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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2005-11-17 15:13:52
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On 11/17/05, Carlos Kozuszko <ck...@gm...> wrote: > > Oh my! Im checking the mail i've sent you last week where i've > supposedly attached a patch to solve that issue, justo to find that > there is no file attached. I'll send the patch tonight. I needed the > correct dates from the feeds in order to calc weekly word count > averages. Yes - the current CVS checkin doesn't have any of patches applied to it. Devs should now go through and add these patches, etc. and check back in. Once it's all ok with this initial release - we should announce on the FoF forums. > > >2) Categories are done on a 1 feed to 1 category mapping per > feed.However, I started to put in support for putting in a 1 feed can > havemany categories. This complicates a lot more of the code/sql > entries,so I held off for the time being. What do you think? > > Wouldn't tags solve the categories problem ? A feed could have > multiple tags, there wouldn't be the necessity of a father-child > relationship between them. > Sure - but what is the mechanism for "tags"? I don't think a general folksonomy is necessary helpful - may be. I guess one could pull in from del.icio.us or technorati, or whatever. However, I know I would like a quick means to flag items as I'm reading. My method of operation would be to quickly scan through all article titles/intros, flag the ones I want to read and mark the others as "read" (past tense). Then go back through and actually *read* (silly english language when typing - this may be confusing) the articles that I've flagged. Then I may want to add additional tags at that point for actual article "archival". To review my suggestion: 1) Update all feeds, load view/frames 2) scan through, pressing the "flag" button next to all articles I want to actually read 3) mark all articles that aren't "flagged" as "read" 4) review "flagged" articles and optionally apply tags 5) pull up articles by just "flagged" or by any single, or combination, of = tags 6) eventually be able to publish (aggregate) a feed (ergo "feed on feeds"?) of a certain tagged item. Andy -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: Carlos K. <ck...@gm...> - 2005-11-17 15:05:11
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ajturner said: > There are a couple of things I would appreciate some feedbackon:1) timest= amp in fof_update_feed doesn't actually do anything. Iattempted to have it = write the timestamp based on either the pubDate,or the dc:date fields in th= e field, but I couldn't get it to work and hoped one of you could figure it= out. Oh my! Im checking the mail i've sent you last week where i've supposedly attached a patch to solve that issue, justo to find that there is no file attached. I'll send the patch tonight. I needed the correct dates from the feeds in order to calc weekly word count averages. >2) Categories are done on a 1 feed to 1 category mapping per feed.However, I started to put in support for putting in a 1 feed can havemany categories. This complicates a lot more of the code/sql entries,so I held off for the time being. What do you think? Wouldn't tags solve the categories problem ? A feed could have multiple tags, there wouldn't be the necessity of a father-child relationship between them. Carlos. |
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From: Carlos K. <ck...@gm...> - 2005-11-17 14:53:15
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>As I mentioned to someone before (don't remember whom, Benjy perhaps),I want to setup newspaper layouts of feeds. That's something i'd really like to see! |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2005-11-17 04:32:08
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Great to hear from everyone - it really seems like we have a diverse and good team on board so far. In related news, I have wrapped up preliminary development of fofredux v0.2. There are a couple of things I would appreciate some feedback on: 1) timestamp in fof_update_feed doesn't actually do anything. I attempted to have it write the timestamp based on either the pubDate, or the dc:date fields in the field, but I couldn't get it to work and hoped one of you could figure it out. 2) Categories are done on a 1 feed to 1 category mapping per feed. However, I started to put in support for putting in a 1 feed can have many categories. This complicates a lot more of the code/sql entries, so I held off for the time being. What do you think? 3) Flagging was added as an int(4) field in the items table. However, what do you think the proper/most usable method would be, some set of bit fields, a enum, a 1 item to 1 flag (with flag table) or like categories a 1 item to many flags, therefore needed a flag table and a cross index table? 4) You may have noticed, I put up a quick logo at: http://fofredux.sourceforge.net/ what do you think about it, we could make the box with red and grey the "favicon" (with no writing). Andy -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA idealistic technocrat Photos - http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner Travel - http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/ |
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From: Kevin <ke...@dr...> - 2005-11-17 03:25:42
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I jumped in talking about deep implemenetation stuff before even
introducing myself... Well, here goes.
I'm Kevin Bennett and I've been using FoF as a user for about 3 months.
I stumbled upon it while looking for a more efficient alternative to
browsing the 10+ news/blog sites I frequent. I work for a rather large
network services company on their network management system. My
background is with backend systems, data processing, and db access and
optimization. So, if I'm a little less focused on the user experience,
look and feel, and GUI, I appologize. I have limited experience in
that. I'm willing to learn, though. I really like FoF/FofR and would
like to contribute in any way I can.
I really like the ideas that are floating around like tagging, and
gathering user read style preferences. If the app could learn how the
user reads and/or skips items, that will be useful to best sort future
items..
Best Regards,
Kevin
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2005-11-17 03:04:14
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As I mentioned to someone before (don't remember whom, Benjy perhaps), I want to setup newspaper layouts of feeds. For example, my weather RSS feed as a limit of 1 in the upper right-hand corner, local news RSS along the right-hand side. Tech, programming, design in the center, and political on the left, etc. So if you did "mood" layouts, I would imagine I would like to setup layouts for time of day. To illustrate, in the morning I would want the weather, traffic, European news, a morning comic strip. In the afternoon I may want US news, US Stocks, tomorrow's weather. In the evening I want light-hearted fare, BoingBoing oddities, perhaps an RSS fiction chapter (like Corey Doctorow's latest novel) Andy On 11/16/05, Carlos Kozuszko <ck...@gm...> wrote: > El Mi=E9rcoles, 16 de Noviembre de 2005 18:48, Benjamin Stewart escribi= =F3: > > * The keyboard shortcut navigation allows us to gather things like: > > - number of times this item was skipped over without action [1] > > - total time that this item had focus > > - and more > > > > * And my external viewer mode [2] lets you gather roughly the same data= , > > but could also track other user activity. > > That data would only be calculated correctly if the user uses the keyboar= d > interfase ? > > I've not thought about the "mood" feature, we could check if that would b= e > feasible to implement. Maybe a lot of data would need to be gathered to > implement it correctly. > > Other idea i have is to let the user assign priotities to each tag and > according to that and the reading time specified we could select which > entries shold be shown. > > Carlos. > > -- > Web Site: http://www.ckozus.com.ar > Blog: http://www.ckozus.com.ar/blog > Mis links: http://del.icio.us/ckozus > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today > Register for a JBoss Training Course. Free Certification Exam > for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005. For more info visit: > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv28&alloc_id=16845&opclick > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: Carlos K. <ck...@gm...> - 2005-11-17 02:31:53
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El Mi=E9rcoles, 16 de Noviembre de 2005 18:48, Benjamin Stewart escribi=F3: > * The keyboard shortcut navigation allows us to gather things like: > - number of times this item was skipped over without action [1] > - total time that this item had focus > - and more > > * And my external viewer mode [2] lets you gather roughly the same data, > but could also track other user activity. That data would only be calculated correctly if the user uses the keyboard= =20 interfase ? I've not thought about the "mood" feature, we could check if that would be= =20 feasible to implement. Maybe a lot of data would need to be gathered to=20 implement it correctly. Other idea i have is to let the user assign priotities to each tag and=20 according to that and the reading time specified we could select which=20 entries shold be shown. Carlos. =2D-=20 Web Site: http://www.ckozus.com.ar Blog: http://www.ckozus.com.ar/blog Mis links: http://del.icio.us/ckozus |
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From: Benjamin S. <bs...@cr...> - 2005-11-16 21:48:16
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 01:09:59AM -0300, Carlos Kozuszko wrote: > As I told to Andrew, my main interest at hacking fof is my concern about the > "reading time" a person assigns to his feeds. I've been working on > calculating words per posts averages, an statistics view and i plan to create > a view in which you can select "how much time" you want to read of your > unread items depending on your reading speed. Oh, actually I've also spent some time thinking about that, but the interface issues were more pressing in my initial hacks. Actually, several of my interface changes provide even more information gathering opportunities: * The keyboard shortcut navigation allows us to gather things like: - number of times this item was skipped over without action [1] - total time that this item had focus - and more * And my external viewer mode [2] lets you gather roughly the same data, but could also track other user activity. And then we can do things like correlate different "reading moods" with length of post, which is what it sounds like what you're thinking about, and from there we can have some controls to help the user select how he's in the mood to read... yeah. I like it. (obviously this is all just off the top of my head; it sounds like you've thought about it more.) [1] action = mark read, saved, tagged, SOMETHING [2] Think the frame from google images, but add controls for things like "next unread [in this feed?]," mark this item read, tag, etc... > I've also thought about tagging. What do you think about allowing the user to > tag each feed ? Im also thinking about the ability to show the del.icio.us > popularity for each item. It's possible we could use some combination of tagging + delicious to populate related articles, but I think some of the other stuff would be more unique and innovative. Especially some of the ideas about things we could do with metrics for optimizing reading / attention. On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 06:19:07AM -0500, Andrew Turner wrote: > An idea I had last night regarding back to the database updating. I > think we should retain database updates for major release changes. For > example, v0.2 will change the database, 0.21, 0.22, etc. will add new > features within the database layout. When we are ready for a database > change, we will bump to v0.3. At least this kind of numbering scheme > will minimize database changes by holding them off and making sure we > have what we want, and also easy to maintain the users' system (update > them from v0.3 to v0.4 of the db structure) This seems like a reasonable approach, but that's still only a part of the bigger DB picture... But I'll save that for Kevin's thread. |
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From: Kevin <ke...@dr...> - 2005-11-16 20:59:03
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> I'll have a look at it tonight. I think supporting other databases is > perhaps a good idea - though I'm concerned about the expense to > readability of the code. I think a huge benefit to FoFRedux is the > simplicity and understability of the code for users and hackers (like > ourselves) to modify. > > Are there directions on setting up another db? Ideally, if the db type is supported by ADODB, then you just change the FOF_DB_TYPE constant in config.php. Everything should work. If there ar= e problems, you can set FOF_DEBUG to true, which will print out all the SQL and any database errors. From there you should be able to work out any compatiblity problems. This is my first attempt at using ADODB. For someone to jump into the code without having used ADODB before, it would require a bit of RFTM to learn how ADODB works. The only thing that requires a little extra effor= t is handling of date/timestamps and boolean values. Their usage is usuall= y different with different databases, so it took me a bit to learn how to handle them correctly in a cross-platform way. --- Kevin > In related news - I finished most of the baseline mods last night - > just need to add "Search" into the fofredux code from my personal > modified fof. > > Andy > > On 11/16/05, Kevin <ke...@dr...> wrote: >> >> Here's a link to my work. Please have a look and let me know if you >> guys >> think this is a good direction to go in. >> >> http://www.drule.org/fofredux-adodb.tar.gz >> >> > >> > Hi, I've been working on cleaning up the database code and making it >> more >> > easily portable to other RDBMSs. >> > >> > I started by converting it to use PEAR_DB. Athough I eliminated al= l >> the >> > "mysql_" function calls, the queries and table structure is still ve= ry >> > mysql specific. >> > >> > A couple of days ago I scraped my PEAR_DB work and started working >> with >> > ADODB. I am *very* pleased with the results so far. I have it >> working >> > fairly well on both mysql and postgresql. >> > >> > One of the nice features of ADODB is its support for handling databa= se >> > metadata an abstract (non-dbms specific) way. >> > >> > http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/docs-datadict.htm >> > >> > By using the $dict->ChangeTableSQL() method, It will either: create >> the >> > table if it is missing, or alter the table to match the definition >> > provided. >> > >> > This will make upgrading the database on an existing FoF/FoFR >> installation >> > quite easy. >> > >> > --- >> > Kevin >> > >> > >> >> From: Benjamin Stewart <bsii@cr...> >> > >> >> >> >> One thing we need to come up with a solution for is how to handle >> > changes >> >> that require database changes. We need ways of knowing which >> features >> > require which database changes, so we know whether or not any given >> > database >> >> change needs to be included in an updater. This, by the way, is on= e >> of >> > the >> >> biggest problems I've never been able to solve really well in past >> > lives. >> >> >> >> --Benjy >> > >> > -- >> > Kevin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------- >> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Toda= y >> > Register for a JBoss Training Course. Free Certification Exam >> > for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005. For more info visit: >> > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv28&alloc_id=16845&op=3Dclick >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Fofredux-devel mailing list >> > Fof...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel >> > >> >> >> -- >> Kevin >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today >> Register for a JBoss Training Course. Free Certification Exam >> for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005. For more info visit: >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv28&alloc_id=16845&opclick >> _______________________________________________ >> Fofredux-devel mailing list >> Fof...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel >> > > > -- > Andrew Turner > ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W > http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA > idealistic technocrat > > Photos - http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner > Travel - http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today > Register for a JBoss Training Course. Free Certification Exam > for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005. For more info visit: > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv28&alloc_id=16845&op=3Dclick > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > --=20 Kevin |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2005-11-16 19:24:29
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I'll have a look at it tonight. I think supporting other databases is perhaps a good idea - though I'm concerned about the expense to readability of the code. I think a huge benefit to FoFRedux is the simplicity and understability of the code for users and hackers (like ourselves) to modify. Are there directions on setting up another db? In related news - I finished most of the baseline mods last night - just need to add "Search" into the fofredux code from my personal modified fof. Andy On 11/16/05, Kevin <ke...@dr...> wrote: > > Here's a link to my work. Please have a look and let me know if you guys > think this is a good direction to go in. > > http://www.drule.org/fofredux-adodb.tar.gz > > > > > Hi, I've been working on cleaning up the database code and making it mo= re > > easily portable to other RDBMSs. > > > > I started by converting it to use PEAR_DB. Athough I eliminated all t= he > > "mysql_" function calls, the queries and table structure is still very > > mysql specific. > > > > A couple of days ago I scraped my PEAR_DB work and started working with > > ADODB. I am *very* pleased with the results so far. I have it working > > fairly well on both mysql and postgresql. > > > > One of the nice features of ADODB is its support for handling database > > metadata an abstract (non-dbms specific) way. > > > > http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/docs-datadict.htm > > > > By using the $dict->ChangeTableSQL() method, It will either: create th= e > > table if it is missing, or alter the table to match the definition > > provided. > > > > This will make upgrading the database on an existing FoF/FoFR installat= ion > > quite easy. > > > > --- > > Kevin > > > > > >> From: Benjamin Stewart <bsii@cr...> > > > >> > >> One thing we need to come up with a solution for is how to handle > > changes > >> that require database changes. We need ways of knowing which features > > require which database changes, so we know whether or not any given > > database > >> change needs to be included in an updater. This, by the way, is one o= f > > the > >> biggest problems I've never been able to solve really well in past > > lives. > >> > >> --Benjy > > > > -- > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today > > Register for a JBoss Training Course. Free Certification Exam > > for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005. For more info visit: > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv28&alloc_id=16845&op=3Dclick > > _______________________________________________ > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > Fof...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > > > -- > Kevin > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today > Register for a JBoss Training Course. Free Certification Exam > for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005. For more info visit: > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv28&alloc_id=16845&opclick > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA idealistic technocrat Photos - http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner Travel - http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/ |
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From: Kevin <ke...@dr...> - 2005-11-16 18:22:22
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Here's a link to my work. Please have a look and let me know if you guys think this is a good direction to go in. http://www.drule.org/fofredux-adodb.tar.gz > > Hi, I've been working on cleaning up the database code and making it mo= re > easily portable to other RDBMSs. > > I started by converting it to use PEAR_DB. Athough I eliminated all t= he > "mysql_" function calls, the queries and table structure is still very > mysql specific. > > A couple of days ago I scraped my PEAR_DB work and started working with > ADODB. I am *very* pleased with the results so far. I have it working > fairly well on both mysql and postgresql. > > One of the nice features of ADODB is its support for handling database > metadata an abstract (non-dbms specific) way. > > http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/docs-datadict.htm > > By using the $dict->ChangeTableSQL() method, It will either: create th= e > table if it is missing, or alter the table to match the definition > provided. > > This will make upgrading the database on an existing FoF/FoFR installat= ion > quite easy. > > --- > Kevin > > >> From: Benjamin Stewart <bsii@cr...> > >> >> One thing we need to come up with a solution for is how to handle > changes >> that require database changes. We need ways of knowing which features > require which database changes, so we know whether or not any given > database >> change needs to be included in an updater. This, by the way, is one o= f > the >> biggest problems I've never been able to solve really well in past > lives. >> >> --Benjy > > -- > Kevin > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today > Register for a JBoss Training Course. Free Certification Exam > for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005. For more info visit: > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv28&alloc_id=16845&op=3Dclick > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > --=20 Kevin |
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From: Kevin <ke...@dr...> - 2005-11-16 18:06:44
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Hi, I've been working on cleaning up the database code and making it more easily portable to other RDBMSs. I started by converting it to use PEAR_DB. Athough I eliminated all the "mysql_" function calls, the queries and table structure is still very mysql specific. A couple of days ago I scraped my PEAR_DB work and started working with ADODB. I am *very* pleased with the results so far. I have it working fairly well on both mysql and postgresql. One of the nice features of ADODB is its support for handling database metadata an abstract (non-dbms specific) way. http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/docs-datadict.htm By using the $dict->ChangeTableSQL() method, It will either: create the table if it is missing, or alter the table to match the definition provided. This will make upgrading the database on an existing FoF/FoFR installatio= n quite easy. --- Kevin > From: Benjamin Stewart <bsii@cr...> > > One thing we need to come up with a solution for is how to handle changes > that require database changes. We need ways of knowing which features=20 require which database changes, so we know whether or not any given database > change needs to be included in an updater. This, by the way, is one of the > biggest problems I've never been able to solve really well in past lives. > > --Benjy --=20 Kevin |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2005-11-16 11:19:11
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Great, thanks everyone. We sound like a bunch of geeks - which is apparently what we all are. ;) I really appreciate everyone's excitement and willing to help out on this. I think the forlorn users of FoF will too. ;) To answer Carlos' question, I think we should wait on announcing the fork until we finish up the basic edits, test them out and discuss the mininum feature set which we want to ship in version 0.2 (if we are continuing the FoF versioning) or just go ahead and call this version 1.0? An idea I had last night regarding back to the database updating. I think we should retain database updates for major release changes. For example, v0.2 will change the database, 0.21, 0.22, etc. will add new features within the database layout. When we are ready for a database change, we will bump to v0.3. At least this kind of numbering scheme will minimize database changes by holding them off and making sure we have what we want, and also easy to maintain the users' system (update them from v0.3 to v0.4 of the db structure) I haven't specifically contacted anyone else on the forums regarding development either just yet. Again, until we got a baseline out. I want to get a baseline of the fork out as soon as possible before we get bogged down in discussions of which of all the great things we want to put in next ;) We can then keep continual updates rolling out to let people know that we aren't going to stagnate like FoF did. Lastly, I agree with everyone's sentiments regarding PHP. Great little language for quickly tossing things together, and flexible, but wow you can produce some really spaghettied code. I for one, really like FoF in this respect as the code is currently fairly simple and straight-forward and easy to understand in this respect (readability/maintainability). Let's try to keep it that way. Andy On 11/15/05, Carlos Kozuszko <ck...@gm...> wrote: > Well, my turn. Im currently a Information Systems Engineering student. I'= m > also working part time as a contractor developing software on AS400/iSeri= es > systems. Im 26 years old and I live in Argentina. > > Im somethat experienced with PHP and is the language i hate the most :) B= ut > its ubicuity has made me forget all that and use it anyway in my projects= . > > As I told to Andrew, my main interest at hacking fof is my concern about = the > "reading time" a person assigns to his feeds. I've been working on > calculating words per posts averages, an statistics view and i plan to cr= eate > a view in which you can select "how much time" you want to read of your > unread items depending on your reading speed. > > I've also thought about tagging. What do you think about allowing the use= r to > tag each feed ? Im also thinking about the ability to show the del.icio.u= s > popularity for each item. > > What about spreading the news of this new project on the fof forum ? Woul= d > that be considered disloyal competence ? Andrew, have you contacted the o= ther > people at the forum wich wanted to collaborate, or just we were the ones > interested on development ? > > see you guys. > > > > On 11/14/05, Benjamin Stewart > > > So should we play first day of school and introduce > > > ourselves? > > -- > Web Site: http://www.ckozus.com.ar > Blog: http://www.ckozus.com.ar/blog > Mis links: http://del.icio.us/ckozus > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today > Register for a JBoss Training Course. Free Certification Exam > for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005. For more info visit: > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7628&alloc_id=3D16845&op=3Dclick > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA idealistic technocrat Photos - http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner Travel - http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/ |
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From: Carlos K. <ck...@gm...> - 2005-11-16 04:07:33
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Well, my turn. Im currently a Information Systems Engineering student. I'm also working part time as a contractor developing software on AS400/iSeries systems. Im 26 years old and I live in Argentina. Im somethat experienced with PHP and is the language i hate the most :) But its ubicuity has made me forget all that and use it anyway in my projects. As I told to Andrew, my main interest at hacking fof is my concern about the "reading time" a person assigns to his feeds. I've been working on calculating words per posts averages, an statistics view and i plan to create a view in which you can select "how much time" you want to read of your unread items depending on your reading speed. I've also thought about tagging. What do you think about allowing the user to tag each feed ? Im also thinking about the ability to show the del.icio.us popularity for each item. What about spreading the news of this new project on the fof forum ? Would that be considered disloyal competence ? Andrew, have you contacted the other people at the forum wich wanted to collaborate, or just we were the ones interested on development ? see you guys. > > On 11/14/05, Benjamin Stewart > > So should we play first day of school and introduce > > ourselves? -- Web Site: http://www.ckozus.com.ar Blog: http://www.ckozus.com.ar/blog Mis links: http://del.icio.us/ckozus |
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From: Benjamin S. <bs...@cr...> - 2005-11-15 22:25:16
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Well, I was a Cognitive Science + CS major at Berkeley, then I worked at nextag.com (one word: avoid) for a couple of years doing a wide range of java development, and now I've been at A9.com for a little more than a year doing another wide variety of things. I tend to think about interfaces and information presentation an awful lot. Uh, I have a blog here: http://linkstew.org/ Last night I took the refeed javascript and made their keyboard shortcuts navigation piece work with my modified HTML. Being able to j m m m m j j m to read messages and mark them read in a nice clean feed on feeds interface is really pretty slick. It was actually really easy to integrate that code without specifically changing the markup at all beyond some bootstrap code in the header (refeed inserts some javascript for every entry that populates an array of entries: this is trivially generable at runtime without adding extra markup). Their javascript is fairly clean and pretty general (and GPL, and it's effectively cousin code, anyway), so I'm inclined to use it. Andy: I can wait until this weekend and merge your changes onto my branch before I check in. I have some edges to smooth out, anyway. I'll commit the cleaned up HTML / CSS as one commit, then the keyboard shortcuts as a second commit. Evan: Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that PHP is in any way a *good* language. It's functional and easy to get started with and widely deployed (making it useful as an implementation language for open source web apps), but that doesn't make it good. I could go off on PHP for awhile, but I'll save that for colorful cvs commit messages. ;-) On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 02:07:48PM -0500, Evan B wrote: > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> > <html> > <head> > <meta content=3D"text/html;charset=3DISO-8859-1" http-equiv=3D"Content-= Type"> > </head> > <body bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000"> > I'm Evan. I'm currently an undergrad in Electrical Engineering at > Purdue University, leaning mainly towards Digital Logic Design and > Microprocessors thus far - I've done a little bit of work for GE > Medical Systems as an intern doing prototype testing and register > setting automation (lets get the intern to do it! 5 days later, I > return with a 4mb 1000+ page Excel spreadsheet >_<), but I'm only > a little more than halfway through school. I've dabbled in a good half > dozen programming languages and thought that getting into modifying FoF > would be a good way to help teach myself PHP, although I haven't done > much actual modification thus far (I only really tweaked my interface a > little bit, haven't done much of anything with the 'guts' of it yet.). > I loved the simple interface and design and was keenly interested in > following what can be done so change and improve it.<br> > <br> > Evan B<br> > <br> > Andrew Turner wrote: > <blockquote > cite=3D"mid...@ma..." > type=3D"cite"> > <pre wrap=3D"">Well, I'll start off: >=20 > I'm Andy. By education I'm an Aerospace Engineer - but spend most of > my actual 'dayjob' programming high-end, realtime simulators > (simcreator.com). By night I develop Mac applications (DashSaver, > SpyTrack), websites (detroitcurlingclub.com) & web applications. I'm > very interested in location and geospatialization - which was my > original pull into FoF as I modified it to read the GPS locations of > web feeds and put them on a map. >=20 > Anyways, enough about me - I'm am about 50% through the mods, and can > get them done this weekend. Can you wait that long? >=20 > As for db changes, I would think each release would have handle > modifying the tables from the previous version - with some kind of > upstepping along versions when people skip versions. Perhaps during > big changes the install scripts would even create backup tables and > then allow the user to remove these backups when everything looks ok. > I'll think more on this - it's a very good point. >=20 > Andy >=20 >=20 > On 11/14/05, Benjamin Stewart <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"= mailto:bs...@cr..."><bs...@cr...></a> wrote: > </pre> > <blockquote type=3D"cite"> > <pre wrap=3D"">So should we play first day of school and introduce ou= rselves? >=20 > Andy, do you have any estimate on when your changes will land? I > already created a branch and did some work, but haven't checked anything > in yet; I was going to do more work and check it in tonight, but if > you're about to commit, I could wait to avoid the backwards merge. >=20 > One thing we need to come up with a solution for is how to handle > changes that require database changes. We need ways of knowing which > features require which database changes, so we know whether or not any > given database change needs to be included in an updater. This, by the > way, is one of the biggest problems I've never been able to solve really > well in past lives. >=20 > --Benjy >=20 > On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 02:30:23PM -0500, Andrew Turner wrote: > </pre> > <blockquote type=3D"cite"> > <pre wrap=3D"">Welcome one and all to the fofredux developer's mail= ing list. We're > just getting ramped up on development - but wanted to setup a list for > very dev type things. To date we've figured that we can use this > mailing list for dev speak, and a forum for general public help. >=20 > I have mostly finished the beta releast of FoFRedux which is the last > version of FoF with some basic features added in: categories, editing, > flagging. And I know the vast hoardes currently on this list (ok, 4 of > us) have other ideas already percolating/ready to roll. >=20 > We can discuss each change whether it is strictly rolled into the main > branch/release, a CVS branch for cool new stuff that will probably be > broken for awhile, or as a patch b/c it isn't a main feature but > something users may want to add on their own. >=20 > Andy > nilspace >=20 > -- > Andrew Turner > <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:ajturner@highearthor= bit.com">ajt...@hi...</a> 42.4266N x 83.4931W > <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://highearthorbit.com">htt= p://highearthorbit.com</a> Northville, Michigan, USA > idealistic technocrat >=20 > Photos - <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://flickr.com/pho= tos/ajturner">http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner</a> > Travel - <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://highearthorb= it.com/projects/location/">http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/</a> >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. 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From: Evan B <ev...@at...> - 2005-11-15 19:07:56
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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> I'm Evan. I'm currently an undergrad in Electrical Engineering at Purdue University, leaning mainly towards Digital Logic Design and Microprocessors thus far - I've done a little bit of work for GE Medical Systems as an intern doing prototype testing and register setting automation (lets get the intern to do it! 5 days later, I return with a 4mb 1000+ page Excel spreadsheet >_<), but I'm only a little more than halfway through school. I've dabbled in a good half dozen programming languages and thought that getting into modifying FoF would be a good way to help teach myself PHP, although I haven't done much actual modification thus far (I only really tweaked my interface a little bit, haven't done much of anything with the 'guts' of it yet.). I loved the simple interface and design and was keenly interested in following what can be done so change and improve it.<br> <br> Evan B<br> <br> Andrew Turner wrote: <blockquote cite="mid...@ma..." type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Well, I'll start off: I'm Andy. By education I'm an Aerospace Engineer - but spend most of my actual 'dayjob' programming high-end, realtime simulators (simcreator.com). By night I develop Mac applications (DashSaver, SpyTrack), websites (detroitcurlingclub.com) & web applications. I'm very interested in location and geospatialization - which was my original pull into FoF as I modified it to read the GPS locations of web feeds and put them on a map. Anyways, enough about me - I'm am about 50% through the mods, and can get them done this weekend. Can you wait that long? As for db changes, I would think each release would have handle modifying the tables from the previous version - with some kind of upstepping along versions when people skip versions. Perhaps during big changes the install scripts would even create backup tables and then allow the user to remove these backups when everything looks ok. I'll think more on this - it's a very good point. Andy On 11/14/05, Benjamin Stewart <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bs...@cr..."><bs...@cr...></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">So should we play first day of school and introduce ourselves? Andy, do you have any estimate on when your changes will land? I already created a branch and did some work, but haven't checked anything in yet; I was going to do more work and check it in tonight, but if you're about to commit, I could wait to avoid the backwards merge. One thing we need to come up with a solution for is how to handle changes that require database changes. We need ways of knowing which features require which database changes, so we know whether or not any given database change needs to be included in an updater. This, by the way, is one of the biggest problems I've never been able to solve really well in past lives. --Benjy On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 02:30:23PM -0500, Andrew Turner wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Welcome one and all to the fofredux developer's mailing list. We're just getting ramped up on development - but wanted to setup a list for very dev type things. To date we've figured that we can use this mailing list for dev speak, and a forum for general public help. I have mostly finished the beta releast of FoFRedux which is the last version of FoF with some basic features added in: categories, editing, flagging. And I know the vast hoardes currently on this list (ok, 4 of us) have other ideas already percolating/ready to roll. We can discuss each change whether it is strictly rolled into the main branch/release, a CVS branch for cool new stuff that will probably be broken for awhile, or as a patch b/c it isn't a main feature but something users may want to add on their own. Andy nilspace -- Andrew Turner <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ajt...@hi...">ajt...@hi...</a> 42.4266N x 83.4931W <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://highearthorbit.com">http://highearthorbit.com</a> Northville, Michigan, USA idealistic technocrat Photos - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner">http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner</a> Travel - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/">http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/</a> ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php">http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php</a> _______________________________________________ Fofredux-devel mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Fof...@li...">Fof...@li...</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel</a> </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> -- Andrew Turner <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ajt...@hi...">ajt...@hi...</a> 42.4266N x 83.4931W <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://highearthorbit.com">http://highearthorbit.com</a> Northville, Michigan, USA idealistic technocrat Photos - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner">http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner</a> Travel - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/">http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/</a> ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today Register for a JBoss Training Course. Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005. For more info visit: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv28&alloc_id845&op=click">http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv28&alloc_id845&op=click</a> _______________________________________________ Fofredux-devel mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Fof...@li...">Fof...@li...</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel</a> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html> |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2005-11-15 17:15:09
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Well, I'll start off: I'm Andy. By education I'm an Aerospace Engineer - but spend most of my actual 'dayjob' programming high-end, realtime simulators (simcreator.com). By night I develop Mac applications (DashSaver, SpyTrack), websites (detroitcurlingclub.com) & web applications. I'm very interested in location and geospatialization - which was my original pull into FoF as I modified it to read the GPS locations of web feeds and put them on a map. Anyways, enough about me - I'm am about 50% through the mods, and can get them done this weekend. Can you wait that long? As for db changes, I would think each release would have handle modifying the tables from the previous version - with some kind of upstepping along versions when people skip versions. Perhaps during big changes the install scripts would even create backup tables and then allow the user to remove these backups when everything looks ok. I'll think more on this - it's a very good point. Andy On 11/14/05, Benjamin Stewart <bs...@cr...> wrote: > So should we play first day of school and introduce ourselves? > > Andy, do you have any estimate on when your changes will land? I > already created a branch and did some work, but haven't checked anything > in yet; I was going to do more work and check it in tonight, but if > you're about to commit, I could wait to avoid the backwards merge. > > One thing we need to come up with a solution for is how to handle > changes that require database changes. We need ways of knowing which > features require which database changes, so we know whether or not any > given database change needs to be included in an updater. This, by the > way, is one of the biggest problems I've never been able to solve really > well in past lives. > > --Benjy > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 02:30:23PM -0500, Andrew Turner wrote: > > Welcome one and all to the fofredux developer's mailing list. We're > > just getting ramped up on development - but wanted to setup a list for > > very dev type things. To date we've figured that we can use this > > mailing list for dev speak, and a forum for general public help. > > > > I have mostly finished the beta releast of FoFRedux which is the last > > version of FoF with some basic features added in: categories, editing, > > flagging. And I know the vast hoardes currently on this list (ok, 4 of > > us) have other ideas already percolating/ready to roll. > > > > We can discuss each change whether it is strictly rolled into the main > > branch/release, a CVS branch for cool new stuff that will probably be > > broken for awhile, or as a patch b/c it isn't a main feature but > > something users may want to add on their own. > > > > Andy > > nilspace > > > > -- > > Andrew Turner > > ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W > > http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA > > idealistic technocrat > > > > Photos - http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner > > Travel - http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > SF.Net email is sponsored by: > > Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Dow= nload > > it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your very own > > Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php > > _______________________________________________ > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > Fof...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA idealistic technocrat Photos - http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner Travel - http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/ |
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From: Benjamin S. <bs...@cr...> - 2005-11-15 00:43:45
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So should we play first day of school and introduce ourselves? Andy, do you have any estimate on when your changes will land? I already created a branch and did some work, but haven't checked anything in yet; I was going to do more work and check it in tonight, but if you're about to commit, I could wait to avoid the backwards merge. One thing we need to come up with a solution for is how to handle changes that require database changes. We need ways of knowing which features require which database changes, so we know whether or not any given database change needs to be included in an updater. This, by the way, is one of the biggest problems I've never been able to solve really well in past lives. --Benjy On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 02:30:23PM -0500, Andrew Turner wrote: > Welcome one and all to the fofredux developer's mailing list. We're > just getting ramped up on development - but wanted to setup a list for > very dev type things. To date we've figured that we can use this > mailing list for dev speak, and a forum for general public help. > > I have mostly finished the beta releast of FoFRedux which is the last > version of FoF with some basic features added in: categories, editing, > flagging. And I know the vast hoardes currently on this list (ok, 4 of > us) have other ideas already percolating/ready to roll. > > We can discuss each change whether it is strictly rolled into the main > branch/release, a CVS branch for cool new stuff that will probably be > broken for awhile, or as a patch b/c it isn't a main feature but > something users may want to add on their own. > > Andy > nilspace > > -- > Andrew Turner > ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W > http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA > idealistic technocrat > > Photos - http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner > Travel - http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download > it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your very own > Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2005-11-14 19:30:45
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Welcome one and all to the fofredux developer's mailing list. We're just getting ramped up on development - but wanted to setup a list for very dev type things. To date we've figured that we can use this mailing list for dev speak, and a forum for general public help. I have mostly finished the beta releast of FoFRedux which is the last version of FoF with some basic features added in: categories, editing, flagging. And I know the vast hoardes currently on this list (ok, 4 of us) have other ideas already percolating/ready to roll. We can discuss each change whether it is strictly rolled into the main branch/release, a CVS branch for cool new stuff that will probably be broken for awhile, or as a patch b/c it isn't a main feature but something users may want to add on their own. Andy nilspace -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA idealistic technocrat Photos - http://flickr.com/photos/ajturner Travel - http://highearthorbit.com/projects/location/ |
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