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From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-14 09:15:33
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Toomas Toots <to...@i-...> wrote: >I think that to many options are not definetly good. Feedreader should >be simple even for dumb user. And if we really need some finetuning >options we should make new preferences tab "Advanced" And make an Tab 'things every normal windows programm should do but we had to build it up seperate cause this is delphi' ;o))) But for an pascal programm, the gui-handling of FR is really good *gg* ;o) Nicole -- http://www.useful-sounds.de/ - http://beissholz.de |
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From: Toomas T. <to...@i-...> - 2004-01-14 09:11:41
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But why we need option for this? Isn't it normal if feedreader will get the state it had before hidding? I think that to many options are not definetly good. Feedreader should be simple even for dumb user. And if we really need some finetuning options we should make new preferences tab "Advanced" Toomas > > There is a new option which describes what happens if you click with > the left mouse button on the icon: show normal or maximized. > This flickering occurs just the first time the window is shown. > |
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From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-14 09:11:21
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Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote: >The issue that the window is shown above the start button should be fixed. fine. >> I appreciate the efforts to make a build around like this or settings in >> properties of FR but it does not solve the problem. The settings for the >> icon to start fr *have* to have priority. > >I read this two sentences 3 times, but i don't understand what you mean > :(. Can you please explain in more details? Should be easier in German (sorry rest) Es ist schön, daß Du versuchst, daß Problem zu lösen zum Beispiel durch nachträgliches Änders des Window-States oder aber durch eine Einstellung in FR um ein maximized hinzukriegen - jedoch sollte sowas keine Workaround-Lösung sein, sondern das ursprüngliche Problem sollte gelöst werden: Warum ignoriert FR die Einstellungen, die er von Windows beim Start des Programmes erhält? Whatever is done in FR at startup, I expect Delphi to be the reason of trouble. I asume that Languages from MS do recognize the information at start from the porperties of the icon better and Delphi fails - so we have this mess. >Can i delete the two builds? I need the space for the regular build. tsts so few space? ;o) if you think I should take a look at these two to compare, please send them to nicole.simon at web.de. where I can fetch them later today without running out of quota @gnak. thx Nicole -- http://www.useful-sounds.de/ - http://beissholz.de |
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From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-14 09:06:06
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Toomas Toots wrote: > I think Feedreader should startu up without flickering. Of course it's > better to save maximized/normalized state for user but this flickering > is so unnormal :). Another thing is if i click on trayicon. Last public > version behaved correctly no matter if form was restored or mazimized > before hiding to tray. But at the moment it flicker if it was maximized. There is a new option which describes what happens if you click with the left mouse button on the icon: show normal or maximized. This flickering occurs just the first time the window is shown. > We should revert this back? > It is not in cvs, so reverting is not a problem. This evening i will try a new version of the CoolTrayIcon component, cross your fingers ;) Karsten |
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From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-14 08:43:58
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Nicole Simon wrote: > Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote: > >>So please vote for the preferred method > > > I vote for 624: > If properties of the feedreader Icon say 'normal', FR is restored to the > way it was at shutdown: > Back in systray (and only there, not above the start button) or maximized The issue that the window is shown above the start button should be fixed. > or the middle thing (what is it called in enlisch?) Normal. > > If said minimized, it is brought to systray > > If said maximized, it opens maximized. > > I appreciate the efforts to make a build around like this or settings in > properties of FR but it does not solve the problem. The settings for the > icon to start fr *have* to have priority. I read this two sentences 3 times, but i don't understand what you mean :(. Can you please explain in more details? > > I have not have the time to test the new versions, could take some days but > I will give feedback soon. Can i delete the two builds? I need the space for the regular build. Karsten |
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From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-14 08:22:43
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Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote: >So please vote for the preferred method I vote for 624: If properties of the feedreader Icon say 'normal', FR is restored to the way it was at shutdown: Back in systray (and only there, not above the start button) or maximized or the middle thing (what is it called in enlisch?) If said minimized, it is brought to systray If said maximized, it opens maximized. I appreciate the efforts to make a build around like this or settings in properties of FR but it does not solve the problem. The settings for the icon to start fr *have* to have priority. I have not have the time to test the new versions, could take some days but I will give feedback soon. :o) Nicole -- http://www.useful-sounds.de/ - http://beissholz.de |
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From: Toomas T. <to...@i-...> - 2004-01-14 07:20:22
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I think Feedreader should startu up without flickering. Of course it's better to save maximized/normalized state for user but this flickering is so unnormal :). Another thing is if i click on trayicon. Last public version behaved correctly no matter if form was restored or mazimized before hiding to tray. But at the moment it flicker if it was maximized. We should revert this back? Greetings Toomas Karsten Hoffrath wrote: > > So please vote for the preferred method > > Greetings, > Karsten > |
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From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-13 17:29:13
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Hi all. I made a small adjustment to form saving/restoring. Build 622 (www.khoffrath.de/feedreader/feedreader_622.zip) Build 623 (www.khoffrath.de/feedreader/feedreader_623.zip) Both builds are equal except one thing: Build 622 restores the windowposition and -size correctly no matter if the window was maximized, minimized or normal at shutdown. This comes with the price of a short flickering at program startup. Build 623 restores the window size not correctly under the following circumstances: The window was maximized at shutdown. When the program is restarted and the window is restored to normal state, the size is correct, but the position is in the screen center. So please vote for the preferred method Greetings, Karsten P.S. I noticed, that both files have build no 622. The file feedreader_623.zip is the one with the uncomplete startup functionality ;). |
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From: Karsten H. <kh...@kh...> - 2004-01-13 17:28:25
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Hi all. I made a small adjustment to form saving/restoring. Build 622 (www.khoffrath.de/feedreader/feedreader_622.zip) Build 623 (www.khoffrath.de/feedreader/feedreader_623.zip) Both builds are equal except one thing: Build 622 restores the windowposition and -size correctly no matter if the window was maximized, minimized or normal at shutdown. This comes with the price of a short flickering at program startup. Build 623 restores the window size not correctly under the following circumstances: The window was maximized at shutdown. When the program is restarted and the window is restored to normal state, the size is correct, but the position is in the screen center. So please vote for the preferred method ;) Greetings, Karsten P.S. I noticed, that both files have build no 622. The file feedreader_623.zip is the one with the uncomplete startup functionality ;). |
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From: Toomas T. <to...@i-...> - 2004-01-13 06:58:47
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<pre>Toomas Toots,
I have written an application with a completely skinable popup
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From: Toomas T. <to...@i-...> - 2004-01-12 23:15:26
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Hello! I have commited to CVS some works on usability in importopmlform. I can't say i did all what Nicole told ;). It's best if Karsten could build new version and put to his homepage for downloading. So Nicole could check out new version and help me out on some things that are not ready at the moment. The biggest problem is that listview has two states : checked and selected. At the moment there are some confusing moments because i relay on checked status not selected status. Meanwhile: KIKA, could you provide us with opml import and export images for mainmenu? Waiting for new ideas (will hopefully work tomorrow on OPML export) Toomas |
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From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-12 23:14:16
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Toomas Toots <to...@i-...> wrote: >Sorry, I have really been busy and away from computer in last weeks. no problem :o) let's just try - to have a new beta out on the newsflahs - and make a stable version which can have a new number. remember, we don't have to sell copies. we can update more often, especially with betas :)) Nicole -- http://www.useful-sounds.de/ - http://beissholz.de |
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From: Toomas T. <to...@i-...> - 2004-01-12 19:41:56
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Hi! From my side I will try to work with OPML stuff. I hope it will be ready in workweek end. Sorry, I have really been busy and away from computer in last weeks. Greetings Toomas Karsten Hoffrath wrote: > Hi, > > welcome back :). > > I must admit that i did nothing to FeedReader in the last few days ;). > > I hope i can put some work in it today. > I'm not happy with the state it is at the moment. Following things i > will enhance before calling it ready for a release: > > -saving/restoring of form position (never ending story) > -OPML-forms need beautifying > -OPML export doesn't work for me > -maybe change the way translations are handled > -do one change to the internal creation of the EmbeddedWB content > (fix for opening the wrong url when opening in new window from > newsoverview) > > I hope i can make this changes until end of the week. > But i can't post on the website or put a new version on sourceforge > anyway :). I', just a small developer ;) > > Greeetings, > Karsten > > > > Nicole Simon wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> could we add something about a newer version on the mainpage? The new >> versions are pretty stable for me (i was off some days and do have 621 >> here) and upload one version to sourceforge? :o) >> >> Nicole >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. > Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering > advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. > Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html > _______________________________________________ > Feedreader-development mailing list > Fee...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/feedreader-development |
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From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-12 18:43:18
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Hi, welcome back :). I must admit that i did nothing to FeedReader in the last few days ;). I hope i can put some work in it today. I'm not happy with the state it is at the moment. Following things i will enhance before calling it ready for a release: -saving/restoring of form position (never ending story) -OPML-forms need beautifying -OPML export doesn't work for me -maybe change the way translations are handled -do one change to the internal creation of the EmbeddedWB content (fix for opening the wrong url when opening in new window from newsoverview) I hope i can make this changes until end of the week. But i can't post on the website or put a new version on sourceforge anyway :). I', just a small developer ;) Greeetings, Karsten Nicole Simon wrote: > Hi, > > could we add something about a newer version on the mainpage? The new > versions are pretty stable for me (i was off some days and do have 621 > here) and upload one version to sourceforge? :o) > > Nicole > |
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From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-11 22:07:45
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Hi, could we add something about a newer version on the mainpage? The new versions are pretty stable for me (i was off some days and do have 621 here) and upload one version to sourceforge? :o) Nicole -- http://www.useful-sounds.de/ - http://beissholz.de |
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From: Toomas T. <to...@i-...> - 2004-01-05 15:34:25
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi guys,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I have just given Feedreader 2.5 build
610 a try. I like it but I'd like to offer a suggestion about a couple
of minor annoyances.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">1. Could there be an option for
FeedReader to give itself "low" processing priority. I have seen that
it sometimes takes a fair bit of CPU.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">2. Would it be possible for the
notification boxes to avoid stealing the keyboard focus? I'm running
this on Windows 2000.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">3. The predefined "Available feeds" -
can I add my own here? I'm not sure of the terminology but I mean
additional lists of feeds, like syndic8 (<a
href="http://www.syndic8.com">www.syndic8.com</a>)</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">4. Would it be possible for feedreader
to integrate itself with internet explorer, so when I click on a feed
link, it would add it to feedreader?</font></div>
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From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-01 19:30:58
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Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote: >In 616 it works for me (Win2000). XP Prof German. >No i don't have a list. All commands should be in the customize dialog >of the toolbar. *think* oh we have the translation file, there they are! >I make a new build and put it online, to be sure we both have the same >version. Should be up in 10 min. what was this about not having a new version? ;o)) Nicole -- http://www.useful-sounds.de/ - http://beissholz.de |
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From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-01 19:30:17
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Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote: >So you doesn't have checked "start minimized", ack. but 'minimize to systray' is checked. Closed FR from fullscreen: Next time starting FR results in max mode. to be correct: 'seems to open in resized mode but then by itself maximizes without me doing siomething. (but you can see this step inbetween) closed FR from systray icon minimized in the left corner just over the "Start" button. So FR does the minimizing by itself but on start it should only do two things: 1. if "minimized to systray" is set: do it. 2. resize to last position known but respect the setting off the icon. even the idiotic ie can be forced to open in fullscreen if this is set. >> Not that annoying but perhaps it helps: >> If I minimize it to systray and it reopens, it does not just maximized, it >> does first to 'resized' and then to maximized. > >Everytime you show the window again or just the first time you maximize >the window after a complete restart of FR? everytime. if i close in fullscreen mode an start it again and everytime i doubleclick on the systray icon and I do maximize from the systray icon FR does the double-step-maximize. (this is different from the one with the maximize-over-startbutton: there *I* have to doubleclick. ) >I love this magical things. I can't think of something which touches the >toolbar when you click in the treeview. see. the joy of programming. :o) must be a sidething we don't get the connection yet. i don't know if you remember the thing with compaq computers. sometime, if you do anything, you get the message 'can't save to disk a:' which had nothing to do with what you did. solution: exclude a part of the memory from 640k-1024k because. if you didn't the somehow from the computer expected to be reserved memory for discaccess did this strange thing. >I think this is just because of the amount of headlines you have stored >in this feed. 50 should not be to much for our little toy :o)) >No new version today, maybe tomorrow. then you have a few days rest cause I will be on vacation ;o)) Nicole -- http://www.useful-sounds.de/ - http://beissholz.de |
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From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-01 18:47:46
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Nicole Simon wrote: > Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote: > >>Highlight the folder. Wait a second, then click again on the folder. Now >>you can edit the foldername. > > > not in my version. I vote this to be the hidden feature and make a decent > F2 plus a left clickmenu item! :o)) In 616 it works for me (Win2000). > > >>Ok, where should we put them how should we arrange which commands? > > > do you have an easy list of all available commands? i would not like to > type them from screen. :o) > No i don't have a list. All commands should be in the customize dialog of the toolbar. I make a new build and put it online, to be sure we both have the same version. Should be up in 10 min. Karsten |
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From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-01 18:43:17
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Nicole Simon wrote: > Happy new year to everyone :o) > > Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote: > >>So all errors are gone or are there still some? > > > I would not say that all errors are gone ;o) > > hm. I have started the new version for 2-3 times. All was good. > > Now on your mail to check, I opened again and look what - > some are back. :o( > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > * instead of maximazing on opening, it is this little titlebar in the left > corner again. > > I would suspekt - from my basic understanding of how feedreader might be > programmed - this: > - fr checks after opening the setting 'start minimized on startup' > - this is not checked in my settings > - he then *does* a minimize, not to systray but this looks > like a minimize, although he should just leave the window state alone So you doesn't have checked "start minimized", but when you closed feedreader, it was minimized? And when you restart FR, the window is minimized in the left corner just over the "Start" button? > > Not that annoying but perhaps it helps: > If I minimize it to systray and it reopens, it does not just maximized, it > does first to 'resized' and then to maximized. Everytime you show the window again or just the first time you maximize the window after a complete restart of FR? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > * the 'double row toolbar' is back again > I did a change on my toolbar setting to adapt it to my wishes. > > - tested "add a feed" to see if this is still working: yes > - added one feed > - clicked it on treeview > - double toolbar disapears without me doing something > > Whatever you do when I click a treeview, it obviously resets something > for the toolbar to make it right. I love this magical things. I can't think of something which touches the toolbar when you click in the treeview. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > * roll up / down when marking all read > > There ist a quick flashing (press button - white - headlines back again > mark as read) but the 'roll up and down' thing is not there. I think this is just because of the amount of headlines you have stored in this feed. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Rest seems okay BUT: I had this problem with double toolbar for some time > and then suddenly the "add feed" did not work anymore. > > I do know have a new toolbar.bin and it might reoccur again. > I would start adding some of my new feeds to see if I get a problem again - > is any new version on start or should I start with 616? :o) > No new version today, maybe tomorrow. > > Nicole > > |
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From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-01 17:13:16
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Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote: >Highlight the folder. Wait a second, then click again on the folder. Now >you can edit the foldername. not in my version. I vote this to be the hidden feature and make a decent F2 plus a left clickmenu item! :o)) >Ok, where should we put them how should we arrange which commands? do you have an easy list of all available commands? i would not like to type them from screen. :o) Nicole -- http://www.useful-sounds.de/ - http://beissholz.de |
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From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-01 17:01:07
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Happy new year to everyone :o) Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote: >So all errors are gone or are there still some? I would not say that all errors are gone ;o) hm. I have started the new version for 2-3 times. All was good. Now on your mail to check, I opened again and look what - some are back. :o( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * instead of maximazing on opening, it is this little titlebar in the left corner again. I would suspekt - from my basic understanding of how feedreader might be programmed - this: - fr checks after opening the setting 'start minimized on startup' - this is not checked in my settings - he then *does* a minimize, not to systray but this looks like a minimize, although he should just leave the window state alone Not that annoying but perhaps it helps: If I minimize it to systray and it reopens, it does not just maximized, it does first to 'resized' and then to maximized. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * the 'double row toolbar' is back again I did a change on my toolbar setting to adapt it to my wishes. - tested "add a feed" to see if this is still working: yes - added one feed - clicked it on treeview - double toolbar disapears without me doing something Whatever you do when I click a treeview, it obviously resets something for the toolbar to make it right. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * roll up / down when marking all read There ist a quick flashing (press button - white - headlines back again mark as read) but the 'roll up and down' thing is not there. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rest seems okay BUT: I had this problem with double toolbar for some time and then suddenly the "add feed" did not work anymore. I do know have a new toolbar.bin and it might reoccur again. I would start adding some of my new feeds to see if I get a problem again - is any new version on start or should I start with 616? :o) Nicole -- http://www.useful-sounds.de/ - http://beissholz.de |
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From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-01 14:28:42
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I wrote him a mail that all files are in the source distribution or in cvs. If he gets mail from people i will handle them. Karsten BTW: Your clock is wrong :) Your mail had a date 29.04.2003 when i received it. Toomas Toots wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Redistributing Formatted-XDOM > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 05:38:27 -0800 > From: Carmi Grushko <ven...@us...> > To: too...@us... > CC: <ven...@us...> > > > > Hi ! > > > > I'm Carmi, the developer of Formatted XDOM, a library you > > seem to be using in FeedReader. > > > > First of all, I'd like to express my happiness, resulting from the > > fact I helped somebody do something. > > > > Second, I'd like to suggest you include the latest > > Formatted_XDOM.pas in the Source distribution of > > FeedReader. I get every now and then a reqest to send this > > file to a user who tries to compile FeedReader. Either it's not > > included or not the latest version. > > > > Though I enjoy knowing my code is needed, I presume it > > would be much easier for everyone if the file is included in the > > FeedReader sources. > > > > I can either send you the file directly to your email or you > > can download it yourself from > > > > http://valkyrie-module.sourceforge.net/Formatted% > > 20XDOM.htm > > > > I hope this version will work correctly with the latest version > > of XDOM, but I cannot ensure it as I do not have time at all > > for these matters. > > > > Thanks, > > -Carmi > > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net > email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. Become an expert in LINUX or > just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's Free Linux Tutorials. Learn > everything from the bash shell to sys admin. Click now! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ Feedreader-development > mailing list Fee...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/feedreader-development |
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From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-01 14:25:45
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Hi Nicole, some questions and notes: >I can't rename folders? I can ;). Highlight the folder. Wait a second, then click again on the folder. Now you can edit the foldername. >I have always disliked this 'explode the tree the minute you click it' >feature, because it it not windows standard. Windows standard is: >one click - mark it >double click - open it I'm not sure is this in Build 616 or not. In my version it is already. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Most of the possible commands which are available for a toolbar are not available via menue. Ok, where should we put them how should we arrange which commands? Karsten |
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From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-01 14:14:13
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Hi Toomas.
Is OPML export done?
I ask because when i'm exporting my feeds, which are organised in
folders the following file is created:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<opml version="1.0">
<head></head>
<body>
<outline text="News" xmlUrl="" type="rss" version="RSS"></outline>
<outline text="Computer" xmlUrl="" type="rss"
version="RSS"></outline>
<outline text="Open Source" xmlUrl="" type="rss"
version="RSS"></outline>
<outline text="Testfeeds" xmlUrl="" type="rss"
version="RSS"></outline>
<outline text="Break FeedReader"
xmlUrl="http://www.daliblume.com/ThrowMeAway/index.xml" type="rss"
version="RSS"></outline>
</body>
</opml>
The first four items are my folders, where i expected that childitems
appear which are the actual feeds. The last item is a feed which is not
in an folder.
Do you have an introduction about how to use OPML, especially for our
case, exchanging feed informations between feed reader programms.
Greetings,
Karsten
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