Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fw: FlightGear in IVAO network

[Arnt K. <ar...@c2...>]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:38:16 -0800 (PST), Jr. wrote in message 
<866...@we...>:

> I must amend my previous statement (below), as it appears the
> discussion is swinging more in the direction of allowing Flightgear
> client programs to access IVAO directly...??  My concerns were aimed
> more towards when the discussion was about bridging the two networks
> at the server level. 

..why stop there?  We (FG) need just one, a root MP, thereunder we can
have sub server levels like MP-IVAO for IVAO etc, I see there are
several, even for the dreaded air combat simulations ;o), and if none
of them want these troll "kids", we could always set up a MP-dungeon
where they can troll away, away from us.  ;o)

..more below:

> If the two networks are to continue to exist
> separately, then I have no relevant concerns.  Cheers, -R.
> 
>  Robert M. Shearman, Jr.
> Transit Operations Supervisor,
> University of Maryland Department of Transportation
> also known as rm...@um...
> 
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> >  "Rob Shearman, Jr." <rm...@ya...> wrote:
> > 
> > > It seems
> > > that a large number (often, the majority) of FG-MP users are on
> > > the network to mess around and socialize rather than participate
> > > in a multi-aircraft scenario with any degree of realism.
> 
> Arnt wrote:
> > ..my impression from what little I've seen here on this list, 
> > (I haven't had time to join the fun), is our "social" MP 
> > things are MP airshows and fly-ins, in the http://eaa.org/ 
> > and http://airventure.org/ style spirit.  
> 
> > ..these events fits nicely into RL air traffic in RL and I see no
> > problems with IVAO's serious relism traffic servers joining our 
> > MP servers, {...}
> 
> Those are the events that we "organize," and in the forum these are
> organized by a core group of mature, "semi-serious" aviators, who fly
> these events for social reasons but attempt to fly reasonably
> realistically throughout them.
> 
> But those you don't see on the list, but who are online on the MP
> servers on a near-constant basis, are the "kids" (of variable age
> range, no doubt) whose idea of social flying is "EMERGENCY LANDING<
> EVERYBODY CLEAR THE RUNWAY!!!!@@@" or "CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO
> FLY??" and/or those that just loop around aimlessly seeking attention
> or try to pull off something "cool" flying a 787 like it were in an
> aerobatic display.
> 
> Given the former, I agree that this presents no problem working with
> IVAO.  How do we screen for the latter?  

..maybe make fgfs an install time unique identifier?  E.g. by appending
the cpu serial number's md5sum to fgfs itself and use that ID to log
into our MP servers?  These troll "kids" could also be of the same kind
we see at http://groklaw.net/ ,  working to divert attention with red
herrings.  They can easily defeat install time ID schemes rebooting
"install FG" live CD's, so we need to tie our ID scheme to some easily
identifiable expensive hardware, e.g. the cpu.

> Again I say that there would
> have to be two FG-MP networks; one connected with IVAO and one that
> isn't.  Or, close FG-MP to only those who register for IVAO and plan
> to follow its guidelines, leaving the "kids" to play solo, or else
> privately set up their own FG-MP servers.
> 
> Cheers,
> -R.
    

-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.