Re: [Ipaudit-devel] merry christmas and a happy new website

[Chris G. <cm...@do...>]

you only replied to me.  So I'm leaving the reply intact without
chopping it apart and doing the reply at top format rather than
inline.

It really bothers me that the website was redesigned ( and we're
splitting hairs over graphics and general statistics on a project that
does not appeal to a majority user... ) when the content isn't
understood.

Oh well, back into the wordwork. 

Mian H Khalil <Has...@hu...> writes:

> Chris,

> 	You are absolutely correct; IPAudit-Web is in fact one of
> those top-left sidebar sites, which is not congruent with the new
> IPAudit site layout. The reason a top-left sidebar layout works well
> for the IPAudit-Web site is that (a) the header is relatively small,
> unintrusive, and center-aligned, and (b) the left sidebar is
> unintrusive. By unintrusive, I mean specifically, in this case, that
> the font is small and there are no images that draw particular
> attention.
>
> 	The sidebar is not present on any pages with no child
> links. If the majority would like this changed, please let us
> know. Lina and I discussed adding the sidebar to all pages and decided
> against it because of the feeling of unnecessary clutter it brought to
> the site. We keep regularity throughout the site by placing the
> sidebar on all pages with no child links. Perhaps you would be more
> satisfied with the 'Related' text changed to something more indicitave
> of child pages? I feel that this may make a positive difference to the
> site. Suggestions, anyone?
>
> 	Most internet users today do not have a scroll wheel on their
> mouse, as of 2003 W3C surveys. Chris Meyer, a design expert, notes
> that scrolling should be avoided because of this. Regardless of the
> fact that this statistic is changing rapidly, I feel that the design
> principles applied to the site should be those built on majority
> statistics, rather than speculation statistics. If there are any parts
> of the site that the majority feel should be combined into one page,
> please let us know.
>
> 	Because I have not touched the IPAudit-Web package at all, I
> know nothing about what version of IPAudit need be used with it. I am
> not responsible for any IPAudit-Web development as far as I
> know. Chris: if you know this for certain, please let me know
> immediately (you asked it as a question, so if you're certain just
> drop me a line and I'll fix the site). Otherwise, Jon: would you
> clarify on this? I will make changes to the site as soon as
> clarification is given.
>
> Thanks,
> 	Hasan
>
>
> May God shower His peace and blessings unto you.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Green <cm...@do...> Date:
> Saturday, December 27, 2003 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Ipaudit-devel] merry
> christmas and a happy new website
>
>> Mian H Khalil <Has...@hu...> writes:
>> 
>> >  Neither Lina nor myself felt that we wanted to continue that
>> > trend, which, from a graphic design point of view is not
>> > optimal. So to answer your question, yes it is possible, but I
>> > don't foresee it being done anytime soon. Nevertheless, if we get
>> > numerous complaints on the user-level from this, IE non
>> > developmental staff, then we will reconsider.
>>  ipaudit-web is one of those top-left sidebar designs so clicking on
>> screenshots makes the eye retrain with each click.  Please don't
>> take this as a suggestion to redesign ipaudit-web.
>> 
>> Since we're getting into human feel, a sidebar where the related
>> pages for one section will link to another page with no related
>> pages provides a faux navigation.
>> 
>> Eg: http://ipaudit.sourceforge.net/documentation/index.html has
>> related links to how it works... but the
>> http://ipaudit.sourceforge.net/documentation/howItWorks.html isn't
>> related to the man pages.
>> 
>> > By tailoring the content to graphic design standards, rather than
>> > development standards, we aim to provide a site that is more
>> > easily navigated by all, including but not limited to developers.
>>  If there were 100s of pages of content, dividing
>> upcompartementalization makes sense.
>> 
>> I'm in favor of having something meaningful to not use the scroll
>> functionality for the initial page load to make sense.
>> 
>> However, scrolling is a very cheap user operation with mousewheels
>> but clicking with the foward/back button forces the user to maintain
>> lots of navigational state.
>> 
>> The more I click a mouse, the more likely my hand pains are to flare
>> up.  That's a hard thing to think about when designing a web site.
>> 
>> Biggest Nit: Isn't the right ipaudit for people to be using the one
>> that's shipped as a part of ipaudit-web?  Neither the main page or
>> the ipaudit-web page or downloads page indicate thtat ipaudit is
>> part of ipaudit web and you really only need 1.
>> 
>> Cheers, Chris -- Chris Green <cm...@do...> "Yeah, but you're taking
>> the universe out of context."
>> 

-- 
Chris Green <cm...@do...>
I have no ability to read string handling code in a gaim window