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gnuplot under windows platform and octave

[Tatsuro M. <tma...@ya...>]

Hello

The following that I vote to gnuplot ML.
This is related to octave so that I will forward it.

=============
Hello

--- Michael Goffioul <mic...@gm...> wrote:
> >  - I think this executable could be called gnuplot, as this is the name of
> >   the console application everywhere.
> 
> I used pgnuplot, because this is the program the octave's configure script
> is looking for under Windows platform.

Now combination of pgnuplot and wgnuplot does not work for octave.  
I think that octave should be change for always looking gnuplot and your pgnuplot is renamed 
as gnuplot. 
The above makes things to be simple,  I think.

Regards

Tatsuro 

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Re: gnuplot under windows platform and octave

[Petr M. <mi...@ph...>]

Let's wait for the patch update so that it can be tested. Not only Octave 
but also other programs expect "pgnuplot" on Windows so we could keep that 
name.

> The following that I vote to gnuplot ML.
> This is related to octave so that I will forward it.
> 
> Now combination of pgnuplot and wgnuplot does not work for octave.  
> I think that octave should be change for always looking gnuplot and your pgnuplot is renamed 
> as gnuplot. 
> The above makes things to be simple,  I think.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tatsuro 

Re: gnuplot under windows platform and octave

[Tatsuro M. <tma...@ya...>]

Hello

Mmmmmmm......

I know other programs are using pgnuplot+wgnuplot on windows.
For example, Maxima.

However, for octave, pgnuplot+wgnuplot ordinally distributed does work at all now.
Michael's console mode gnuplot and gnuplot on cygwin are able to be used.

I think that platform is not a problem.  What program the host software uses is a problem.
In this sence, octave no longer is able to use pgnuplot+wgnuplot on windows.
Therefore, I think that Michael's console mode gnuplot should be rename as a gnuplot not a
pgnuplot.

This makes things clear, I think.

I would like to hear other people opinion.

Regards

Tatsuro


  

--- Petr Mikulik <mi...@ph...> wrote:

> Let's wait for the patch update so that it can be tested. Not only Octave 
> but also other programs expect "pgnuplot" on Windows so we could keep that 
> name.
> 
> > The following that I vote to gnuplot ML.
> > This is related to octave so that I will forward it.
> > 
> > Now combination of pgnuplot and wgnuplot does not work for octave.  
> > I think that octave should be change for always looking gnuplot and your pgnuplot is renamed 
> > as gnuplot. 
> > The above makes things to be simple,  I think.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Tatsuro 
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Naming of gnuplot binaries which are native to windows including the console mode one built by Michael

[Tatsuro M. <tma...@ya...>]

Hello Petr Mikulik 

I would like to confirm what you will proceed gnuplot native to windows.

> wgnuplot
> wgnuplot_pipes
> pgnuplot

wgnuplot -> Windows native original console gnuplot with GUI menu. 
wgnuplot_pipes -> Nearly equal to the above but allow like: plot '< awk -f ***.awk' from
                  wgnuplot console.
pgnuplot -> Console mode gnuplot for windows from cmd  prompt (and from proxy console software like 
console2).  Of course the pipe also can be used for bidirectional unlike current pgnuplot.

If your idea is the above, I would like to compromize for naming for the compatibility to
other software to use gnuplot on windows.

However, even though in my persinal mind, I would like to name it just a gnuplot.

Hello, Ethan and HBB, how do you think about this matter?

Regards

Tatsuro




--- Petr Mikulik <mi...@ph...> wrote:

> > >  Your patch for gnuplot
> > >  [ 1627936 ] Gnuplot Win32 in console mode
> > >  http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1627936&group_id=2055&atid=302055
> > >  is dated Janury 2007.
> > 
> > >  From previous mails from Tatsuro MATSUOKA, I've got an impression the patch
> > >  you maintain is for gnuplot 4.3 because of the "refresh" command, but it's
> > >  actually for 4.2.2, right? I've tried it, and there are rejects for both
> > >  4.3cvs and 4.2.3.
> > 
> > It's only for 4.2.2. I didn't try with more recent versions. I stick with stable
> > releases for all packages I compile.
> 
> Gnuplot 4.2.3 is the stable version at the moment. There are just two minor 
> rejects when applying the patch, thus it should be very easy to do the 
> update for 4.2.3.
> 
> > >  In order to propagate your work into the gnuplot source code, I propose:
> > >
> > >  - you move the work on the patch to gnuplot's Patches:
> > >   [ 1627936 ] Gnuplot Win32 in console mode
> > >
> > >  - do you prefer to work on the patch for 4.2.3 or for 4.3cvs?
> > >
> > >  - you should split the patch into three independent parts:
> > >   - the wxt-MSW patches -- to be discussed with the authors of wx
> > >     terminal, put into cvs independently
> > >   - the OCTAVE_BUILD default settings -- another way how to set
> > >     its defaults should be found
> > >   - the core of your patch
> > >
> > >  - please add patches to makefile.mgw so that others can compile it by the
> > >   MingW compiler
> > 
> > I'll try to address these later. I'm quite busy for the moment and I don't
> > have that much time.
> 
> We are looking forward.
> 
> > It's a real console version: you get a DOS prompt where you can enter
> > commands. In that sense, it works like the OS/2 or UNIX versions.
> 
> Great!
> 
> > >  - If it is a pipe-only wgnuplot, then it should be really called "pgnuplot",
> > >   not gnuplot.
> > [snip]
> > >  And also other Windows programs using gnuplot drawing engine expect
> > >  pgnuplot.exe, so let's keep the name.
> > 
> > In my patch I used pgnuplot for the console version I developed, and
> > renamed the old pipe-to-wgnuplot to pgnuplot_win. So you end up with
> > 3 programs: wgnuplot, pgnuplot_win and pgnuplot. This is probably
> > not the optimal way to do it.
> 
> Then pgnuplot_win is not needed and there will be
> wgnuplot
> wgnuplot_pipes
> pgnuplot
> 
> (and the cygwin's x11 binaries).
> 
> 
> Let's continue on this issue after you have submitted the patches onto 
> #1627936.
> 
> 
> Greetings,
>   Petr
> 


--- Tatsuro MATSUOKA <tma...@ya...> wrote:

> Hello
> 
> Mmmmmmm......
> 
> I know other programs are using pgnuplot+wgnuplot on windows.
> For example, Maxima.
> 
> However, for octave, pgnuplot+wgnuplot ordinally distributed does work at all now.
> Michael's console mode gnuplot and gnuplot on cygwin are able to be used.
> 
> I think that platform is not a problem.  What program the host software uses is a problem.
> In this sence, octave no longer is able to use pgnuplot+wgnuplot on windows.
> Therefore, I think that Michael's console mode gnuplot should be rename as a gnuplot not a
> pgnuplot.
> 
> This makes things clear, I think.
> 
> I would like to hear other people opinion.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tatsuro
> 
> 
>   
> 
> --- Petr Mikulik <mi...@ph...> wrote:
> 
> > Let's wait for the patch update so that it can be tested. Not only Octave 
> > but also other programs expect "pgnuplot" on Windows so we could keep that 
> > name.
> > 
> > > The following that I vote to gnuplot ML.
> > > This is related to octave so that I will forward it.
> > > 
> > > Now combination of pgnuplot and wgnuplot does not work for octave.  
> > > I think that octave should be change for always looking gnuplot and your pgnuplot is renamed
> 
> > > as gnuplot. 
> > > The above makes things to be simple,  I think.
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > 
> > > Tatsuro 
> > 
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> 
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Re: Naming of gnuplot binaries which are native to windows including the console mode one built by Michael

[Tatsuro M. <tma...@ya...>]

Hello

Mmmmmmm

I am a mere one of long term user of gnuplot.
Therefore the previous mails have gone beyond my work.

Please excuse me.
However, this seems to be a quite important matter, I would like to discuss this matter 
among the developper staffs.

Regards

Tatsuro 


--- Tatsuro MATSUOKA <tma...@ya...> wrote:

> Hello Petr Mikulik 
> 
> I would like to confirm what you will proceed gnuplot native to windows.
> 
> > wgnuplot
> > wgnuplot_pipes
> > pgnuplot
> 
> wgnuplot -> Windows native original console gnuplot with GUI menu. 
> wgnuplot_pipes -> Nearly equal to the above but allow like: plot '< awk -f ***.awk' from
>                   wgnuplot console.
> pgnuplot -> Console mode gnuplot for windows from cmd  prompt (and from proxy console software
> like 
> console2).  Of course the pipe also can be used for bidirectional unlike current pgnuplot.
> 
> If your idea is the above, I would like to compromize for naming for the compatibility to
> other software to use gnuplot on windows.
> 
> However, even though in my persinal mind, I would like to name it just a gnuplot.
> 
> Hello, Ethan and HBB, how do you think about this matter?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tatsuro
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Petr Mikulik <mi...@ph...> wrote:
> 
> > > >  Your patch for gnuplot
> > > >  [ 1627936 ] Gnuplot Win32 in console mode
> > > > 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1627936&group_id=2055&atid=302055
> > > >  is dated Janury 2007.
> > > 
> > > >  From previous mails from Tatsuro MATSUOKA, I've got an impression the patch
> > > >  you maintain is for gnuplot 4.3 because of the "refresh" command, but it's
> > > >  actually for 4.2.2, right? I've tried it, and there are rejects for both
> > > >  4.3cvs and 4.2.3.
> > > 
> > > It's only for 4.2.2. I didn't try with more recent versions. I stick with stable
> > > releases for all packages I compile.
> > 
> > Gnuplot 4.2.3 is the stable version at the moment. There are just two minor 
> > rejects when applying the patch, thus it should be very easy to do the 
> > update for 4.2.3.
> > 
> > > >  In order to propagate your work into the gnuplot source code, I propose:
> > > >
> > > >  - you move the work on the patch to gnuplot's Patches:
> > > >   [ 1627936 ] Gnuplot Win32 in console mode
> > > >
> > > >  - do you prefer to work on the patch for 4.2.3 or for 4.3cvs?
> > > >
> > > >  - you should split the patch into three independent parts:
> > > >   - the wxt-MSW patches -- to be discussed with the authors of wx
> > > >     terminal, put into cvs independently
> > > >   - the OCTAVE_BUILD default settings -- another way how to set
> > > >     its defaults should be found
> > > >   - the core of your patch
> > > >
> > > >  - please add patches to makefile.mgw so that others can compile it by the
> > > >   MingW compiler
> > > 
> > > I'll try to address these later. I'm quite busy for the moment and I don't
> > > have that much time.
> > 
> > We are looking forward.
> > 
> > > It's a real console version: you get a DOS prompt where you can enter
> > > commands. In that sense, it works like the OS/2 or UNIX versions.
> > 
> > Great!
> > 
> > > >  - If it is a pipe-only wgnuplot, then it should be really called "pgnuplot",
> > > >   not gnuplot.
> > > [snip]
> > > >  And also other Windows programs using gnuplot drawing engine expect
> > > >  pgnuplot.exe, so let's keep the name.
> > > 
> > > In my patch I used pgnuplot for the console version I developed, and
> > > renamed the old pipe-to-wgnuplot to pgnuplot_win. So you end up with
> > > 3 programs: wgnuplot, pgnuplot_win and pgnuplot. This is probably
> > > not the optimal way to do it.
> > 
> > Then pgnuplot_win is not needed and there will be
> > wgnuplot
> > wgnuplot_pipes
> > pgnuplot
> > 
> > (and the cygwin's x11 binaries).
> > 
> > 
> > Let's continue on this issue after you have submitted the patches onto 
> > #1627936.
> > 
> > 
> > Greetings,
> >   Petr
> > 
> 
> 
> --- Tatsuro MATSUOKA <tma...@ya...> wrote:
> 
> > Hello
> > 
> > Mmmmmmm......
> > 
> > I know other programs are using pgnuplot+wgnuplot on windows.
> > For example, Maxima.
> > 
> > However, for octave, pgnuplot+wgnuplot ordinally distributed does work at all now.
> > Michael's console mode gnuplot and gnuplot on cygwin are able to be used.
> > 
> > I think that platform is not a problem.  What program the host software uses is a problem.
> > In this sence, octave no longer is able to use pgnuplot+wgnuplot on windows.
> > Therefore, I think that Michael's console mode gnuplot should be rename as a gnuplot not a
> > pgnuplot.
> > 
> > This makes things clear, I think.
> > 
> > I would like to hear other people opinion.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Tatsuro
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > --- Petr Mikulik <mi...@ph...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Let's wait for the patch update so that it can be tested. Not only Octave 
> > > but also other programs expect "pgnuplot" on Windows so we could keep that 
> > > name.
> > > 
> > > > The following that I vote to gnuplot ML.
> > > > This is related to octave so that I will forward it.
> > > > 
> > > > Now combination of pgnuplot and wgnuplot does not work for octave.  
> > > > I think that octave should be change for always looking gnuplot and your pgnuplot is
> renamed
> > 
> > > > as gnuplot. 
> > > > The above makes things to be simple,  I think.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards
> > > > 
> > > > Tatsuro 
> > > 
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Re: Naming of gnuplot binaries which are native to windows including the console mode one built by Michael

[Hans-Bernhard B. <HBB...@t-...>]

Tatsuro MATSUOKA wrote:
> Hello Petr Mikulik 
> 
> I would like to confirm what you will proceed gnuplot native to windows.
> 
>> wgnuplot
>> wgnuplot_pipes
>> pgnuplot
> 
> wgnuplot -> Windows native original console gnuplot with GUI menu. 

This description is confusing.  wgnuplot is not a "console gnuplot". 
It's the MS Windows GUI version.  In the context of MS Windows, 
"console" is the opposite of "GUI".

The text window provided by wgnuplot is not a console --- it's what we 
use because we _don't_ have a console.

> pgnuplot -> Console mode gnuplot for windows from cmd  prompt (and from proxy console software like 
> console2).  Of course the pipe also can be used for bidirectional unlike current pgnuplot.

I'd really prefer to have this named 'gnuplot'.  'pgnuplot' is the name 
of a very peculiar program.  Using the same name for a program that 
works in an entirely different way is guaranteed to confuse people.

Re: Naming of gnuplot binaries which are native to windows including the console mode one built by Michael

[Tatsuro M. <tma...@ya...>]

Hello

--- Hans-Bernhard Br醇rker <HBB...@t-...> wrote:

> Tatsuro MATSUOKA wrote:
> > Hello Petr Mikulik 
> > 
> > I would like to confirm what you will proceed gnuplot native to windows.
> > 
> >> wgnuplot
> >> wgnuplot_pipes
> >> pgnuplot
> > 
> > wgnuplot -> Windows native original console gnuplot with GUI menu. 
> 
> This description is confusing.  wgnuplot is not a "console gnuplot". 
> It's the MS Windows GUI version.  In the context of MS Windows, 
> "console" is the opposite of "GUI".

You are right. Sorry for my poor writing.  
'An interactive terminal with GUI Menu'
Is this representation OK?
 
> The text window provided by wgnuplot is not a console --- it's what we 
> use because we _don't_ have a console.
> 
> > pgnuplot -> Console mode gnuplot for windows from cmd  prompt (and from proxy console software
> like 
> > console2).  Of course the pipe also can be used for bidirectional unlike current pgnuplot.
> 
> I'd really prefer to have this named 'gnuplot'.  'pgnuplot' is the name 
> of a very peculiar program.  Using the same name for a program that 
> works in an entirely different way is guaranteed to confuse people.
> 
Personally in my mind, I also think so.
Pherhaps Petr stress on the comatibility to current softwarea on windows platform.

Regards
Tatsuro


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