Re: [Ipaudit-devel] merry christmas and a happy new website

[Mian H K. <Has...@hu...>]

Chris: My mistake; my reply below should have been sent to the entire list.
Jon: Would you clarify on the IPAudit-Web situation as outlined in my reply below?

Regards,
	Hasan

--

May God shower His peace and blessings unto you.

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Green <cm...@do...>
Date: Sunday, December 28, 2003 10:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Ipaudit-devel] merry christmas and a happy new website

> you only replied to me.  So I'm leaving the reply intact without
> chopping it apart and doing the reply at top format rather than
> inline.
> 
> It really bothers me that the website was redesigned ( and we're
> splitting hairs over graphics and general statistics on a project that
> does not appeal to a majority user... ) when the content isn't
> understood.
> 
> Oh well, back into the wordwork. 
> 
> Mian H Khalil <Has...@hu...> writes:
> 
> > Chris,
> 
> > 	You are absolutely correct; IPAudit-Web is in fact one of
> > those top-left sidebar sites, which is not congruent with the new
> > IPAudit site layout. The reason a top-left sidebar layout works well
> > for the IPAudit-Web site is that (a) the header is relatively small,
> > unintrusive, and center-aligned, and (b) the left sidebar is
> > unintrusive. By unintrusive, I mean specifically, in this case, that
> > the font is small and there are no images that draw particular
> > attention.
> >
> > 	The sidebar is not present on any pages with no child
> > links. If the majority would like this changed, please let us
> > know. Lina and I discussed adding the sidebar to all pages and 
> decided> against it because of the feeling of unnecessary clutter 
> it brought to
> > the site. We keep regularity throughout the site by placing the
> > sidebar on all pages with no child links. Perhaps you would be more
> > satisfied with the 'Related' text changed to something more 
> indicitave> of child pages? I feel that this may make a positive 
> difference to the
> > site. Suggestions, anyone?
> >
> > 	Most internet users today do not have a scroll wheel on their
> > mouse, as of 2003 W3C surveys. Chris Meyer, a design expert, notes
> > that scrolling should be avoided because of this. Regardless of the
> > fact that this statistic is changing rapidly, I feel that the design
> > principles applied to the site should be those built on majority
> > statistics, rather than speculation statistics. If there are any 
> parts> of the site that the majority feel should be combined into 
> one page,
> > please let us know.
> >
> > 	Because I have not touched the IPAudit-Web package at all, I
> > know nothing about what version of IPAudit need be used with it. 
> I am
> > not responsible for any IPAudit-Web development as far as I
> > know. Chris: if you know this for certain, please let me know
> > immediately (you asked it as a question, so if you're certain just
> > drop me a line and I'll fix the site). Otherwise, Jon: would you
> > clarify on this? I will make changes to the site as soon as
> > clarification is given.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > 	Hasan
> >
> >
> > May God shower His peace and blessings unto you.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Green <cm...@do...> Date:
> > Saturday, December 27, 2003 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Ipaudit-devel] 
> merry> christmas and a happy new website
> >
> >> Mian H Khalil <Has...@hu...> writes:
> >> 
> >> >  Neither Lina nor myself felt that we wanted to continue that
> >> > trend, which, from a graphic design point of view is not
> >> > optimal. So to answer your question, yes it is possible, but I
> >> > don't foresee it being done anytime soon. Nevertheless, if we get
> >> > numerous complaints on the user-level from this, IE non
> >> > developmental staff, then we will reconsider.
> >>  ipaudit-web is one of those top-left sidebar designs so 
> clicking on
> >> screenshots makes the eye retrain with each click.  Please don't
> >> take this as a suggestion to redesign ipaudit-web.
> >> 
> >> Since we're getting into human feel, a sidebar where the related
> >> pages for one section will link to another page with no related
> >> pages provides a faux navigation.
> >> 
> >> Eg: http://ipaudit.sourceforge.net/documentation/index.html has
> >> related links to how it works... but the
> >> http://ipaudit.sourceforge.net/documentation/howItWorks.html isn't
> >> related to the man pages.
> >> 
> >> > By tailoring the content to graphic design standards, rather than
> >> > development standards, we aim to provide a site that is more
> >> > easily navigated by all, including but not limited to developers.
> >>  If there were 100s of pages of content, dividing
> >> upcompartementalization makes sense.
> >> 
> >> I'm in favor of having something meaningful to not use the scroll
> >> functionality for the initial page load to make sense.
> >> 
> >> However, scrolling is a very cheap user operation with mousewheels
> >> but clicking with the foward/back button forces the user to 
> maintain>> lots of navigational state.
> >> 
> >> The more I click a mouse, the more likely my hand pains are to 
> flare>> up.  That's a hard thing to think about when designing a 
> web site.
> >> 
> >> Biggest Nit: Isn't the right ipaudit for people to be using the one
> >> that's shipped as a part of ipaudit-web?  Neither the main page or
> >> the ipaudit-web page or downloads page indicate thtat ipaudit is
> >> part of ipaudit web and you really only need 1.
> >> 
> >> Cheers, Chris -- Chris Green <cm...@do...> "Yeah, but you're taking
> >> the universe out of context."
> >> 
> 
> -- 
> Chris Green <cm...@do...>
> I have no ability to read string handling code in a gaim window
> 
> 
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