gnukeyring-discuss

Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] development

[Jochen H. <Hoe...@In...>]

On Friday 24 October 2003 03:46, Martin Pool wrote:
> On 23 Oct 2003, Florin Andrei <fl...@sg...> wrote:
> > (*) - Much more important seems to be the master password on the Keyring
> > application. If that's too weak, the database is easily crackable.
>=20
> I think this is the limiting factor.  I think most people would not
> have the patience to write a passphrase of more than about 5-8
> characters.
>=20
> Since an astute attacker can try to decode it on a PC, they can cycle
> through combinations much faster than somebody could write them.

Yes, this is the biggest problem. I have added a figure at
http://gnukeyring.sf.net/crypto.html to demonstrate the importance of
a good password.

> Of course there might also be bugs.  This was the first real crypto
> program I wrote (quite a few years ago now), though other people and
> especially Jochen have checked it later.

There was a bug in 1.0 (cached encryption key was never removed), so
anyone who is still using that version should upgrade immediately.
There was even an exploit for this bug.

I don't know of any other serious bugs in the crypto algorithms, but a
few weaknesses are described on the page mentioned above, e.g. one can
see from the encrypted database which records have the same password
or account.  Also the database is not tamper-proof, but that isn't
really important as an attacker with write access to the palm would
most likely tamper the keyring binary not the database.

  Jochen

=2D-=20
Jochen Hoenicke, University of Oldenburg, 26111 Oldenburg, Germany
Email: hoe...@in...  Tel: +49 441 798 3124

Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] development

[anders t. <li...@th...>]

> There will also be a minor bug fix release 1.2.3 (dirty flag isn't set on
> changed records), but that has no new features.

  I've noticed a small display bug. One can enter accounts and passwords 
that are longer then the lines, but things that drop out of the screen is 
never displayed.

  What are the differences between Keyring and 995Safe?



-- 
anders thoresson

Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] development

[Martin P. <mb...@sa...>]

On 23 Oct 2003, Florin Andrei <fl...@sg...> wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 10:58, Jochen Hoenicke wrote:
> 
> > No, the development hasn't stopped.  I'm preparing a new version with
> > a new crypto algorithms and it takes some time, especially as I can only
> > work on weekends.  I hope to have a test release, soon.
> 
> Awesome!
> 
> Jochen, can i ask a few "hard" questions?
> What's the actual strength of the encryption algorithms on a device
> running PalmOS? Applications running on Unix clones make use of various
> network- and system-events to feed some pseudo-random numbers
> generators. Is there anything like that on PalmOS?

Yes, Jochen added a randomness pool based on the Linux /dev/random.
Graffiti input is a good (low baud) source of input that is hard for
an attacker to precisely predict.

> I guess what i'm asking is, are there any inherent weaknesses in an
> application that runs on PalmOS and uses strong encryption, just because
> it runs on PalmOS?
> 
> I'm quite aware that the encryption algo might not be the weakest link
> in the chain, so perhaps there's no point in worrying too much about
> that (*) but i thought i should ask anyway.
> 
> (*) - Much more important seems to be the master password on the Keyring
> application. If that's too weak, the database is easily crackable.

I think this is the limiting factor.  I think most people would not
have the patience to write a passphrase of more than about 5-8
characters.

Since an astute attacker can try to decode it on a PC, they can cycle
through combinations much faster than somebody could write them.

Of course there might also be bugs.  This was the first real crypto
program I wrote (quite a few years ago now), though other people and
especially Jochen have checked it later.

> Also, a resourceful group might read micro-scratches on the Grafitti
> area and deduce often-used string patterns.

Probably only a problem if a large fraction of your writing is the
passphrase.  This might happen if Keyring is the only app you use and
you rarely add new information.  But I would expect most people would
write in other information at least sometimes.

What I would really like to see is all of the data across all
applications strongly encrypted.  (Like mounting an encrypted volume
on unix.)  Doing so would probably require hairy PalmOS hacking, and
is certainly out of the scope of Keyring.

> Finally, if the application "leaks" information into the palmtop's
> memory, that could be used as well to do some guessing.
> 
> In any case, a palmtop is never to be considered totally secure, but i
> feel that, if the encryption stuff doesn't have any inherent flaws, the
> security of the hardware should be better than that of the PCs (it's a
> lot harder to install "keystroke loggers", it's a lot harder to snoop on
> the RF fields generated by the display and by the input device,
> etc.).

Yes, I think so.  In particular it's pretty hard for somebody to
remotely compromise a palmtop, but probably more than 1% of Windows or
Linux machines in the world are compromised at any time.

-- 
Martin 

Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] development

[Jochen H. <Hoe...@In...>]

Hello Florin

On Thursday 23 October 2003 20:47, Florin Andrei wrote:
> Jochen, can i ask a few "hard" questions?
> What's the actual strength of the encryption algorithms on a device
> running PalmOS? Applications running on Unix clones make use of various
> network- and system-events to feed some pseudo-random numbers
> generators. Is there anything like that on PalmOS?

Keyring has it's own strong random pool that is fed as long as keyring is
running by all events including pen stroke events. The algorithm used for
the pool is the same as for the linux /dev/urandom device. This involves
a SHA-1 hash (md5 for keyring-1.2) so even if no randomness is added it
is intractable (as long as you don't get direct access to the pool).

> I guess what i'm asking is, are there any inherent weaknesses in an
> application that runs on PalmOS and uses strong encryption, just because
> it runs on PalmOS?

I don't think so, except for computing intensive algorithms.  For example f=
or
key generation from the master password I had to use a smaller number of
iterations of SHA-1 sums than recommended by the standard.  These=20
iterations make brute-force attacks more difficult if the master password=20
is too simple. [This applies to the not yet finished version, all previous
versions including 1.2.3 use a single MD5 sum]

> In any case, a palmtop is never to be considered totally secure, but i
> feel that, if the encryption stuff doesn't have any inherent flaws, the
> security of the hardware should be better than that of the PCs (it's a
> lot harder to install "keystroke loggers", it's a lot harder to snoop on
> the RF fields generated by the display and by the input device, etc.).

It's probably as easy to build a keystroke logger for a Palm as is for a
PC.  There is no memory protection on the Palm and a program can=20
patch the OS kernel.  On the other hand you don't install new programs
from unknown sources as often on your Handheld as you do on your PC=20
and the PC is often used by more than one person.  Also the PCs are
more often on the internet than Palms are and as they are more
complicated they have more security holes.

> > There will also be a minor bug fix release 1.2.3 (dirty flag isn't set =
on
> > changed records), but that has no new features.
>=20
> An upgrade from 1.1 should be straightforward, right?

Yes, there should be no problems.

  Jochen

=2D-=20
Jochen Hoenicke, University of Oldenburg, 26111 Oldenburg, Germany
Email: hoe...@in...  Tel: +49 441 798 3124

Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] development

[Martin P. <mb...@sa...>]

Ironically enough, my Palm was stolen the other day. :-(

Good thing the most important stuff was encrypted.

-- 
Martin 

Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] development

[Florin A. <fl...@sg...>]

On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 10:58, Jochen Hoenicke wrote:

> No, the development hasn't stopped.  I'm preparing a new version with
> a new crypto algorithms and it takes some time, especially as I can only
> work on weekends.  I hope to have a test release, soon.

Awesome!

Jochen, can i ask a few "hard" questions?
What's the actual strength of the encryption algorithms on a device
running PalmOS? Applications running on Unix clones make use of various
network- and system-events to feed some pseudo-random numbers
generators. Is there anything like that on PalmOS?
I guess what i'm asking is, are there any inherent weaknesses in an
application that runs on PalmOS and uses strong encryption, just because
it runs on PalmOS?

I'm quite aware that the encryption algo might not be the weakest link
in the chain, so perhaps there's no point in worrying too much about
that (*) but i thought i should ask anyway.

(*) - Much more important seems to be the master password on the Keyring
application. If that's too weak, the database is easily crackable.
Also, a resourceful group might read micro-scratches on the Grafitti
area and deduce often-used string patterns.
Finally, if the application "leaks" information into the palmtop's
memory, that could be used as well to do some guessing.

In any case, a palmtop is never to be considered totally secure, but i
feel that, if the encryption stuff doesn't have any inherent flaws, the
security of the hardware should be better than that of the PCs (it's a
lot harder to install "keystroke loggers", it's a lot harder to snoop on
the RF fields generated by the display and by the input device, etc.).

> There will also be a minor bug fix release 1.2.3 (dirty flag isn't set on
> changed records), but that has no new features.

An upgrade from 1.1 should be straightforward, right?

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/

Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] development

[Jochen H. <Hoe...@In...>]

On Tuesday 21 October 2003 22:03, anders thoresson wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
>   I've just had my first looks at Keyring. And I like it. Just curious: H=
as=20
> development stopped? This list isn't that crowed with messages. :)

No, the development hasn't stopped.  I'm preparing a new version with
a new crypto algorithms and it takes some time, especially as I can only
work on weekends.  I hope to have a test release, soon.

There will also be a minor bug fix release 1.2.3 (dirty flag isn't set on
changed records), but that has no new features.

  Jochen

=2D-=20
Jochen Hoenicke, University of Oldenburg, 26111 Oldenburg, Germany
Email: hoe...@in...  Tel: +49 441 798 3124

Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] development

[Martin P. <mb...@sa...>]

On 21 Oct 2003, anders thoresson <li...@th...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  I've just had my first looks at Keyring. And I like it. Just curious: Has 
> development stopped? This list isn't that crowed with messages. :)

I have stopped working on it.  Jochen Hoenicke may still be interested
but I have not seen any changes recently.

If you would like to add further features please feel free.

-- 
Martin 

[gnukeyring-discuss] development

[anders t. <li...@th...>]

Hi,

  I've just had my first looks at Keyring. And I like it. Just curious: Has 
development stopped? This list isn't that crowed with messages. :)

-- 
anders thoresson

[gnukeyring-discuss] export to keyring on zaurus

[Retracile <ret...@ea...>]

All,

I need to transfer my data from gnukeyring for palmos to keyring on open=20
zaurus.  Is there a way to do that without exporting each of my passwords=
=20
individually?  I'm willing to do the conversion on a Linux PC if there is=
=20
software that will do it.  Barring that, if there is a concise descriptio=
n of=20
the data format that maybe I could parse...??

Any ideas/pointers/etc. would be greatly appreciated.

Eli

[gnukeyring-discuss] ygftfgybf

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Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] Windows conduit

[Artur P. <art...@no...>]

looks great, good work.

Artur

Alexandre Roberto Zia wrote:

> Hello
>  
>     I've made a client for windows to open my keyRing database.
>     It can be downloaded here.
> http://www.zia.com.br/keyringwin.html
>     It is a new code, and only tested in my computer. If anyone face 
> problems with it, please email-me.
>     Thanks,
>    
>    

[gnukeyring-discuss] Windows conduit

[Alexandre R. Z. <ale...@zi...>]

Hello

    I've made a client for windows to open my keyRing database.
    It can be downloaded here.
http://www.zia.com.br/keyringwin.html
    It is a new code, and only tested in my computer. If anyone face problems with it, please email-me.
    Thanks,
    
    

Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] Port for another OS?

[Martin P. <mb...@sa...>]

On 30 May 2003, Benjamin Esham <bd...@in...> wrote:
> On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 01:04  PM, Forrest Aldrich wrote:
> 
> >It would be useful to have a Unix/BSD port of this.   Curses based 
> >would work, or web-based.
> 
> Web-based sounds good.  Why not write it in PHP -- then it can be used 
> on *nix, Mac OS X, and Windows?

Both the API and user interface would be so different that I doubt it
could be a "port" in any meaningful sense.  It's probably better to
write a new application, based on the ideas you like in Keyring.

Perhaps if it was written in some kind of database scripting language
then you could just move it across, but it's not so that's by the by.

Personally I would feel less confident in storing confidential
information on a web server.  One of the nice things about keeping it
on a Palm is that there are fairly few ways for people to attack it.

-- 
Martin 

Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] Port for another OS?

[Benjamin E. <bd...@in...>]

On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 01:04  PM, Forrest Aldrich wrote:

> It would be useful to have a Unix/BSD port of this.   Curses based 
> would work, or web-based.

Web-based sounds good.  Why not write it in PHP -- then it can be used 
on *nix, Mac OS X, and Windows?

-- 
Benjamin D. Esham      {      http://bdesham.net
bd...@in...      }      AIM: bdesham 1 2 8

[gnukeyring-discuss] Port for another OS?

[Forrest A. <fo...@fo...>]

It would be useful to have a Unix/BSD port of this.   Curses based would 
work, or web-based.

[gnukeyring-discuss] KeyRing Conduit

[Douglas C. R. <itt...@ya...>]

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Greetings,

I am using the "conduit" for the first time.  BTW, a very nice
add-on.  I like to keep a paper copy of my passwords, just in
case!  I noticed that when I launch the program there are a
couple of duplicate entries on the screen. Only one show's an
entry when I click on it.  Just an oddity I may have caused when
I deleted the first entry I had made in the KeyRing program. 
Would I need to edit the registry to remove these?  If so, which
entry(s)?  Very cool program though!  I use daily.

Doug R.
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[gnukeyring-discuss] Keyring 1.2.1 released

[Jochen H. <Hoe...@In...>]

A new bug fix release for Keyring 1.2 is out:

Keyring for PalmOS 1.2.2

Copyright 1999-2003 The GNU Keyring Sourceforge Team

  http://gnukeyring.sourceforge.net/download.html

Changes from 1.2.1:

 * Fixed selecting an entry from the search form under Palm OS 5.0.

Changes from 1.2:

 * Fixed the "freeze on installation" bug.

MD5 checksums (binary mode):

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Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] Right place for enhancement requests?

[Martin P. <mb...@sa...>]

On 29 Jan 2003, Vinc Duran <vi...@fr...> wrote:
> Hello,
> Is the right place to put enhancement requests

Yes.  It's an even better place to send patches :-)

-- 
Martin 

[gnukeyring-discuss] Right place for enhancement requests?

[Vinc D. <vi...@fr...>]

Hello,
Is the right place to put enhancement requests
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnukeyring/ and then "Feature Requests"?
I added one about WEP keys and haven't seen any comments. I'm mostly
wondering if you guys see the request (and if you think it can be done).
Thanks,
Vinc Duran

[gnukeyring-discuss] thanks

[Douglas P. M. <dba...@ha...>]

Aloha,

I just wanted to say thanks to Jochen for your hard work on Keyring.
I use a Visor Deluxe, OS v. 3.1H3 and have not had any trouble. Nice work. I
glad I found this.

Mahalo-
Douglas

[gnukeyring-discuss] Keyring 1.2.1 released

[Jochen H. <Hoe...@In...>]

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A new bug fix release for Keyring 1.2 is out:

Keyring for PalmOS 1.2.1

Copyright 1999-2003 The GNU Keyring Sourceforge Team

  http://gnukeyring.sourceforge.net/download.html

Changes from 1.2:

 * Fixed the "freeze on installation" bug.

MD5 checksums (binary mode):

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[gnukeyring-discuss] Re: [BUG] freezes during installation

[Jochen H. <Hoe...@In...>]

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Hello,

This is from the gnukeyring bugs forum.

On Tuesday 21 January 2003 16:57, Michael Braginsky wrote:
>
> Initial Comment:
> If only keyring.prc is being installed, the system displays a 
> message that DESLib is needed and freezes. Soft reset 
> doesn't help, only the hard reset clears the problem. This 
> is ridiculous.
> 
> >Comment By: Jochen Hoenicke (hoenicke)
> > Date: 2003-01-21 10:27
> >
> > I can't reproduce this.  I tried several different ROM versions 
> > under pose
> > and it never freezed.  It just quits keyring as expected.
> >
>
> I probably was not quite clear about the problem. It happens during the
> installation, not on an attempt to use keyring. I am surprised that it
> checks for DESLib.prc during the installation or right after it at all.
> 
> I have PalmVx, OS 3.5.3
> During HotSync the program surprisingly produced a message that DESLib.prc
> was not present and froze on this message window. After a soft reset, the
> system gets to the same message or crashes (I tried several soft resets
> before going to a hard reset).
> I tried this twice. Happened both times. I am not really willing to
> experiment with this more since the condition is cured only by a 
> HardReset.


Yes, this makes sense now.  This also explains why I couldn't
reproduce it with pose; I don't install it via HotSync there.

I agree this is a serious bug.  I have put a warning on the download
page and hided the release on the sourceforge file page.  I will fix
this and release 1.2.1 soon.

  Jochen
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Re: [gnukeyring-discuss] Keyring 1.2 released

[Florin A. <fl...@sg...>]

On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 04:25, Jochen Hoenicke wrote:
> 
> A new stable version of Keyring is out:
> Keyring for PalmOS 1.2

Excellent!

>  * Use pilotSSLeay for encryption, which is a bit faster than 
>    the PalmOS builtin encryption.  The binaries from
>    pilotSSLeay are included.

Is this library also used by the PalmOS ssh client (top gun ssh)?
If true, that means i don't have to install the SSLeay lib if i already
installed a recent version of tgssh?

I think i've heard some discussions before about enhancing the entropy
generator in gnukeyring. Was that change included in 1.2?

-- 
Florin Andrei

"I'm only arguing against stupid people who think they need a revolution
to improve - most real improvements are evolutionary." - Linus Torvalds

[gnukeyring-discuss] Keyring 1.2 released

[Jochen H. <Hoe...@In...>]

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A new stable version of Keyring is out:

Keyring for PalmOS 1.2

Copyright 1999-2002 The GNU Keyring Sourceforge Team

  http://gnukeyring.sourceforge.net/download.html

Changes from 1.1:

 * Support PalmOS global Find.

 * Support pronounceable passwords conforming to the FIPS 181
   Automated Password Generator Standard

 * Support interactive search for a key name on list form.

 * Keyedit form is left on auto off if the timeout has also expired.
   Code works for all supported PalmOS versions.

 * Use pilotSSLeay for encryption, which is a bit faster than 
   the PalmOS builtin encryption.  The binaries from
   pilotSSLeay are included.

 * The last-modified-date is back again.

 * Support larger notes, up to 32000 characters.

Files may be downloaded from:

  https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=306

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