Re: [Flightgear-devel] That blaring voice...

[TheFGFSEagle <the...@gm...>]

And as for accessibility … honestly, what sense would it make for a
completely blind person to use a flight simulator ? (Just like a totally
blind person would never be allowed to fly an airplane, and any such
clear-minded person would never want to either)

Am Mo., 30. Sept. 2024 um 23:19 Uhr schrieb TheFGFSEagle <
the...@gm...>:

> The default callsign is FG-<some-four-digit-number> … you must have set it
> to callsig at some point ! (So, that's you !)
>
> Am Mo., 30. Sept. 2024 um 23:14 Uhr schrieb Josh Davidson <
> jos...@ou...>:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> By all means, your approach of adding something to QT is a good idea to
>> me.
>>
>> Maybe I have failed to explain properly.
>>
>> I can't speak for every IRL pilot. But when I was in flight training
>> (rip... I am now too ill to continue), what we would do is tune ATIS into
>> comm2 and leave comm2 MUTED until we needed it. Then we unmute, listen to
>> him, and then mute it again when done.
>>
>> So yes, we do "turn off" ATIS.
>>
>> And, cannot "adjust frequency" because FlightGear tunes it by default
>> unless you override it (like my planes do). So, you're left with starting
>> the sim to blaring ATIS, when you're in the middle of power-up or whatever.
>>
>> It makes no sense.
>>
>> Plus, the thing is reading out instructions for AI airplanes, or even
>> telling me I am cleared for takeoff, callsig (lol, the default?) all in
>> that harsh, irritating voice.
>>
>>
>>    - If you want to not hear the text-to-speech at *all*, ‘just’ set the
>>    ATC volume to zero, surely?
>>
>> I do not think this "fake ATC" should be enabled by default. It makes no
>> sense. I would wager that 99/100 people who use flightsims want an
>> interactive ATC such as VATSIM, the FlightGear MP/Mumble/FGCom, or
>> RedGriffen ATC. They do not want to hear some random ATC blaring in the
>> background in an annoying voice while they're just trying to start their
>> plane up.
>>
>> So I think this "fake ATC" like any other ATC option, should be an
>> opt-in, not an opt-out.
>>
>> When the sim is started, there should be no blaring voices.
>>
>> --
>> Josh Davidson
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* James Turner <ja...@fl...>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2024 15:02
>> *To:* FG Developers List <fli...@li...>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel] That blaring voice...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 Sep 2024, at 18:20, Josh Davidson <jos...@ou...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> If flightgear implements some sort of run once that asks that, no
>> objections.
>>
>> But this default blaring voice should be off by default
>>
>> It's essentially a very very poor screen reader and I challenge to find a
>> single other piece if software that puts such a thing on by default.
>>
>>
>> We can certainly make such a question part of the first-run sequence the
>> launcher does, and yes in principle the current launcher UI is
>> accessibility enabled because it’s built on Qt. Of course our main in-sim
>> UI is completely invisible to a screen-reader of any kind.
>>
>>
>> However my objection is mostly with the read commands for ATC and ATIS.
>> Because they don't stop. They keep blaring.
>>
>>
>> This seems odd to me: the system only plays the messages you would hear
>> with the corresponding frequency tuned .. and in the case of AWOS / ATIS,
>> it’s of comparable quality. If you were seated in the aeroplane, you
>> wouldn’t ’turn off’ ATIS or similar, you’d either adjust the volume, or
>> change frequency … so why is what FG currently does, different? We
>> certainly don’t want to default our COM radios to volume=0, and we do want
>> to make COM stations play the best approximation of ‘real’ audio we can, so
>> I don’t see how we could do better?
>>
>> If you want to not hear the text-to-speech at *all*, ‘just’ set the ATC
>> volume to zero, surely? And then you’re relying on reading the on-screen
>> text, of course. Given that setting is in a dialog labelled ’sound’, I
>> would say it’s not exactly hidden, and not an unreasonable default?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> James
>>
>>
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