From: Jorg S. <jor...@gm...> - 2007-04-26 05:34:05
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Hi Simon, thanks for your input. (I'll leave the entire message intact as it seems it wasn't sent to gtkpod-devel). > "did anyone here change the iPod's disklabel successfully on LINUX?" > > Does this count?... > > I use the following hal fdi file for my own ipod, where XXXXXXXXXXXXX > is the ipods serial. It mounts to /media/ipod-si (which has 600 perms > :)). No, that does not count. You didn't change the label ;-) Cheers, JCS. -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:06:47 +1000 Von: "Simon Naunton" <sna...@gm...> An: "Jorg Schuler" <jor...@gm...> Betreff: Re: [Gtkpod-devel] libgpod udev/hal integration > I agree with Jorg. Bad idea - must be too many > friend/partner/wife/husband/{flat,room}mate-less linux users :). > > Both my GF and I have ipods which may be plugged in at the same time. > > "did anyone here change the iPod's disklabel successfully on LINUX?" > > Does this count?... > > I use the following hal fdi file for my own ipod, where XXXXXXXXXXXXX > is the ipods serial. It mounts to /media/ipod-si (which has 600 perms > :)). > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?> <!-- -*- SGML -*- --> > <deviceinfo version="0.2"> > <device> > <match key="@block.storage_device:portable_audio_player.type" > string="ipod"> > <match key="@block.storage_device:storage.serial" > string="Apple_iPod_XXXXXXXXXXXXX"> > <merge key="volume.label" type="string">Simon's Ipod</merge> > <merge key="volume.policy.desired_mount_point" > type="string">ipod-si</merge> > </match> > </match> > </device> > </deviceinfo> > > I don't think that libgpod is the right place for using HAL. It would > add another unnecessary dependency - it is perfectly reasonable to use > libgpod in an application which does not need or is unable to monitor > hal e.g. a non-interactive command line app, like, for example, a > libgpod based version of gnupod. > > Anyway, that's my 2c... back under my rock I go. > > Cheers, > > Simon > > On 4/26/07, Jorg Schuler <jor...@gm...> wrote: > > Thanks Richard, > > > > nice reading. > > > > It doesn't answer the question on why these scripts should come with > libgpod instead of with hal. > > > > Another thing I'd like to point out: in the article you linked to the > author is saying he wants to have all iPods mount at /media/ipod instead of > /media/<DISKLABEL>. As I own two iPods I don't think this is a good idea... > (which brings me to the next point: did anyone here change the iPod's > disklabel successfully on LINUX? All my attempts failed so far). > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > JCS. > > > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Datum: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:21:30 +0100 (BST) > > Von: "P.G. Richardson" <p.g...@ph...> > > An: "Jorg Schuler" <Jor...@gm...> > > CC: gtkpod-devel <gtk...@li...> > > Betreff: Re: [Gtkpod-devel] libgpod udev/hal integration > > > > > Jorg, > > > > > > As I understood it when playing around with the hal, the rules files > would > > > be installed into the hal config directory. When udev detects a device > is > > > attached and hands off to hal, the latter looks at its rules files and > > > decides what the device is according to there rules files. Thus, if > you > > > have a rules file with a higher priority (ie. lower number in file > name), > > > it is the file used by hal to "identify" the device with. Failure to > > > identify the device means hal will then try the next rules file and so > on. > > > > > > Thus, on installation of libgpod, this rules file will get installed > and > > > thus give a more accurate assertion of what the device being > identified by > > > hal would be. > > > > > > This explains it better than me: > > > http://www.mythic-beasts.com/~mark/random/hal/ > > > > > > Hope it helps. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > PGR > > > > > > > Hi Jeff, > > > > > > > > all iPods are generic storage devices as far as libgpod is > concerned. > > > > > > > > Concerning the rule files -- I don't quite understand if they belong > in > > > > libgpod. At this time libgpod expects a valid mountpoint and leaves > > > > everything else up to the operating system. Maybe you can explain > what > > > > I'm missing. > > > > > > > > A release of libgpod was scheduled for around next week... no real > > > > schedule, though... > > > > > > > > JCS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Mitchell wrote: > > > >> Excellent, that's very useful. I don't know the different storage > > > >> capabilities of the different iPods, so I will probably (at least > > > >> initially) skip the storage information that the default HAL rule > had > > > -- > > > >> unless you can verify which ones support acting as a generic > storage > > > >> device and which ones don't. > > > >> > > > >> If I get this done, would you be willing to release a new version > of > > > >> libgpod with the rules files? (I don't know your normal release > > > >> schedule, so don't know if the next release was planned soon, or > never > > > >> :-) ). > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Jeff > > > >> > > > >> Jorg Schuler wrote: > > > >>> Hi Jeff, > > > >>> > > > >>> you're right -- libgpod is not the library to do iPod detection. > > > >>> udev/HAL seems to be a better way. Unfortunately I know little > about > > > >>> them... > > > >>> > > > >>> The only thing I can help out with here is my collection of > 'lsusb' > > > >>> outputs, which I'll paste below. If you would need a different > > > >>> collection I can offer to put up a survey note on the gtkpod.org > > > >>> homepage. > > > >>> > > > >>> Cheers, > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> JCS. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> lsusb -- everything after the last ':' is a comment by myself > > > >>> > > > >>> The it appears the ID can actually be used to identify the model, > by > > > >>> the way -- anyone feeling like patching libgpod? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ! 1 Bus 005 Device 005: ID 05ac:1203 Apple Computer, Inc.: 40GB > 4th > > > >>> Gen (White) > > > >>> 2 Bus 001 Device 032: ID 05ac:120a Apple Computer, Inc.: 4GB > Nano > > > >>> (1G, white) > > > >>> 3 Bus 001 Device 031: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: 80GB > Video > > > >>> (white) > > > >>> 4 Bus 005 Device 003: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: 60GB > Video > > > >>> (black) > > > >>> ! 5 Bus 002 Device 003: ID 05ac:1203 Apple Computer, Inc.: 40G Gen > 4 > > > >>> (white) > > > >>> 6 Bus 001 Device 003: ID 05ac:1300 Apple Computer, Inc.: iPod > > > >>> Shuffle (.5GB) > > > >>> 7 Bus 004 Device 003: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: 5G iPod > > > >>> Video > > > >>> 8 Bus 002 Device 005: ID 05ac:1205 Apple Computer, Inc.: 1G Mini > > > >>> 9 Bus 004 Device 004: ID 05ac:1260 Apple Computer, Inc.: 2G Nano > 8GB > > > >>> 10 Bus 005 Device 009: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: 30GB > Video > > > >>> (5G) > > > >>> 11 Bus 003 Device 002: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: 60GB > Video > > > >>> (5G) > > > >>> 12 Bus 001 Device 005: ID 05ac:1301 Apple Computer, Inc.: 1GB > Shuffle > > > >>> (2G) > > > >>> 13 Bus 003 Device 007: ID 05ac:120a Apple Computer, Inc.: 2GB > Nano > > > >>> (1G, white) > > > >>> 14 Bus 004 Device 011: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: Video > (5G) > > > >>> 15 Bus 005 Device 002: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: 60GB > Video > > > >>> (5G) > > > >>> 16 Bus 003 Device 003: ID 05ac:1260 Apple Computer, Inc.: 4GB > Nano > > > >>> (2G) > > > >>> 17 Bus 001 Device 009: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: 30GB > Video > > > >>> (5G) > > > >>> 18 Bus 004 Device 007: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: 60GB > Video > > > >>> (5G) > > > >>> 19 Bus 005 Device 003: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: 30GB > Video > > > >>> (5G) > > > >>> 20 Bus 002 Device 004: ID 05ac:1201 Apple Computer, Inc.: 30GB > Reg. > > > >>> (3G) > > > >>> !21 Bus 002 Device 005: ID 05ac:1203 Apple Computer, Inc.: 20GB > Reg. > > > >>> (4G) > > > >>> 22 Bus 005 Device 005: ID 05ac:1260 Apple Computer, Inc.: Nano > (2G) > > > >>> 23 Bus 007 Device 015: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: 30GB > Video > > > >>> (5G) > > > >>> 24 Bus 004 Device 003: ID 05ac:1260 Apple Computer, Inc.: Nano > (2G) > > > >>> 25 05ac:1204 : 20GB > Color > > > >>> (4G) > > > >>> 26 Bus 004 Device 005: ID 05ac:1260 Apple Computer, Inc.: 8GB > Nano > > > >>> (2G) > > > >>> 27 Bus 004 Device 004: ID 05ac:1204 Apple Computer, Inc.: 60GB > Photo > > > >>> 28 ID 05ac:1201 Apple Computer, Inc.: 3G iPod > > > >>> 29 Bus 005 Device 023: ID 05ac:1201 Apple Computer, Inc.: 3G iPod > > > >>> 30 Bus 004 Device 003: ID 05ac:1204 Apple Computer, Inc.: 20GB > Photo > > > >>> (A079) > > > >>> 31 Bus 005 Device 005: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: 80GB > Video > > > >>> !32 Bus 002 Device 005: ID 05ac:1205 Apple Computer, Inc.: 4GB > Mini > > > >>> 33 Bus 003 Device 007: ID 05ac:1209 Apple Computer, Inc.: 80GB > Video > > > >>> 34 Bus 001 Device 017: ID 22b8:4810 Motorola PCS E398 Storage: > > > >>> Motorala Phone > > > >>> 35 Bus 001 Device 003: ID 05ac:1205 Apple Computer, Inc.: 6GB > Mini > > > >>> 36 Bus 001 Device 034: ID 05ac:1201 Apple Computer, Inc.: Regular > > > (3G) > > > >>> 37 Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05ac:1205 Apple Computer, Inc.: 1G Mini > > > >>> 38 Bus 001 Device 036: ID 05ac:1300 Apple Computer, Inc.: 1G > Shuffle > > > >>> 39 Bus 004 Device 005: ID 05ac:1203 Apple Computer, Inc.: 4G > > > >>> monochrome > > > >>> 40 Bus 001 Device 005: ID 05ac:1205 Apple Computer, Inc.: 2G Mini > > > >>> (A1051) > > > >>> 41 Bus 001 Device 003: ID 05ac:1301 Apple Computer, Inc.: 2G > Shuffle > > > >>> (1GB) > > > >>> 42 Bus 005 Device 019: ID 05ac:1203 Apple Computer, Inc.: 4G mono > > > >>> 43 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05ac:1203 Apple Computer, Inc.: 4G mono > > > >>> 44 Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05ac:1300 Apple Computer, Inc.: 1G > 512MB > > > >>> iPod Shuffle > > > >>> 45 Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05ac:1204 Apple Computer, Inc.: iPod > Photo > > > >>> 46 Bus 001 Device 010: ID 05ac:120a Apple Computer, Inc.: 1G Nano > > > >>> 47 Bus 005 Device 027: ID 05ac:1204 Apple Computer, Inc.: iPod > Photo > > > >>> 48 Bus 004 Device 032: ID 05ac:1202 Apple Computer, Inc.: 1G? > Mini > > > >>> 49 Bus 001 Device 008: ID 05ac:1204 Apple Computer, Inc.: 4G > Photo > > > >>> (color) > > > >>> > > > >>> Summary: > > > >>> 05ac:1201: Regular (3G) > > > >>> 05ac:1202: Mini (1G) > > > >>> 05ac:1203: Photo?, Regular (4G) > > > >>> 05ac:1204: Color (4G) > > > >>> 05ac:1205: Mini (1G+2G) > > > >>> 05ac:1209: Video (5G) > > > >>> 05ac:120a: Nano (1G) > > > >>> 05ac:1260: Nano (2G) > > > >>> 05ac:1300: Shuffle (1G) > > > >>> 05ac:1301: Shuffle (2G) > > > >>> 22b8:4810: Motorala Phone (PCS E398) > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Jeff Mitchell wrote: > > > >>>> Greetings-- > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I work on Amarok, which supports iPod devices natively through > > > >>>> libgpod, and am in contact with the guys working on Solid for > KDE4. > > > >>>> One things that is common to most of the proprietary libraries > > > >>>> (libgpod, libifp, libmtp, etc) is that there is no good way to > > > >>>> detect when such a device is plugged in, as well as what type of > > > >>>> device it is. Often you can detect one or the other but not > both. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The way to do this lies with udev/HAL. I won't go into them, as > I'm > > > >>>> sure you're well aware of what they do and how they work...but > I'm > > > >>>> unclear as to whether or not libgpod is really fully supported > with > > > >>>> the current setup (as I don't have an iPod myself). > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The current 10-usb-music-players.fdi contains this: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> <!-- Apple iPod - TODO: use USB ids to determine exact output > > > >>>> formats --> > > > >>>> <match key="storage.vendor" contains="Apple"> > > > >>>> <match key="storage.model" contains="iPod"> > > > >>>> <append key="info.capabilities" > > > >>>> type="strlist">portable_audio_player</append> > > > >>>> <merge key="info.category" > > > >>>> type="string">portable_audio_player</merge> > > > >>>> <merge key="portable_audio_player.access_method" > > > >>>> type="string">storage</merge> > > > >>>> <merge key="portable_audio_player.type" > > > >>>> type="string">ipod</merge> > > > >>>> <merge key="portable_audio_player.storage_device" > > > >>>> type="copy_property">info.udi</merge> > > > >>>> <append key="portable_audio_player.output_formats" > > > >>>> type="strlist">audio/mpeg</append> > > > >>>> <append key="portable_audio_player.output_formats" > > > >>>> type="strlist">audio/aac</append> > > > >>>> <merge key="storage.requires_eject" > > > >>>> type="bool">true</merge> > > > >>>> </match> > > > >>>> </match> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Since I don't have an iPod/many iPods, I don't know if this is > > > >>>> enough to match the whole range of devices (perhaps it is? You > guys > > > >>>> would probably know for sure). > > > >>>> > > > >>>> If any work needs to be done in this regard, I'm quite willing to > > > >>>> help out with this > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thanks, > > > >>>> Jeff > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>> > > > >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > > > >>>> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take > > > >>>> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. 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