Jdla: I'll reply here to keep the discussion in the right thread. I am the one who contacted you about the security question page bypass. I haven't had reason to sign up for an account here, so I'm just posting as guest. Unfortunately I am also very busy. I did a quick capture last week, but the results were definitely odd. I did not see the values of some of the variables in the source code, so I assume they added some obscure functions to generate them. If I have time to look into it further I will post here. If I try to make something work it will probably be in LWP, but from there converting it back to curl should be easy enough.
-E
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an user - not sure if he wants to be named - has found a suitable patch. I'm testing and incorporating but I assume that basic functionality can be restored by today or tomorrow. Stay tuned,
Jos
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At this moment the CVS head contains a version that should fix.
If you guys can let me know if things are working properly ? Then I will make a release as well.
Jos
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Jos, it is good to hear from you again. I was getting a little worried there...
The version in CVS seems to not be deleting messages, and they remain in their original folders:
Logging in.
Got MainPage.
Processing folder Inbox for abcxyz123.
Loading folder 'Inbox'.
1 Messages.
Wide character in print at GetLive.pl line 314.
Wide character in print at GetLive.pl line 316.
Handling mail
from : 'abcxyz123@hotmail.com'
subject : 'Test'
Getting email message.
Sending mail to '/usr/bin/procmail'.
Deleting email message.
Done.
All done.
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Great news on the fix and inclusion of the extra security questions workaround. So far it seems to be working and moving to a different folder as expected. However, I am seeing the "wide character" errors just like the poster below. It seems to be cosmetic, so I will report back after running through a number of accounts to let you know if I see any errors.
-E
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We probably have to structure this a bit in order to make sense of it and to converge further to a better release.
1. The "wide character" is next to sure purely cosmetic and a consequence of changing an internal "UnescapeHtml" function by a GPL compatible one for inclusion into Debian. My assumption it's only generated at screen output and further has no consequence whatsoever. If you could confirm ?
(I will look into a way of suppressing it, but this is clearly low priority).
2. For accounts that did *not* switch to the "always use https" mode, I expect everything to work. I.e. deleting, moving etc. Frankly spoken, I couldn't check though. So when reporting, could you indicate if you are in this mode or not ?
3. For accounts that did switch to "always use https", I expect only the retrieving to work. That's in fact an issue that is existing already some months and it isn't solved by this release. It's an open issue how to solve in fact ...
If you could report back with reference to above ?
Thanks for all help !
(*) Over here we are still in the mode that "hey guys" can be safely interpreted as being gender neutral. So if women are active on this forum, it is meant to address them equally.
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I am still having problems where messages are not getting deleted.
I just created a brand new test account as well, made sure that "Don't use HTTPS when I sign in to Hotmail" is selected, and messages are not getting deleted.
Previously, I thought it might be related to the POP options since I temporarily switched to fetchmail (Options-->Managing your account-->POP and deleting downloaded messages-->Do what my other program says-if it says to delete messages, then delete them.), but I tried both options, and I'm still having this issue.
Hope this helps.
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GetLive $Revision: 2.19 $ Copyright (C)2007-2010 Jos De Laender.
GetLive comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file License for details.
$Name: $
$Id: GetLive.pl,v 2.19 2012/07/31 19:39:53 jdla Exp $
Running at Thu Aug 2 17:02:07 2012
Logging in.
Got MainPage.
Processing folder Inbox for abcxyz123.
Loading folder 'Inbox'.
1 Messages.
Wide character in print at GetLive.pl line 316.
Wide character in print at GetLive.pl line 318.
Handling mail
from : 'member_services@live.com'
subject : 'Getting started with Hotmail'
Getting email message.
Sending mail to '/usr/bin/procmail'.
Deleting email message.
Done.
All done.
GetLive $Revision: 2.19 $ Copyright (C)2007-2010 Jos De Laender.
GetLive comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file License for details.
$Name: $
$Id: GetLive.pl,v 2.19 2012/07/31 19:39:53 jdla Exp $
Running at Thu Aug 2 17:02:14 2012
Logging in.
Got MainPage.
Processing folder Inbox for abcxyz123.
Loading folder 'Inbox'.
1 Messages.
Wide character in print at GetLive.pl line 316.
Wide character in print at GetLive.pl line 318.
Handling mail
from : 'member_services@live.com'
subject : 'Getting started with Hotmail'
Getting email message.
Sending mail to '/usr/bin/procmail'.
Deleting email message.
Done.
All done.
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And can you describe what's the issue with this ? Messages are marked read ? I guess that's the consequence of the (not working yet) delete. Or what ?
(I'm not claiming there are no issues, there are, but I'm trying to structure asap in clearly identified manageable pieces. And I guess the mark-read is a non-issue ..)
Jos
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Thanks for confirming.
This narrows a bit the tree of issues I should find some time for to solve ;)
Please note that it was also confirmed that "MoveToFolder = Deleted" does work. That should be for sure a viable option for the time being.
Jos
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After hotmail change to outlook (Options -> Upgrade to Outlook.com) I have this:
GetLive $Revision: 2.19 $ Copyright (C)2007-2010 Jos De Laender.
GetLive comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file License for details.
$Name: $
$Id: GetLive.pl,v 2.19 2012/07/31 19:39:53 jdla Exp $
Running at Tue Aug 21 18:00:01 2012
Logging in.
678: Could not detect NParameter.
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I believe - although I couldn't check here yet - that upgrade to outlook.com will render GetLive useless. I estimate the chances that the screenscraping approach of GetLive still will work next to zero. Probably a totally new approach/program will be needed , if feasible at all.
Won't outlook.com have imap access as alternative ?
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Using a POP client for Hotmail is painful; there are frequent miscellaneous errors, timeouts, and occasional endless loops caused by improperly deleted retrieved messages.
Also, obviously, there is no access to non-inbox folders with POP.
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I'm trying to frame a bit what effort I could/should spend in order to keep this operational.
Jos
By the way, outlook.com is not available here yet, at least not as an upgrade from hotmail. So I'm not yet able to assess the impact of it. But having read about it I understood it is completely new and thus GetLive is probably worthless for it. Don't upgrade too fast if you want to rely on GetLive.
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I've been getting the same errors for the past two days, except on line 610.
610: Page doesn't contain var srf_uPost in the expected place.
610: Page doesn't contain var srf_uPost in the expected place.
I am getting the same errors on all of my accounts. It started out intermittently several days ago on some accounts, but now all of them are affected.
Confirmed, but clueless for the moment.
Anyone something somehow working till the point of login ?
Jdla: I'll reply here to keep the discussion in the right thread. I am the one who contacted you about the security question page bypass. I haven't had reason to sign up for an account here, so I'm just posting as guest. Unfortunately I am also very busy. I did a quick capture last week, but the results were definitely odd. I did not see the values of some of the variables in the source code, so I assume they added some obscure functions to generate them. If I have time to look into it further I will post here. If I try to make something work it will probably be in LWP, but from there converting it back to curl should be easy enough.
-E
Dear all,
an user - not sure if he wants to be named - has found a suitable patch. I'm testing and incorporating but I assume that basic functionality can be restored by today or tomorrow. Stay tuned,
Jos
At this moment the CVS head contains a version that should fix.
If you guys can let me know if things are working properly ? Then I will make a release as well.
Jos
Jos, it is good to hear from you again. I was getting a little worried there...
The version in CVS seems to not be deleting messages, and they remain in their original folders:
Logging in.
Got MainPage.
Processing folder Inbox for abcxyz123.
Loading folder 'Inbox'.
1 Messages.
Wide character in print at GetLive.pl line 314.
Wide character in print at GetLive.pl line 316.
Handling mail
from : 'abcxyz123@hotmail.com'
subject : 'Test'
Getting email message.
Sending mail to '/usr/bin/procmail'.
Deleting email message.
Done.
All done.
Great news on the fix and inclusion of the extra security questions workaround. So far it seems to be working and moving to a different folder as expected. However, I am seeing the "wide character" errors just like the poster below. It seems to be cosmetic, so I will report back after running through a number of accounts to let you know if I see any errors.
-E
For me, messages are not getting deleted (Inbox, Junk, etc.), though they are getting retrieved.
Hey guys (*)
We probably have to structure this a bit in order to make sense of it and to converge further to a better release.
1. The "wide character" is next to sure purely cosmetic and a consequence of changing an internal "UnescapeHtml" function by a GPL compatible one for inclusion into Debian. My assumption it's only generated at screen output and further has no consequence whatsoever. If you could confirm ?
(I will look into a way of suppressing it, but this is clearly low priority).
2. For accounts that did *not* switch to the "always use https" mode, I expect everything to work. I.e. deleting, moving etc. Frankly spoken, I couldn't check though. So when reporting, could you indicate if you are in this mode or not ?
3. For accounts that did switch to "always use https", I expect only the retrieving to work. That's in fact an issue that is existing already some months and it isn't solved by this release. It's an open issue how to solve in fact ...
If you could report back with reference to above ?
Thanks for all help !
(*) Over here we are still in the mode that "hey guys" can be safely interpreted as being gender neutral. So if women are active on this forum, it is meant to address them equally.
Jos,
I am still having problems where messages are not getting deleted.
I just created a brand new test account as well, made sure that "Don't use HTTPS when I sign in to Hotmail" is selected, and messages are not getting deleted.
Previously, I thought it might be related to the POP options since I temporarily switched to fetchmail (Options-->Managing your account-->POP and deleting downloaded messages-->Do what my other program says-if it says to delete messages, then delete them.), but I tried both options, and I'm still having this issue.
Hope this helps.
Update to 2012-08-01 17:37:34 PDT:
This works:
MoveToFolder = Deleted
This still doesn't work:
Delete = Yes
Another update to 2012-08-01 17:37:34 PDT:
Messages are getting marked as read, even if this is not specified.
@ "messages are getting marked as read, even if not specified".
I'm pretty confident this is not the case. Can you specify under which conditions, if at all, you encounter this. Or can someone confirm.
On none of my accounts I see this issue.
@Jos:
Here is my vanilla config file for a brand new account, just created yesterday:
UserName = abcxyz123
Password = topsecret
Domain = hotmail.com
Folder = Inbox
Delete = Yes
=================================Run #1=================================
% GetLive.pl --config-file abcxyz123
GetLive $Revision: 2.19 $ Copyright (C)2007-2010 Jos De Laender.
GetLive comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file License for details.
$Name: $
$Id: GetLive.pl,v 2.19 2012/07/31 19:39:53 jdla Exp $
Running at Thu Aug 2 17:02:07 2012
Logging in.
Got MainPage.
Processing folder Inbox for abcxyz123.
Loading folder 'Inbox'.
1 Messages.
Wide character in print at GetLive.pl line 316.
Wide character in print at GetLive.pl line 318.
Handling mail
from : 'member_services@live.com'
subject : 'Getting started with Hotmail'
Getting email message.
Sending mail to '/usr/bin/procmail'.
Deleting email message.
Done.
All done.
=================================Run #2=================================
% GetLive.pl --config-file abcxyz123
GetLive $Revision: 2.19 $ Copyright (C)2007-2010 Jos De Laender.
GetLive comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file License for details.
$Name: $
$Id: GetLive.pl,v 2.19 2012/07/31 19:39:53 jdla Exp $
Running at Thu Aug 2 17:02:14 2012
Logging in.
Got MainPage.
Processing folder Inbox for abcxyz123.
Loading folder 'Inbox'.
1 Messages.
Wide character in print at GetLive.pl line 316.
Wide character in print at GetLive.pl line 318.
Handling mail
from : 'member_services@live.com'
subject : 'Getting started with Hotmail'
Getting email message.
Sending mail to '/usr/bin/procmail'.
Deleting email message.
Done.
All done.
And can you describe what's the issue with this ? Messages are marked read ? I guess that's the consequence of the (not working yet) delete. Or what ?
(I'm not claiming there are no issues, there are, but I'm trying to structure asap in clearly identified manageable pieces. And I guess the mark-read is a non-issue ..)
Jos
@Jos:
Sorry for not being more clear.
I am experiencing two problems:
1. Messages are not being deleted, and
2. Messages are also marked as being read.
Brand new test account, latest version of CVS, vanilla config file.
I think
1. has been confirmed.
2. I doubt : I suspect it to be an artefact of the non-succeeded deletion. Ie if you set Delete to No I guess that problem will be gone as well.
Jos
@Jos:
2. Correct, if I set Delete = No, then the message doesn't get marked as read.
Thanks for confirming.
This narrows a bit the tree of issues I should find some time for to solve ;)
Please note that it was also confirmed that "MoveToFolder = Deleted" does work. That should be for sure a viable option for the time being.
Jos
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Hi,
Nice job, Jos!!!
After hotmail change to outlook (Options -> Upgrade to Outlook.com) I have this:
GetLive $Revision: 2.19 $ Copyright (C)2007-2010 Jos De Laender.
GetLive comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file License for details.
$Name: $
$Id: GetLive.pl,v 2.19 2012/07/31 19:39:53 jdla Exp $
Running at Tue Aug 21 18:00:01 2012
Logging in.
678: Could not detect NParameter.
I believe - although I couldn't check here yet - that upgrade to outlook.com will render GetLive useless. I estimate the chances that the screenscraping approach of GetLive still will work next to zero. Probably a totally new approach/program will be needed , if feasible at all.
Won't outlook.com have imap access as alternative ?
According to this comparison chart, both Outlook and Hotmail do not/will not have IMAP access:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/outlook/compare
Using a POP client for Hotmail is painful; there are frequent miscellaneous errors, timeouts, and occasional endless loops caused by improperly deleted retrieved messages.
Also, obviously, there is no access to non-inbox folders with POP.
Can all following this also have a look and respond to :
https://sourceforge.net/projects/getlive/forums/forum/686670/topic/5590782
I'm trying to frame a bit what effort I could/should spend in order to keep this operational.
Jos
By the way, outlook.com is not available here yet, at least not as an upgrade from hotmail. So I'm not yet able to assess the impact of it. But having read about it I understood it is completely new and thus GetLive is probably worthless for it. Don't upgrade too fast if you want to rely on GetLive.