From: Brian M. <br...@gr...> - 2007-06-26 12:06:29
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>I would like to have the generated website include half-siblings on >the person-specific pages. I have no siblings, but have 4 >half-siblings that I am close to... it is weird and arguably incorrect >to have me listed as an only child. > >Is there a simple way of adding this information to the generated website? We could probably hack up the website report to handle this situation for you. But that won't help you with other reports. And it doesn't really represent the true relationships in your family. >If not, could somebody point me vaguely in the right direction for >figuring this out? Here's my advice: If you are close to your half-siblings, that probably means you lived with them for some time in your life. At first you lived with your bilolgical mother and biological father, but later you lived with your biological mother and step father. My advice is to add yourself to both families in Gramps. In one family, you have a "Birth" relationship to both parents. In the other family, you have a "birth" relationship with your mother, but a "step-child" or "adopted" relationship with your step-father. Then, your name will show up along side your half siblings in all the reports (the way it should be in my opinion). Let us know how it works out. ~Brian |
From: Brian M. <br...@gr...> - 2007-06-26 13:49:58
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>> Here's my advice: >> If you are close to your half-siblings, that probably means you >>lived with them for some time in your life. At first you lived with >>your bilolgical mother and biological father, but later you lived >>with your biological mother and step father. My advice is to add >>yourself to both families in Gramps. In one family, you have a >>"Birth" relationship to both parents. In the other family, you have >>a "birth" relationship with your mother, but a "step-child" or >>"adopted" relationship with your step-father. Then, your name >>will show up along side your half siblings in all the reports (the >>way it should be in my opinion). >This does make a fair bit of sense. (Thanks for everybody else's >contributions too!!) And, of course, works great. > >I guess I find it slightly less elegant, but I suspect this method is >more powerful in the end. It is less elegant if you want to use Gramps strictly to record biological relationships.If you think of families and relationships from a more pragmatic approach, than you have to include more than just biological or genetic factors. Consider a person who is adopted, but knows who her birth parents are. This strategy would fit her perfectly and be accurate for genealogical purposes. ~Brian |
From: Danuvius <dan...@gm...> - 2007-06-26 12:16:58
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Dear Brian, This does make a fair bit of sense. (Thanks for everybody else's contributions too!!) And, of course, works great. I guess I find it slightly less elegant, but I suspect this method is more powerful in the end. Thanks! On 26/06/07, Brian Matherly <br...@gr...> wrote: > >I would like to have the generated website include half-siblings on > >the person-specific pages. I have no siblings, but have 4 > >half-siblings that I am close to... it is weird and arguably incorrect > >to have me listed as an only child. > > > >Is there a simple way of adding this information to the generated website? > > We could probably hack up the website report to handle this situation for you. But that won't help you with other reports. And it doesn't really represent the true relationships in your family. > > >If not, could somebody point me vaguely in the right direction for > >figuring this out? > > Here's my advice: > If you are close to your half-siblings, that probably means you lived with them for some time in your life. At first you lived with your bilolgical mother and biological father, but later you lived with your biological mother and step father. My advice is to add yourself to both families in Gramps. In one family, you have a "Birth" relationship to both parents. In the other family, you have a "birth" relationship with your mother, but a "step-child" or "adopted" relationship with your step-father. Then, your name will show up along side your half siblings in all the reports (the way it should be in my opinion). > > Let us know how it works out. > > ~Brian > > > > |
From: <bm...@ca...> - 2007-06-26 16:04:00
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It is the way it is supposed to be done. And gives you full control. Typically, this is only a concern to you. Note that the following is very comon: man marries women, 2 children, women dies, remarries, and has again 2 children. You typically want to see the 2 children of the first marriage in the second family, but you don't want the last 2 children to appear in the first family, as this family didn't exist anymore when the last 2 children where born. Just showing all half siblings in every family could hence be confusing. Note also that non-birth relations are shown in most graphs with a dashed line instead of a full line. Benny Quoting Danuvius <dan...@gm...>: > Dear Brian, > > This does make a fair bit of sense. (Thanks for everybody else's > contributions too!!) And, of course, works great. > > I guess I find it slightly less elegant, but I suspect this method is > more powerful in the end. > > Thanks! > > > On 26/06/07, Brian Matherly <br...@gr...> wrote: >> >I would like to have the generated website include half-siblings on >> >the person-specific pages. I have no siblings, but have 4 >> >half-siblings that I am close to... it is weird and arguably incorrect >> >to have me listed as an only child. >> > >> >Is there a simple way of adding this information to the generated website? >> >> We could probably hack up the website report to handle this >> situation for you. But that won't help you with other reports. And >> it doesn't really represent the true relationships in your family. >> >> >If not, could somebody point me vaguely in the right direction for >> >figuring this out? >> >> Here's my advice: >> If you are close to your half-siblings, that probably means you >> lived with them for some time in your life. At first you lived with >> your bilolgical mother and biological father, but later you lived >> with your biological mother and step father. My advice is to add >> yourself to both families in Gramps. In one family, you have a >> "Birth" relationship to both parents. In the other family, you have >> a "birth" relationship with your mother, but a "step-child" or >> "adopted" relationship with your step-father. Then, your name will >> show up along side your half siblings in all the reports (the way it >> should be in my opinion). >> >> Let us know how it works out. >> >> ~Brian >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. > http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. |
From: Dave P. <dav...@gm...> - 2007-06-26 13:12:28
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One option to let people configure how they want to show relationships, and what relationships to show might be to use the XML output of GRAMPS then XSLT with a number of user configurable parameters? Then generate the HTML from that via XSLT. That's how docbook is configured for about 100 parameters. Just a thought. Allows a 'general' html output, with default everything. Also a user specific output modifiable by users. HTH -- Dave Pawson XSLT XSL-FO FAQ. http://www.dpawson.co.uk |
From: Dave P. <dav...@gm...> - 2007-06-27 16:49:14
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From: <rom...@ya...> - 2007-06-27 17:26:26
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Dave, > That's a user issue. > This is simply to make use of the current XML format to produce > HTML in a manner selected by the user. I thought you wanted to use GRAMPS XML with an interface, user-options will be hidden, and customized XSLT will produces output, no ? I understood, but seems not so easy !!! Currently, we may use most parsers with command-line for that ;) But you want to see a user-interface with options, that's it ? GRAMPS already uses HTML, SVG generators with his own /docgen and seems developpers don't use XSLT. What improvements versus actual way ? Which parser should be used ? Need new libraries ? Work on plateforms already supported ? Need to be written ... |
From: Dave P. <dav...@gm...> - 2007-06-27 18:43:54
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From: <rom...@ya...> - 2007-06-27 20:02:03
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> I never mentioned any user interface. > This is not a big task, please don't make it one OK, it is not a feature request for GRAMPS, just something for displaying data. To share a XSLT with all possibles variables related to GRAMPS XML, planned to be used with command-line. I think most users will not make a custom XSLT. They will better try to use css with XML !!! This should still be active for displaying XML data on navigator ... Dave Pawson a écrit : > On 27/06/07, Jérôme <rom...@ya...> wrote: > >> >> I thought you wanted to use GRAMPS XML with an interface, user-options >> will be hidden, and customized XSLT will produces output, no ? > > I never mentioned any user interface. > >> >> I understood, but seems not so easy !!! >> >> Currently, we may use most parsers with command-line for that ;) >> But you want to see a user-interface with options, that's it ? > Not necessary. The xml is available as an output format. > Unzip it and process it using open source XSLT engine? > Surely that is easy enough. > > >> >> GRAMPS already uses HTML, SVG generators with his own /docgen and seems >> developpers don't use XSLT. >> What improvements versus actual way ? > > Users can get the html output format they want. > They can customize it to add or remove content. > They can present it as needed. > >> Which parser should be used ? > > For what? Most xslt engines use an xml parser. Xerces is my choice with > Saxon or Xalan my choice of xslt engine > >> Need new libraries ? Work on plateforms already supported ? >> Need to be written ... > > This is not a big task, please don't make it one. > > regards |
From: Dave P. <dav...@gm...> - 2007-06-28 07:06:24
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From: <rom...@ya...> - 2007-06-28 11:50:48
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Dave, > I'm sure you know what all the GRAMPS users want :-) Do you want some XSLT working with GRAMPS XML ? Do you want to display Media Objects ? Multiples pages ? lists ? xref ? Have you enought memory, swap ? Scripts make what I wanted/planned but I need to warn you ... (no comments, dirty code) Also, I skip GRAMPS dtd validation :( Not hight-level, -no licence need, for me just W3C spec- less variables, sometimes one test, that's all !!! Far away to use all XSL possibilities and not updated (version 1.0 - 1999). I made them for working with GRAMPS 1.0 ... > shows what can be done with docbook. Now, I am very happy with GRAMPS. XSL scripts are just for fun (like tellico import/export). I have simple pleasures, if you think that other users also will have fun ... Dave Pawson a écrit : > On 27/06/07, Jérôme <rom...@ya...> wrote: >> I think most users will not make a custom XSLT. >> They will better try to use css with XML !!! > > > I'm sure you know what all the GRAMPS users want :-) > CSS vs XSLT? No. > XSLT is Turing Complete. > > http://sagehill.net/docbookxsl/Parameters.html > shows what can be done with docbook. > > Ah well. |
From: Dave P. <dav...@gm...> - 2007-06-28 12:33:59
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From: <rom...@ya...> - 2007-06-28 13:08:13
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> All you've done is put down the idea no idea put down ... W3C recommendations ;) True, that I inevitably didn't use tools according to standards ... Example: using HTML instead of textual for easily displaying transformed data on Web navigator, then to copy the screen !!! I stopped with GRAMPS 2.0.x. Scripts were fast but did not bring anything extraordinary to me. It was scripts ;) > I responded to a user request. >> I would like to have the generated website include half-siblings on >> the person-specific pages. I am not certain that XSL is planned to make tmp lists and lots of requests. > I'll try a few presentation ideas when I have time. > HTML, plain text, PDF, ps. Yes, presentation ideas would be useful to see all possibilities :) |
From: <bm...@ca...> - 2007-06-28 18:23:21
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Quoting Dave Pawson <dav...@gm...>: > I responded to a user request. > > All you've done is put down the idea. > I'll try a few presentation ideas when I have time. > HTML, plain text, PDF, ps. > > regards Dave, Jerome means well, but his english can incur the wrong meaning. I'm sure he would be thrilled to see some presentation ideas following from the gramps XML. The developers would be interested too I'm sure, but we don't really have XSLT experience so we don't know what is exactly possible with this tool (speaking for myself at least). Best regards, Benny ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. |
From: <rom...@ya...> - 2007-06-29 09:32:48
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> Jerome means well, but his english can incur the wrong meaning. It is possible ... I am not building sentences in the same way in my mother language, there is much subtlety which do not exist any more after the translation. My English (England) is very basic and I do not have any more occasion to practise it except sometimes on Internet, sorry. :-[ > We used to have a couple of reports in XSLT, but I can't seem to find them right now When I discovered GRAMPS, I had to send the same type of email as you !!! Alex had put to me in liaison with Tim Waught. But its address had to change... There was already XSL for GRAMPS 1.0.x (birthday.xsl or something like that) I made my own files, just maintained them to branch 2.0.x, sometimes spring it when I want to isolate data or to have fun ... > The developers would be interested too I'm sure and some users too ;) bm...@ca... a écrit : > Quoting Dave Pawson <dav...@gm...>: > >> I responded to a user request. >> >> All you've done is put down the idea. >> I'll try a few presentation ideas when I have time. >> HTML, plain text, PDF, ps. >> >> regards > > Dave, > > Jerome means well, but his english can incur the wrong meaning. I'm sure he > would be thrilled to see some presentation ideas following from the > gramps XML. > > The developers would be interested too I'm sure, but we don't really have XSLT > experience so we don't know what is exactly possible with this tool (speaking > for myself at least). > > Best regards, > Benny |
From: Alex R. <sh...@gr...> - 2007-06-28 16:55:16
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Dave, We used to have a couple of reports in XSLT, but I can't seem to find them right now. They were for a very old XML versions anyway. I'm not well versed in XSLT, but if you would like to contribute any useful reports based on it, please feel free to use our wiki to store them and explain what they do. We have a page for contributed plugins that are not shipped with gramps yet: http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DUnsupported_Plugins If you want to, start a new page for XSLT. Or if you have something working and need to make it into gramps plugin, let us know. Alex --=20 Alexander Roitman http://gramps-project.org |
From: <joe...@gm...> - 2007-06-28 18:53:51
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Hi all, I just checked what version of gramps i am using, and what is the last one, and i saw that my adept on ubuntu upgrade my gramps on 2.2.6-1 but the last one seems to be the 2.2.8 Why the last versions are not available on the ubuntu repository? Thanks. |
From: Duncan L. <dli...@gm...> - 2007-06-28 20:32:51
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On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 20:53 +0200, joe...@gm... wrote: > Hi all, > > I just checked what version of gramps i am using, and what is the last > one, and i saw that my adept on ubuntu upgrade my gramps on 2.2.6-1 but > the last one seems to be the 2.2.8 > Why the last versions are not available on the ubuntu repository? Because Ubuntu is a Debian based distribution and they don't add new versions to the repository unless there's a serious security issue. That's one reason why Ubuntu/Debian is considered more stable than some Linux distributions. But go to the website and grab the 2.2.8 ubuntu .deb file. It works fine in Ubuntu. The newer version is already in the next (unstable) version of Ubuntu (7.10) but there's a bug stopping it from running. HTH, Duncan |
From: Alex R. <sh...@gr...> - 2007-06-28 21:30:31
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On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 20:53 +0200, joe...@gm... wrote: > I just checked what version of gramps i am using, and what is the last=20 > one, and i saw that my adept on ubuntu upgrade my gramps on 2.2.6-1 but=20 > the last one seems to be the 2.2.8 > Why the last versions are not available on the ubuntu repository? Yes, why? In the meantime, you can grab ubuntu packages from our release area on sourceforge.net. If you have dapper or feisty, use "dapper" packages. For recent ubuntu use "ubuntu" packages. Alex --=20 Alexander Roitman http://gramps-project.org |