From: Don A. <don...@co...> - 2005-03-07 21:09:17
|
After having a few discussions with people, it has been pointed out to me that GRAMPS is lacking in research planning tools. This is probably something that we should look into correcting. So, here is your chance to influence the direction of GRAMPS. What types of planning tools do you really need? I'm assuming that a task list is the bare minimum, but what is it that you really need, and what should it look like? I don't want to influence the discussion here, I want to learn from it. Please tell me what you need. Don |
From: Ant <50...@t8...> - 2005-03-07 21:48:02
|
Hello Don, The only "research planning tool" I use is a task list, in various guises, which for me I think is more flexibly kept as a separate text document. Regards Ant * Support UKIP - Don't let the EU rule Britannia! * On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Don Allingham wrote: > After having a few discussions with people, it has been pointed out to > me that GRAMPS is lacking in research planning tools. This is probably > something that we should look into correcting. > > So, here is your chance to influence the direction of GRAMPS. What types > of planning tools do you really need? I'm assuming that a task list is > the bare minimum, but what is it that you really need, and what should > it look like? > > I don't want to influence the discussion here, I want to learn from it. > > Please tell me what you need. > > Don > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Martin H. <Mar...@gm...> - 2005-03-08 10:25:50
|
Hi! > After having a few discussions with people, it has been pointed out to > me that GRAMPS is lacking in research planning tools. This is probably > something that we should look into correcting. This is definitely an important tool to be implemented. I use gramps not only to get nice printouts, but to precisely enter all data I have. Gramps should be able to point me to missing and incomplete data and give hints for the next steps. > So, here is your chance to influence the direction of GRAMPS. What types > of planning tools do you really need? I'm assuming that a task list is > the bare minimum, but what is it that you really need, and what should > it look like? In my opinion large parts of this planing tool can be implemented using the Filter sytem, that only needs some enhancements. First there are some simple filter like "People without a Birth Name", "Birthday/Death missing", "Place of event missing" and so on. Another simple list is: "People without parents", which can be combined with the ancestral filter to get the list of missing ancestors. Another source of information are the sources itself. Often a document contains references to other documents, which can be added as "Missing Sources". Therefore the source could have a status field that can contain something like "Original available", "Copy available", "Ordered", "Missing", which then should be matchable by a filter "People having missing sources". This could be combined using a filter that lists people without references to a source. Another filter could list all people that have for example a Very Low Confidence in the SourceRef given. Places are also a good starting point because often the place of an event is bogous when given incomplete in sources. Example: a birth certificate lists the birth place "Neustadt", but there is no zipcode. In germany there are more than 20 town having this name. Solution: For a place it should be possible to render the information that this place is bogous, which then could be matched by a filter "People having bogous event places". A new TODO view could then be implemented using a variable list of custom filters, which in the beginning lists the matching people, and in a later release also lists places and sources that match a filter criteria. Cheers, Martin. -- SMS bei wichtigen e-mails und Ihre Gedanken sind frei ... Alle Infos zur SMS-Benachrichtigung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/sms |
From: Michelle E. <eng...@gm...> - 2005-03-10 18:12:25
|
Hi! If there were a research planning tool, I would like to have a task list, where for every task I have the possibility to choose/enter - the person (choose from list of all persons in database) - the source (choose from list of sources or enter free, like "ask aunt Maria") - text field where I can enter comments and explanations - a flag where I can mark "search successful" or "search unsuccessfull". I think it is very important to know where I didn't find something... - perhaps, I'm not sure if it is useful and feasible: a drop down menu to choose the subject of the task (Birthday, Place of Birth, Date of Marriage, Missing parents, ...) or a free field. Output: - all tasks for a person or a selection of persons - all tasks for one source or a selection of sources - all open/successful/unsuccessful tasks - all tasks with the subject(s) xy - combinations of above - of course export to pdf,... and print - Output of report xy for persons in the selected tasks (to take with me for the research) One possibility is to create every task on your own. When editing a person and realising you have two different birth dates, you would have to push the button "create research task" and fill out the "research task form". Another possibility would be to create a list with all persons without parents/ with uncomplete parents, without date of whatever, ... Or to combine them. But I would prefer the first possibility. Does this help you? Do you mean the same by "Research Planning Tool" as I do? Michelle Don Allingham wrote: > After having a few discussions with people, it has been pointed out to > me that GRAMPS is lacking in research planning tools. This is probably > something that we should look into correcting. > > So, here is your chance to influence the direction of GRAMPS. What types > of planning tools do you really need? I'm assuming that a task list is > the bare minimum, but what is it that you really need, and what should > it look like? > > I don't want to influence the discussion here, I want to learn from it. > > Please tell me what you need. > > Don > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Jacob A. <ja...@ca...> - 2005-03-11 03:48:05
|
Don Allingham wrote: > So, here is your chance to influence the direction of GRAMPS. What types > of planning tools do you really need? I'm assuming that a task list is > the bare minimum, but what is it that you really need, and what should > it look like? > I think there are many research strategies out there, and perhaps this one isn't the best. I'll share a modified version of one I was taught in a class. It seems simple and sensible enough. Perhaps it would be useful to have some suggested task lists and forms to fill out (kinda app-wizardish). I've been doing this on paper and even if it were in the software, I would like to be able to print out the lists as reports. The overview per-individual task list is: *Gather* Fill out *"Individual History Yearly Outline"* Document or verify each event of the outline using documents on hand. *Input Data* Input the information into your genealogy software. (Ideally GRAMPS would have taken care of this as you input the data.) Place documents, hard copy data, photo's history, etc into the Storage System that you have developed. *Do Research* Using a *"Research Log"* start to decide what is missing and what needs to be added to your records. (Use *"Check List"*) Do the research to gather missing information from the previous steps and update your hard and soft copies. I am imagining the items that are 'bold' and quoted (eg *"this"*) would be links to actual forms or to help about those forms, so the additional required forms beyond this generic per-individual task list include: *Individual History Yearly Outline* This report has a little bit of quick-reference header information and then is basically a table for you to list all the events you have for that person chronologically. [photo] Name: ___ Relationship: ___ Parent's Information:___ Born;__ | Year | Age (auto calculate) | Event | Location | Source | Type | Storage Location (Filed in what box?) | *Research Log* The class actually had two logs, a Research Log and an Online Research Log. I think these should be combined together into something better than I have, but I'm not feeling creative enough to do that. I've been looking for a good research logging program or template for a while. One to type in notes of when you looked, where you looked, what you found and what you might want to look for in the future. *Check List* There were a couple different checklists as well. One I especially liked was an Individual Record Verification checklist. The list has three states for each item to check. They are Have, Exists and Searching. It could be expanded by putting the notes here, or a reference to the source in GRAMPS fashion. Parental Records Birth Certificate Church Records School Records Special Certificates Driver's License Marriage Records Children's Records Divorce Records Military Records Naturalization Data Emigration Records Ship Passenger List Land Legal Records Colonial Census Records 1780 Census Records ... 1900 Census Records Death Certificate Obituary Cemetery Records Will/Probate Family Histories Government Histories Newspapers Other *Research Planner* This was a 'take it with you to the library' task specific document. At the top of the paper you list your research goals, have a to-do list of tasks to accomplish the goals and a list of supporting documentations you already have. As you do your research you note what you are looking for, when you looked, where you looked, comments on what you found and noted if you verified what you were looking for and checked it off when done. I hope if anything these ideas spur other ideas for good research planning tools. -- Jacob |
From: Sharon K. <sha...@ti...> - 2005-03-11 11:17:01
|
On Friday 11 Mar 2005 03:42, Jacob Anawalt wrote: <snip> > > *Check List* > > There were a couple different checklists as well. One I especially liked > was an Individual Record Verification checklist. The list has three > states for each item to check. They are Have, Exists and Searching. It > could be expanded by putting the notes here, or a reference to the > source in GRAMPS fashion. > > Parental Records > Birth Certificate > Church Records > School Records > Special Certificates > Driver's License > Marriage Records > Children's Records > Divorce Records > Military Records > Naturalization Data > Emigration Records > Ship Passenger List > Land Legal Records > Colonial Census Records > 1780 Census Records Can I suggest that you please =don't= hard-code the date in for the census year, because gramps is in use worldwide, and here in the UK our census's are every ten years with the next being in 2011. Hard-coding the census year might be useful in one country that uses that census-cycle, but would tend to put people off using the program in other countries. > ... > 1900 Census Records > Death Certificate > Obituary > Cemetery Records > Will/Probate > Family Histories > Government > Histories > Newspapers > Other > > *Research Planner* > > This was a 'take it with you to the library' task specific document. At > the top of the paper you list your research goals, have a to-do list of > tasks to accomplish the goals and a list of supporting documentations > you already have. As you do your research you note what you are looking > for, when you looked, where you looked, comments on what you found and > noted if you verified what you were looking for and checked it off when > done. > This sounds like an extremely good idea :) Sharon. -- 11:08:35 up 14:03, 1 user, load average: 1.41, 1.49, 1.46 A taste of linux http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/efever/index.html efever http://www.efever.blogspot.com/ Fedora Core 3, KDE 3.3.2-1.6.3, OpenOffice 1.1.4 Registered Linux user 334501 Now accepting personal mail for gmail invites |
From: Jacob A. <ja...@ca...> - 2005-03-11 20:53:50
|
Sharon Kimble wrote: > On Friday 11 Mar 2005 03:42, Jacob Anawalt wrote: > <snip> > >>*Check List* <snip> >>1780 Census Records > > Can I suggest that you please =don't= hard-code the date in for the census > year, because gramps is in use worldwide, and here in the UK our census's are > every ten years with the next being in 2011. Hard-coding the census year > might be useful in one country that uses that census-cycle, but would tend to > put people off using the program in other countries. > >>... >>1900 Census Records I was thinking of mentioning internationalization issues as I typed the census block but didn't add it before I hit send. Good catch. Thank-you. -- Jacob |