/snark-gnome.html> (Note, that is an experimental frontend using the old java-gnome bindings, will try the new version soon.) Thanks Gnome hackers, Thanks Eclipse hackers, Thanks Classpath hackers, Thanks Debian hackers, Thanks Java-Gnome hackers, Thanks GCJ hackers, Thank GNU! Mark |
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From: ACJT <ac...@on...> - 2003-11-09 16:13:13
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Luca De Rugeriis wrote: | Il ven, 2003-11-07 alle 19:03, ACJT ha scritto: | |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 |> |> Hi, I hope I'm not a pain here, but I am new at this. I created a |> simple glade window with 2 buttons on it. I copied the .glade |> file to my eclipse directory, | | |> updated the constant in the java code, | | What does this mean? I've found a good example of using a glade xml | file in the cromagnon app (shipped with java-gnome) in the | CrontabEntryEdit.java file. Good luck :) | | Luca. | Further from this, I simply created a simple gtk window in glade, with 2 buttons, menu, using stock icons, and I get this when I run (in addition to the stack trace as before). I've no idea! - ---- (java-gnome:1952): GLib-CRITICAL **: file gutils.c: line 574 (g_path_get_dirname): assertion `file_name != NULL' failed (java-gnome:1952): GLib-CRITICAL **: file gstrfuncs.c: line 232 (g_strconcat): assertion `string1 != NULL' failed (java-gnome:1952): GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: file gdk-pixbuf-io.c: line 729 (gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file): assertion `filename != NULL' failed - -- [A n d r e w] - ------|------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/rmkB2AKtqeH2FeQRAqp5AJ9hD0rHWnko/mYz73b08DhdOQTOSACfSydG sd0bE6QJfUsHKVZB/13pUZM= =1UQ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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From: Elias M. <el...@al...> - 2003-11-09 15:10:50
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s=C3=B6n 2003-11-09 klockan 15.17 skrev Luca De Rugeriis: > Il dom, 2003-11-09 alle 13:47, Elias Martenson ha scritto: > > True. It really does feel like everything has been done now has it? := -) > Mmh.. I don't think so. There are a LOT of apps the linux community is > missing. One example above all something like dreamweaver. Yes, but Dreamweaver is a very large and complex app and I don't think Java-GNOME could handle it yet (non-working graphics primitives for example). > > I think I could top gFTP in a matter of days > > by leveraging the enterprisedt FTP client library. > Nice, but is it really needed? Isn't gftp already doing a nice job? > I think duplication of efforts is to be avoided.=20 Sort of. gFTP isn't HIG'ed for example. The GUI is a pain to use. > > If you want to make an RSS reader, you could do that extremely quickl= y > > too since we have it all already, just need to slap a GUI on top of i= t. > >=20 > > I've also considered making a better "todo" application. A smal app t= hat > > sits in the panel and lets to easily keep track of everything that I > > should do (need panel support for this one). > Well, evolution supports RSS and there is a gtodo app that does exactly > that. Actually both the RSS reader and the FTP client were examples of cases where existing Java libraries could be leveraged to quickly produce good and efficient GNOME applications. > > So, what useful stuff do we have in the Java world that we want to br= ing > > to the GNOME users? > For the moment I think there are already some good apps, maybe not > killer ones, but however: >=20 > * Mark Howard wrote a nice app for Debian bugs tracking.I haven't > tried it, but I saw his homepage and it seems it rocks:) I'm not a debian user so I can't comment. :-) > * There are the gnome-postal, and cromagnon apps that still need = a > lot of love:),but I think the could become useful, cause AFAIK > there are few Imap mail programs around. Evolution and Balsa works, right? Cromagnon could be useful, yes. > * There is snark which is a bittorrent client written in > java-gnome, I've read some source code, and it's cool:) Users > love applications like this if they can connect to a big networ= k > and share stuff...But again it still needs work. Ahh that's cool. Never heard about it. I really think the existing wxWindows GUI sucks huge bananas. > * A killer app would be some like dreamweaver (ambitiuous...maybe > a jni for gtkglext?) ;) Or a modeler like blender, but with a > usable interface... These are huge projects. But I agree, useful. > I won't make the list longer; My final point is that I think it's bette= r > contribute improving some existing app like Tiago Cogumbreiro's one, or > the other ones I've mentioned than rewrite another implementation of an > existing app. We are not in disagreement. My point was simply that one of the greatest advantages of Java (apart from the easy error-free code you can produce) is the abundance of easy-to-use libraries that can do pretty much everything under the sun. We should take advantage of that. Elias |
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From: Alberto G. <alb...@te...> - 2003-11-09 14:48:40
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> You know what would be cool? If we got ourselves a killer app written > using Java-GNOME. An app everybody wants. It would be beneficial for > both the Linux, GNOME, and Java communities on so many levels. Let's > hope it happens. I am implementing the complete DOM level 2 specification in Java. DOM 2 has support for CSS. It will let me develop, for example, a WYSIWYG DocBoook/xHTML/... editor or a web browser with complete CSS support. CSS lets define render properties for devices such as aural devices, handhelds, printers, screens, TVs,... So, for example, it would be easier develop an aural web browser using javax.speech and DOM with CSS. I think develop a WYSIWYG DocBook editor using Java-GNOME would be very usefull and maybe it would become a killer app. |
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From: Elias M. <el...@al...> - 2003-11-09 14:45:27
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s=C3=B6n 2003-11-09 klockan 14.12 skrev Tiago Cogumbreiro: > > So, what useful stuff do we have in the Java world that we want to br= ing > > to the GNOME users? > IMO, one usefull could bring to the Gnome/Java/Linux world is a tool > that i am developing, a program to grab and burn cd images with ease > (think of BlindSuite, CloneCD), the interface between Linux and java is > made with JNI but the burning/ripping engine is made totally in java, s= o > it's _not_ a cdrecord frontend. With the right amount of HIG and > cdrecording development it could be a killer app for Gnome and Linux > community. The application already reads cd images, blanks CD's (showin= g > the progress, cdrecord/cdrdao doesn't) and i've already implemented in = C > the routine for writing ISO's (implementing it in java is just a matter > of minutes). > If there is someone interested in this project let me know. I'm definately interested! Is there a sourceforge rpoject for this? Elias |
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From: Luca De R. <pie...@li...> - 2003-11-09 14:19:56
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Il dom, 2003-11-09 alle 13:47, Elias Martenson ha scritto:
> True. It really does feel like everything has been done now has it? :-)
Mmh.. I don't think so. There are a LOT of apps the linux community is
missing. One example above all something like dreamweaver.
> I think I could top gFTP in a matter of days
> by leveraging the enterprisedt FTP client library.
Nice, but is it really needed? Isn't gftp already doing a nice job?
I think duplication of efforts is to be avoided.
> If you want to make an RSS reader, you could do that extremely quickly
> too since we have it all already, just need to slap a GUI on top of it.
>
> I've also considered making a better "todo" application. A smal app that
> sits in the panel and lets to easily keep track of everything that I
> should do (need panel support for this one).
Well, evolution supports RSS and there is a gtodo app that does exactly
that.
> So, what useful stuff do we have in the Java world that we want to bring
> to the GNOME users?
For the moment I think there are already some good apps, maybe not
killer ones, but however:
* Mark Howard wrote a nice app for Debian bugs tracking.I haven't
tried it, but I saw his homepage and it seems it rocks:)
* There are the gnome-postal, and cromagnon apps that still need a
lot of love:),but I think the could become useful, cause AFAIK
there are few Imap mail programs around.
* There is snark which is a bittorrent client written in
java-gnome, I've read some source code, and it's cool:) Users
love applications like this if they can connect to a big network
and share stuff...But again it still needs work.
* A killer app would be some like dreamweaver (ambitiuous...maybe
a jni for gtkglext?) ;) Or a modeler like blender, but with a
usable interface...
I won't make the list longer; My final point is that I think it's better
contribute improving some existing app like Tiago Cogumbreiro's one, or
the other ones I've mentioned than rewrite another implementation of an
existing app.
Luca.
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Luca De Rugeriis <pie...@li...>
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From: Tiago C. <cog...@li...> - 2003-11-09 13:12:36
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> So, what useful stuff do we have in the Java world that we want to bring > to the GNOME users? IMO, one usefull could bring to the Gnome/Java/Linux world is a tool that i am developing, a program to grab and burn cd images with ease (think of BlindSuite, CloneCD), the interface between Linux and java is made with JNI but the burning/ripping engine is made totally in java, so it's _not_ a cdrecord frontend. With the right amount of HIG and cdrecording development it could be a killer app for Gnome and Linux community. The application already reads cd images, blanks CD's (showing the progress, cdrecord/cdrdao doesn't) and i've already implemented in C the routine for writing ISO's (implementing it in java is just a matter of minutes). If there is someone interested in this project let me know. Tiago Cogumbreiro |
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