From: Rob H. <rob...@gm...> - 2010-10-04 22:38:55
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Dear Benny: I just wanted to tell you how much I like the new name editor! I was wondering if in the suffix entry: 1) EnumeratedListOption instead of StringOption, and the options could be: a) Sr. b) Jr. c) III d) IV e) V I was also wondering if there should be two entry fields: one for first name and one for middle name instead of just one field for given? I love how it looks though! The fields and layout are awesome looking! Thank you for taking just a minute for reading my thoughts... Sincerely yours, Rob G. Healey |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2010-10-04 22:55:27
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2010/10/5 Rob Healey <rob...@gm...> > Dear Benny: > > I just wanted to tell you how much I like the new name editor! I was > wondering if in the suffix entry: > 1) EnumeratedListOption instead of StringOption, and the options could be: > a) Sr. > b) Jr. > c) III > d) IV > e) V > This is hard to do for internationalization. What are people putting into this field? For the few times you enter it, it is no burden to type it I believe. > > I was also wondering if there should be two entry fields: one for first > name and one for middle name instead of just one field for given? > Well, call name is the given name you use, so there is no need for splitting up given name and slowing down entry of people. I myself have 3 given names, many people here have. You will see that call name becomes red if it is not a part of the given name. > > I love how it looks though! The fields and layout are awesome looking! > Far from finished though. The idea is that when the button for multiple surnames is clicked, the present surname is hidden and a table becomes visible. I might move the GEPS to trunk though, so as not to have too much work merging code. Nick is already changing the same files, so merging will already be PITA. Benny > > Thank you for taking just a minute for reading my thoughts... > > Sincerely yours, > Rob G. Healey > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Virtualization is moving to the mainstream and overtaking non-virtualized > environment for deploying applications. Does it make network security > easier or more difficult to achieve? Read this whitepaper to separate the > two and get a better understanding. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/hp-phase2-d2d > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > > |
From: Tim L. <guy...@gm...> - 2010-10-05 14:03:46
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Benny Malengier wrote: > > Well, call name is the given name you use, so there is no need for > splitting > up given name and slowing down entry of people. I myself have 3 given > names, > many people here have. You will see that call name becomes red if it is > not > a part of the given name. > A given name is Robert, but the name I am called by (I presume this is what is meant by callname) is Rob. Does that mean that my callname would become red? If so, seems strange. [Put another way, what do you mean by "part of"?]. [I appreciate that Anthony/Andy and Dorothy/Dot are also problematic, just wondered what the validation is for?] -- View this message in context: http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/geps021-name-tp2955196p2956070.html Sent from the GRAMPS - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Doug B. <dou...@gm...> - 2010-10-05 14:15:22
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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Tim Lyons <guy...@gm...> wrote: > > > Benny Malengier wrote: >> >> Well, call name is the given name you use, so there is no need for >> splitting >> up given name and slowing down entry of people. I myself have 3 given >> names, >> many people here have. You will see that call name becomes red if it is >> not >> a part of the given name. >> > > A given name is Robert, but the name I am called by (I presume this is what > is meant by callname) is Rob. Does that mean that my callname would become > red? If so, seems strange. [Put another way, what do you mean by "part > of"?]. FYI, callname is the English translation of "rufname"... it isn't a nickname but a part of a name with a technical meaning: http://www.firstnamesgermany.com/vorname-and-rufname-about-german-given-names/ Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so as not to confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). I believe that the new revised name object has a place for nickname, but I haven't followed the development. -Doug > [I appreciate that Anthony/Andy and Dorothy/Dot are also problematic, just > wondered what the validation is for?] > -- > View this message in context: http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/geps021-name-tp2955196p2956070.html > Sent from the GRAMPS - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 & L3. > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > |
From: jerome <rom...@ya...> - 2010-10-05 15:38:55
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> Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so > as not to > confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). Was trying to find the french translation (maybe 'prénom usuel'), I find a comment about naming for Alsacian, Swiss, German or French (maybe Belgian) people: http://www.pantel-web.de/bw_mirror/text/t46.txt It seems I will also use this field. So, I need to find an improved seizure scheme for my names... Jérôme PS: does name extension will support something like 'farm name'? --- En date de : Mar 5.10.10, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> a écrit : > De: Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> > Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] geps021 name? > À: "Tim Lyons" <guy...@gm...> > Cc: gra...@li... > Date: Mardi 5 octobre 2010, 16h15 > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Tim > Lyons <guy...@gm...> > wrote: > > > > > > Benny Malengier wrote: > >> > >> Well, call name is the given name you use, so > there is no need for > >> splitting > >> up given name and slowing down entry of people. I > myself have 3 given > >> names, > >> many people here have. You will see that call name > becomes red if it is > >> not > >> a part of the given name. > >> > > > > A given name is Robert, but the name I am called by (I > presume this is what > > is meant by callname) is Rob. Does that mean that my > callname would become > > red? If so, seems strange. [Put another way, what do > you mean by "part > > of"?]. > > FYI, callname is the English translation of "rufname"... it > isn't a > nickname but a part of a name with a technical meaning: > > http://www.firstnamesgermany.com/vorname-and-rufname-about-german-given-names/ > > Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so > as not to > confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). > I believe > that the new revised name object has a place for nickname, > but I > haven't followed the development. > > -Doug > > > > [I appreciate that Anthony/Andy and Dorothy/Dot are > also problematic, just > > wondered what the validation is for?] > > -- > > View this message in context: http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/geps021-name-tp2955196p2956070.html > > Sent from the GRAMPS - Dev mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 > supports > > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and > DOM L2 & L3. > > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more > time creating great > > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb > > _______________________________________________ > > Gramps-devel mailing list > > Gra...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 > supports > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and > DOM L2 & L3. > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more > time creating great > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > |
From: Rob H. <rob...@gm...> - 2010-10-05 16:23:33
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Greetings: I also have Finnish names in my ancestry, and will need the "farm name" field too! What would be the best field to use for farm name as it becomes part of the person's name? Something like: Petter Anders Annason Wass E. Stenbacka Here is the reference information: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Finland there were no last names for most. Children were given a first name and maybe a middle, but the final name like, Annason, is really a description of who the child belonged to. Usually, The father's name was given, as in Peter's son, (Peterson), ...but sometimes the mother's name was used as in this case, Petter Annason becouse Peter was illegitimate. There was no father's name to be given. and Petter's mom's name is Anna hence Anna's son. Because of this naming system, they found there were too many with the same name so the only way to tell one from the other is to also add the name which farm or parish the came from. Petter Anders Annason came from the Wass Farm. The name Wass should no be excluded for this basically became a part of his identity. The "e. Stenbacka" means he was born on the Stenbacka farm. Sophia, before she came here was really Brita Sophia Andersdotter (Ander's Daughrter), with Back at the end because she was born on and from the Back Farm. Apparently, Petter Anders Annasson was born on Stenbacka, moved to Back when he married his wife from there, had Sophia there, Then moved to Wass Farm where Sophia's brother was born. Petter Anders Annason Wass e.(born in) Stenbacka (farm), He got food and a place to live for his family as compensation for work he did for the farmer. In other words was a lodger and dependant of the farmer. Later he was a soldier. He died as a "backstugusittare", (a side-cottage dweller, not owner). He was born out of wedlock. He was married twice and had children in both marriages. Our line came from the second marriage. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sincerely yours, Rob G. Healey On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, jerome <rom...@ya...> wrote: > > Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so > > as not to > > confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). > > Was trying to find the french translation (maybe 'prénom usuel'), I find a > comment about naming for Alsacian, Swiss, German or French (maybe Belgian) > people: > http://www.pantel-web.de/bw_mirror/text/t46.txt > It seems I will also use this field. So, I need to find an improved seizure > scheme for my names... > > > Jérôme > > PS: does name extension will support something like 'farm name'? > > > --- En date de : Mar 5.10.10, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> a écrit : > > > De: Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> > > Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] geps021 name? > > À: "Tim Lyons" <guy...@gm...> > > Cc: gra...@li... > > Date: Mardi 5 octobre 2010, 16h15 > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Tim > > Lyons <guy...@gm...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Benny Malengier wrote: > > >> > > >> Well, call name is the given name you use, so > > there is no need for > > >> splitting > > >> up given name and slowing down entry of people. I > > myself have 3 given > > >> names, > > >> many people here have. You will see that call name > > becomes red if it is > > >> not > > >> a part of the given name. > > >> > > > > > > A given name is Robert, but the name I am called by (I > > presume this is what > > > is meant by callname) is Rob. Does that mean that my > > callname would become > > > red? If so, seems strange. [Put another way, what do > > you mean by "part > > > of"?]. > > > > FYI, callname is the English translation of "rufname"... it > > isn't a > > nickname but a part of a name with a technical meaning: > > > > > http://www.firstnamesgermany.com/vorname-and-rufname-about-german-given-names/ > > > > Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so > > as not to > > confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). > > I believe > > that the new revised name object has a place for nickname, > > but I > > haven't followed the development. > > > > -Doug > > > > > > > [I appreciate that Anthony/Andy and Dorothy/Dot are > > also problematic, just > > > wondered what the validation is for?] > > > -- > > > View this message in context: > http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/geps021-name-tp2955196p2956070.html > > > Sent from the GRAMPS - Dev mailing list archive at > > Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 > > supports > > > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and > > DOM L2 & L3. > > > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more > > time creating great > > > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gramps-devel mailing list > > > Gra...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 > > supports > > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and > > DOM L2 & L3. > > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more > > time creating great > > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb > > _______________________________________________ > > Gramps-devel mailing list > > Gra...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 & L3. > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2010-10-05 18:54:40
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2010/10/5 Rob Healey <rob...@gm...> > Greetings: > > I also have Finnish names in my ancestry, and will need the "farm name" > field too! What would be the best field to use for farm name as it becomes > part of the person's name? > > Something like: > Petter Anders Annason Wass E. Stenbacka > > Here is the reference information: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > In Finland there were no last names for most. Children were given a first > name and maybe a middle, but the final name like, Annason, is really a > description of who the child belonged to. Usually, The father's name was > given, as in Peter's son, (Peterson), ...but sometimes the mother's name was > used as in this case, Petter Annason becouse Peter was illegitimate. There > was no father's name to be given. and Petter's mom's name is Anna hence > Anna's son. Because of this naming system, they found there were too many > with the same name so the only way to tell one from the other is to also add > the name which farm or parish the came from. Petter Anders Annason came > from the Wass Farm. The name Wass should no be excluded for this basically > became a part of his identity. The "e. Stenbacka" means he was born on the > Stenbacka farm. Sophia, before she came here was really Brita Sophia > Andersdotter (Ander's Daughrter), with Back at the end because she was born > on and from the Back Farm. Apparently, Petter Anders Annasson was born on > Stenbacka, moved to Back when he married his wife from there, had Sophia > there, Then moved to Wass Farm where Sophia's brother was born. > > Petter Anders Annason Wass e.(born in) Stenbacka (farm), He got food and a > place to live for his family as compensation for work he did for the farmer. > In other words was a lodger and dependant of the farmer. Later he was a > soldier. He died as a "backstugusittare", (a side-cottage dweller, not > owner). He was born out of wedlock. He was married twice and had children > in both marriages. Our line came from the second marriage. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nice example. No I will not add farm name :-) The reasoning is as follows: 1/ Names which can be the same between different children are family names 2/ Hence, Annason and Stenbacka are family names, two brothers can have this name as both are the son of Anna, and both live on that farm 3/ The new design has multiple surname (which we use as the field for family name in Gramps), and a surname has a field 'origintype'. I predefined Feudal as an origin type (for eg a baron that has the name of his lands). Patronymic and Matronymic are also predefined. Farm name is not (you could use feudal, just as the aristrocracy, they are named after the land), you would have to add that as a custom origintype: Farm. Obviously, all this is possible today using a long family name and a couple of notes to document things, the only new thing in 3.3 will be that the computer will know it, so can do special things with it in filters or reports. Hope this clarifies this. Greetings, Benny > > > Sincerely yours, > Rob G. Healey > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, jerome <rom...@ya...> wrote: > >> > Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so >> > as not to >> > confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). >> >> Was trying to find the french translation (maybe 'prénom usuel'), I find a >> comment about naming for Alsacian, Swiss, German or French (maybe Belgian) >> people: >> http://www.pantel-web.de/bw_mirror/text/t46.txt >> It seems I will also use this field. So, I need to find an improved >> seizure scheme for my names... >> >> >> Jérôme >> >> PS: does name extension will support something like 'farm name'? >> >> >> --- En date de : Mar 5.10.10, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> a écrit : >> >> > De: Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> >> > Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] geps021 name? >> > À: "Tim Lyons" <guy...@gm...> >> > Cc: gra...@li... >> > Date: Mardi 5 octobre 2010, 16h15 >> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Tim >> > Lyons <guy...@gm...> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > Benny Malengier wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Well, call name is the given name you use, so >> > there is no need for >> > >> splitting >> > >> up given name and slowing down entry of people. I >> > myself have 3 given >> > >> names, >> > >> many people here have. You will see that call name >> > becomes red if it is >> > >> not >> > >> a part of the given name. >> > >> >> > > >> > > A given name is Robert, but the name I am called by (I >> > presume this is what >> > > is meant by callname) is Rob. Does that mean that my >> > callname would become >> > > red? If so, seems strange. [Put another way, what do >> > you mean by "part >> > > of"?]. >> > >> > FYI, callname is the English translation of "rufname"... it >> > isn't a >> > nickname but a part of a name with a technical meaning: >> > >> > >> http://www.firstnamesgermany.com/vorname-and-rufname-about-german-given-names/ >> > >> > Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so >> > as not to >> > confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). >> > I believe >> > that the new revised name object has a place for nickname, >> > but I >> > haven't followed the development. >> > >> > -Doug >> > >> > >> > > [I appreciate that Anthony/Andy and Dorothy/Dot are >> > also problematic, just >> > > wondered what the validation is for?] >> > > -- >> > > View this message in context: >> http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/geps021-name-tp2955196p2956070.html >> > > Sent from the GRAMPS - Dev mailing list archive at >> > Nabble.com. >> > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 >> > supports >> > > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and >> > DOM L2 & L3. >> > > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more >> > time creating great >> > > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. >> > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Gramps-devel mailing list >> > > Gra...@li... >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel >> > > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 >> > supports >> > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and >> > DOM L2 & L3. >> > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more >> > time creating great >> > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. >> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Gramps-devel mailing list >> > Gra...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports >> standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 & L3. >> Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great >> experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb >> _______________________________________________ >> Gramps-devel mailing list >> Gra...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 & L3. > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > > |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2010-10-05 19:07:08
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2010/10/5 Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...> > > > 2010/10/5 Rob Healey <rob...@gm...> > >> Greetings: >> >> >> I also have Finnish names in my ancestry, and will need the "farm name" >> field too! What would be the best field to use for farm name as it becomes >> part of the person's name? >> >> Something like: >> Petter Anders Annason Wass E. Stenbacka >> >> Here is the reference information: >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> In Finland there were no last names for most. Children were given a first >> name and maybe a middle, but the final name like, Annason, is really a >> description of who the child belonged to. Usually, The father's name was >> given, as in Peter's son, (Peterson), ...but sometimes the mother's name was >> used as in this case, Petter Annason becouse Peter was illegitimate. There >> was no father's name to be given. and Petter's mom's name is Anna hence >> Anna's son. Because of this naming system, they found there were too many >> with the same name so the only way to tell one from the other is to also add >> the name which farm or parish the came from. Petter Anders Annason came >> from the Wass Farm. The name Wass should no be excluded for this basically >> became a part of his identity. The "e. Stenbacka" means he was born on the >> Stenbacka farm. Sophia, before she came here was really Brita Sophia >> Andersdotter (Ander's Daughrter), with Back at the end because she was born >> on and from the Back Farm. Apparently, Petter Anders Annasson was born on >> Stenbacka, moved to Back when he married his wife from there, had Sophia >> there, Then moved to Wass Farm where Sophia's brother was born. >> >> Petter Anders Annason Wass e.(born in) Stenbacka (farm), He got food and a >> place to live for his family as compensation for work he did for the farmer. >> In other words was a lodger and dependant of the farmer. Later he was a >> soldier. He died as a "backstugusittare", (a side-cottage dweller, not >> owner). He was born out of wedlock. He was married twice and had children >> in both marriages. Our line came from the second marriage. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > Nice example. No I will not add farm name :-) > > The reasoning is as follows: > > 1/ Names which can be the same between different children are family names > 2/ Hence, Annason and Stenbacka are family names, two brothers can have > this name as both are the son of Anna, and both live on that farm > 3/ The new design has multiple surname (which we use as the field for > family name in Gramps), and a surname has a field 'origintype'. I predefined > Feudal as an origin type (for eg a baron that has the name of his lands). > Patronymic and Matronymic are also predefined. Farm name is not (you could > use feudal, just as the aristrocracy, they are named after the land), you > would have to add that as a custom origintype: Farm. > > Obviously, all this is possible today using a long family name and a couple > of notes to document things, the only new thing in 3.3 will be that the > computer will know it, so can do special things with it in filters or > reports. > > Hope this clarifies this. > To clarify even further after reading the document of Jerome, surname is officially only for names you find on official documents. f a farmname is colloquial, then it is more like a family nick name. Family nick name is a new field in 3.3, so you can add farm name also there. Family nick name is a name given to a complete family to distinguish them from relatives living in the same neighbourhood. As family nick name will be rarely used, and to not have too many empty fields in the person editor, I have now chosen to have family nick name only in the name editor, not in the person editors. I could make it an option in the preferences to see these or not ... . Also Group as is not shown in person editor. So, there is a lot of versatility, as always in Gramps. For those who strictly follow documents, and don't want to create an alternate name for colloquial given and family name, there is nick name, and family nick name. Some people for the same person will however add the family nick name as a surname, ... . Gramps does not try to force you one way or the other, especially as you often have a single document and have no way of determining 100% what the different name parts stand for. Benny > > Greetings, > Benny > >> >> >> Sincerely yours, >> Rob G. Healey >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, jerome <rom...@ya...> wrote: >> >>> > Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so >>> > as not to >>> > confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). >>> >>> Was trying to find the french translation (maybe 'prénom usuel'), I find >>> a comment about naming for Alsacian, Swiss, German or French (maybe Belgian) >>> people: >>> http://www.pantel-web.de/bw_mirror/text/t46.txt >>> It seems I will also use this field. So, I need to find an improved >>> seizure scheme for my names... >>> >>> >>> Jérôme >>> >>> PS: does name extension will support something like 'farm name'? >>> >>> >>> --- En date de : Mar 5.10.10, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> a >>> écrit : >>> >>> > De: Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> >>> > Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] geps021 name? >>> > À: "Tim Lyons" <guy...@gm...> >>> > Cc: gra...@li... >>> > Date: Mardi 5 octobre 2010, 16h15 >>> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Tim >>> > Lyons <guy...@gm...> >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Benny Malengier wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> Well, call name is the given name you use, so >>> > there is no need for >>> > >> splitting >>> > >> up given name and slowing down entry of people. I >>> > myself have 3 given >>> > >> names, >>> > >> many people here have. You will see that call name >>> > becomes red if it is >>> > >> not >>> > >> a part of the given name. >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > A given name is Robert, but the name I am called by (I >>> > presume this is what >>> > > is meant by callname) is Rob. Does that mean that my >>> > callname would become >>> > > red? If so, seems strange. [Put another way, what do >>> > you mean by "part >>> > > of"?]. >>> > >>> > FYI, callname is the English translation of "rufname"... it >>> > isn't a >>> > nickname but a part of a name with a technical meaning: >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.firstnamesgermany.com/vorname-and-rufname-about-german-given-names/ >>> > >>> > Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so >>> > as not to >>> > confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). >>> > I believe >>> > that the new revised name object has a place for nickname, >>> > but I >>> > haven't followed the development. >>> > >>> > -Doug >>> > >>> > >>> > > [I appreciate that Anthony/Andy and Dorothy/Dot are >>> > also problematic, just >>> > > wondered what the validation is for?] >>> > > -- >>> > > View this message in context: >>> http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/geps021-name-tp2955196p2956070.html >>> > > Sent from the GRAMPS - Dev mailing list archive at >>> > Nabble.com. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > > Beautiful is writing same markup. 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From: Stein E. B. <gr...@be...> - 2010-10-06 08:29:46
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:07:00 +0200, Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...> wrote: > 2010/10/5 Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...> <snip /> > To clarify even further after reading the document of Jerome, surname is > officially only for names you find on official documents. > f a farmname is colloquial, then it is more like a family nick name. In Scandinavia and Norway in particular there where no rules for how person names should be constructed until around 1920. So here you have relatives that have names like this: Hans Julius Gravaas Henriksen, where 'Hans Julius' is the Given name. 'Julius' would probably be his Rufname/callname. 'Gravaas' would be the Farm name or also sometimes called Address name. 'Henriksen' is the 'normal' patronymic as you would expect. All these names exist in official Norwegian documents. Like the census records and Church records. In all these sources the surnames/family names are mixed up, sometimes one or more of them are left out. Below is a few examples from my research: * http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=16&filnamn=dp17181717&gardpostnr=10355&personpostnr=43369&sokefelt=skjul&merk=43369 * http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=dp17181717&gardpostnr=11045&sokefelt=skjul&merk=45545 * http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=62&filnamn=vi17181826&gardpostnr=1619&sokefelt=skjul&merk=8008 * http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=vi17181826&gardpostnr=1604&sokefelt=skjul&merk=7922 * http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f01718&gardpostnr=477&sokefelt=skjul&merk=2956 * http://www.disnorge.no/gravminner/bilde.php?id=1644119 After 1923 some took their patronymicon as their 'family name' others took their 'farm/address name'. The following links also gives some background to this complex topic: * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_family_name_etymology * http://www.infonorway.com/?norway=names/surnames * http://www.borgos.nndata.no/names.htm I saw one of the earlier postings about the different family names you can have in Spain, oh dear ;-) I think we sort of are ending up there in Norway to day as well. As the usage of 'middle names' as in 'extra family names' are coming to more use. I could have been named Stein Erik Gravaas Berget. Where 'Stein Erik' is my given, 'Gravaas' would be my middle name, and 'Berget' would be my family name. Oh well... <snip /> > Benny <snip /> -- Stein Erik Berget |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2010-10-06 08:45:55
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2010/10/6 Stein Erik Berget <gr...@be...> > On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:07:00 +0200, Benny Malengier > <ben...@gm...> wrote: > > > 2010/10/5 Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...> > > > <snip /> > > > To clarify even further after reading the document of Jerome, surname is > > officially only for names you find on official documents. > > f a farmname is colloquial, then it is more like a family nick name. > > In Scandinavia and Norway in particular there where no rules for how > person names should be constructed until around 1920. So here you have > relatives that have names like this: Hans Julius Gravaas Henriksen, where > 'Hans Julius' is the Given name. 'Julius' would probably be his > Rufname/callname. 'Gravaas' would be the Farm name or also sometimes > called Address name. 'Henriksen' is the 'normal' patronymic as you would > expect. All these names exist in official Norwegian documents. Like the > census records and Church records. In all these sources the > surnames/family names are mixed up, sometimes one or more of them are left > I think it everywhere is a bit like that. We have the alternate name tab in Gramps for variants between documents. Question for designing the changes are: 1. should something like 'Farm Name', be a predefined origin type of surname or not? I now have in http://gramps.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gramps/branches/geps/gep-021-name/src/gen/lib/nameorigintype.py?revision=15954&view=markup: 45 .. attribute UNKNOWN: Unknown origin 46 .. attribute CUSTOM: Custom user defined origin 47 .. attribute NONE: no given origin 48 .. attribute INHERITED: name was inherited from parents 49 .. attribute GIVEN: name was bestowed on the individual 50 .. attribute TAKEN: name was chosen by the individual 51 .. attribute PATRONYMIC: name is derived from father's given name 52 .. attribute MATRONYMIC: name is derived from mother's given name 53 .. attribute FEUDAL: name refers to the holding of land in a fief 54 .. attribute PSEUDONYM: name is fictitious Default is NONE. 2. Do you think the new design will allow you to better document your names? In the end, people will use the system in different ways. Some will choose what they like best, and some will create alternate names for every variation they find. Benny out. Below is a few examples from my research: > > * > > http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=16&filnamn=dp17181717&gardpostnr=10355&personpostnr=43369&sokefelt=skjul&merk=43369 > * > > http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=dp17181717&gardpostnr=11045&sokefelt=skjul&merk=45545 > * > > http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=62&filnamn=vi17181826&gardpostnr=1619&sokefelt=skjul&merk=8008 > * > > http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=vi17181826&gardpostnr=1604&sokefelt=skjul&merk=7922 > * > > http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f01718&gardpostnr=477&sokefelt=skjul&merk=2956 > * http://www.disnorge.no/gravminner/bilde.php?id=1644119 > > After 1923 some took their patronymicon as their 'family name' others took > their 'farm/address name'. The following links also gives some background > to this complex topic: > * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_family_name_etymology > * http://www.infonorway.com/?norway=names/surnames > * http://www.borgos.nndata.no/names.htm > > I saw one of the earlier postings about the different family names you can > have in Spain, oh dear ;-) I think we sort of are ending up there in > Norway to day as well. As the usage of 'middle names' as in 'extra family > names' are coming to more use. I could have been named Stein Erik Gravaas > Berget. Where 'Stein Erik' is my given, 'Gravaas' would be my middle name, > and 'Berget' would be my family name. Oh well... > > > <snip /> > > > Benny > > <snip /> > > -- > Stein Erik Berget > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 & L3. > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > |
From: John R. <jr...@ce...> - 2010-10-05 16:46:01
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On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:38 AM, jerome wrote: >> Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so >> as not to >> confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). > > Was trying to find the french translation (maybe 'prénom usuel'), I find a comment about naming for Alsacian, Swiss, German or French (maybe Belgian) people: > http://www.pantel-web.de/bw_mirror/text/t46.txt > It seems I will also use this field. So, I need to find an improved seizure scheme for my names... > > > Jérôme > > PS: does name extension will support something like 'farm name'? What about "dit names" (http://www.lachance.org/dit.html) ? Regards, John Ralls |
From: Josip <jo...@pi...> - 2010-10-06 16:29:45
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On 05.10.2010 18:45, John Ralls wrote: > > > What about "dit names" (http://www.lachance.org/dit.html) ? > > Regards, > John Ralls > That would be "Familynick" in new gramps. Antoine Pépin dit Lachance or Antoine Pépin called Lachance is in form Given Surname Familynick -- Josip |
From: Nick H. <nic...@ho...> - 2010-10-06 18:43:53
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Benny Malengier wrote: > > > 2010/10/6 Stein Erik Berget <gr...@be... <mailto:gr...@be...>> > > On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:07:00 +0200, Benny Malengier > <ben...@gm... <mailto:ben...@gm...>> wrote: > > > 2010/10/5 Benny Malengier <ben...@gm... > <mailto:ben...@gm...>> > > > <snip /> > > > To clarify even further after reading the document of Jerome, > surname is > > officially only for names you find on official documents. > > f a farmname is colloquial, then it is more like a family nick name. > > In Scandinavia and Norway in particular there where no rules for how > person names should be constructed until around 1920. So here you have > relatives that have names like this: Hans Julius Gravaas > Henriksen, where > 'Hans Julius' is the Given name. 'Julius' would probably be his > Rufname/callname. 'Gravaas' would be the Farm name or also sometimes > called Address name. 'Henriksen' is the 'normal' patronymic as you > would > expect. All these names exist in official Norwegian documents. > Like the > census records and Church records. In all these sources the > surnames/family names are mixed up, sometimes one or more of them > are left > > > I think it everywhere is a bit like that. We have the alternate name > tab in Gramps for variants between documents. > Question for designing the changes are: > > 1. should something like 'Farm Name', be a predefined origin type of > surname or not? > I now have in > http://gramps.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gramps/branches/geps/gep-021-name/src/gen/lib/nameorigintype.py?revision=15954&view=markup > <http://gramps.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gramps/branches/geps/gep-021-name/src/gen/lib/nameorigintype.py?revision=15954&view=markup> > : > 45 .. attribute UNKNOWN: Unknown origin > 46 .. attribute CUSTOM: Custom user defined origin > 47 .. attribute NONE: no given origin > 48 .. attribute INHERITED: name was inherited from parents > 49 .. attribute GIVEN: name was bestowed on the individual > 50 .. attribute TAKEN: name was chosen by the individual > 51 .. attribute PATRONYMIC: name is derived from father's given name > 52 .. attribute MATRONYMIC: name is derived from mother's given name > 53 .. attribute FEUDAL: name refers to the holding of land in a fief > 54 .. attribute PSEUDONYM: name is fictitious > > Default is NONE. Do we need both UNKNOWN and NONE? What is the difference? Nick. > > 2. Do you think the new design will allow you to better document your > names? In the end, people will use the system in different ways. Some > will choose what they like best, and some will create alternate names > for every variation they find. > > Benny > > out. Below is a few examples from my research: > > * > http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=16&filnamn=dp17181717&gardpostnr=10355&personpostnr=43369&sokefelt=skjul&merk=43369 > <http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=16&filnamn=dp17181717&gardpostnr=10355&personpostnr=43369&sokefelt=skjul&merk=43369> > * > http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=dp17181717&gardpostnr=11045&sokefelt=skjul&merk=45545 > <http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=dp17181717&gardpostnr=11045&sokefelt=skjul&merk=45545> > * > http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=62&filnamn=vi17181826&gardpostnr=1619&sokefelt=skjul&merk=8008 > <http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=62&filnamn=vi17181826&gardpostnr=1619&sokefelt=skjul&merk=8008> > * > http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=vi17181826&gardpostnr=1604&sokefelt=skjul&merk=7922 > <http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=vi17181826&gardpostnr=1604&sokefelt=skjul&merk=7922> > * > http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f01718&gardpostnr=477&sokefelt=skjul&merk=2956 > <http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f01718&gardpostnr=477&sokefelt=skjul&merk=2956> > * http://www.disnorge.no/gravminner/bilde.php?id=1644119 > > After 1923 some took their patronymicon as their 'family name' > others took > their 'farm/address name'. The following links also gives some > background > to this complex topic: > * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_family_name_etymology > * http://www.infonorway.com/?norway=names/surnames > * http://www.borgos.nndata.no/names.htm > > I saw one of the earlier postings about the different family names > you can > have in Spain, oh dear ;-) I think we sort of are ending up there in > Norway to day as well. As the usage of 'middle names' as in 'extra > family > names' are coming to more use. I could have been named Stein Erik > Gravaas > Berget. Where 'Stein Erik' is my given, 'Gravaas' would be my > middle name, > and 'Berget' would be my family name. Oh well... > > > <snip /> > > > Benny > > <snip /> > > -- > Stein Erik Berget > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 & L3. > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating > great > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > Gra...@li... > <mailto:Gra...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 & L3. > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2010-10-06 20:46:39
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2010/10/6 Nick Hall <nic...@ho...> > > > Benny Malengier wrote: > >> >> >> 2010/10/6 Stein Erik Berget <gr...@be... <mailto:gr...@be... >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:07:00 +0200, Benny Malengier >> <ben...@gm... <mailto:ben...@gm...>> wrote: >> >> > 2010/10/5 Benny Malengier <ben...@gm... >> <mailto:ben...@gm...>> >> >> >> >> <snip /> >> >> > To clarify even further after reading the document of Jerome, >> surname is >> > officially only for names you find on official documents. >> > f a farmname is colloquial, then it is more like a family nick name. >> >> In Scandinavia and Norway in particular there where no rules for how >> person names should be constructed until around 1920. So here you have >> relatives that have names like this: Hans Julius Gravaas >> Henriksen, where >> 'Hans Julius' is the Given name. 'Julius' would probably be his >> Rufname/callname. 'Gravaas' would be the Farm name or also sometimes >> called Address name. 'Henriksen' is the 'normal' patronymic as you >> would >> expect. All these names exist in official Norwegian documents. >> Like the >> census records and Church records. In all these sources the >> surnames/family names are mixed up, sometimes one or more of them >> are left >> >> >> I think it everywhere is a bit like that. We have the alternate name tab >> in Gramps for variants between documents. >> Question for designing the changes are: >> >> 1. should something like 'Farm Name', be a predefined origin type of >> surname or not? >> I now have in >> http://gramps.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gramps/branches/geps/gep-021-name/src/gen/lib/nameorigintype.py?revision=15954&view=markup< >> http://gramps.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gramps/branches/geps/gep-021-name/src/gen/lib/nameorigintype.py?revision=15954&view=markup> >> : >> >> 45 .. attribute UNKNOWN: Unknown origin >> 46 .. attribute CUSTOM: Custom user defined origin >> 47 .. attribute NONE: no given origin >> 48 .. attribute INHERITED: name was inherited from parents >> 49 .. attribute GIVEN: name was bestowed on the individual >> 50 .. attribute TAKEN: name was chosen by the individual >> 51 .. attribute PATRONYMIC: name is derived from father's given name >> 52 .. attribute MATRONYMIC: name is derived from mother's given name >> 53 .. attribute FEUDAL: name refers to the holding of land in a fief >> 54 .. attribute PSEUDONYM: name is fictitious >> Default is NONE. >> > > Do we need both UNKNOWN and NONE? What is the difference? > None is not in the way. It means you have not given it a value. So it has the meaning the user wants it to have (eg it implies inherited) or it really has no value because you are not interested in this field. Unknown has a specific meaning, you do not know. The problem with a default (like birth on child creation) is that due to the fact it is default, it is used, so you can no longer trust it to be true. Therefore, I personally like NONE more. A workaround would be NONE by default, but allowing to set another default in the preferences, which would be easy to add. Benny |
From: Tim L. <guy...@gm...> - 2010-10-05 14:40:49
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On 5 Oct 2010, at 15:15, Doug Blank wrote: > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Tim Lyons <guy...@gm...> > wrote: >> >> >> Benny Malengier wrote: >>> >>> Well, call name is the given name you use, so there is no need for >>> splitting >>> up given name and slowing down entry of people. I myself have 3 >>> given >>> names, >>> many people here have. You will see that call name becomes red if >>> it is >>> not >>> a part of the given name. >>> >> >> A given name is Robert, but the name I am called by (I presume this >> is what >> is meant by callname) is Rob. Does that mean that my callname would >> become >> red? If so, seems strange. [Put another way, what do you mean by >> "part >> of"?]. > > FYI, callname is the English translation of "rufname"... it isn't a > nickname but a part of a name with a technical meaning: > > http://www.firstnamesgermany.com/vorname-and-rufname-about-german-given-names/ > > Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so as not to > confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). I believe > that the new revised name object has a place for nickname, but I > haven't followed the development. Thanks, I didn't understand what was meant by callname - perhaps as you say there is no culture that calls it callname! Is it really worth having a build-in mechanism for one specific cultural usage? Why not call this field Nickname? Then it could reasonably be used for Rufname if applicable? This would seem to be more consistent with GEDCOM, where every <personal_name_structure> can have (one or more) nicknames? |
From: Doug B. <dou...@gm...> - 2010-10-05 14:50:53
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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Tim Lyons <guy...@gm...> wrote: > > On 5 Oct 2010, at 15:15, Doug Blank wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Tim Lyons <guy...@gm...> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Benny Malengier wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, call name is the given name you use, so there is no need for >>>> splitting >>>> up given name and slowing down entry of people. I myself have 3 given >>>> names, >>>> many people here have. You will see that call name becomes red if it is >>>> not >>>> a part of the given name. >>>> >>> >>> A given name is Robert, but the name I am called by (I presume this is >>> what >>> is meant by callname) is Rob. Does that mean that my callname would >>> become >>> red? If so, seems strange. [Put another way, what do you mean by "part >>> of"?]. >> >> FYI, callname is the English translation of "rufname"... it isn't a >> nickname but a part of a name with a technical meaning: >> >> >> http://www.firstnamesgermany.com/vorname-and-rufname-about-german-given-names/ >> >> Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so as not to >> confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). I believe >> that the new revised name object has a place for nickname, but I >> haven't followed the development. > > Thanks, I didn't understand what was meant by callname - perhaps as you say > there is no culture that calls it callname! I think that there may be a few cultures that use (or did use) rufname/callname. > Is it really worth having a build-in mechanism for one specific cultural > usage? Why not call this field Nickname? Then it could reasonably be used > for Rufname if applicable? This would seem to be more consistent with > GEDCOM, where every <personal_name_structure> can have (one or more) > nicknames? This has been discussed at length over the years. I think Benny's latest work represents the state of the art in name representation, across cultures. Also, our goal is not to cater to GEDCOM, but to realize that we have to work with it for the time being. Coming up with a strategy for going through GEDCOM is definitely part of the discussion that we have had, and continue to have. -Doug |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2010-10-05 15:20:02
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2010/10/5 Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Tim Lyons <guy...@gm...> wrote: > > > > On 5 Oct 2010, at 15:15, Doug Blank wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Tim Lyons <guy...@gm...> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Benny Malengier wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Well, call name is the given name you use, so there is no need for > >>>> splitting > >>>> up given name and slowing down entry of people. I myself have 3 given > >>>> names, > >>>> many people here have. You will see that call name becomes red if it > is > >>>> not > >>>> a part of the given name. > >>>> > >>> > >>> A given name is Robert, but the name I am called by (I presume this is > >>> what > >>> is meant by callname) is Rob. Does that mean that my callname would > >>> become > >>> red? If so, seems strange. [Put another way, what do you mean by "part > >>> of"?]. > >> > >> FYI, callname is the English translation of "rufname"... it isn't a > >> nickname but a part of a name with a technical meaning: > >> > >> > >> > http://www.firstnamesgermany.com/vorname-and-rufname-about-german-given-names/ > >> > >> Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so as not to > >> confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?). I believe > >> that the new revised name object has a place for nickname, but I > >> haven't followed the development. > > > > Thanks, I didn't understand what was meant by callname - perhaps as you > say > > there is no culture that calls it callname! > > I think that there may be a few cultures that use (or did use) > rufname/callname. > > > Is it really worth having a build-in mechanism for one specific cultural > > usage? Why not call this field Nickname? Then it could reasonably be used > > for Rufname if applicable? This would seem to be more consistent with > > GEDCOM, where every <personal_name_structure> can have (one or more) > > nicknames? > > This has been discussed at length over the years. I think Benny's > latest work represents the state of the art in name representation, > across cultures. > Thanks Doug :-) As we add nickname field, there is no longer a reason to misuse callname for nickname :-) The idea is that we can underline the part of the name that is the callname in reports. We could extend the idea of callname as a part of a given name, so that Rob instead of Robert works, but I'd vote against that, as legally, Rob has no meaning, and underlining a part of a name is perhaps also not very nice. In name representation, it would be Robert ("Rob") Smith, if you select the "nickname" way of name display, whereas typically callname is used to avoid printing all the given names. Note also that the field turning red does not mean you are not allowed to use it to store Rob, if that is what you want to do with that field. The red indicates we cannot use the field as it is meant to be used in some reports (underlining), just like a longitude we cannot parse cannot be used on a map, or a red date cannot be used in date comparison. Benny. > > Also, our goal is not to cater to GEDCOM, but to realize that we have > to work with it for the time being. Coming up with a strategy for > going through GEDCOM is definitely part of the discussion that we have > had, and continue to have. > > -Doug > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 & L3. > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > |