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Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Srinatha S. <sa...@ea...>]

Hi all

This is my last mail. Kindly refer to the first mail.

Thanks for your patience! Sorry for having loaded with so many attachments. I am
expecting your comments. As far as Kannada is concerned, the standards have been
adopted successfully.

Thanks

C V Srinatha Sastry

Guntupalli Karunakar wrote:

> Hi,
>  This is one of series of mail(s) to form background for discussion on
> Keyboard & input methods at Indic-computing workshop.
>
>  What would you prefer
>   (a)   A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
> with both
> <ur language> & roman alphabet printed), as per inscript layout (or
> similar one not needing a keyb driver). Here simple keymaps are used.
>
>   (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) +
> if u need to type <ur language>, you stick keyboard stickers as per
> layout needed.
> Layout could be straight one like inscript or one requiring a keyboard
> driver/Input method.
>
>   (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
> typing. You basically type in english to type in ur language.
>
> Note: Its assumed that language support is already there using a
> character based model . So output from keymap/keyb driver has to be
> character codes. Also 'Keyboard' means the physical keyboard (XT/AT
> model with 84/101/104 keys).
>
>  Give your choice (any one option) & reason for it.
>
>  Any other comments pl. take it on a seperate thread (maintain KB-IM
> in subject line)
>
> Regards,
> Karunakar
>
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Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Srinatha S. <sa...@ea...>]

Hi all,

This is my seventh mail. Kindly refer to the first mail.

C V Srinatha Sastry

Guntupalli Karunakar wrote:

> Hi,
>  This is one of series of mail(s) to form background for discussion on
> Keyboard & input methods at Indic-computing workshop.
>
>  What would you prefer
>   (a)   A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
> with both
> <ur language> & roman alphabet printed), as per inscript layout (or
> similar one not needing a keyb driver). Here simple keymaps are used.
>
>   (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) +
> if u need to type <ur language>, you stick keyboard stickers as per
> layout needed.
> Layout could be straight one like inscript or one requiring a keyboard
> driver/Input method.
>
>   (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
> typing. You basically type in english to type in ur language.
>
> Note: Its assumed that language support is already there using a
> character based model . So output from keymap/keyb driver has to be
> character codes. Also 'Keyboard' means the physical keyboard (XT/AT
> model with 84/101/104 keys).
>
>  Give your choice (any one option) & reason for it.
>
>  Any other comments pl. take it on a seperate thread (maintain KB-IM
> in subject line)
>
> Regards,
> Karunakar
>
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Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Srinatha S. <sa...@ea...>]

Hi,

This is my sixth mail. Kindly refer to the first mail.

C V Srinatha Sastry

Guntupalli Karunakar wrote:

> Hi,
>  This is one of series of mail(s) to form background for discussion on
> Keyboard & input methods at Indic-computing workshop.
>
>  What would you prefer
>   (a)   A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
> with both
> <ur language> & roman alphabet printed), as per inscript layout (or
> similar one not needing a keyb driver). Here simple keymaps are used.
>
>   (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) +
> if u need to type <ur language>, you stick keyboard stickers as per
> layout needed.
> Layout could be straight one like inscript or one requiring a keyboard
> driver/Input method.
>
>   (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
> typing. You basically type in english to type in ur language.
>
> Note: Its assumed that language support is already there using a
> character based model . So output from keymap/keyb driver has to be
> character codes. Also 'Keyboard' means the physical keyboard (XT/AT
> model with 84/101/104 keys).
>
>  Give your choice (any one option) & reason for it.
>
>  Any other comments pl. take it on a seperate thread (maintain KB-IM
> in subject line)
>
> Regards,
> Karunakar
>
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Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Srinatha S. <sa...@ea...>]

Hi

This is my fifth mail. Kindly refer to the first mail.

C V Srinatha Sastry

Guntupalli Karunakar wrote:

> Hi,
>  This is one of series of mail(s) to form background for discussion on
> Keyboard & input methods at Indic-computing workshop.
>
>  What would you prefer
>   (a)   A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
> with both
> <ur language> & roman alphabet printed), as per inscript layout (or
> similar one not needing a keyb driver). Here simple keymaps are used.
>
>   (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) +
> if u need to type <ur language>, you stick keyboard stickers as per
> layout needed.
> Layout could be straight one like inscript or one requiring a keyboard
> driver/Input method.
>
>   (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
> typing. You basically type in english to type in ur language.
>
> Note: Its assumed that language support is already there using a
> character based model . So output from keymap/keyb driver has to be
> character codes. Also 'Keyboard' means the physical keyboard (XT/AT
> model with 84/101/104 keys).
>
>  Give your choice (any one option) & reason for it.
>
>  Any other comments pl. take it on a seperate thread (maintain KB-IM
> in subject line)
>
> Regards,
> Karunakar
>
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Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Srinatha S. <sa...@ea...>]

Hi This is my fourth mail. Kindly refer to the first mail.

C V Srinatha Sastry

Guntupalli Karunakar wrote:

> Hi,
>  This is one of series of mail(s) to form background for discussion on
> Keyboard & input methods at Indic-computing workshop.
>
>  What would you prefer
>   (a)   A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
> with both
> <ur language> & roman alphabet printed), as per inscript layout (or
> similar one not needing a keyb driver). Here simple keymaps are used.
>
>   (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) +
> if u need to type <ur language>, you stick keyboard stickers as per
> layout needed.
> Layout could be straight one like inscript or one requiring a keyboard
> driver/Input method.
>
>   (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
> typing. You basically type in english to type in ur language.
>
> Note: Its assumed that language support is already there using a
> character based model . So output from keymap/keyb driver has to be
> character codes. Also 'Keyboard' means the physical keyboard (XT/AT
> model with 84/101/104 keys).
>
>  Give your choice (any one option) & reason for it.
>
>  Any other comments pl. take it on a seperate thread (maintain KB-IM
> in subject line)
>
> Regards,
> Karunakar
>
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Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Srinatha S. <sa...@ea...>]

Hi,

This is my third mail. Kindly refer to the first mail.

C V Srinatha Sastry

Guntupalli Karunakar wrote:

> Hi,
>  This is one of series of mail(s) to form background for discussion on
> Keyboard & input methods at Indic-computing workshop.
>
>  What would you prefer
>   (a)   A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
> with both
> <ur language> & roman alphabet printed), as per inscript layout (or
> similar one not needing a keyb driver). Here simple keymaps are used.
>
>   (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) +
> if u need to type <ur language>, you stick keyboard stickers as per
> layout needed.
> Layout could be straight one like inscript or one requiring a keyboard
> driver/Input method.
>
>   (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
> typing. You basically type in english to type in ur language.
>
> Note: Its assumed that language support is already there using a
> character based model . So output from keymap/keyb driver has to be
> character codes. Also 'Keyboard' means the physical keyboard (XT/AT
> model with 84/101/104 keys).
>
>  Give your choice (any one option) & reason for it.
>
>  Any other comments pl. take it on a seperate thread (maintain KB-IM
> in subject line)
>
> Regards,
> Karunakar
>
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Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Srinatha S. <sa...@ea...>]

Hi,

Kindly refer to my earlier mail. This is a continuation with the next attachment. 6
more mails follow with attachments.

C V Srinatha Sastry

Srinatha Sastry wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Kindly refer to my earlier mail. This is a continuation with the next attachment. 6
> more mails follow with attachments.
>
> C V Srinatha Sastry
>
> Guntupalli Karunakar wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >  This is one of series of mail(s) to form background for discussion on
> > Keyboard & input methods at Indic-computing workshop.
> >
> >  What would you prefer
> >   (a)   A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
> > with both
> > <ur language> & roman alphabet printed), as per inscript layout (or
> > similar one not needing a keyb driver). Here simple keymaps are used.
> >
> >   (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) +
> > if u need to type <ur language>, you stick keyboard stickers as per
> > layout needed.
> > Layout could be straight one like inscript or one requiring a keyboard
> > driver/Input method.
> >
> >   (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
> > typing. You basically type in english to type in ur language.
> >
> > Note: Its assumed that language support is already there using a
> > character based model . So output from keymap/keyb driver has to be
> > character codes. Also 'Keyboard' means the physical keyboard (XT/AT
> > model with 84/101/104 keys).
> >
> >  Give your choice (any one option) & reason for it.
> >
> >  Any other comments pl. take it on a seperate thread (maintain KB-IM
> > in subject line)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Karunakar
> >
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Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Srinatha S. <sa...@ea...>]

Hi,

Kindly refer to my earlier mail. This is a continuation with the next attachment. 6
more mails follow with attachments.

C V Srinatha Sastry

Guntupalli Karunakar wrote:

> Hi,
>  This is one of series of mail(s) to form background for discussion on
> Keyboard & input methods at Indic-computing workshop.
>
>  What would you prefer
>   (a)   A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
> with both
> <ur language> & roman alphabet printed), as per inscript layout (or
> similar one not needing a keyb driver). Here simple keymaps are used.
>
>   (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) +
> if u need to type <ur language>, you stick keyboard stickers as per
> layout needed.
> Layout could be straight one like inscript or one requiring a keyboard
> driver/Input method.
>
>   (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
> typing. You basically type in english to type in ur language.
>
> Note: Its assumed that language support is already there using a
> character based model . So output from keymap/keyb driver has to be
> character codes. Also 'Keyboard' means the physical keyboard (XT/AT
> model with 84/101/104 keys).
>
>  Give your choice (any one option) & reason for it.
>
>  Any other comments pl. take it on a seperate thread (maintain KB-IM
> in subject line)
>
> Regards,
> Karunakar
>
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Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Srinatha S. <sa...@ea...>]

Dear sirs,

Kannada Ganaka Parishat is happy to present a User-friendly Common Keyboard overlay

for Bengali, Gujarathi, Gurumukhi, Hindi, Kannada, Malayalam, Oriya, and Telugu
scripts.

Encouraged by the acceptance of such a standard for Kannada by the Government of
Karnataka, the whole hearted welcome by the users of Kannada in computers and the
success in using this standard for Kannada, Ganaka Parishat started thinking of
similar standards for the other Indian languages as well. This is because of the
identical structure of all our Indian languages. The idea was circulated among the
friends of other languages, who instantly evinced keen interest after ascertaining
the user friendliness of the suggested keyboard overlay. From then on, with the
untiring efforts of such brethren of the above-mentioned Indian languages, detailed

structures of user-friendly keyboard overlay have been worked out and the
corresponding documents have been prepared. The need, advantages and all other
related aspects regarding these standards have been elaborated in these documents.
It is important to note that all the language-specific issues have been addressed
in this exercise.

Kannada Ganaka Parishat and all other enthusiastic Indian language experts working
in this regard, expect that a national consensus be arrived at for a new Keyboard
overlay, which uses only the 26 keys (earmarked for English) on the computer
keyboard for Indian language character representation also, with the combination of

normal and shift keys only. We hope that this effort will be given due
consideration and the suggestions are implemented.

The author would like to record the services rendered by many members of Kannada
Ganaka Parishat, but for their intellectual contributions, the project would not
have succeeded. Special mention is needed about the contributions of Sri S K Anand,

Managing Director, Cyberscape Multimedia Ltd. and Sri Ashwin Sheshadri, Software
Engineer, Samyog Software, Bangalore. Sri Ashwin Sheshadri has joined us recently
in this exercise. With his amazing achievement of mastering fifty language scripts,

Sri Sheshadri has contributed to a large extent in this effort by addressing many
language-specific issues, suggesting the solutions and enumerating all the language

alphabets in the texts and charts.

Kannada Ganaka Parishat also acknowledges the support extended by the Government of

Karnataka agencies like Kannada Development Authority, Department of Kannada and
Culture, Department of Information Technology, Directorate of Information and
Technology, many individuals and some private organizations in this endeavor.
I have attached a semi-detailed document for Hindi. We have such documents for
other languages also. They also discuss language specific issues and try to give
solutions for such issues. If the line of thnking is acceptable to all, we can
circulate same, in instalments (in .gif format).

We are eager to get the reactions from all those who are interested in this
endeavour.

 C V SRINATHA SASTRY

General Secretary, Kannada Ganaka Parishat, Bangalore 560 019



Joseph Koshy wrote:

> gk> (a) A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
> gk> (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) +
> gk> (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
>
> gk> Note: Its assumed that language support is already there using a
> gk> character based model . So output from keymap/keyb driver has to be
> gk> character codes. Also 'Keyboard' means the physical keyboard (XT/AT
> gk> model with 84/101/104 keys).
>
> A small correction: keyboards do not send over character codes under
> X.  The X server ALWAYS sends over (hardware specific) keycodes to the
> client.  This gets translated to KEYSYMS in the client using a
> per-display keyboard mapping table.
>
> Note: keysyms != character codes.  There can be keysyms for which no
> code point has been defined in Unicode/ISCII/<insert character set
> name>.
>
> The major objection I can see with the keymap and transliteration
> solutions floating around today is the following: in these schemes,
> the burden of providing the editing experience for the user falls on
> the application.  Rendering indic text (and providing feedback to the
> user while editing is taking place) is a complex task.  In a
> keymap/keysym based indic input method every application needs to be
> aware of how to carry out this task.
>
> Problems:
>
>   (a) code duplication
>   (b) the problem of subtle differences between implementations,
>       (or versions of the same application) causing subtle changes
>       in the user interface
>   (c) fragile (a US keyboard layout based keymap solution will break
>       on non-US keyboards)
>   (d) different indic languages have different input editing needs;
>       one size does not fit all
>   (e) misses an important point in the architecture of the X
>       Window System, namely the provision for input methods.
>
> That said, keymap based solutions are around today, but I haven't come
> across a indic input method for X.
>
> Regards,
> Koshy
> <jk...@fr...>
>
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RE: [Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Ashish K. <as...@mi...>]

I agree more or less with what Keyur says except his view that keyboard
layout designed for English while considering frequency of characters in
English documents. If you really go behind the reasons for designing the
QWERTY layout the way it is, it was to keep the speed of typing on a manual
typewriter in control because the mechanical nature of a typewriter posed
constraints in typing beyond a certain speed.

Though I would be most happy to be using and providing Inscript layout for
the obvious advantages in terms of less efforts, more speed etc., I would
like to leave the choice to the actual end-user.

>
> Dear Karunakar,
>
> Here is my feedback. My choice is (b). I have tried to explain reasons for
> my selection. Here I am assuming that speed is the criteria for selection
> of keyboard.
>
> --- Guntupalli Karunakar <kar...@fr...> wrote:
>
> >  What would you prefer
> >   (a)   A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
> > with both
> > <ur language> & roman alphabet printed), as per inscript layout (or
> > similar one not needing a keyb driver). Here simple keymaps are used.
>
> This is not a kind of keyboard I would like to use with multiple
> applications. Choice for a keyboard highly depends on the applications you
> use. An application vendor should be given freedom to provide his layout
> along with the application. When character symbols are printed physically
> on the keyboard, then it may become difficult to use with some other
> layout. This particular type of keyboard will become cumbersome to use to
> people like me who look at the keyboard instead of monitor while
> typing :-)
>
> >   (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) +
> > if u need to type <ur language>, you stick keyboard stickers as per
> > layout needed.
> > Layout could be straight one like inscript or one requiring a keyboard
> > driver/Input method.
>
> This is MY choice. Inscript keyboard layout was designed while considering
> average frequency of characters in a simple document. The data was
> collected from thousands of documents and accordingly frequency table was
> generated. Now in Inscript layout, keys have been mapped such
> that you need
> to move your fingers less frequently and fingers have to cover less
> distance while moving. So once you get use to it, you can really type very
> fast. This is like QWERTY keyboard layout designed for English while
> considering frequency of characters in English documents.
>
> Also, since stickers can be replaced, this keyboard can be used with any
> other layout for Indian language.
>
> >   (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
> > typing. You basically type in english to type in ur language.
>
> For a novice user, this may be an easiest way to type in Indian languages.
> But certainly, in longer run, this kind of layout can not compete with
> layout like Inscript when you want to type very fast.
>
> - Keyur

Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[<jk...@Fr...>]

gk> (a) A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
gk> (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) + 
gk> (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for

gk> Note: Its assumed that language support is already there using a
gk> character based model . So output from keymap/keyb driver has to be
gk> character codes. Also 'Keyboard' means the physical keyboard (XT/AT
gk> model with 84/101/104 keys).

A small correction: keyboards do not send over character codes under
X.  The X server ALWAYS sends over (hardware specific) keycodes to the
client.  This gets translated to KEYSYMS in the client using a
per-display keyboard mapping table.

Note: keysyms != character codes.  There can be keysyms for which no
code point has been defined in Unicode/ISCII/<insert character set
name>.

The major objection I can see with the keymap and transliteration
solutions floating around today is the following: in these schemes,
the burden of providing the editing experience for the user falls on
the application.  Rendering indic text (and providing feedback to the
user while editing is taking place) is a complex task.  In a
keymap/keysym based indic input method every application needs to be
aware of how to carry out this task.

Problems:

  (a) code duplication
  (b) the problem of subtle differences between implementations,
      (or versions of the same application) causing subtle changes
      in the user interface
  (c) fragile (a US keyboard layout based keymap solution will break 
      on non-US keyboards)
  (d) different indic languages have different input editing needs;
      one size does not fit all
  (e) misses an important point in the architecture of the X
      Window System, namely the provision for input methods.

That said, keymap based solutions are around today, but I haven't come
across a indic input method for X.

Regards,
Koshy
<jk...@fr...>

[Indic-computing-standards] Re: [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Mahesh T P. <pai...@vs...>]

Guntupalli Karunakar wrote:

> What would you prefer
>(a) A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
>    with both <ur language> & roman alphabet printed), as per inscript 
>    layout (or similar one not needing a keyb driver). Here simple keymaps are used.
>
>(b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) + 
>    if u need to type <ur language>, you stick keyboard stickers as per
>    layout needed.  Layout could be straight one like inscript or 
>    one requiring a keyboard driver/Input method.
>

Speaking for myself,  it is not relevant as to what character appears on
my keys so long as there is some kind of indentifiable symbol ( a raised
dot, a raised dash, etc) to position my fingers.  I do not look at the
keyboard to type.  On the Computer, it always easy to create a typing
tutorial showing the onscreen layout.  for example, iLeap has an
excellent feature, whereby keyboard is displayed on the screen, with a
toggle switch, and also a drop down menu, showing the key combinations
required to create complex characters, which shows only the indian
script on screen, but on mouseover, the roman key and the indian
character on the roman key are displayed.  

Assuming that the industry adopts standard suggested in the first
question, the keyboard market in India is going to be divided into 17
segments, we lose the economies of scale, and this will drive up cost of
keyboards from the present Rs. 250 odd to stratospheric levels, like
1000 + charged by TVS for their keyboards.  

What?  Did somebody say that competition will drive down prices?  No,
competition is not likely to arise in such a fragmented market.

>(c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
>    typing. You basically type in english to type in ur language.
>
Provided we arrive at a proper and refined transliteration schema, there
is no reason to have a inscript keyboard at all.  I often find that it
takes a lot of trial and error to find the correct keyboard combinations
to get the exact character I want.  Only justification for inscript is
that it is a 'learn once type all'  overlay.  Now, if the qwerty layout
can be used for the Indian languages, why should the user learn two
overlays (roman and inscript)?  
One issue that may need to be considered in choice of keyboard over lays
is the by now infamous diesease affecting the fingers of computer user (
something tunnelling syndrome ).  Whether using the qwerty layout for
Indian languages is likely to put strain on the weaker finger is a
question which needs to be studied.  

Being a user of the inscript lay out (malayalam), I will certify that
inscript does not pass this test.  The nukta, and the frequently used
vowel signs a aa, apart from the frequest use of the shift key means
that the inscript keyboard layout extremely unfriendly to your weaker
fingers.  ( by the time you finish a legal size page - 10 to 15 minutes
for me ) my finger start aching.

Regards,
Mahesh T Pai.


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Re: [Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Keyur S. <key...@ya...>]

Dear Karunakar,

Here is my feedback. My choice is (b). I have tried to explain reasons for
my selection. Here I am assuming that speed is the criteria for selection
of keyboard.

--- Guntupalli Karunakar <kar...@fr...> wrote:

>  What would you prefer
>   (a)   A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
> with both
> <ur language> & roman alphabet printed), as per inscript layout (or
> similar one not needing a keyb driver). Here simple keymaps are used.

This is not a kind of keyboard I would like to use with multiple
applications. Choice for a keyboard highly depends on the applications you
use. An application vendor should be given freedom to provide his layout
along with the application. When character symbols are printed physically
on the keyboard, then it may become difficult to use with some other
layout. This particular type of keyboard will become cumbersome to use to
people like me who look at the keyboard instead of monitor while typing :-)

>   (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) + 
> if u need to type <ur language>, you stick keyboard stickers as per
> layout needed.
> Layout could be straight one like inscript or one requiring a keyboard
> driver/Input method.

This is MY choice. Inscript keyboard layout was designed while considering
average frequency of characters in a simple document. The data was
collected from thousands of documents and accordingly frequency table was
generated. Now in Inscript layout, keys have been mapped such that you need
to move your fingers less frequently and fingers have to cover less
distance while moving. So once you get use to it, you can really type very
fast. This is like QWERTY keyboard layout designed for English while
considering frequency of characters in English documents.

Also, since stickers can be replaced, this keyboard can be used with any
other layout for Indian language.

>   (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
> typing. You basically type in english to type in ur language.

For a novice user, this may be an easiest way to type in Indian languages.
But certainly, in longer run, this kind of layout can not compete with
layout like Inscript when you want to type very fast.

- Keyur


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[Indic-computing-standards] [KB-IM] (1) what would you prefer - keyboard layouts

[Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...>]

Hi,
 This is one of series of mail(s) to form background for discussion on
Keyboard & input methods at Indic-computing workshop.

 What would you prefer
  (a)   A keyboard with <insert ur language> printed on it (lets say
with both
<ur language> & roman alphabet printed), as per inscript layout (or
similar one not needing a keyb driver). Here simple keymaps are used.

  (b) Keyboard like the ones available in market today (only roman) + 
if u need to type <ur language>, you stick keyboard stickers as per
layout needed.
Layout could be straight one like inscript or one requiring a keyboard
driver/Input method.

  (c) Roman keyboard, using a phonetic or transliteration schemes for
typing. You basically type in english to type in ur language.

Note: Its assumed that language support is already there using a
character based model . So output from keymap/keyb driver has to be
character codes. Also 'Keyboard' means the physical keyboard (XT/AT
model with 84/101/104 keys).

 Give your choice (any one option) & reason for it.

 Any other comments pl. take it on a seperate thread (maintain KB-IM
in subject line)

Regards,
Karunakar

[Indic-computing-standards] IIIMF project

[Rajkumar S <ra...@ya...>]

Hello all,

IIIMF is one promising input method framework for us. Here is some
information from the project site, The project home page is at 

http://www.li18nux.org/subgroups/im/IIIMF/
 
IIIMF is designed to be the next generation of input method framework
which provides the following capabilities;

# Multiplatform, platform independent
# Mulitlingual/Full UNICODE support
# Windowing System Independent
# Multiple language engines concurrently run
# Multiuser
# Distributed, lightweight client and server
# Extensible
# Efficient input method protocol

The IIIM Server Framework(IIIMSF) is, unlike XIM Server, a platform
independent, Windowing system independent, multilingual input method
server framework. IIIM Server runs as a system daemon on UNIX, or as a
system service on Windows. Unlike XIM server running as per-user
server, single IIIM server process provides input method service to
multiple users in multiple language simultaneously. At this moment IIIM
Server is known to run on UNIX flavored OSs and Windows. 

IIIM Client Framework(IIIMCF) are built for several platforms and
Windowing systems. Here is the list of IIIMCF currently available or in
development.

# IIIMXCF - IIIM X Window System Client Framework
# IIIMJCF - IIIM Java2 Client Framework
# IIIMECF - IIIM Emacs Client Framework
# IIIMGCF - IIIM Generic C client Framework (libiiimf)
# IIIMWCF - IIIM Windows Client Framework


raj

Re: [Indic-computing-standards] Fw: help on multi-lingual

[Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...>]

All Unicode charts for Hindi, Tamil, Kannada, etc 
are available at Unicode website www.unicode.org

-Pavanaja

> 
> Can anyone help with this vexed "Indian languages on the web" problem?
> I am not attaching the README.TXT file because it is too large. If
> anyone needs to see it, please e-mail me.
> 
> Venky
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sanjay Valiyaveettil 
> To: Venkatesh (Venky) Hariharan 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:28 AM
> Subject: help on multi-lingual
> 
> 
> dear venky,
> 
> we are just having a small problem with multi-lingual search. the
> search engine (aspseekhttp://www.aspseek.org/ ) that we are using
> requires 2 things:
> 
> 1. A mapping file that maps the code of each symbol in charset and
> code of the symbol in unicodefor devanagari & tamil. we were unable to
> get this. we were able to get the mapping for ISCI but i am not sure
> if that is correct.
> 
> iam attaching the README of the search engine and an example file.
> 
> basically what we require is a table is this:
> 
> Each line should have code in charset and unicode value for a
> character. There are 2 hexadecimal numbers and optional comment in
> each line: A) code of symbol in charset B) code of symbol in unicode
> 2. We need a dictionary of Devanagiri & Tamilwords.
> 
> can you help??
> 
> regards,
> Sanjay Valiyaveettil
> *************************************************
> IRIS Ltd.,F-1, Laxmi Mills Compound,
> Shakti Mills Lane,
> Off Dr. E Moses Road
> Mahalaxmi (W)
> Mumbai -11 , India
> Ph: 022- 4984326 - 34 ext. 430
> *************************************************
> 

--------------------------------------------------
---
Dr. U.B. Pavanaja
Editor, Vishva Kannada
World's first Internet magazine in Kannada
http://www.vishvakannada.com/

Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes

[Indic-computing-standards] Fw: help on multi-lingual

[Venkatesh \(Venky\) H. <ve...@me...>]

Can anyone help with this vexed "Indian languages on the web" problem? I =
am not attaching the README.TXT file because it is too large. If anyone =
needs to see it, please e-mail me.

Venky


----- Original Message -----=20
From: Sanjay Valiyaveettil=20
To: Venkatesh (Venky) Hariharan=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: help on multi-lingual


dear venky,
=20
we are just having a small problem with multi-lingual search. the search =
engine (aspseek http://www.aspseek.org/ ) that we are using requires 2 =
things:
=20
1. A mapping file that maps the code of each symbol in charset and code =
of the symbol in unicode for devanagari & tamil. =20
we were unable to get this. we were able to get the mapping for ISCI but =
i am not sure if that is correct.
=20
i am attaching the README of the search engine and an example file.
=20
basically what we require is a table is this:
=20
Each line should have code in charset and unicode value for a character.
There are 2 hexadecimal numbers and optional comment in each line:
A) code of symbol in charset
B) code of symbol in unicode

2. We need a dictionary of Devanagiri & Tamil words.
=20
can you help??
=20
regards,
Sanjay Valiyaveettil
*************************************************
IRIS Ltd.,F-1, Laxmi Mills Compound,
Shakti Mills Lane,
Off Dr. E Moses Road
Mahalaxmi (W)
Mumbai -11 , India
Ph: 022- 4984326 - 34   ext. 430
*************************************************

[Indic-computing-standards] Latest TDIL Newsletter (VishwaBharat)

[Keyur S. <key...@ya...>]

Hi,

Latest TDIL newsletter for April-2002 is now available on-line. It contains
lot of info regarding new proposed Unicode standard for Indic scripts.

The document is available at  
  http://tdil.mit.gov.in/news.htm

Direct link to latest newsletter 
  http://tdil.mit.gov.in/tdil-april-2002.pdf

You can send your feedback.

- Keyur


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RE: [Indic-computing-standards] Re: [Indic-computing-devel] Fw: Endangered Languages Project

[fpohlmann <fpo...@ba...>]

>Frank, can you follow up with SOAS, on the issue, may be we can benefit
>through this process.

In that case I would be grateful, if the good people on this list would make 
up a few suggestions as to which issues I could raise with them?

Apart from asking them about the state of their own project, of course.

-Frank

>
>Regards
>
>vijay
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "fpohlmann" <fpo...@ba...>
>To: "Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya" <vi...@sr...>;
><Ind...@li...>;
><Ind...@li...>;
><mal...@ya...>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:29 PM
>Subject: RE: [Indic-computing-devel] Fw: Endangered Languages Project
>
>
>> No problem, BUT:
>>
>> SOAS is pretty much on vacations right now. Try the 2nd week of September!
>>
>> -Frank
>>
>> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From "Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya"
><vi...@sr...>
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >Please see this, very interesting proposasition, might be we can think of
>> >taking the cause of Indic - Project to them.
>> >
>> >vijay
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: <in...@el...>
>> >To: "Funknet" <fu...@li...>; "Linguist"
>> ><lin...@un...>; "Endangered Languages"
>> ><end...@ca...>; "Lagb Essex"
>> ><la...@es...>; "LGShift" <lg...@li...>
>> >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:19 AM
>> >Subject: Endangered Languages Project
>> >
>> >
>> >> Press Release
>> >>
>> >> To help explore and record linguistic diversity across the globe, a
>> >British
>> >> foundation has provided =A320,000,000 over ten years to create an
>> >> international scholarly program to study endangered languages.
>> >>
>> >> The scale of the funding is commensurate with the urgent--and
>> >> enormous--threat to the world's linguistic diversity. Many of the
>> >languages
>> >> that will be studied are linguistic isolates. All are very nearly
>extinct.
>> >> They have never been adequately analysed or recorded, and they are
>> >typically
>> >> spoken only by a few elderly people. These languages--and their
>> >> speakers--deserve to be remembered, and to take their place in history.
>At
>> >> the same time, this worldwide project to preserve crucial knowledge
>about
>> >> the world's linguistic heritage will vitally illuminate the history of
>how
>> >> humanity settled the earth.
>> >>
>> >> The Lisbet Rausing Charitable Fund aims to support research in the
>> >> humanities and the social sciences. This grant, together with other
>family
>> >> benefactions amounting to many millions of pounds, is intended by the
>Hans
>> >> Rausing family to help British universities maintain the highest
>standards
>> >> of academic scholarship.
>> >>
>> >> When deciding to secure the participation of SOAS in this program--a
>> >process
>> >> that took many months of consultation--the Fund's trustees expressed
>the
>> >> greatest confidence in the achievements and potential of the School,
>and
>> >in
>> >> enthusiasm and dedication of its scholars and leaders. The trustees
>were
>> >> impressed by the fit between their own profound concern at the threat
>to
>> >> knowledge of linguistic and cultural diversity globally, and SOAS's
>> >> long-standing and distinguished study of small languages in Africa,
>Asia,
>> >> the Middle East and elsewhere. The Fund's trustees also share with SOAS
>a
>> >> commitment to the highest ethical standards when co-operating with
>small
>> >> language communities-- people who are often marginalized and
>dispossessed.
>> >>
>> >> Part of the grant will underwrite an academic programme within SOAS,
>> >> utilising SOAS's staff and facilities. It will train field-workers and
>> >> deepen knowledge of endangered languages through specially designed
>> >courses
>> >> in field linguistics generally and endangered languages in particular
>as
>> >> well as by co-ordinating scholarly activity, publicity and consultation
>in
>> >> the field.  But the bulk of the fund will be administered by SOAS to
>> >provide
>> >> grants to scholars throughout the world to document and analyse
>endangered
>> >> languages.
>> >>
>> >> Professor Colin Bundy, Director and Principal of SOAS, voiced
>unqualified
>> >> delight at the news of the award.  "SOAS was founded in 1916 as a
>> >specialist
>> >> institution for the study of languages in Asia, and later in Africa.
>We
>> >> created the first British linguistics department (in 1932) and our
>Library
>> >> was identified in 1961 as a national resource for the study of Africa
>and
>> >> Asia.  Our history, mission and ethos equip us for this visionary
>> >project."
>> >> He stressed that in addition to the School's regionally defined
>> >departments
>> >> concentrating on language and culture its range of disciplinary
>> >> departments - such as anthropology, history, linguistics - offered a
>rich
>> >> opportunity for becoming a world leader in the documentation and study
>of
>> >> endangered languages.
>> >>
>> >> SOAS and the Fund together will underwrite the infrastructure to manage
>> >this
>> >> grants programs. This means that other families, foundations and
>companies
>> >> that would like to donate to this cause, will have the security of
>knowing
>> >> that 100% of their money goes directly to the recording and study of
>> >nearly
>> >> extinct languages.  The costs of research and documentation to ensure
>that
>> >> full knowledge of a language and its use are preserved will vary, but
>the
>> >> average is about =A3150,000: we urge all readers of this to give
>generously
>> >to
>> >> this profoundly important cause--before those thousands of the world's
>> >> languages (well over 50% of the total) that are now highly threatened,
>> >> disappear forever. No sum is too small, and all money donated will go
>> >> directly, fully, and only to the cause of recording near-extinct
>> >> languages--and thus save a unique world heritage.
>> >>
>> >> www.eldp.soas.ac.uk
>> >>
>> >> Direct payments to SOAS can be made direct to the School's bank at:
>> >>
>> >> National Westminster Bank plc
>> >> 94 Moorgate
>> >> London EC2M 6XT
>> >> Sort Code: 56-00-23 Account No: 08622655
>> >>
>> >> All general enquiries should be addressed to Mary O'Shea at SOAS on
>07898
>> >> 4075 or mo...@so...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Indic-computing-standards] RE: [Indic-computing-devel] Fw: Endangered Languages Project

[Venkatesh \(Venky\) H. <ve...@me...>]

My guess is that this effort concentrates on visual anthropology or some
such academic branch but no harm in opening a dialogue.

Venky

----- Original Message -----
From: "fpohlmann" <fpo...@ba...>
To: "Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya" <vi...@sr...>;
<Ind...@li...>;
<Ind...@li...>;
<mal...@ya...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:29 PM
Subject: [Indic-computing-standards] RE: [Indic-computing-devel] Fw:
Endangered Languages Project


> No problem, BUT:
>
> SOAS is pretty much on vacations right now. Try the 2nd week of Septemb=
er!
>
> -Frank
>
> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From "Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya"
<vi...@sr...>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >Hi,
> >
> >Please see this, very interesting proposasition, might be we can think=
 of
> >taking the cause of Indic - Project to them.
> >
> >vijay
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <in...@el...>
> >To: "Funknet" <fu...@li...>; "Linguist"
> ><lin...@un...>; "Endangered Languages"
> ><end...@ca...>; "Lagb Essex"
> ><la...@es...>; "LGShift" <lg...@li...>
> >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:19 AM
> >Subject: Endangered Languages Project
> >
> >
> >> Press Release
> >>
> >> To help explore and record linguistic diversity across the globe, a
> >British
> >> foundation has provided =A320,000,000 over ten years to create an
> >> international scholarly program to study endangered languages.
> >>
> >> The scale of the funding is commensurate with the urgent--and
> >> enormous--threat to the world's linguistic diversity. Many of the
> >languages
> >> that will be studied are linguistic isolates. All are very nearly
extinct.
> >> They have never been adequately analysed or recorded, and they are
> >typically
> >> spoken only by a few elderly people. These languages--and their
> >> speakers--deserve to be remembered, and to take their place in histo=
ry.
At
> >> the same time, this worldwide project to preserve crucial knowledge
about
> >> the world's linguistic heritage will vitally illuminate the history =
of
how
> >> humanity settled the earth.
> >>
> >> The Lisbet Rausing Charitable Fund aims to support research in the
> >> humanities and the social sciences. This grant, together with other
family
> >> benefactions amounting to many millions of pounds, is intended by th=
e
Hans
> >> Rausing family to help British universities maintain the highest
standards
> >> of academic scholarship.
> >>
> >> When deciding to secure the participation of SOAS in this program--a
> >process
> >> that took many months of consultation--the Fund's trustees expressed
the
> >> greatest confidence in the achievements and potential of the School,
and
> >in
> >> enthusiasm and dedication of its scholars and leaders. The trustees
were
> >> impressed by the fit between their own profound concern at the threa=
t
to
> >> knowledge of linguistic and cultural diversity globally, and SOAS's
> >> long-standing and distinguished study of small languages in Africa,
Asia,
> >> the Middle East and elsewhere. The Fund's trustees also share with S=
OAS
a
> >> commitment to the highest ethical standards when co-operating with
small
> >> language communities-- people who are often marginalized and
dispossessed.
> >>
> >> Part of the grant will underwrite an academic programme within SOAS,
> >> utilising SOAS's staff and facilities. It will train field-workers a=
nd
> >> deepen knowledge of endangered languages through specially designed
> >courses
> >> in field linguistics generally and endangered languages in particula=
r
as
> >> well as by co-ordinating scholarly activity, publicity and consultat=
ion
in
> >> the field.  But the bulk of the fund will be administered by SOAS to
> >provide
> >> grants to scholars throughout the world to document and analyse
endangered
> >> languages.
> >>
> >> Professor Colin Bundy, Director and Principal of SOAS, voiced
unqualified
> >> delight at the news of the award.  "SOAS was founded in 1916 as a
> >specialist
> >> institution for the study of languages in Asia, and later in Africa.
We
> >> created the first British linguistics department (in 1932) and our
Library
> >> was identified in 1961 as a national resource for the study of Afric=
a
and
> >> Asia.  Our history, mission and ethos equip us for this visionary
> >project."
> >> He stressed that in addition to the School's regionally defined
> >departments
> >> concentrating on language and culture its range of disciplinary
> >> departments - such as anthropology, history, linguistics - offered a
rich
> >> opportunity for becoming a world leader in the documentation and stu=
dy
of
> >> endangered languages.
> >>
> >> SOAS and the Fund together will underwrite the infrastructure to man=
age
> >this
> >> grants programs. This means that other families, foundations and
companies
> >> that would like to donate to this cause, will have the security of
knowing
> >> that 100% of their money goes directly to the recording and study of
> >nearly
> >> extinct languages.  The costs of research and documentation to ensur=
e
that
> >> full knowledge of a language and its use are preserved will vary, bu=
t
the
> >> average is about =A3150,000: we urge all readers of this to give
generously
> >to
> >> this profoundly important cause--before those thousands of the world=
's
> >> languages (well over 50% of the total) that are now highly threatene=
d,
> >> disappear forever. No sum is too small, and all money donated will g=
o
> >> directly, fully, and only to the cause of recording near-extinct
> >> languages--and thus save a unique world heritage.
> >>
> >> www.eldp.soas.ac.uk
> >>
> >> Direct payments to SOAS can be made direct to the School's bank at:
> >>
> >> National Westminster Bank plc
> >> 94 Moorgate
> >> London EC2M 6XT
> >> Sort Code: 56-00-23 Account No: 08622655
> >>
> >> All general enquiries should be addressed to Mary O'Shea at SOAS on
07898
> >> 4075 or mo...@so...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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[Indic-computing-standards] Re: [Indic-computing-devel] Fw: Endangered Languages Project

[Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@sr...>]

On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, fpohlmann, wrote:

Frank, can you follow up with SOAS, on the issue, may be we can benefit
through this process.

Regards

vijay

----- Original Message -----
From: "fpohlmann" <fpo...@ba...>
To: "Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya" <vi...@sr...>;
<Ind...@li...>;
<Ind...@li...>;
<mal...@ya...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Indic-computing-devel] Fw: Endangered Languages Project


> No problem, BUT:
>
> SOAS is pretty much on vacations right now. Try the 2nd week of Septemb=
er!
>
> -Frank
>
> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From "Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya"
<vi...@sr...>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >Hi,
> >
> >Please see this, very interesting proposasition, might be we can think=
 of
> >taking the cause of Indic - Project to them.
> >
> >vijay
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <in...@el...>
> >To: "Funknet" <fu...@li...>; "Linguist"
> ><lin...@un...>; "Endangered Languages"
> ><end...@ca...>; "Lagb Essex"
> ><la...@es...>; "LGShift" <lg...@li...>
> >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:19 AM
> >Subject: Endangered Languages Project
> >
> >
> >> Press Release
> >>
> >> To help explore and record linguistic diversity across the globe, a
> >British
> >> foundation has provided =A320,000,000 over ten years to create an
> >> international scholarly program to study endangered languages.
> >>
> >> The scale of the funding is commensurate with the urgent--and
> >> enormous--threat to the world's linguistic diversity. Many of the
> >languages
> >> that will be studied are linguistic isolates. All are very nearly
extinct.
> >> They have never been adequately analysed or recorded, and they are
> >typically
> >> spoken only by a few elderly people. These languages--and their
> >> speakers--deserve to be remembered, and to take their place in histo=
ry.
At
> >> the same time, this worldwide project to preserve crucial knowledge
about
> >> the world's linguistic heritage will vitally illuminate the history =
of
how
> >> humanity settled the earth.
> >>
> >> The Lisbet Rausing Charitable Fund aims to support research in the
> >> humanities and the social sciences. This grant, together with other
family
> >> benefactions amounting to many millions of pounds, is intended by th=
e
Hans
> >> Rausing family to help British universities maintain the highest
standards
> >> of academic scholarship.
> >>
> >> When deciding to secure the participation of SOAS in this program--a
> >process
> >> that took many months of consultation--the Fund's trustees expressed
the
> >> greatest confidence in the achievements and potential of the School,
and
> >in
> >> enthusiasm and dedication of its scholars and leaders. The trustees
were
> >> impressed by the fit between their own profound concern at the threa=
t
to
> >> knowledge of linguistic and cultural diversity globally, and SOAS's
> >> long-standing and distinguished study of small languages in Africa,
Asia,
> >> the Middle East and elsewhere. The Fund's trustees also share with S=
OAS
a
> >> commitment to the highest ethical standards when co-operating with
small
> >> language communities-- people who are often marginalized and
dispossessed.
> >>
> >> Part of the grant will underwrite an academic programme within SOAS,
> >> utilising SOAS's staff and facilities. It will train field-workers a=
nd
> >> deepen knowledge of endangered languages through specially designed
> >courses
> >> in field linguistics generally and endangered languages in particula=
r
as
> >> well as by co-ordinating scholarly activity, publicity and consultat=
ion
in
> >> the field.  But the bulk of the fund will be administered by SOAS to
> >provide
> >> grants to scholars throughout the world to document and analyse
endangered
> >> languages.
> >>
> >> Professor Colin Bundy, Director and Principal of SOAS, voiced
unqualified
> >> delight at the news of the award.  "SOAS was founded in 1916 as a
> >specialist
> >> institution for the study of languages in Asia, and later in Africa.
We
> >> created the first British linguistics department (in 1932) and our
Library
> >> was identified in 1961 as a national resource for the study of Afric=
a
and
> >> Asia.  Our history, mission and ethos equip us for this visionary
> >project."
> >> He stressed that in addition to the School's regionally defined
> >departments
> >> concentrating on language and culture its range of disciplinary
> >> departments - such as anthropology, history, linguistics - offered a
rich
> >> opportunity for becoming a world leader in the documentation and stu=
dy
of
> >> endangered languages.
> >>
> >> SOAS and the Fund together will underwrite the infrastructure to man=
age
> >this
> >> grants programs. This means that other families, foundations and
companies
> >> that would like to donate to this cause, will have the security of
knowing
> >> that 100% of their money goes directly to the recording and study of
> >nearly
> >> extinct languages.  The costs of research and documentation to ensur=
e
that
> >> full knowledge of a language and its use are preserved will vary, bu=
t
the
> >> average is about =A3150,000: we urge all readers of this to give
generously
> >to
> >> this profoundly important cause--before those thousands of the world=
's
> >> languages (well over 50% of the total) that are now highly threatene=
d,
> >> disappear forever. No sum is too small, and all money donated will g=
o
> >> directly, fully, and only to the cause of recording near-extinct
> >> languages--and thus save a unique world heritage.
> >>
> >> www.eldp.soas.ac.uk
> >>
> >> Direct payments to SOAS can be made direct to the School's bank at:
> >>
> >> National Westminster Bank plc
> >> 94 Moorgate
> >> London EC2M 6XT
> >> Sort Code: 56-00-23 Account No: 08622655
> >>
> >> All general enquiries should be addressed to Mary O'Shea at SOAS on
07898
> >> 4075 or mo...@so...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >-------------------------------------------------------
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>

[Indic-computing-standards] RE: [Indic-computing-devel] Fw: Endangered Languages Project

[fpohlmann <fpo...@ba...>]

No problem, BUT:

SOAS is pretty much on vacations right now. Try the 2nd week of September!

-Frank

>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From "Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya" <vi...@sr...> 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>Hi,
>
>Please see this, very interesting proposasition, might be we can think of
>taking the cause of Indic - Project to them.
>
>vijay
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <in...@el...>
>To: "Funknet" <fu...@li...>; "Linguist"
><lin...@un...>; "Endangered Languages"
><end...@ca...>; "Lagb Essex"
><la...@es...>; "LGShift" <lg...@li...>
>Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:19 AM
>Subject: Endangered Languages Project
>
>
>> Press Release
>>
>> To help explore and record linguistic diversity across the globe, a
>British
>> foundation has provided =A320,000,000 over ten years to create an
>> international scholarly program to study endangered languages.
>>
>> The scale of the funding is commensurate with the urgent--and
>> enormous--threat to the world's linguistic diversity. Many of the
>languages
>> that will be studied are linguistic isolates. All are very nearly extinct.
>> They have never been adequately analysed or recorded, and they are
>typically
>> spoken only by a few elderly people. These languages--and their
>> speakers--deserve to be remembered, and to take their place in history. At
>> the same time, this worldwide project to preserve crucial knowledge about
>> the world's linguistic heritage will vitally illuminate the history of how
>> humanity settled the earth.
>>
>> The Lisbet Rausing Charitable Fund aims to support research in the
>> humanities and the social sciences. This grant, together with other family
>> benefactions amounting to many millions of pounds, is intended by the Hans
>> Rausing family to help British universities maintain the highest standards
>> of academic scholarship.
>>
>> When deciding to secure the participation of SOAS in this program--a
>process
>> that took many months of consultation--the Fund's trustees expressed the
>> greatest confidence in the achievements and potential of the School, and
>in
>> enthusiasm and dedication of its scholars and leaders. The trustees were
>> impressed by the fit between their own profound concern at the threat to
>> knowledge of linguistic and cultural diversity globally, and SOAS's
>> long-standing and distinguished study of small languages in Africa, Asia,
>> the Middle East and elsewhere. The Fund's trustees also share with SOAS a
>> commitment to the highest ethical standards when co-operating with small
>> language communities-- people who are often marginalized and dispossessed.
>>
>> Part of the grant will underwrite an academic programme within SOAS,
>> utilising SOAS's staff and facilities. It will train field-workers and
>> deepen knowledge of endangered languages through specially designed
>courses
>> in field linguistics generally and endangered languages in particular as
>> well as by co-ordinating scholarly activity, publicity and consultation in
>> the field.  But the bulk of the fund will be administered by SOAS to
>provide
>> grants to scholars throughout the world to document and analyse endangered
>> languages.
>>
>> Professor Colin Bundy, Director and Principal of SOAS, voiced unqualified
>> delight at the news of the award.  "SOAS was founded in 1916 as a
>specialist
>> institution for the study of languages in Asia, and later in Africa.  We
>> created the first British linguistics department (in 1932) and our Library
>> was identified in 1961 as a national resource for the study of Africa and
>> Asia.  Our history, mission and ethos equip us for this visionary
>project."
>> He stressed that in addition to the School's regionally defined
>departments
>> concentrating on language and culture its range of disciplinary
>> departments - such as anthropology, history, linguistics - offered a rich
>> opportunity for becoming a world leader in the documentation and study of
>> endangered languages.
>>
>> SOAS and the Fund together will underwrite the infrastructure to manage
>this
>> grants programs. This means that other families, foundations and companies
>> that would like to donate to this cause, will have the security of knowing
>> that 100% of their money goes directly to the recording and study of
>nearly
>> extinct languages.  The costs of research and documentation to ensure that
>> full knowledge of a language and its use are preserved will vary, but the
>> average is about =A3150,000: we urge all readers of this to give generously
>to
>> this profoundly important cause--before those thousands of the world's
>> languages (well over 50% of the total) that are now highly threatened,
>> disappear forever. No sum is too small, and all money donated will go
>> directly, fully, and only to the cause of recording near-extinct
>> languages--and thus save a unique world heritage.
>>
>> www.eldp.soas.ac.uk
>>
>> Direct payments to SOAS can be made direct to the School's bank at:
>>
>> National Westminster Bank plc
>> 94 Moorgate
>> London EC2M 6XT
>> Sort Code: 56-00-23 Account No: 08622655
>>
>> All general enquiries should be addressed to Mary O'Shea at SOAS on 07898
>> 4075 or mo...@so...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
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>Welcome to geek heaven.
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Re: [Indic-computing-standards] Fw: Endangered Languages Project

[Nagarjuna G. <nag...@hb...>]

On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 09:21:29AM +0530, Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Please see this, very interesting proposasition, might be we can think of
> taking the cause of Indic - Project to them.
> 

How can our modern live indian languages be called endangered? How
will it fit with indic-computing?

Nagarjuna

[Indic-computing-standards] Fw: Endangered Languages Project

[Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@sr...>]

Hi,

Please see this, very interesting proposasition, might be we can think of
taking the cause of Indic - Project to them.

vijay

----- Original Message -----
From: <in...@el...>
To: "Funknet" <fu...@li...>; "Linguist"
<lin...@un...>; "Endangered Languages"
<end...@ca...>; "Lagb Essex"
<la...@es...>; "LGShift" <lg...@li...>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:19 AM
Subject: Endangered Languages Project


> Press Release
>
> To help explore and record linguistic diversity across the globe, a
British
> foundation has provided =A320,000,000 over ten years to create an
> international scholarly program to study endangered languages.
>
> The scale of the funding is commensurate with the urgent--and
> enormous--threat to the world's linguistic diversity. Many of the
languages
> that will be studied are linguistic isolates. All are very nearly extin=
ct.
> They have never been adequately analysed or recorded, and they are
typically
> spoken only by a few elderly people. These languages--and their
> speakers--deserve to be remembered, and to take their place in history.=
 At
> the same time, this worldwide project to preserve crucial knowledge abo=
ut
> the world's linguistic heritage will vitally illuminate the history of =
how
> humanity settled the earth.
>
> The Lisbet Rausing Charitable Fund aims to support research in the
> humanities and the social sciences. This grant, together with other fam=
ily
> benefactions amounting to many millions of pounds, is intended by the H=
ans
> Rausing family to help British universities maintain the highest standa=
rds
> of academic scholarship.
>
> When deciding to secure the participation of SOAS in this program--a
process
> that took many months of consultation--the Fund's trustees expressed th=
e
> greatest confidence in the achievements and potential of the School, an=
d
in
> enthusiasm and dedication of its scholars and leaders. The trustees wer=
e
> impressed by the fit between their own profound concern at the threat t=
o
> knowledge of linguistic and cultural diversity globally, and SOAS's
> long-standing and distinguished study of small languages in Africa, Asi=
a,
> the Middle East and elsewhere. The Fund's trustees also share with SOAS=
 a
> commitment to the highest ethical standards when co-operating with smal=
l
> language communities-- people who are often marginalized and dispossess=
ed.
>
> Part of the grant will underwrite an academic programme within SOAS,
> utilising SOAS's staff and facilities. It will train field-workers and
> deepen knowledge of endangered languages through specially designed
courses
> in field linguistics generally and endangered languages in particular a=
s
> well as by co-ordinating scholarly activity, publicity and consultation=
 in
> the field.  But the bulk of the fund will be administered by SOAS to
provide
> grants to scholars throughout the world to document and analyse endange=
red
> languages.
>
> Professor Colin Bundy, Director and Principal of SOAS, voiced unqualifi=
ed
> delight at the news of the award.  "SOAS was founded in 1916 as a
specialist
> institution for the study of languages in Asia, and later in Africa.  W=
e
> created the first British linguistics department (in 1932) and our Libr=
ary
> was identified in 1961 as a national resource for the study of Africa a=
nd
> Asia.  Our history, mission and ethos equip us for this visionary
project."
> He stressed that in addition to the School's regionally defined
departments
> concentrating on language and culture its range of disciplinary
> departments - such as anthropology, history, linguistics - offered a ri=
ch
> opportunity for becoming a world leader in the documentation and study =
of
> endangered languages.
>
> SOAS and the Fund together will underwrite the infrastructure to manage
this
> grants programs. This means that other families, foundations and compan=
ies
> that would like to donate to this cause, will have the security of know=
ing
> that 100% of their money goes directly to the recording and study of
nearly
> extinct languages.  The costs of research and documentation to ensure t=
hat
> full knowledge of a language and its use are preserved will vary, but t=
he
> average is about =A3150,000: we urge all readers of this to give genero=
usly
to
> this profoundly important cause--before those thousands of the world's
> languages (well over 50% of the total) that are now highly threatened,
> disappear forever. No sum is too small, and all money donated will go
> directly, fully, and only to the cause of recording near-extinct
> languages--and thus save a unique world heritage.
>
> www.eldp.soas.ac.uk
>
> Direct payments to SOAS can be made direct to the School's bank at:
>
> National Westminster Bank plc
> 94 Moorgate
> London EC2M 6XT
> Sort Code: 56-00-23 Account No: 08622655
>
> All general enquiries should be addressed to Mary O'Shea at SOAS on 078=
98
> 4075 or mo...@so...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Indic-computing-standards] Hi All!

[Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...>]

MAIT also has taken some initiative to standardise fonts for 
Indian languages. One can contact Vinnie Metha at 
ma...@vs....

Rgds,
Pavanaja

> 
> Actually this is the type of impasse the indic-computing project wants
> to resolve, to make sure local language groups have better access to
> these standardization processes and to make sure local languages are
> appropriately used and respresented in software and content.  We are
> looking forward to working together with local groups and linguists
> such as you mention as well as TDIL and MICT to achieve these goals.
> 
> You should probably come to the planning workshop we are organizing in
> Bangalore in mid-Sept.  Details to come on the list as soon as the
> date is finalized.
> 
> Regards,
> Tapan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mahesh T Pai" <pai...@vs...>
> Cc: <Ind...@li...>;
> <Ind...@li...>;
> <mal...@ya...>
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Indic-computing-standards] Re: [Indic-computing-devel]
> Hi All!
> 
> 
> >
> > Dr. U.B. Pavanaja wrote:
> >
> > >Ministry of I.C.T, Govt of India, is a voting member of Unicode
> consortium. They are collecting all the representations from
> individual languages, compiling them and sending them to Unicode
> consortium. Kannada group has already done its job. I request all
> other language groups to do their part so that MICT people can spead
> up the process. > > > Nice to know that something like this is going
> on.  Better late than > never. > This also means that the NCST will
> have to take a paid, institutional > membership  :-( > > >MICT wants
> to know from the language groups, ... > > > I think that this issue
> deserves better publicity.  A large number of > linguists in our
> academicia are not computer aware.  But they might be > able to help.
> > Who at MICT?  Is there a last date?  Will they accept email? (After
> all, > it is our Govt) > > Personally, I feel that a large number of
> characters in malayalam > deserve to be added to the unicode standard.
>  Example are the > characters, unicode ED15 to ED55 in malayalam.ttf,
> from > http://malayalamlinux.sourceforge.net/fonts/1.1/malayalam.ttf; 
> ie. > glyph characters 174 to 230 in that file. ( I had sought
> guidance on > some lists about unicode coding for these characters,
> and have no reply. >  hence, I presume that these characters are not
> covered by unicode). > > With regards, > > Mahesh T Pai. > > >
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