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From: Kevin <ke...@dr...> - 2006-08-15 23:20:51
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> On 8/15/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: >> Some more refactoring going on - so things may be broken from the >> snapshots for a couple of days. > > No problem. I'll check it again when it's done. I touched that last, I'll look into it. --=20 Kevin |
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From: Miles B. <mil...@gm...> - 2006-08-15 22:59:23
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On 8/15/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: > Some more refactoring going on - so things may be broken from the > snapshots for a couple of days. No problem. I'll check it again when it's done. :) -Miles |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2006-08-15 22:56:08
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Some more refactoring going on - so things may be broken from the snapshots for a couple of days. On 8/15/06, Miles Beck <mil...@gm...> wrote: > I installed the 0815 snapshot and receive the below error when I click > on the following links while in Framed view. "View new items", "View > saved items", "View today's items", and > "full view". The below error also occurs when clicking on a feed name > in Framed view. I turned on debugging and it did not come up with an > additional detail. > > Fatal error: Call to undefined function: fof_view_title() in > /var/www/fofreduxtest/view.php on line 70 > > -Miles > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: Miles B. <mil...@gm...> - 2006-08-15 22:39:12
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I installed the 0815 snapshot and receive the below error when I click on the following links while in Framed view. "View new items", "View saved items", "View today's items", and "full view". The below error also occurs when clicking on a feed name in Framed view. I turned on debugging and it did not come up with an additional detail. Fatal error: Call to undefined function: fof_view_title() in /var/www/fofreduxtest/view.php on line 70 -Miles |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2006-08-15 21:25:23
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On 8/15/06, Khaled Abou Alfa <kha...@gm...> wrote: > Regarding the design issues, we're honestly nearly there which is > absolutely amazing. The points I've made are just tweaks here and there > to tighten everything up really. Agreed. Are you going to take care of the design tweaks and check them back in? They should just be CSS file changes mostly. > I will sort out the icons and send them later on this evening as well. > > > Usability 1: > 1.1 When you login you're in the Frame View rather than the admin > section - We've discussed this before just putting it down on the list > effectively) > > 1.2 When you hover over one of the feed items in the list of feed names > on the left hand side should change to a light blue colour. This > effectively tells the user exactly where they are. It's a great visual > aid that makes things simpler to use. > I know how to do this if it's a list however I'm finding it a bit > difficult getting that effect with the current code. Any ideas? Just add :hover with the structure path in the CSS. It would be actually nice to convert the feed list into a list anyways - tables were just easier for right now :p > 1.3 Getting rid of the frame borders. Now I have personally gotten rid > of them on my install. Of course the problem with this however is that > you don't have the flexibility to change the sizes as you please. I > understand this isn't great, however what's good is that even for really > large feed names they wrap around so even if we did fix the width I > don't think it would render things unusable or anything like that, just > not as flexible. Thoughts? Frameset will be replaced with CSS overflow. One option would be to make the size of the sidebar user-overridable. > > 1.4 I was thinking that it would great if when you click refresh views > the screen goes dark and an animation starts as a visual indicator to > the user that things are happily going along in the background (for an > example check my site, under www.brokenkode.com/illustration > Well, I'm thinking that when Ajax'd - update will dynamically update feed # and add items. What do you think? The syncronycity of FoFRedux is my one problem with it vs. a desktop browser. Being able to still read & mark items while there is an update would be very nice. > > Design 2 - This is mainly to have a list of things that we need to sort > out so please add as you see more items that I might have missed: Agreed that all these changes are good. -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: Khaled A. A. <kha...@gm...> - 2006-08-15 20:55:07
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Hey all, As I've been using the last design for a couple of days now I've had some time to truly appreciate all the ins and outs of the new interface and I just want to post some thoughts that I'd like to see if we can implement them for the upcoming 0.4 release. I've separated things into design and usability so that we can discuss the usability issues more. Regarding the design issues, we're honestly nearly there which is absolutely amazing. The points I've made are just tweaks here and there to tighten everything up really. I will sort out the icons and send them later on this evening as well. Usability 1: 1.1 When you login you're in the Frame View rather than the admin section - We've discussed this before just putting it down on the list effectively) 1.2 When you hover over one of the feed items in the list of feed names on the left hand side should change to a light blue colour. This effectively tells the user exactly where they are. It's a great visual aid that makes things simpler to use. I know how to do this if it's a list however I'm finding it a bit difficult getting that effect with the current code. Any ideas? 1.3 Getting rid of the frame borders. Now I have personally gotten rid of them on my install. Of course the problem with this however is that you don't have the flexibility to change the sizes as you please. I understand this isn't great, however what's good is that even for really large feed names they wrap around so even if we did fix the width I don't think it would render things unusable or anything like that, just not as flexible. Thoughts? 1.4 I was thinking that it would great if when you click refresh views the screen goes dark and an animation starts as a visual indicator to the user that things are happily going along in the background (for an example check my site, under www.brokenkode.com/illustration Design 2 - This is mainly to have a list of things that we need to sort out so please add as you see more items that I might have missed: 2.1 The login page shouldn't have both header and footer with the FOFR logo. Should be just the top one. 2.2 Logo to be aligned with the words login, password and forgot your password? 2.3 The line above 'Forgot Password' should be png with white and dark grey rather than black line. 2.4 The header frame should be a set value rather than a percentage. On smaller screens this seems to get smaller and cuts off some of the other options, such as view new items etc. Mockups show this at 62px. 2.5 Main navigation (ie feeds, category, tags, flag) should align with the text in the feeds list. 2.6 # new items - should show the total number of new items. 2.7 Inclusion of Favicons and the default when there is no favicon available 2.8 Secondary navigation (view new items, view saved items) should be on the right hand side). 2.9 Mark as read should be moved from the entire feed list (ie you mark an entire website with all it's feeds as read) and moved to the individual items so that they can be marked as read as individual items. Option in the right hand frame to mark all the items in that particular website feed as read (located in the frame's navigation). 2.10 Greys in the feed reader itself is slightly too dark. The greys should be as follows: Darkest Grey: #383838 Dark Grey: #565656 Light Grey: #f8f8f8 Medium Grey: #e5e5e5 First two are fine, just need to sort out the bottom two. 2.11 Icons for the arrows for the elements for marking items read in the frame navigation. 2.12 Bottom frame with FOFRedux footer to be added to all the way through. Currently this is not present in the Framed View. Also in the admin section the FOFRedux footer is shown at the bottom of the page in the middle of the actual page. 2.13 Add feed section to be aligned with the rest of the actual page elements on the left hand side so that they go down in a straight line. 2.14 Feed name, banner to be outside the darkest grey bar. Also the categories bar apart from the first do not show up. 2.15 Lines under the Add Feed and a new Edit Feed header to be added to the admin section to distinguish between the two sections. Khaled Abou Alfa www.brokenkode.com |
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From: Kevin <ke...@dr...> - 2006-08-14 00:41:54
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I found a useful mozilla/firefox extension: HTML validator. It validates the page you are looking at and gives useful feedback on where the problems are and how to fix them. Every FOFR page I loaded had at least a few validation errors. This is very useful because it is super easy. Just look at the icon: green = good, yellow = bad. http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/ -Kevin |
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From: Miles B. <mil...@gm...> - 2006-08-10 16:01:04
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On 8/7/06, Kevin <ke...@dr...> wrote: > So the problem is, the non-framed feed list does not include per-feed item statistics. (# of > total / unread / saved items) > ISTR talk of having the ability to hide the feed list (left frame) in the > framed view as a compromise between the framed vs. non-framed camps. Why not just have two distinct views like we have in 0.3? On 8/7/06, khaled Abou Alfa <bro...@gm...> wrote: > I thought that was always the way we were going to play it. Ideally the USER > gets to choose which view they would like best, as I can't stand the full > view. Too much information to digest in one time. Is this possible? Could we get a consensus on how "full view" is going to work? I want to add to the "full view" bug that is already there for the items that are missing. (per-feed item statistics. (# of total / unread / saved items) Hopefully "full view" will be equivalent to "panel view" in the new UI. > Also I would imagine that the we would have the full view or the framed view as the > first thing the user sees rather than enter the admin panel? I agree on this. I think this is just a fine tune thing. |
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From: Evan B <ev...@at...> - 2006-08-09 22:25:57
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Awesome. I didn't even know that functionality was in there; I don't do development on sf.net that much. Thanks for the heads up. e On 8/9/06, Miles Beck <mil...@gm...> wrote: > On 8/9/06, Evan B <ev...@at...> wrote: > > I'd really like to continue my bug testing, but I need someone to > > please update the package on the SF.net page with an alpha(?) package > > that contains the new interface. I never could quite figure SVN out to > > check out the correct set of files myself :(. > > > > e > > You should be able to download a daily snapshot from this address: > > http://fofredux.sourceforge.net/snapshots/ > > That's what I use. I just check it for changes using this link: > > http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/fofredux/fofredux/trunk/?sortby=date#dirlist > > and then download the latest snapshot. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > |
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From: Miles B. <mil...@gm...> - 2006-08-09 20:45:09
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On 8/9/06, Evan B <ev...@at...> wrote: > I'd really like to continue my bug testing, but I need someone to > please update the package on the SF.net page with an alpha(?) package > that contains the new interface. I never could quite figure SVN out to > check out the correct set of files myself :(. > > e You should be able to download a daily snapshot from this address: http://fofredux.sourceforge.net/snapshots/ That's what I use. I just check it for changes using this link: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/fofredux/fofredux/trunk/?sortby=date#dirlist and then download the latest snapshot. |
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From: Evan B <ev...@at...> - 2006-08-09 20:36:12
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I'd really like to continue my bug testing, but I need someone to please update the package on the SF.net page with an alpha(?) package that contains the new interface. I never could quite figure SVN out to check out the correct set of files myself :(. e On 8/9/06, Khaled Abou Alfa <kha...@gm...> wrote: > Just really wanted to say, WOW!!! Walker/Andrew you guys have really > delivered BIG TIME. I've got to say that I haven't enjoyed reading my > feeds as I just did, experiencing the full deal with the redesign. I'm > BEYOND impressed. The changes to filter through are minor and you guys > ROCK in more ways than I can describe. > > I'm actually going to be good and not SHOUT about this to EVERYONE until > we're a bit more ready but this is easily one of the coolest things I've > been a part of this year and I really needed something to lift my > spirits up right now as it's been a seriously tough month for me, so > thank you gents for bringing the designs to life. > > I will make sure I go through all the things and write a massive list of > to-do and questions of what we all think we should do to get the ball > rolling for the latest release. > > Amazing stuff. > > Khaled > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > |
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From: Khaled A. A. <kha...@gm...> - 2006-08-09 17:52:26
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Just really wanted to say, WOW!!! Walker/Andrew you guys have really delivered BIG TIME. I've got to say that I haven't enjoyed reading my feeds as I just did, experiencing the full deal with the redesign. I'm BEYOND impressed. The changes to filter through are minor and you guys ROCK in more ways than I can describe. I'm actually going to be good and not SHOUT about this to EVERYONE until we're a bit more ready but this is easily one of the coolest things I've been a part of this year and I really needed something to lift my spirits up right now as it's been a seriously tough month for me, so thank you gents for bringing the designs to life. I will make sure I go through all the things and write a massive list of to-do and questions of what we all think we should do to get the ball rolling for the latest release. Amazing stuff. Khaled |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2006-08-09 13:03:40
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Sorry about that - I should have specified that this is all on the SVN trunk. I decided to make the entire code more stable and just put it on Trunk to prevent to much merge over from a branch. Kevin is too busy with making bug fixes all the time. :) Khaled & others - let us know if checking out of Head doesn't work for you. Sorry again for the confusion. Andrew On 8/9/06, Kevin <ke...@dr...> wrote: > khaled Abou Alfa wrote: > > Okay that's DEFINITELY not what I've got going here :). That looks > > brilliant!!! Erm...hang on a minute which folder should I be taking > > the above from? I think I got the files from the UIDesign folder or > > something along those lines. > > > > Could you possibly send through the latest files for me because I've > > obviously not got the proper SVN folder? Is it too much hassle as a > > zip or something like that? > > > My copy looks the same as Andrew's screenshots. You should be using > the trunk directory in the repository. > (https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/fofredux/fofredux/trunk) If you > are not, your svn software should have a switch function to change URLs > for the working directory. > > Here are snapshots of trunk. Made fresh every morning. Get them while > they're hot! http://fofredux.sourceforge.net/snapshots/ > > -Kevin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: Kevin <ke...@dr...> - 2006-08-09 12:37:36
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khaled Abou Alfa wrote: > Okay that's DEFINITELY not what I've got going here :). That looks > brilliant!!! Erm...hang on a minute which folder should I be taking > the above from? I think I got the files from the UIDesign folder or > something along those lines. > > Could you possibly send through the latest files for me because I've > obviously not got the proper SVN folder? Is it too much hassle as a > zip or something like that? > My copy looks the same as Andrew's screenshots. You should be using the trunk directory in the repository. (https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/fofredux/fofredux/trunk) If you are not, your svn software should have a switch function to change URLs for the working directory. Here are snapshots of trunk. Made fresh every morning. Get them while they're hot! http://fofredux.sourceforge.net/snapshots/ -Kevin |
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From: khaled A. A. <bro...@gm...> - 2006-08-09 11:41:09
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Okay that's DEFINITELY not what I've got going here :). That looks brilliant!!! Erm...hang on a minute which folder should I be taking the above from? I think I got the files from the UIDesign folder or something along those lines. Could you possibly send through the latest files for me because I've obviously not got the proper SVN folder? Is it too much hassle as a zip or something like that? On 8/9/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: > > Thanks for the screenshot Khaled - this is not how it should look > currently. I may not have checked something in - though I don't see > anything missing. > What browser/OS are you using too? Maybe something in how the css > url's are being put together for the missing icons. And seems like > your feeds.php (sidebar) is old? > I've attached what I see in frames view. > > Also - what you are calling "Full View" is really the "Admin Panel". > > Andrew > > > On 8/9/06, Broken Kode <bro...@gm...> wrote: > > Yeah for some reason I don't get the odd even breakdown into the list in > > the feeds.php file. (see screenshot) > > > > It's strange but I can't see (from viewing the page source) how the odd > > even seperation occurs in the panel.php but that works for some strange > > reason. Is everyone else getting the same thing? > > (see screenshot) > > > > > > (You can also see the beginnings of putting it all together.) > > > > Regarding removing frame completely, this would mean that the way in > > which the programme is used is changed no? I mean that would mean > > scrolling would be different etc? I really like the structure of the > > frames it just feels like a natural way to deal with things to be > > honest. > > > > On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 22:01 -0400, Andrew Turner wrote: > > > We're agreed that there will be both a Full-width items, and > > > FeedList/Items view. > > > You can click on a feed name in the panel to view items in either > > > Full/'Frame' view > > > > > > In the past, the problem w/ the code was that Full and Frame had > > > diff't menu items, etc. which was the problem. Now that the menu items > > > will be the same, all is well. The only difference is that there *can* > > > be a left sidebar for feeds/categories/tags that when clicked will > > > change the items in the right-side. > > > > > > I would like to do away with the <frames> and instead implement the > > > "frames" view as a single page, with an optional: > > > > > > <div id="sidebar" style="overflow:auto;"> > > > feed 1 > > > feed 2 > > > ... > > > </div> > > > kind of listing. That would really be the only difference. That would > > > either show/hide either via PHP code, or via a Javascript show/hide > > > sidebar. > > > > > > Khaled - I don't think I know what you need for the alternating. (same > > > as Kevin's question). The rows do currently alternate color, and are > > > changed by <tr> and <tr class='even-row'>. Does that not work for you? > > > > > > Andrew > > > On 8/8/06, Broken Kode <bro...@gm...> wrote: > > > > TO kill this issue, I really don't see a problem with the exception > of > > > > what we decide is the DEFAULT. > > > > > > > > Full view or Framed view don't really differ in anything but the > > > > sidebar. However we can have that come in or out as part of an > option > > > > you click in the options bar. > > > > > > > > The difference in structure is effectively, for Framed View: > > > > > > > > <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" frameborder="0" > > > > > <frame src="menu.php?view=frames" name="controls" /> > > > > <frameset id="vframeset" cols="<?php echo $cols?>" frameborder="0" > > > > > <frame src="feeds.php?view=frames" name="menu" /> > > > > <frame src="view.php?view=frames" name="items" /> > > > > </frameset> > > > > </frameset> > > > > > > > > For Full view: > > > > > > > > <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" frameborder="0" > > > > > <frame src="menu.php?view=frames" name="controls" /> > > > > <frameset id="vframeset" cols="<?php echo $cols?>" frameborder="0" > > > > > <frame src="view.php?view=frames" name="items" /> > > > > </frameset> > > > > </frameset> > > > > > > > > > > > > We're effectively taking away one line. I honestly don't see much of > a > > > > problem here, with the exception of what we decide should be the > > > > default. I've voiced my opinion on this matter but I've been known > to be > > > > completely of base in the past so maybe we simply put it as a vote. > > > > > > > > As for what the categories and tags will look like, that's > effectively > > > > just like the framed view, but instead of the feed running down the > left > > > > hand side panel we have the category or tag. So if you want to read > > > > items regarding the design category you simply click on that, or > > > > whatever. Nothing too fancy to be honest. > > > > > > > > Final point, I just would like the feeds or categories or tags in > the > > > > left hand frame to have an odd or even nature so that we can have > the > > > > light grey/dark grey structure. If anyone can modify the existing > code > > > > from the panel.php file that would be great so that I can continue > > > > hacking and slicing :). > > > > > > > > Hope that all makes sense. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 16:01 -0700, Miles Beck wrote: > > > > > On 8/8/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: > > > > > > The sidebar can use javascript to show/hide the feeds sidebar, > and > > > > > > maybe fallback to "dual view" for non-javascript browsers. > > > > > > > > > > Does this mean that we will not have support for the panel view > like > > > > > it is in 0.3 (but with the new UI)? > > > > > > > > > > I'm not really sure what showing/hiding the feeds sidebar does for > us. > > > > > And if this is the compromise for the panel view. > > > > > > > > > > -Miles > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > > > > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > > > > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > > > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > > > > Fof...@li... > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > > > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > > > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > > > Fof...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Andrew Turner > ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W > http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > > |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2006-08-09 11:25:29
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Thanks for the screenshot Khaled - this is not how it should look currently. I may not have checked something in - though I don't see anything missing. What browser/OS are you using too? Maybe something in how the css url's are being put together for the missing icons. And seems like your feeds.php (sidebar) is old? I've attached what I see in frames view. Also - what you are calling "Full View" is really the "Admin Panel". Andrew On 8/9/06, Broken Kode <bro...@gm...> wrote: > Yeah for some reason I don't get the odd even breakdown into the list in > the feeds.php file. (see screenshot) > > It's strange but I can't see (from viewing the page source) how the odd > even seperation occurs in the panel.php but that works for some strange > reason. Is everyone else getting the same thing? > (see screenshot) > > > (You can also see the beginnings of putting it all together.) > > Regarding removing frame completely, this would mean that the way in > which the programme is used is changed no? I mean that would mean > scrolling would be different etc? I really like the structure of the > frames it just feels like a natural way to deal with things to be > honest. > > On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 22:01 -0400, Andrew Turner wrote: > > We're agreed that there will be both a Full-width items, and > > FeedList/Items view. > > You can click on a feed name in the panel to view items in either > > Full/'Frame' view > > > > In the past, the problem w/ the code was that Full and Frame had > > diff't menu items, etc. which was the problem. Now that the menu items > > will be the same, all is well. The only difference is that there *can* > > be a left sidebar for feeds/categories/tags that when clicked will > > change the items in the right-side. > > > > I would like to do away with the <frames> and instead implement the > > "frames" view as a single page, with an optional: > > > > <div id="sidebar" style="overflow:auto;"> > > feed 1 > > feed 2 > > ... > > </div> > > kind of listing. That would really be the only difference. That would > > either show/hide either via PHP code, or via a Javascript show/hide > > sidebar. > > > > Khaled - I don't think I know what you need for the alternating. (same > > as Kevin's question). The rows do currently alternate color, and are > > changed by <tr> and <tr class='even-row'>. Does that not work for you? > > > > Andrew > > On 8/8/06, Broken Kode <bro...@gm...> wrote: > > > TO kill this issue, I really don't see a problem with the exception of > > > what we decide is the DEFAULT. > > > > > > Full view or Framed view don't really differ in anything but the > > > sidebar. However we can have that come in or out as part of an option > > > you click in the options bar. > > > > > > The difference in structure is effectively, for Framed View: > > > > > > <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" frameborder="0" > > > > <frame src="menu.php?view=frames" name="controls" /> > > > <frameset id="vframeset" cols="<?php echo $cols?>" frameborder="0" > > > > <frame src="feeds.php?view=frames" name="menu" /> > > > <frame src="view.php?view=frames" name="items" /> > > > </frameset> > > > </frameset> > > > > > > For Full view: > > > > > > <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" frameborder="0" > > > > <frame src="menu.php?view=frames" name="controls" /> > > > <frameset id="vframeset" cols="<?php echo $cols?>" frameborder="0" > > > > <frame src="view.php?view=frames" name="items" /> > > > </frameset> > > > </frameset> > > > > > > > > > We're effectively taking away one line. I honestly don't see much of a > > > problem here, with the exception of what we decide should be the > > > default. I've voiced my opinion on this matter but I've been known to be > > > completely of base in the past so maybe we simply put it as a vote. > > > > > > As for what the categories and tags will look like, that's effectively > > > just like the framed view, but instead of the feed running down the left > > > hand side panel we have the category or tag. So if you want to read > > > items regarding the design category you simply click on that, or > > > whatever. Nothing too fancy to be honest. > > > > > > Final point, I just would like the feeds or categories or tags in the > > > left hand frame to have an odd or even nature so that we can have the > > > light grey/dark grey structure. If anyone can modify the existing code > > > from the panel.php file that would be great so that I can continue > > > hacking and slicing :). > > > > > > Hope that all makes sense. > > > > > > On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 16:01 -0700, Miles Beck wrote: > > > > On 8/8/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: > > > > > The sidebar can use javascript to show/hide the feeds sidebar, and > > > > > maybe fallback to "dual view" for non-javascript browsers. > > > > > > > > Does this mean that we will not have support for the panel view like > > > > it is in 0.3 (but with the new UI)? > > > > > > > > I'm not really sure what showing/hiding the feeds sidebar does for us. > > > > And if this is the compromise for the panel view. > > > > > > > > -Miles > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > > > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > > > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > > > Fof...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > > Fof...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > > > > > > > > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: Broken K. <bro...@gm...> - 2006-08-09 07:05:47
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Yeah for some reason I don't get the odd even breakdown into the list in the feeds.php file. (see screenshot) It's strange but I can't see (from viewing the page source) how the odd even seperation occurs in the panel.php but that works for some strange reason. Is everyone else getting the same thing? (see screenshot) (You can also see the beginnings of putting it all together.) Regarding removing frame completely, this would mean that the way in which the programme is used is changed no? I mean that would mean scrolling would be different etc? I really like the structure of the frames it just feels like a natural way to deal with things to be honest. On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 22:01 -0400, Andrew Turner wrote: > We're agreed that there will be both a Full-width items, and > FeedList/Items view. > You can click on a feed name in the panel to view items in either > Full/'Frame' view > > In the past, the problem w/ the code was that Full and Frame had > diff't menu items, etc. which was the problem. Now that the menu items > will be the same, all is well. The only difference is that there *can* > be a left sidebar for feeds/categories/tags that when clicked will > change the items in the right-side. > > I would like to do away with the <frames> and instead implement the > "frames" view as a single page, with an optional: > > <div id="sidebar" style="overflow:auto;"> > feed 1 > feed 2 > ... > </div> > kind of listing. That would really be the only difference. That would > either show/hide either via PHP code, or via a Javascript show/hide > sidebar. > > Khaled - I don't think I know what you need for the alternating. (same > as Kevin's question). The rows do currently alternate color, and are > changed by <tr> and <tr class='even-row'>. Does that not work for you? > > Andrew > On 8/8/06, Broken Kode <bro...@gm...> wrote: > > TO kill this issue, I really don't see a problem with the exception of > > what we decide is the DEFAULT. > > > > Full view or Framed view don't really differ in anything but the > > sidebar. However we can have that come in or out as part of an option > > you click in the options bar. > > > > The difference in structure is effectively, for Framed View: > > > > <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" frameborder="0" > > > <frame src="menu.php?view=frames" name="controls" /> > > <frameset id="vframeset" cols="<?php echo $cols?>" frameborder="0" > > > <frame src="feeds.php?view=frames" name="menu" /> > > <frame src="view.php?view=frames" name="items" /> > > </frameset> > > </frameset> > > > > For Full view: > > > > <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" frameborder="0" > > > <frame src="menu.php?view=frames" name="controls" /> > > <frameset id="vframeset" cols="<?php echo $cols?>" frameborder="0" > > > <frame src="view.php?view=frames" name="items" /> > > </frameset> > > </frameset> > > > > > > We're effectively taking away one line. I honestly don't see much of a > > problem here, with the exception of what we decide should be the > > default. I've voiced my opinion on this matter but I've been known to be > > completely of base in the past so maybe we simply put it as a vote. > > > > As for what the categories and tags will look like, that's effectively > > just like the framed view, but instead of the feed running down the left > > hand side panel we have the category or tag. So if you want to read > > items regarding the design category you simply click on that, or > > whatever. Nothing too fancy to be honest. > > > > Final point, I just would like the feeds or categories or tags in the > > left hand frame to have an odd or even nature so that we can have the > > light grey/dark grey structure. If anyone can modify the existing code > > from the panel.php file that would be great so that I can continue > > hacking and slicing :). > > > > Hope that all makes sense. > > > > On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 16:01 -0700, Miles Beck wrote: > > > On 8/8/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: > > > > The sidebar can use javascript to show/hide the feeds sidebar, and > > > > maybe fallback to "dual view" for non-javascript browsers. > > > > > > Does this mean that we will not have support for the panel view like > > > it is in 0.3 (but with the new UI)? > > > > > > I'm not really sure what showing/hiding the feeds sidebar does for us. > > > And if this is the compromise for the panel view. > > > > > > -Miles > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > > Fof...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > > _______________________________________________ > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > Fof...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > > |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2006-08-09 02:01:59
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We're agreed that there will be both a Full-width items, and FeedList/Items view. You can click on a feed name in the panel to view items in either Full/'Frame' view In the past, the problem w/ the code was that Full and Frame had diff't menu items, etc. which was the problem. Now that the menu items will be the same, all is well. The only difference is that there *can* be a left sidebar for feeds/categories/tags that when clicked will change the items in the right-side. I would like to do away with the <frames> and instead implement the "frames" view as a single page, with an optional: <div id="sidebar" style="overflow:auto;"> feed 1 feed 2 ... </div> kind of listing. That would really be the only difference. That would either show/hide either via PHP code, or via a Javascript show/hide sidebar. Khaled - I don't think I know what you need for the alternating. (same as Kevin's question). The rows do currently alternate color, and are changed by <tr> and <tr class='even-row'>. Does that not work for you? Andrew On 8/8/06, Broken Kode <bro...@gm...> wrote: > TO kill this issue, I really don't see a problem with the exception of > what we decide is the DEFAULT. > > Full view or Framed view don't really differ in anything but the > sidebar. However we can have that come in or out as part of an option > you click in the options bar. > > The difference in structure is effectively, for Framed View: > > <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" frameborder="0" > > <frame src="menu.php?view=frames" name="controls" /> > <frameset id="vframeset" cols="<?php echo $cols?>" frameborder="0" > > <frame src="feeds.php?view=frames" name="menu" /> > <frame src="view.php?view=frames" name="items" /> > </frameset> > </frameset> > > For Full view: > > <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" frameborder="0" > > <frame src="menu.php?view=frames" name="controls" /> > <frameset id="vframeset" cols="<?php echo $cols?>" frameborder="0" > > <frame src="view.php?view=frames" name="items" /> > </frameset> > </frameset> > > > We're effectively taking away one line. I honestly don't see much of a > problem here, with the exception of what we decide should be the > default. I've voiced my opinion on this matter but I've been known to be > completely of base in the past so maybe we simply put it as a vote. > > As for what the categories and tags will look like, that's effectively > just like the framed view, but instead of the feed running down the left > hand side panel we have the category or tag. So if you want to read > items regarding the design category you simply click on that, or > whatever. Nothing too fancy to be honest. > > Final point, I just would like the feeds or categories or tags in the > left hand frame to have an odd or even nature so that we can have the > light grey/dark grey structure. If anyone can modify the existing code > from the panel.php file that would be great so that I can continue > hacking and slicing :). > > Hope that all makes sense. > > On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 16:01 -0700, Miles Beck wrote: > > On 8/8/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: > > > The sidebar can use javascript to show/hide the feeds sidebar, and > > > maybe fallback to "dual view" for non-javascript browsers. > > > > Does this mean that we will not have support for the panel view like > > it is in 0.3 (but with the new UI)? > > > > I'm not really sure what showing/hiding the feeds sidebar does for us. > > And if this is the compromise for the panel view. > > > > -Miles > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > > _______________________________________________ > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > Fof...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: Broken K. <bro...@gm...> - 2006-08-08 23:46:08
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TO kill this issue, I really don't see a problem with the exception of what we decide is the DEFAULT. Full view or Framed view don't really differ in anything but the sidebar. However we can have that come in or out as part of an option you click in the options bar. The difference in structure is effectively, for Framed View: <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" frameborder="0" > <frame src="menu.php?view=frames" name="controls" /> <frameset id="vframeset" cols="<?php echo $cols?>" frameborder="0" > <frame src="feeds.php?view=frames" name="menu" /> <frame src="view.php?view=frames" name="items" /> </frameset> </frameset> For Full view: <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" frameborder="0" > <frame src="menu.php?view=frames" name="controls" /> <frameset id="vframeset" cols="<?php echo $cols?>" frameborder="0" > <frame src="view.php?view=frames" name="items" /> </frameset> </frameset> We're effectively taking away one line. I honestly don't see much of a problem here, with the exception of what we decide should be the default. I've voiced my opinion on this matter but I've been known to be completely of base in the past so maybe we simply put it as a vote. As for what the categories and tags will look like, that's effectively just like the framed view, but instead of the feed running down the left hand side panel we have the category or tag. So if you want to read items regarding the design category you simply click on that, or whatever. Nothing too fancy to be honest. Final point, I just would like the feeds or categories or tags in the left hand frame to have an odd or even nature so that we can have the light grey/dark grey structure. If anyone can modify the existing code from the panel.php file that would be great so that I can continue hacking and slicing :). Hope that all makes sense. On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 16:01 -0700, Miles Beck wrote: > On 8/8/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: > > The sidebar can use javascript to show/hide the feeds sidebar, and > > maybe fallback to "dual view" for non-javascript browsers. > > Does this mean that we will not have support for the panel view like > it is in 0.3 (but with the new UI)? > > I'm not really sure what showing/hiding the feeds sidebar does for us. > And if this is the compromise for the panel view. > > -Miles > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel |
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From: Miles B. <mil...@gm...> - 2006-08-08 23:01:34
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On 8/8/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: > The sidebar can use javascript to show/hide the feeds sidebar, and > maybe fallback to "dual view" for non-javascript browsers. Does this mean that we will not have support for the panel view like it is in 0.3 (but with the new UI)? I'm not really sure what showing/hiding the feeds sidebar does for us. And if this is the compromise for the panel view. -Miles |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2006-08-08 22:55:21
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To address the "Frame" issue in the future I would think we would move the sidebar and items with an overflow that will handle a scroll bar. Using the css overflow seems a much cleaner way to do "frames" - I just didn't get to doing that yet. I agree with Kevin that it's a pain to maintain frames/non-frames. And this is *after* they've been largely merged from the original FOF. The sidebar can use javascript to show/hide the feeds sidebar, and maybe fallback to "dual view" for non-javascript browsers. Andrew On 8/8/06, Broken Kode <bro...@gm...> wrote: > No worries I've sorted it out, just get rid of everything except > frameborder and it should all work no problems :). Carry one > everyone...except for that previous php question which I would be much > obliged if someone could take a stab at it. > > > On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 20:32 +0100, Khaled Abou Alfa wrote: > > Well it seems we can't be removing the borders from the framesets in a > > complaint manner. I've solved the manner (after a quick search) in this > > way: > > > > <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" border="0" > > framespacing="0" frameborder="0" > > > > > Anyone got any better ideas? Really annoying to be honest. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > > _______________________________________________ > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > Fof...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2006-08-08 22:48:22
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On 8/7/06, Kevin <ke...@dr...> wrote: > Andrew Turner wrote: > I think it looks great. I'm still learning where everything moved to. > I guess category and tag editing is not linked in yet? Correct -these are not linked in yet. There was never a design for these pages either. Khaled? ;) -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: Kevin <ke...@dr...> - 2006-08-08 22:04:42
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> For those keeping score at home I have actually begun implementing the > tweaks to the interface, and I've got to say that it's soooo exciting > seeing things take shape. (check out the bug list, please start adding > things as well so that I don't forget anything). > > However I need some help. I'm trying to get the feeds.php to follow the > different coloured backgrounds, however they're in a table and the way > this was done in panel.php was through the use of php rather than a lis= t > with odd and even elements. > > Could someone have a look into that and send it through to me so that I > can continue with my hacking :). I looked but need a little more to understand what you want to do. The php code assigns the class=3D"even-row" to all even rows (<tr> tag) in th= e table. The odd rows have no class assigned and just use the default tr style. Does an "odd-row" class need to be explicitly assigned to odd rows? --=20 Kevin |
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From: Broken K. <bro...@gm...> - 2006-08-08 19:47:27
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No worries I've sorted it out, just get rid of everything except frameborder and it should all work no problems :). Carry one everyone...except for that previous php question which I would be much obliged if someone could take a stab at it. On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 20:32 +0100, Khaled Abou Alfa wrote: > Well it seems we can't be removing the borders from the framesets in a > complaint manner. I've solved the manner (after a quick search) in this > way: > > <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" border="0" > framespacing="0" frameborder="0" > > > Anyone got any better ideas? Really annoying to be honest. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel |
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From: Khaled A. A. <kha...@gm...> - 2006-08-08 19:33:04
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Well it seems we can't be removing the borders from the framesets in a complaint manner. I've solved the manner (after a quick search) in this way: <frameset id="hframeset" rows="<?php echo $rows?>" border="0" framespacing="0" frameborder="0" > Anyone got any better ideas? Really annoying to be honest. |
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