From: Davamundo <dav...@ne...> - 2003-09-30 01:16:08
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Aw MAN ! gramps is still making me CRAZY ! I tried it last year, from a mandrake system, looked good ! I puy some work into it, and then could NEVER open the file again. I thought it was me, some blunder, maybe a bug in that version. I gave up ! yesterday I saw a new version listed at Freshmeat. using debians apt-get, I installed it; no problem. put a bit of work into it, saved the file and SPLAT ! can't open it. file not found (I'm staring at it, I can read the xml text, yup, that's my data) WHAT GIVES ? I'ver never seen ANYTHING SO FRUSTRATING ! whew, D. Patrick |
From: Alex R. <sh...@al...> - 2003-09-30 02:50:49
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On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:12:35PM -0400, Davamundo wrote: [snip] > put a bit of work into it, saved the file and SPLAT ! > can't open it. > file not found (I'm staring at it, I can read the xml text, yup, that's= =20 > my data) [snip] Hi, If you can see your xml file by other means than gramps and gramps is=20 saying that "file not found" then there's something funny with your=20 filesystem, directory structure, or permissions. However, I can guess by the bits I gather from the noises you're=20 making that you are trying to open data.gramps, the file. What you=20 should be doing is (1) create a directory and place your data.gramps=20 there, (2) in the File->Open dialog select that DIRECTORY (not the file,=20 I repeat, DIRECTORY, if that's not clear then try thinking FOLDER). I might be wrong with this assumption and you might in fact be saving=20 your data in ~/dir1 and callling it dir2, in which case you should be=20 opening ~/dir1/dir2, not ~/dir1. Unfortunately, you don't seem to care=20 to elaborate enough to say what is actually wrong.=20 > I'ver never seen ANYTHING SO FRUSTRATING ! Thank you for a useful bug report. I'm sure the bug (if indeed this=20 is a bug and not the RTFM problem on the user side) will fix itself,=20 being deeply ashamed of its existense.=20 Should you change your mind and decide to provide more information I am=20 sure the problem could be quickly resolved. Personally, I'm also=20 convinced that none of your data is lost, but is it really my business? Alex --=20 Alexander Roitman http://ebner.neuroscience.umn.edu/people/alex.html Dept. of Neuroscience, Lions Research Building 2001 6th Street SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 Tel (612) 625-7566 FAX (612) 626-9201 |
From: David J P. <dav...@sy...> - 2003-09-30 04:30:43
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Alex Roitman wrote: >On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:12:35PM -0400, Davamundo wrote: >[snip] > > >>put a bit of work into it, saved the file and SPLAT ! >>can't open it. >>file not found (I'm staring at it, I can read the xml text, yup, that's >>my data) >> >> >[snip] > >Hi, > >If you can see your xml file by other means than gramps and gramps is >saying that "file not found" then there's something funny with your >filesystem, directory structure, or permissions. > >However, I can guess by the bits I gather from the noises you're >making that you are trying to open data.gramps, the file. What you >should be doing is (1) create a directory and place your data.gramps >there, (2) in the File->Open dialog select that DIRECTORY (not the file, >I repeat, DIRECTORY, if that's not clear then try thinking FOLDER). > Yeah, OK, select the directory, I got it.. thanks (looks around, shuffles off muttering ...) >Thank you for a useful bug report. I'm sure the bug (if indeed this >is a bug and not the RTFM problem on the user side) will fix itself, >being deeply ashamed of its existense. > I did, in fact spend some time (today AND a year ago) rooting around the FM, and the docs on the website, hoping for an explaination. I found nothing. Saving and opening data directories, instead of files, may work fine, but it is not common app behavior. "open a database" and "choose a data directory" are two different things. I can't beleive I'm the first boob to stumble on this counter-intuitive dialog, perhaps a clue might be left for other such fools who think their data lives in a file ? .. other than that It's a fine lookin' app. Too bad I didn't figure this out a year ago, I might have input a lot more folks. thanks, dp |
From: Alex R. <sh...@al...> - 2003-09-30 04:41:36
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On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:25:22PM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: > Alex Roitman wrote: > > ... > >However, I can guess by the bits I gather from the noises you're=20 > >making that you are trying to open data.gramps, the file. What you=20 > >should be doing is (1) create a directory and place your data.gramps=20 > >there, (2) in the File->Open dialog select that DIRECTORY (not the file,= =20 > >I repeat, DIRECTORY, if that's not clear then try thinking FOLDER). > > > Yeah, OK, select the directory, I got it.. > thanks > (looks around, shuffles off muttering ...) Well, I'm glad it wasn't THAT FRUSTRATING after all. > >Thank you for a useful bug report. I'm sure the bug (if indeed this=20 > >is a bug and not the RTFM problem on the user side) will fix itself,=20 > >being deeply ashamed of its existense.=20 > > > I did, in fact spend some time (today AND a year ago) rooting around the= =20 > FM, and the docs on the website, > hoping for an explaination. I found nothing. Now, I guess you're facing the wrong guy to complain to here. I happen=20 to have written the FM. Section 4.2 (Usage->Opening a Database) has=20 three paragraphs. The third paragraph reads: NOTE: you should open a DIRECTORY and NOT a FILE when opening GRAMPS=20 database. The directory you need to open should contain the database=20 file (data.gramps or data.zodb) as well as any possible copies of media= =20 objects. Such a directory is created by GRAMPS when you start a new=20 database and is updated each time the database is saved.=20 BTW, note the use of your favorite CAPS which are supposed to catch the=20 eye -- maybe their repetitive use negatively affects the responsiveness? > Saving and opening data =20 > directories, instead of files, may work fine, but it is not common app=20 > behavior. "open a database" and "choose a data directory" are two=20 > different things. Agreed. That's why every effort was made to make this obvious. I also=20 believe that the error message (when the file could not be opened)=20 mentions the necessity to open a directory.=20 > I can't beleive I'm the first boob to stumble on this counter-intuitive= =20 > dialog, perhaps a clue might be left for other such fools who think=20 > their data lives in a file ? You're certainly the first one to make such an aggressive stand of it. =20 > .. other than that It's a fine lookin' app. > Too bad I didn't figure this out a year ago, > I might have input a lot more folks. Most of thanks go to Don Allingham, who was too polite to respond=20 appropriately. Alex --=20 Alexander Roitman http://ebner.neuroscience.umn.edu/people/alex.html Dept. of Neuroscience, Lions Research Building 2001 6th Street SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 Tel (612) 625-7566 FAX (612) 626-9201 |
From: Don A. <dal...@us...> - 2003-09-30 03:58:09
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Sorry that you are having such a difficult time. If you could provide more information, it would help. Can you give the steps that you took when you attempted to open the file? For example, did you hit the "Browse..." button on the Open dialog? If so, what did you select? Did you select the directory that contained the data.gramps file? Sometimes the GNOME dialog can be a bit tricky when attempting to select the directory. To successfully open the database, you need to select the directory. It should appear in the left-hand side of the file selection dialog. You should also see the data.gramps file in the right-hand side (it will be grayed out, however, and you will not be able to select it). For future reference, Eric Raymond (one of the primary open source leaders) has written a good document on how to report issues and ask questions. You can find it at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Don On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 17:12, Davamundo wrote: > Aw MAN ! gramps is still making me CRAZY ! > I tried it last year, from a mandrake system, looked good ! I puy=20 > some work into it, > and then could NEVER open the file again. I thought it was me, some=20 > blunder, maybe a bug in that version. > I gave up ! >=20 > yesterday I saw a new version listed at Freshmeat. > using debians apt-get, I installed it; no problem. > put a bit of work into it, saved the file and SPLAT ! > can't open it. > file not found (I'm staring at it, I can read the xml text, yup, that's=20 > my data) >=20 > WHAT GIVES ? > I'ver never seen ANYTHING SO FRUSTRATING ! >=20 > whew, > D. Patrick --=20 Don Allingham <dal...@us...> GRAMPS OpenSource Genealogy |