From: Brian M. <br...@gr...> - 2007-10-30 16:38:36
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The entire problem is that the mime type is metadata, not data. When people= are interested in information, they care about data, not metadata. But whe= n people are interested in using information, then suddenly they care about= metadata.=0A=0APerhaps there is a way to include this metadata without off= ending people who are only interested in the data.=0A=0ACould we possibly p= ut the mime type under the picture/icon in really small gray letters? Or pu= t it somewhere else on the page?=0AAnyone have any other ideas? =0A=0AAddin= g a user option is NOT a good idea. You'll just get complaints later that t= he options frame is cluttered. Please don't do it. Let's find the creative = solution, not the obvious one.=0A=0A~Brian=0A=0A----- Original Message ----= =0AFrom: Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...>=0ATo: St=E9phane Chare= tte <ste...@gm...>=0ACc: Gra...@li...= =0ASent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:19:35 AM=0ASubject: Re: [Gramps-users= ] Web page clutter=0A=0A=0AStephane, feel free to make this an option (if i= t doesn't clutter the interface) or a config key (only for people in the kn= ow however). =0A=0AI don't disagree to removing it, but personally I find i= t usefull, so it should not be removed by default.=0A=0A=0ABenny=0A=0A2007/= 10/30, St=E9phane Charette <ste...@gm...>:=0AOn 10/30/07, All= an Topp <at...@nc...> wrote:=0A> Sorry! I should have realized and checke= d first.=0A>=0A> That said, I think it is of zero, in fact negative, value = and will=0A=0A> manually edit each page to remove it.=0A=0AI can provide a = fix for this, Allan. You shouldn't have to manually=0Aedit all of the page= s to remove it. I'll let you know what needs to=0Abe done.=0A=0A=0AStephan= e=0A=0A--------------------------------------------------------------------= -----=0AThis SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc.=0AStill grepping thr= ough log files to find problems? Stop.=0ANow Search log events and configu= ration files using AJAX and a browser.=0A=0ADownload your FREE copy of Splu= nk now >> http://get.splunk.com/=0A________________________________________= _______=0AGramps-users mailing list=0A=0AG...@li...= =0Ahttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A |
From: Brian M. <br...@gr...> - 2007-10-30 19:22:57
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Stehpane,=0A=0AI'm moving this discussion to the devel list.=0A=0A~Brian=0A= =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: St=E9phane Charette <stephanecharett= e...@gm...>=0ATo: Brian Matherly <br...@gr...>=0ACc: Gramps-u= se...@li...=0ASent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:17:58 PM=0A= Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Web page clutter=0A=0A=0AThere are several othe= r enhancements I would like to make to the media=0Apage, that would result = in a "media" tab. (In 3.0.0.) What is wrong=0Ain adding an option? I und= erstand we don't want options for=0Aabsolutely everything under the sun, bu= t at the same time, we often=0Ahave people wanting things to remain exactly= the same, and other=0Apeople asking that we change stuff.=0A=0AThe narrati= veweb pages are a good example of this. The pages are not=0Acreated for me= , for Brian, for Don, etc..., but are created primarily=0Afor the person wh= o generates them. Yes, that person is hoping family=0Amembers will use the= web site, but we should allow the generated web=0Apages to conform to the = preferences of the user that owns the site.=0A=0APersonally, I also like ha= ving the MIME type. (I just recently=0Anoticed it had been changed to "fil= e type" when I upgraded to 2.2.9.)=0ABut we already have 2 users asking tha= t it be removed: this is=0Alow-hanging fruit which will make those users a= nd potentially other=0Ausers very happy!=0A=0AThe good news is, those of yo= u (like myself) who want to maintain the=0AMIME-type information will still= have it. Those who dislike it can=0Aeasily remove it without having to ma= nually edit all of their .html=0Apages.=0A=0ASt=E9phane=0A=0A=0A=0A |
From: <ste...@gm...> - 2007-10-30 17:18:02
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There are several other enhancements I would like to make to the media page, that would result in a "media" tab. (In 3.0.0.) What is wrong in adding an option? I understand we don't want options for absolutely everything under the sun, but at the same time, we often have people wanting things to remain exactly the same, and other people asking that we change stuff. The narrativeweb pages are a good example of this. The pages are not created for me, for Brian, for Don, etc..., but are created primarily for the person who generates them. Yes, that person is hoping family members will use the web site, but we should allow the generated web pages to conform to the preferences of the user that owns the site. Personally, I also like having the MIME type. (I just recently noticed it had been changed to "file type" when I upgraded to 2.2.9.) But we already have 2 users asking that it be removed: this is low-hanging fruit which will make those users and potentially other users very happy! The good news is, those of you (like myself) who want to maintain the MIME-type information will still have it. Those who dislike it can easily remove it without having to manually edit all of their .html pages. St=E9phane |
From: Allan T. <at...@nc...> - 2007-10-31 11:13:38
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Since albeit inadvertently I started this, I kind of feel obliged to have one more kick at it. In my view the narrative that presently shows up (I'm using 2.2.8) is big, ugly and not user friendly. I believe few would know/care what MIME is. I imagine most of the file types involved are images and, thanks to the thumbnail, it's pretty obvious when it's an image without the narrative. I can't see that it would matter much whether it was jpeg, .gif or something else. Either the browser will handle it or it won't. I also believe that if someone wants to access the linked page/file they will want to do so regardless of what type it is. They may regret subsequently regret it and/or abort the process. But so be it. My far and away preference is that the narrative disappear. Whether by default or, if need be, by making a preference. However, if that is not going to happen, making it smaller (much smaller), perhaps making it a "title" to the thumbnail/icon, and making it more meaningful (like ".jpg file" rather than "MIME type image/jpeg") would be much more palatable to me. I can but wish that I had some programming skills that would permit me to help in solving this rather than sitting on the sidelines grumbling. Allan Brian Matherly wrote: > The entire problem is that the mime type is metadata, not data. When people are interested in information, they care about data, not metadata. But when people are interested in using information, then suddenly they care about metadata. > > Perhaps there is a way to include this metadata without offending people who are only interested in the data. > > Could we possibly put the mime type under the picture/icon in really small gray letters? Or put it somewhere else on the page? > Anyone have any other ideas? > > Adding a user option is NOT a good idea. You'll just get complaints later that the options frame is cluttered. Please don't do it. Let's find the creative solution, not the obvious one. > > ~Brian > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...> > To: Stéphane Charette <ste...@gm...> > Cc: Gra...@li... > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:19:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Web page clutter > > > Stephane, feel free to make this an option (if it doesn't clutter the interface) or a config key (only for people in the know however). > > I don't disagree to removing it, but personally I find it usefull, so it should not be removed by default. > > > Benny > > 2007/10/30, Stéphane Charette <ste...@gm...>: > On 10/30/07, Allan Topp <at...@nc...> wrote: > >> Sorry! I should have realized and checked first. >> >> That said, I think it is of zero, in fact negative, value and will >> > > >> manually edit each page to remove it. >> > > I can provide a fix for this, Allan. You shouldn't have to manually > edit all of the pages to remove it. I'll let you know what needs to > be done. > > > Stephane > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |