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Re: [Freemind-developer] 0.8.1 min Java included
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From: Ray B. <ray...@co...> - 2008-02-18 20:28:49
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There is a group that answers such questions, www.gnu.org. They wrote the GPL. You might also be able to ask at Groklaw.net. Ray Dan Polansky wrote: > Dear Chris, > > okay; I will create the exe in any case, regardless of the opened > licensing issue. This I will do no sooner than on the coming weekend. > > But as regards licensing, IMHO we should proceed in a risk-averse way, > and consider such a bundling a license violation, unless clearly > demonstrated otherwise. My concern is not that we violate Sun's > license; my concern is that we violate FreeMind's GNU GPL. > > I prefer hard facts to speculation. And I prefer to rely on the > thought and experience of a multitude of other people, those who are > experienced or if possible expert, if available. Do you know of any > other open source software licensed under GNU GPL that contains Java > bundled? > > I understand that FreeMind needs Java. FreeMind also needs an > operating system, some of which are proprietary. The key point is > *bundling*, not *need*, from what I understand. > > Best regards, > Dan > > > On Feb 18, 2008 8:25 PM, Christian Foltin (GMX) > <chr...@gm... <mailto:chr...@gm...>> wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > beside the licensing, do you still create the .exe for me? The > packaging needs some time to be created. > Moreover, remember, that every user of FreeMind needs Java to > execute FreeMind. > And it is only the question, if we are allowed to package and > distribute the java with our proprietary program. > We can' t claim, that the result is GPL (at least not for java > 5+6, java7 is gpl, but not available AFAIK). > > Perhaps, consider > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ > > Best regards, Chris > > Dan Polansky schrieb: >> Dear Chris, >> >> I think it should be possible for me to make it tomorrow to >> produce a version of FreeMind.exe that takes the Java runtime >> from a specific directory. >> >> But what I see as an issue is the licensing of Java runtime. >> Though I have already devoted some attention to copyright issues, >> I am still a non-expert. FreeMind is licensed under GNU GPL; >> bundling with it something that has not an open source license >> seems highly risky of copyright violation. >> >> Unless we have a clear evidence that there are no licensing >> issues, we should avoid bundling with FreeMind anything without a >> license compatible with GNU GPL. >> >> Best regards, >> Dan >> >> >> On Feb 16, 2008 10:41 PM, Christian Foltin (GMX) >> <chr...@gm... <mailto:chr...@gm...>> wrote: >> >> Dear Dan, >> >> this will cost you at least a couple of beer ;-) >> >> Dan, I want to publish an installer version including the >> java runtime: >> FreeMind-0-8-1-max-Java-included, too. What do you think? >> From the license of the runtime, it should be possible (see >> below). >> >> >> I would need your help in creating a freemind.exe that takes >> a java.exe >> from a subdirectory jre/bin/java.exe. >> Can you supply such an exe, soon? >> >> Regards, >> >> Chris >> >> >> ======================================================================= >> Redistribution of the J2SE Runtime Environment >> ======================================================================= >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> NOTE - The license for this software does not allow the >> redistribution of beta and other pre-release versions. >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Subject to the terms and conditions of the Software License >> Agreement and the obligations, restrictions, and exceptions set >> forth below, You may reproduce and distribute the Software (and >> also portions of Software identified below as Redistributable), >> provided that: >> >> (a) you distribute the Software complete and unmodified and only >> bundled as part of Your applets and applications ("Programs"), >> >> (b) your Programs add significant and primary functionality >> to the >> Software, >> >> (c) your Programs are only intended to run on Java-enabled >> general >> purpose desktop computers and servers, >> >> (d) you distribute Software for the sole purpose of running your >> Programs, >> >> (e) you do not distribute additional software intended to replace >> any component(s) of the Software, >> >> (f) you do not remove or alter any proprietary legends or notices >> contained in or on the Software, >> >> (g) you only distribute the Software subject to a license >> agreement >> that protects Sun's interests consistent with the terms >> contained in this Agreement, and >> >> (h) you agree to defend and indemnify Sun and its licensors from >> and against any damages, costs, liabilities, settlement >> amounts >> and/or expenses (including attorneys' fees) incurred in >> connection with any claim, lawsuit or action by any third >> party >> that arises or results from the use or distribution of any and >> all Programs and/or Software. >> >> The term "vendors" used here refers to licensees, developers, and >> independent software vendors (ISVs) who license and >> distribute the >> J2SE Runtime Environment with their programs. >> >> Vendors must follow the terms of the J2SE Runtime Environment >> Binary >> Code License agreement. >> >> >> Dan Polansky schrieb: >> > Dear Chris, >> > >> > shame and blame on me. I have now noticed that the wrong >> copyright >> > notice also appears in the about box of FreeMind, >> accessible from the >> > menu Help > About. >> > >> > Could you please also correct all the things there, including: >> > (a) Year range, >> > (b) Copyright mark (see also the 0.9.0 series for how to >> enter the >> > proper copyright mark) >> > (c) The list of major contributors. >> > >> > I do not know how to compensate you for this additional work, >> > resulting from my inattentive previous review. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > Dan >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. 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