Re: [Ipaudit-devel] merry christmas and a happy new website

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I just got back this afternoon and began the long process of checking my email.  It appears there is some confusion as to the direction of the ipaudit project, which has translated into confusion about the layout of the site.  As of the 2.0 release of ipaudit, (shown in the roadmap), the ipaudit-web project will be deprecated.  What I mean by this is that the ipaudit daemon will have been rewritten in such a way as to allow custom-tailored "ipaudit-web" scripts to be written by individual administrators.  Default scripts will be available, but they will no longer be the focus of the project.  As this is the case, the site was designed to minimalize ipaudit-web and maximize the ipaudit daemon project.

In response to the downloads section being unclear, I am unsure what the difficulty is.  The latest version of ipaudit is clearly stated as downloadable via sourceforge, and the latest ipaudit-web is available under both "Scripts" (on the Downloads page) and via sourceforge.  I guess this is irrelevant anyways, because in accordance with sourceforge regulations we will soon be moving all downloads to the sourceforge ipaudit project page.

I understand that the former IPAudit website has been the way it is for a long time.  However, not all change is bad, and in my opinion, change that brings a project (or its website) better in accordance with standards is positive, especially in the world of computers.  For those of you opposed to change, the IPAudit-1.0 release will be in the format you are familiar with, and it is our hope that older versions of IPAudit will continue to be supported even after the 2.0 release.

Hope you all had a happy New Year.

Sincerely,

Lina
----- Original Message -----
From: Mian H Khalil <Has...@hu...>
Date: Monday, December 29, 2003 0:03 am
Subject: Re: [Ipaudit-devel] merry christmas and a happy new website

> Chris: My mistake; my reply below should have been sent to the 
> entire list.
> Jon: Would you clarify on the IPAudit-Web situation as outlined in 
> my reply below?
> 
> Regards,
> 	Hasan
> 
> --
> 
> May God shower His peace and blessings unto you.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Green <cm...@do...>
> Date: Sunday, December 28, 2003 10:51 pm
> Subject: Re: [Ipaudit-devel] merry christmas and a happy new website
> 
> > you only replied to me.  So I'm leaving the reply intact without
> > chopping it apart and doing the reply at top format rather than
> > inline.
> > 
> > It really bothers me that the website was redesigned ( and we're
> > splitting hairs over graphics and general statistics on a project 
> that> does not appeal to a majority user... ) when the content isn't
> > understood.
> > 
> > Oh well, back into the wordwork. 
> > 
> > Mian H Khalil <Has...@hu...> writes:
> > 
> > > Chris,
> > 
> > > 	You are absolutely correct; IPAudit-Web is in fact one of
> > > those top-left sidebar sites, which is not congruent with the new
> > > IPAudit site layout. The reason a top-left sidebar layout works 
> well> > for the IPAudit-Web site is that (a) the header is 
> relatively small,
> > > unintrusive, and center-aligned, and (b) the left sidebar is
> > > unintrusive. By unintrusive, I mean specifically, in this case, 
> that> > the font is small and there are no images that draw particular
> > > attention.
> > >
> > > 	The sidebar is not present on any pages with no child
> > > links. If the majority would like this changed, please let us
> > > know. Lina and I discussed adding the sidebar to all pages and 
> > decided> against it because of the feeling of unnecessary clutter 
> > it brought to
> > > the site. We keep regularity throughout the site by placing the
> > > sidebar on all pages with no child links. Perhaps you would be 
> more> > satisfied with the 'Related' text changed to something more 
> > indicitave> of child pages? I feel that this may make a positive 
> > difference to the
> > > site. Suggestions, anyone?
> > >
> > > 	Most internet users today do not have a scroll wheel on their
> > > mouse, as of 2003 W3C surveys. Chris Meyer, a design expert, notes
> > > that scrolling should be avoided because of this. Regardless of 
> the> > fact that this statistic is changing rapidly, I feel that 
> the design
> > > principles applied to the site should be those built on majority
> > > statistics, rather than speculation statistics. If there are 
> any 
> > parts> of the site that the majority feel should be combined into 
> > one page,
> > > please let us know.
> > >
> > > 	Because I have not touched the IPAudit-Web package at all, I
> > > know nothing about what version of IPAudit need be used with 
> it. 
> > I am
> > > not responsible for any IPAudit-Web development as far as I
> > > know. Chris: if you know this for certain, please let me know
> > > immediately (you asked it as a question, so if you're certain just
> > > drop me a line and I'll fix the site). Otherwise, Jon: would you
> > > clarify on this? I will make changes to the site as soon as
> > > clarification is given.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > 	Hasan
> > >
> > >
> > > May God shower His peace and blessings unto you.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Green <cm...@do...> Date:
> > > Saturday, December 27, 2003 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Ipaudit-
> devel] 
> > merry> christmas and a happy new website
> > >
> > >> Mian H Khalil <Has...@hu...> writes:
> > >> 
> > >> >  Neither Lina nor myself felt that we wanted to continue that
> > >> > trend, which, from a graphic design point of view is not
> > >> > optimal. So to answer your question, yes it is possible, but I
> > >> > don't foresee it being done anytime soon. Nevertheless, if 
> we get
> > >> > numerous complaints on the user-level from this, IE non
> > >> > developmental staff, then we will reconsider.
> > >>  ipaudit-web is one of those top-left sidebar designs so 
> > clicking on
> > >> screenshots makes the eye retrain with each click.  Please don't
> > >> take this as a suggestion to redesign ipaudit-web.
> > >> 
> > >> Since we're getting into human feel, a sidebar where the related
> > >> pages for one section will link to another page with no related
> > >> pages provides a faux navigation.
> > >> 
> > >> Eg: http://ipaudit.sourceforge.net/documentation/index.html has
> > >> related links to how it works... but the
> > >> http://ipaudit.sourceforge.net/documentation/howItWorks.html 
> isn't> >> related to the man pages.
> > >> 
> > >> > By tailoring the content to graphic design standards, rather 
> than> >> > development standards, we aim to provide a site that is 
> more> >> > easily navigated by all, including but not limited to 
> developers.> >>  If there were 100s of pages of content, dividing
> > >> upcompartementalization makes sense.
> > >> 
> > >> I'm in favor of having something meaningful to not use the scroll
> > >> functionality for the initial page load to make sense.
> > >> 
> > >> However, scrolling is a very cheap user operation with 
> mousewheels> >> but clicking with the foward/back button forces the 
> user to 
> > maintain>> lots of navigational state.
> > >> 
> > >> The more I click a mouse, the more likely my hand pains are to 
> > flare>> up.  That's a hard thing to think about when designing a 
> > web site.
> > >> 
> > >> Biggest Nit: Isn't the right ipaudit for people to be using 
> the one
> > >> that's shipped as a part of ipaudit-web?  Neither the main 
> page or
> > >> the ipaudit-web page or downloads page indicate thtat ipaudit is
> > >> part of ipaudit web and you really only need 1.
> > >> 
> > >> Cheers, Chris -- Chris Green <cm...@do...> "Yeah, but you're 
> taking> >> the universe out of context."
> > >> 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Chris Green <cm...@do...>
> > I have no ability to read string handling code in a gaim window
> > 
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