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From: <alo...@so...> - 2003-07-10 08:00:24
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Krishnamurthy Nagarajan writes: > > --- Ajay Guleria <aja...@ya...> wrote: > >> > is interested in granting permission to use their >> font glyphs for the >> > handbook, please let us know. >> >> You can also refer to them at >> http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0900.pdf > All possible sources, including the ones on the chart would still be worth using. No single font will have all the glyphs anyway. The question is: are there any copyright issues wrt to the pdf? http://www.unicode.org/copyright.html says, 7. Modification is not permitted with respect to this document. All copies of this document must be verbatim. I'm not very sure if the permissions are there, although it does seem absurd not to be able to use the charts. |
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From: Krishnamurthy N. <kn...@ya...> - 2003-07-10 07:56:19
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--- "Dr. U.B. Pavanaja" <pav...@vi...> wrote: > Unicode is not supposed to talk about glyphs. It is > only a character encoding. It is left to the > induvidual to have any combination of glyphs for the > > display. That's precisely my point - Unicode is only for char. encoding and we should look elsewhere for all the glyphs of a given 'script' - preferably standard text books on the subject. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com |
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From: Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...> - 2003-07-10 06:44:49
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Unicode is not supposed to talk about glyphs. It is only a character encoding. It is left to the induvidual to have any combination of glyphs for the display. -Pavanaja > --- Ajay Guleria <aja...@ya...> wrote: > > > > is interested in granting permission to use their > > font glyphs for the > > > handbook, please let us know. > > > > You can also refer to them at > > http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0900.pdf > > Well, this is an obvious answer for all of us. The > issue is that it covers only basic letters. So, we can > use the glyphs for basic letters and other marks (if > you can cut/paste them from the pdf file). But it > completely misses all the mathras (half-consonants) > and we would need to illustrate them in the handbook. > > cheers, > Nagarajan > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Parasoft > Error proof Web apps, automate testing & more. > Download & eval WebKing and get a free book. > www.parasoft.com/bulletproofapps > _______________________________________________ > Indic-computing-devel mailing list > http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/ > Ind...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/indic-computing-devel > [Other Indic-Computing mailing lists available: -users, -standards, -announce] > > ----------------------------------------------------- Dr. U.B. Pavanaja Editor, Vishva Kannada World's first Internet magazine in Kannada http://www.vishvakannada.com/ Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes |
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From: Krishnamurthy N. <kn...@ya...> - 2003-07-10 05:02:01
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--- Ajay Guleria <aja...@ya...> wrote: > > is interested in granting permission to use their > font glyphs for the > > handbook, please let us know. > > You can also refer to them at > http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0900.pdf Well, this is an obvious answer for all of us. The issue is that it covers only basic letters. So, we can use the glyphs for basic letters and other marks (if you can cut/paste them from the pdf file). But it completely misses all the mathras (half-consonants) and we would need to illustrate them in the handbook. cheers, Nagarajan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com |
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From: Ajay G. <aja...@ya...> - 2003-07-09 18:34:01
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> > > Devanagari uses decimal digits viz 0 thru 9 > > > > I thought the "hindi" numerals had a different shape from > > the "Roman" 0..9 ? > > Right, that's true. I was planning to add gif images for them. At the same > time, for official(ie government) use, the roman numerals are used. > > I added a bunch of images for the consonants yesterday, they are hand drawn > and look ugly. > Is there any other option? Font glyphs may be copy protected. So if anybody > is interested in granting permission to use their font glyphs for the > handbook, please let us know. You can also refer to them at http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0900.pdf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com |
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From: Krishnamurthy N. <kn...@ya...> - 2003-07-09 09:27:11
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reposting some of my comments to
indic-computing-devel:
> Nature of script
> ================
> Syllabic, though some words are now pronounced > >
differently from the way they are
Well, do we say it is 'phonetic' or syllabic ? I
thought it's called phonetic. Anyway, it's the users
of
the script (for various languages such as Hindi,
Marathi and so on) who have been deciding the
'pronunciation' of the syllables.
About 'phonetic' representation of letters of the
script : though there is no 'standard' to express
Indian languages/scripts in Roman phonetic script,
several developers/apps have been following some
'unwritten' standards (itrans, varamozhi, baraha etc
etc). Just check out those and attempt to synch up
with sync up with the current 'unwritten' stds (like
giving alternate representations).
What is vowel #8 (ee) ? It's just after 'e', so I am
assuming it's the elongated version of 'e', but I am
not sure if it exists in the languages that use
Devanagari (AFAIK, only South Indian languages have
it). Same Q with vowel #10 ('oo'). Actually 'oo' is a
nice representation for the elongated version of 'u'
(like in moong dal). Can't understand vowels 11 and
12.
Several consonants (mostly represented by the original
consonant with a 'dot' below) have been added for
Urdu. Pls mention them.
Consonant list - 'ksha', 'tra' and 'Gna' are missing
(actually I prefer the Roman phonetic equivalent
'thra' instead of 'tra').
Pls mention that 'mathras' - that is half-consonants -
are graphically 'partial' consonants and they add on
before/below the 'base' consonant to generate
'samyukthaaksharas'.
Conjuncts with multiple combinations (C*V) - you have
shown theoritical possibilities, but just about a few
thousands are practically legal/valid. Would be better
to mention it.
Specials - in addition to anuswar, I think visarg
(like the ':' symbol) needs to be mentioned.
Double vertical bar - one of the vedic specials (e.g
used at the end of a shlok)
Will get back if I have more comments
Nagarajan
--- Alok Kumar <alo...@so...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
http://www.geocities.com/alkuma/devanagari/en/index.html
> is supposed to contain material that is suitable for
>
http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/handbook/script-devanagari.html
> ie the devanagari script section for the Indic
> computing handbook.
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From: Alok K. <alo...@so...> - 2003-07-08 14:42:47
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> > > http://www.geocities.com/alkuma/devanagari/en/index.html > > > Upto 3 consonants we have; 20+37x20+37x37x20+37x37x37x20 > > Not all of these consonant combinations would be in use > though ... That's correct. Will try to give example words for the ones that are actually used, for as many conjuncts as possible. > > > Devanagari uses decimal digits viz 0 thru 9 > > I thought the "hindi" numerals had a different shape from > the "Roman" 0..9 ? Right, that's true. I was planning to add gif images for them. At the same time, for official(ie government) use, the roman numerals are used. I added a bunch of images for the consonants yesterday, they are hand drawn and look ugly. Is there any other option? Font glyphs may be copy protected. So if anybody is interested in granting permission to use their font glyphs for the handbook, please let us know. Even then, a font would normally have one form of a character's glyph, so we might need to use glyphs from many fonts to replace the hand drawn ones. Gradually the hand drawn graphemes should get replaced by machine generated ones. Thanks for the comments, more awaited. Regards Alok |
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From: <a_j...@ya...> - 2003-07-08 13:33:44
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[The FROM address seems to be wierd] > Devanagari numerals (there are variations b/n hindi & marathi ones > eg. > digits 8 & 9 etc), are more common in literary works & public > displays - but > official language policy by govt mandates use of "indo-arabic > romanised" > digits viz 0-9. What are the specific differences? This is exactly the kind of thing that a developer would want to know. Could you point us to a marathi font with the Marathi "8" and "9" digits? ===== Joseph Koshy, FreeBSD Developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/ Founder/Manager/Programmer/Peon, The Indic-Computing Project http://indic-computing.sf.net ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ |
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From: <a_j...@ya...> - 2003-07-08 01:27:43
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> http://www.geocities.com/alkuma/devanagari/en/index.html A nice start. > This is the first draft and very very rough. Sure. > Upto 3 consonants we have; 20+37x20+37x37x20+37x37x37x20 Not all of these consonant combinations would be in use though ... > Devanagari uses decimal digits viz 0 thru 9 I was under the impression that the "hindi" numerals were distinct from the "Roman" digits 0..9 ? Maybe we can distinguish between "common use" and the "canonical" forms. > [Add sound file for pronunciation] I initially thought about adding IPA symbols (international phonetic alphabet) against each indic character displayed in the handbook. However, on reflection, I came to the conclusion that this would be (a) misleading: because pronounciation varies widely even among 'native' speakers and (b) also probably unnecessary -- the way humans pronounce a given word or character is not relevant to a computer handling text. ===== Joseph Koshy, FreeBSD Developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/ Founder/Manager/Programmer/Peon, The Indic-Computing Project http://indic-computing.sf.net ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ |
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From: <a_j...@ya...> - 2003-07-08 01:25:12
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> http://www.geocities.com/alkuma/devanagari/en/index.html A nice start. > This is the first draft and very very rough. Sure. > Upto 3 consonants we have; 20+37x20+37x37x20+37x37x37x20 Not all of these consonant combinations would be in use though ... > Devanagari uses decimal digits viz 0 thru 9 I thought the "hindi" numerals had a different shape from the "Roman" 0..9 ? > [Add sound file for pronunciation] I initially thought about adding IPA symbols (international phonetic alphabet) against each indic character displayed in the handbook. However, on reflection, I came to the conclusion that this would be (a) misleading: because pronounciation varies widely even among 'native' speakers and (b) also probably unnecessary -- the way humans pronounce a given word or character is not relevant to a computer handling text. ===== Joseph Koshy, FreeBSD Developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/ Founder/Manager/Programmer/Peon, The Indic-Computing Project http://indic-computing.sf.net ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ |
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From: Alok K. <alo...@so...> - 2003-07-06 16:34:01
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Hi, http://www.geocities.com/alkuma/devanagari/en/index.html is supposed to contain material that is suitable for http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/handbook/script-devanagari.html ie the devanagari script section for the Indic computing handbook. This is the first draft and very very rough.=20 Requesting a review of the content before it is submitted to the = committers. Particularly, please comment on 1. Missing characters 2. Missing combinations 3. Factual errors 4. Locations from where more information can be obtained (they need not = be online) 5. Information which you think should be available but is not there. I would be working on this on weekends, so hope to have enough stuff to = work on in the next five days thanks to your comments. It may be a little premature even to request a review, but I just want = to ensure we're going in the right direction. All review comments would be acknowledged. Thanks in advance. Regards Alok --=20 =E0=A4=86=E0=A4=B2=E0=A5=8B=E0=A4=95 = =E0=A4=95=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=B0 +91-80-653-8200 http://geocities.com/alkuma/seehindi.html http://9211.blogspot.com |
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From: Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...> - 2003-06-30 14:10:48
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----- Forwarded by Manoj Jain/doe on 06/27/03 07:24 PM -----
Rick McGowan <ri...@un... To: un...@un... Sent by:
Subject: [indic] Unicode Public Review Issues update ind...@un...
06/25/03 12:38 AM
The Unicode Technical Committee has posted two new issues for public
review and comment. Details are on the following web page:
http://www.unicode.org/review/
Review periods for the new items close on August 15, 2003.
Please see the page for links to discussion and relevant documents.
Briefly, the two new issues are:
Issue #9 Bengali Reph and Ya-Phalaa
Proposal: Resolve an ambiguity with regard to handling of reph and
ya-phalaa in Bengali implementation by using ZWNJ between Ra and Halant
(Virama).
Issue #10 Interlinear Annotation Characters
Proposal: Change the General Category for the Interlinear Annotation
Characters from Cf to Po (Punctuation Other), and thereby change the status
to not be Default_Ignorable_Code_Points.
If you have comments for official UTC consideration, please post them by
submitting your comments through our feedback & reporting page:
http://www.unicode.org/reporting.html
If you wish to discuss the issues on the Unicode mail list, then please
use the following link. Please be aware that discussion comments on the
Unicode mail list are not automatically recorded as input to the UTC. You
must use the reporting link above to generate UTC consideration.
http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html
Regards,
Rick McGowan
Unicode, Inc.
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From: Andrew J. <ajo...@bo...> - 2003-06-13 08:11:41
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The community may be interested to read this news item about a Hindi machine translation experiment in the US http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,59093,00.html Andrew Joscelyne Bootstrap: Language Technology & Communication 21 rue de Turbigo F-75002 Paris +33 1 53407882 |
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From: Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...> - 2003-06-13 03:38:49
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<?xml version="1.0" ?><html> <head> <title></title> </head> <body> <p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size:14pt"><b>The Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator</b></span></font></p> <p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Ever wanted to quickly and easily define your own keyboard layout for a language Microsoft doesn't support? Or define your own keyboard layout so you can quickly and easily enter your favorite symbols with a simple keystroke? Well, want no more: the Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator is here! </span></font></p> <p><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/msklc.mspx"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt"><u>http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/msklc.mspx</u></span></font></a></p> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Of course, this is MS Windows only!</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">-Pavanaja-----------------------------------------------------</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Dr. U.B. Pavanaja</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Editor, Vishva Kannada</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">World's first Internet magazine in Kannada</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">http://www.vishvakannada.com/</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes</span></font></div> <div align="left"></div> </body> </html> |
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From: Venky H. <ve...@vs...> - 2003-06-09 07:51:39
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> Joseph Koshy wrote: <snip> > >We should be thinking of educating our 3 million plus developers; > >not just 30-odd attendees per workshop. One of the focii of the > >Indic-Computing project is to help the Indic developer community > >bootstrap itself. This is precisely where the font workshop or the Marathi Computing workshop that Prof. Jitendra Shah and I put together in Mumbai recently help. It may not produce direct results in terms of immediate contributions to the handbook but it plays a critical role in reaching out to the broader community. There may have been just 30 odd people attending the workshop, but I think that's a commendable number for a subject that's not (yet) as cool and sexy as, say, Free/Open Source Software. As the Chinese say, "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." At the Marathi Computing meet, we found that the linguistic community was eager to work on these issues but had no clue on how to move forward. Commercial software vendors are interested in understanding the developments happening in the Indic computing world and Free/Open Source community and the threats/opportunities they face. Some of them are open minded and willing to contribute fonts etc to the community. Developers were curious to meet people who had expertise in Indic computing and build a one-to-one relationship. As far as I can see, this is precisely what Indic Computing should be doing--catalyse the interests of different groups to create a future where Indians can compute with ease in their own language(s). If linguistic groups are made aware of how their languages can be a part of the digital age, the Indic community as a whole grows. If developers learn how to work on Indic scripts, localization etc. through such meetings, the Indic community grows. Maybe out of 100 people, one person will contribute to the handbook but that just means that if we want 10 volunteers, we have to reach out to a 1000 people. Having said that, we also need to ensure that, in future, these efforts are closely tied up with the handbook because a common reference point like the handbook is valuable and essential. Venky PS: I am surprised that the details of the font workshop are not there on the web site. This would be a good way to spread awareness of font-related issues relevant to Indic computing. |
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From: Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...> - 2003-06-08 13:44:35
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Dear Koshy & devel, Joseph Koshy wrote: >>Nepal & Bangladesh). The regional groups would be taking up resource >>building in each language and form teams of volunteers to take up >>these >>issues through workshops, meetings, training sessions, conferences >>etc. >> >> > >The idea of formation of regional groups did come up in the first >workshop. However, what didn't get clarified was how the efforts >of these groups would tie into the Indic-Computing project. > >If there is a concrete plan to feed the knowledge being gathered >into the Handbook or TechMap, so that this knowledge becomes >widely available to the Indic developer community, then I can >see great value in these efforts. > You have raised the right issue and recalled the plan completely right. Yes! the plan is to have these regional groups to contribute in development of resource for the particular language for the handbook and techmap. But if we see then these type of associations (formal & informal) are already there in some of the regions, the only problem at there end is lack of common/standard help, they need some guidance and learning from other indic regional groups. > >If instead, the aim is to conduct workshops and meets for a >select few, and not to add to the body of Indic knowledge >in the public domain, then these groups would be similar to the >other technical cliques you see dotting the Indic landscape. > The aim of the regional workshop/consultation/training sessions/meetings should be to identify problem, stakeholders and developers who can contribute in development of the resources as mentioned above. Regional group would help in achieving this and would give voice/feedback to Indic-Computing group for suggestion and technical help, while sharing there development with the wider community. > >Take the example of the font workshop that was held in March: the >knowledge shared there isn't in the Handbook because nobody >contributed it. So, if a developer missed attending this >workshop; tough luck :(. > On the Indic-font workshop held in March, some of the presentation and notes were put on a CD and given to participants along with tools/softwares/guidelines/whitepapers for development of fonts. The CD is available with <ki...@de...>, however I agree that none of the inputs got into the handbook, may be now we can take up and request the presenters to contribute, I could also write on this, and those who read this and participated could come back with there contribution in the relevant section of the handbook. > >We should be thinking of educating our 3 million plus developers; >not just 30-odd attendees per workshop. One of the focii of the >Indic-Computing project is to help the Indic developer community >bootstrap itself[1]. > True and we have to work hard to achieve the goal, and for this development of handbook and techmap on a much faster track is very essential. > >If this is not a core goal of the 'consortium' you are talking >about, could you please explain the value that the consortium adds >to the community? Perhaps I'm missing something ... > > I would put the values of the consortium the same as values of me and you and all members on the list or working for Indic-Computing, there pain and struggle define the values. What ever structure evolves should be reflecting these values. best vijay |
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From: <a_j...@ya...> - 2003-06-08 08:59:57
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Hi Vijay and -devel,
[CC lists trimmed]
> Nepal & Bangladesh). The regional groups would be taking up resource
> building in each language and form teams of volunteers to take up
> these
> issues through workshops, meetings, training sessions, conferences
> etc.
The idea of formation of regional groups did come up in the first
workshop. However, what didn't get clarified was how the efforts
of these groups would tie into the Indic-Computing project.
If there is a concrete plan to feed the knowledge being gathered
into the Handbook or TechMap, so that this knowledge becomes
widely available to the Indic developer community, then I can
see great value in these efforts.
If instead, the aim is to conduct workshops and meets for a
select few, and not to add to the body of Indic knowledge
in the public domain, then these groups would be similar to the
other technical cliques you see dotting the Indic landscape.
Take the example of the font workshop that was held in March: the
knowledge shared there isn't in the Handbook because nobody
contributed it. So, if a developer missed attending this
workshop; tough luck :(.
We should be thinking of educating our 3 million plus developers;
not just 30-odd attendees per workshop. One of the focii of the
Indic-Computing project is to help the Indic developer community
bootstrap itself[1].
If this is not a core goal of the 'consortium' you are talking
about, could you please explain the value that the consortium adds
to the community? Perhaps I'm missing something ...
Footnotes:
[1] The "Design Axes" article talks of the issues faced by
developers attempting to deploy indic solutions in the field
today:
Title: Design Axes for the Indian Language Computing Market
URL: http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/designaxes/
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Founder/Manager/Programmer/Peon, The Indic-Computing Project
http://indic-computing.sf.net
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From: Vijay P. S. A. <vi...@ek...> - 2003-06-07 04:49:47
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Dear Jaldhar, Good to hear about your efforts and willingness for working on Indian language technology. Allow me to introduce you to the Indic-Computing effort. Indic-Computing project at Sourceforge has been active since last two years on issues for Indic languages. We called for the first workshop on standardisation issues and other problems in September 2002 at Bangalore from where we decided to develop a concerted effort for removing anomalies in indic language technologies and stardardisation. You can join the group at http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net. We are trying to consolidate the group as "Indic-Computing Consortium" a representative body which shall allow partnership between developers, academic institutions, corporate and government to enable development of indic language technologies. We have started building regional groups now after holding a workshop on font issues in march 2003 again in Bangalore which we had representatives from three countries (India, Nepal & Bangladesh). The regional groups would be taking up resource building in each language and form teams of volunteers to take up these issues through workshops, meetings, training sessions, conferences etc. Several language groups such as Malayalam, Bengali, Hindi, Punjabi, Marathi have made substantial progress towards consolidation and holding of first meeting in near future. Our aim is to have these groups for all indic languages. We are trying to build support for the consortium in the expat community also, we would be happy to have your and other willing people, contribution for development of Indic-computing. I am sending you some reports in my next mail (to you) on the developments till and future plans. best wishes vijay -- Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya ekgaon technologies email: vi...@ek... website: http://www.ekgaon.com Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: >Hello everyone, > >My name is Jaldhar Vyas. I am 32 years old and live in Jersey City, New >Jersey, USA with my wife Jyoti and infant daughter Shailaja. My family is >from Gujarat but I was born in UK and have lived there and in the US my >whole life. I can speak, read, and write Gujarati but owing to a lack of >formal education my grammar and vocabulary is not always that good which >is something my wife (who was born in Gujarat) is always teasing me about. >So I've decided to do something about it. You can't learn a language well >without practice and as I spend a lot of time on the computer, I wanted to >see what could be done using Gujarati there. I am also one of the >organizers of the Advaita Vedanta home page and mailing list >(http://wwww.advaita-vedanta.org) and there we have a need for using >Sanskrit in our communications. > >I have been a Debian GNU/Linux developer since 1997. I decided to put my >language and computing interests together and start a subproject within >Debian called Debian-IN to facilitate the development of Indian language >support. Although I'm not one of those people who is against making money >with software, it is readily apparent that the cause of Indic language >computing has been hurt by multiple, proprietary solutions and a lack of >standards. Thus it is vital that the basic computing infrastructure >should be free software only. Debian is dedicated to the principles of >free software so it will be a good foundation. > >I have joined the indlinux-group and indlinux-gujarati lists and look >forward to being an active participant. > > > > |
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From: Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...> - 2003-06-07 03:18:57
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<?xml version="1.0" ?><html> <head> <title></title> </head> <body> <p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">From VOLT Discussion group (http://groups.msn.com/MicrosoftVOLTuserscommunity/)</span></font></p> <p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">-Pavanaja</span></font></p> <p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">-----------------------</span></font></p> <p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">From Paul Nelson, Microsoft Typography:</span></font></p> <p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">I have completed some minor adjustments to the USP10 to correct Bengali functionality and will be sending it to people to beta test as soon as I finish verifying some conjunct forms for the Vrinda font. </span></font></p> <p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">If anyone is interested in participating with a private beta of Bengali, please send mail to me directly. </span></font></p> <p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Please note that the behavior set out in Unicode 4.0 defines a requirement to get the reph form by typing: Ra + halant + ZWJ as the first part of the cluster. </span></font></p> <p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Paul</span></font></p> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">-----------------------------------------------------</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Dr. U.B. Pavanaja</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Editor, Vishva Kannada</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">World's first Internet magazine in Kannada</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">http://www.vishvakannada.com/</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br/> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes</span></font></div> <div align="left"></div> </body> </html> |
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From: Keyur S. <key...@ya...> - 2003-06-02 04:54:08
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--- Joseph Koshy <a_j...@ya...> wrote: > Which open-source rendering libraries actually use OpenType's GSUB > and GPOS tables to do glyph rendering? > > The released FreeType library API (v2.1.4) doesn't seem to > support this, nor does it expose any way for an application to get at > this information. GSUB/GPOS handling code was present in FreeType1. Then FreeType gurus removed that support from FreeType2 and planned to provide higher level rendering libraries for opentype fonts. A project was started more than two years ago (http://cvs.freetype.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ftlayout/). But I think they have stopped working on it for some unknown reason. > > Has anyone on this list know of a rendering toolkit that is: > > (a) open-source > and > (b) support OpenTypes GPOS and GSUB tables? While ICU is a very good library to look into, you may also want to look at the code of yudit which now also supports GPOS in addition to GSUB. We, at C-DAC Mumbai, are also planning to write an open source library specially for OpenType Indic support. - Keyur __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com |
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From: Arun M <ar...@fr...> - 2003-06-01 10:16:49
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> Pango appears to be a little difficult to use for a 'standalone' > tool. I'll look at ICU again. The indic part of Pango is port from ICU. > >From the first glance though, neither of these two APIs allow > you to actually access the GPOS and GSUB tables in an opentype > font. See the folder pango/opentype arun. |
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From: <a_j...@ya...> - 2003-06-01 07:17:31
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Arun, > see pango and ICU project. Thanks for your response. Pango appears to be a little difficult to use for a 'standalone' tool. I'll look at ICU again. From the first glance though, neither of these two APIs allow you to actually access the GPOS and GSUB tables in an opentype font. ===== Joseph Koshy, FreeBSD Developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/ Founder/Manager/Programmer/Peon, The Indic-Computing Project http://indic-computing.sf.net ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com |
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From: Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...> - 2003-05-31 16:49:13
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Malayalees, pl take a look. -Pavanaja ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "U B Pavanaja" <pav...@ho...> To: pav...@vi... BCC to: Subject: Fwd: Malayalam in Uniscribe Date sent: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:15:25 +0000 >From: "Paul Nelson \(TYPOGRAPHY\)" >To: , >Subject: Malayalam in Uniscribe >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 06:04:08 -0700 >Dear Ajayalal and Pavanaja, > >I am preparing to begin looking at the Malayalam support in Unscribe so >we can ship a system update later this year. > >Can you please help me understand any issues/deficiencies for Malayalam >text handling that currently exist in Uniscribe? I would like to make >these adjustments and provide an updated copy of USP10.DLL for you to >test. > >If there are any others who should participate in a beta program for >Malayalam, can you please let me know their names and e-mail addresses? > >Regards, > >Paul Reconnect with old pals. Relive the happy times With just one click. ------- End of forwarded message ------------------------------- ----------------------------- Dr. U.B. Pavanaja Editor, Vishva Kannada World's first Internet magazine in Kannada http://www.vishvakannada.com/ Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes |
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From: <a_j...@ya...> - 2003-05-30 18:20:05
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Which open-source rendering libraries actually use OpenType's GSUB and GPOS tables to do glyph rendering? The released FreeType library API (v2.1.4) doesn't seem to support this, nor does it expose any way for an application to get at this information. Has anyone on this list know of a rendering toolkit that is: (a) open-source and (b) support OpenTypes GPOS and GSUB tables? ===== Joseph Koshy, FreeBSD Developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/ Founder/Manager/Programmer/Peon, The Indic-Computing Project http://indic-computing.sf.net ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com |
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From: <a_j...@ya...> - 2003-05-28 18:58:35
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Milestone 1 of the Python FreeType wrapper is now available for download. This is pre-alpha in functionality and would be of interest only to FreeType, Python and Pyrex developers. The home page for this sub-project is available at: http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/projects/pyfreetype2/ You may download the sources via the standard SF file release system: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=38057 The CVS tree is available for browsing at: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/indic-computing/src/py-freetype/ ===== Joseph Koshy, FreeBSD Developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/ Founder/Manager/Programmer/Peon, The Indic-Computing Project http://indic-computing.sf.net ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com |
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