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[Feedreader-development] Feature list Karsten

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Sent this mail yesterday but didn't show up on the mailinglinst.

Here is my list:

Urgent:
-Sourceforge items [853907] Missing <title> breaks v2.5 b610
  The submitter of this bug send me an example xml file.
  Maybe this is an RSS2.0 feed (see Kristjan's mail).
-Problems with feeds from Haloscan (see Feedreader-Forum
  http://www.feedreader.com/node.php?id=331) maybe also RSS2.0
-Feedreader seems to hang if you follow this steps:
  Click on a feed in the treeview. Then move the mouse so fast to the
  next feed that the headlines of the feed you clicked on are not shown
  in the listbox on the right. Now Feedreader will not react until you
  click on another feed.
-Save and restore windowstate, -position and internal layout of
  treeview, listview and EmbeddedWB.
-Additional update intervalls (1, 3 min).
-Keep Feedreader on top of new opened browser windows.


For the future:
-Use Gecko-Engine (Mozilla) instead of IE.
-Ability to "archiv" headlines and/or
-Delete single headlines.
-"Nicer" notification window. Like the one in Mozilla/Thunderbird.
-Statistic report?


Karsten

Re: [Feedreader-development] Biggest problem in feedreader

[Nicole S. <ni...@gn...>]

[please use plaintext :o)]

Toomas Toots <to...@i-...> wrote:
>My implementation makes read only the feed what is active (or all feeds
>if "my feeds" is active"). 

But in line with good usability - only with an extra question "You are
about to mark all feeds read - continue?" :o))

Nicole
	
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Re: [Feedreader-development] Development priorities

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Kristjan Jansen wrote:

> I'd split the goals into 2 phases:
> 
> #1 Catch up with the competitiors:
> 
> - OPML feelist import/export

Nice to have but what is the use of this? To exchange feedlists with 
other programs? Exists a "standard" for exchanging feedlists? If so do 
you have a link? Can you implement this in Feedreader?

> - finding feeds from HTML pages usig
>   <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS" href="/rss.xml" />

I'm not sure under when to use this? When a page is shown in the 
EmbeddedWB? And then extract all feeds out of this page?

> - support for RSS 2.0 + modules

Must! Do you have links for the RSS definitons?
Is Feedreader not compatible with RSS2.0?
Or can you implement this into Feedreader?

> - improve usability

I think its usable ;)
Where do you want to improve it? As i see it the main improvement at the 
moment is to localize Feedreader so the user can choose which language 
he wants to use. The code in cvs can now localize all labels, menuitems, 
actions, etc.  In cvs is a tranlsation template which holds all strings 
used in the actual state.


> - stability, stability, stability

For me it is pretty stable. I use it now for over six months and never 
had a problem (ok, except the mentioned bugs) nor crash. On the other 
hand i'm not pushing it. Nicole has 300 feeds in her setup so maybe she 
should talk about stability ;) .

> 
> #2 Future features
> 
> - Syndic8 XML-RPC API support (search, feedlists)

Don't know this. From the name i would call it something which is just 
supported by Syndic8. Does it make sense to implement something which is 
  just offered by one website?

> - genereric, XML parser-based namespace support (for RSS 1.0 and 2.0 and whatnot)
> - support for Atom syndication format

I can't comment on this. I know not enough about these things. Do you 
have a link where i can read up on this?

> - blog posting ?

Is this not possible with the current code?
I read somewhere in the forum that the people are doing this but have 
problems if they press 'z' which will maximize the EmbeddedWB window.
This problem is fixed in cvs.

> 
> The main competitive edge of the Feedreader shold be the "small, light, but does everything you need".
> No need to introduce bloat just for questionable features sake.

Ok ;)

Karsten

P.S.
Some questions might seem to be offensiv but they are not meant to be ;) .

[Feedreader-development] Feature list Karsten

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Here is my list:

Urgent:
-Sourceforge items [853907] Missing <title> breaks v2.5 b610
  The submitter of this bug send me an example xml file.
  Maybe this is an RSS2.0 feed (see Kristjan's mail).
-Problems with feeds from Haloscan (see Feedreader-Forum
  http://www.feedreader.com/node.php?id=331) maybe also RSS2.0
-Feedreader seems to hang if you follow this steps:
  Click on a feed in the treeview. Then move the mouse so fast to the
  next feed that the headlines of the feed you clicked on are not shown
  in the listbox on the right. Now Feedreader will not react until you
  click on another feed.
-Save and restore windowstate, -position and internal layout of
  treeview, listview and EmbeddedWB.
-Additional update intervalls (1, 3 min).
-Keep Feedreader on top of new opened browser windows.


For the future:
-Use Gecko-Engine (Mozilla) instead of IE.
-Ability to "archiv" headlines and/or
-Delete single headlines.
-"Nicer" notification window. Like the one in Mozilla/Thunderbird.
-Statistic report?


Karsten

RE: [Feedreader-development] Development priorities

[Kristjan J. <kri...@sl...>]

I'd split the goals into 2 phases:

#1 Catch up with the competitiors:

- OPML feelist import/export
- finding feeds from HTML pages usig
  <link rel=3D"alternate" type=3D"application/rss+xml" title=3D"RSS" =
href=3D"/rss.xml" />
- support for RSS 2.0 + modules
- improve usability
- stability, stability, stability

#2 Future features

- Syndic8 XML-RPC API support (search, feedlists)
- genereric, XML parser-based namespace support (for RSS 1.0 and 2.0 and =
whatnot)
- support for Atom syndication format
- blog posting ?

The main competitive edge of the Feedreader shold be the "small, light, =
but does everything you need".
No need to introduce bloat just for questionable features sake.

so far for now,

kristjan

Re: [Feedreader-development] Development priorities

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Hey you there!!!

Yes, i mean you...
Toomas Toots wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> We have seen here some ideas what to do next. What do you think if this 
> is good idea to put some kind of feature list on www.feedreader.com and 
> let users vote there? Only problem is from where can we get the list? I 
> have some ideas and i guess that everybody has. Let's write them down 
> here and generate a list?

Are you reading my mind?

I will compile my list later and send it.
Lets put all ideas together and decide for which ideas we let the user 
vote. I don't think that it is a good idea to give them too much items 
too choose from.
Make a small list for the users and keep the rest for us. This has two 
advantages:

1) The next release will be earlier if we don't have to put too much in
    this.
2) We have something for later updates.

And less new features introduces less new possibilities for bugs.

The first point is important, it's nearly one year since the last release.


Greetings,
Karsten (khoffrath)

[Feedreader-development] Development priorities

[Toomas T. <to...@i-...>]

Hello!

We have seen here some ideas what to do next. What do you think if this 
is good idea to put some kind of feature list on www.feedreader.com and 
let users vote there? Only problem is from where can we get the list? I 
have some ideas and i guess that everybody has. Let's write them down 
here and generate a list?

Toomas

Re: [Feedreader-development] Biggest problem in feedreader

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Toomas Toots wrote:

> This menu should popup then clicking in "My feeds" item. At the moment 
> there are already "mark all headlines read". By the way, there are two 
> commands called "mark all headlines as read" but they do different 
> things. Beware of that :) In future we should get rid of one of them.  
> My implementation makes read only the feed what is active (or all feeds 
> if "my feeds" is active"). Another implementation makes read all 
> headlines everywhere. I thing that my implementation is a little bit better.
> 

I second this.
What would be nice also, is a possibility to mark all feeds in a folder 
as read.

Greetings,
Karsten (khoffrath)

Re: [Feedreader-development] Updates to FeedReader

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Nicole Simon wrote:

> Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
> 
>>Strange, which browser do you used for downloading?
> 
> 
> Firebird. Perhaps I had the wrong link?
> 

I used this link: http://www.feedreader.com/translation/get.php?lang=german

Tried it a few seconds ago with Mozilla 1.6a, no problem.


Karsten

Re: [Feedreader-development] Biggest problem in feedreader

[Toomas T. <to...@i-...>]

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
  <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
  <title></title>
</head>
<body>
This menu should popup then clicking in "My feeds" item. At the moment
there are already "mark all headlines read". By the way, there are two
commands called "mark all headlines as read" but they do different
things. Beware of that :) In future we should get rid of one of them.&nbsp;
My implementation makes read only the feed what is active (or all feeds
if "my feeds" is active"). Another implementation makes read all
headlines everywhere. I thing that my implementation is a little bit
better.<br>
<br>
<br>
Greetings<br>
Toomas<br>
<br>
Nicole Simon wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid...@ma..." type="cite">
  <pre wrap="">Karsten Hoffrath <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mai...@kh...">&lt;mai...@kh...&gt;</a> wrote:
  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">Like an entry in the popupmenu?
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->
For example :o) Or a nice little statistik report *g*

Nicole
	
  </pre>
</blockquote>
</body>
</html>

Re: [Feedreader-development] Biggest problem in feedreader

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Nicole Simon wrote:
> Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
> 
>>Like an entry in the popupmenu?
> 
> 
> For example :o) Or a nice little statistik report *g*

Arrgh, but not for the next release ;)


Karsten

Re: [Feedreader-development] Updates to FeedReader

[Nicole S. <ni...@gn...>]

Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
>Strange, which browser do you used for downloading?

Firebird. Perhaps I had the wrong link?

>OK. Btw which Agent do you mean?

Forte Agent. 
Nicole
	
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Re: [Feedreader-development] Biggest problem in feedreader

[Nicole S. <ni...@gn...>]

Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
>Like an entry in the popupmenu?

For example :o) Or a nice little statistik report *g*

Nicole
	
-- 
http://www.useful-sounds.de/ - http://beissholz.de

Re: [Feedreader-development] Updates to FeedReader

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Nicole Simon wrote:

> Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
> 
>><item
>>english="Delete folder" translated="Ordner l&ouml;schen"></item>
> 
> 
> As you can see, this gets cut out in my download. (Just add the xml file to
> the exeversion wenn you send it to me, okay?)
> 

Strange, which browser do you used for downloading?

> 
>>Ok, "Überschriften", "headlines" or "Headlines"? Make your choice :)
> 
> 
> Cool. The second tool after Agent where I am asked to make decisions, I'm
> progressing on world domination *gg*
> 
> I like Überschriften best, in combination with Feed(s).

OK. Btw which Agent do you mean?

Karsten

Re: [Feedreader-development] Biggest problem in feedreader

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Nicole Simon wrote:
> Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
> 
>>60 feeds?!?! Are you a newsjunkie? (just kidding ;)
> 
> 
> Oh it would be nice if we could count them some easier than sorting and
> editing the file in an editor *g*
> 
> Nicole, 300. :)
> 	

Like an entry in the popupmenu?

Karsten, 26 (+2 feeds for tests).

Re: [Feedreader-development] Updates to FeedReader

[Nicole S. <ni...@gn...>]

Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
><item
>english="Delete folder" translated="Ordner l&ouml;schen"></item>

As you can see, this gets cut out in my download. (Just add the xml file to
the exeversion wenn you send it to me, okay?)

>Ok, "Überschriften", "headlines" or "Headlines"? Make your choice :)

Cool. The second tool after Agent where I am asked to make decisions, I'm
progressing on world domination *gg*

I like Überschriften best, in combination with Feed(s).

Nicole
	
-- 
http://www.useful-sounds.de/ - http://beissholz.de

Re: [Feedreader-development] Biggest problem in feedreader

[Nicole S. <ni...@gn...>]

Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
>60 feeds?!?! Are you a newsjunkie? (just kidding ;)

Oh it would be nice if we could count them some easier than sorting and
editing the file in an editor *g*

Nicole, 300. :)
	
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http://www.useful-sounds.de/ - http://beissholz.de

Re: [Feedreader-development] Biggest problem in feedreader

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Hi,

Toomas Toots wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> My hope in Feedreader has raised again. Bugfixes and stuff... :) Big 
> thanks to developers.
> 
> I use Feedreader daily myself. And that leads us to my biggest problem. 
> I have about 60 feeds subscribed. But sometimes GETting some feeds does 

60 feeds?!?! Are you a newsjunkie? (just kidding ;)

> not work. Webserver does not give error but only stays in status 
> "Connected". So it's quite common that i go to work in the morning and 

Is this the same server everytime?

> see that those progressbars in lower right corner are partly green and 

You have green progressbars?!?

> updating progress is not ended. But if I press "update" button, it does 
> not do anything (because software knows/thinks that update is going on). 
> Only possibility is to restart feedreader.
> 
> I think that feedreader has to have some kind of timeout management. So 
> that thread could not have more than 5 minutes off running time for 
> example. I'm not quite at home with threads programming and stopping them.
> 
> Has anyboyd some neat ideas? :)
> 

I will examine how the update works and look for the best way to 
implement such a timeout management.

Greetings,
Karsten (khoffrath)

Re: [Feedreader-development] Something for all of us :)

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Thx for sharing this with us ;)


Toomas Toots wrote:

> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:     Congratulations!!! Don't read!!
> Date:     Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:40:34 +0100
> From:     El hombre del Sombrero
> 
>     
> 
>     
> 
> 
> 
> Hi!!
> 
> I guess the best you can do is forget this message. You must receive 
> hundreds of them everyday and this is no more than another message from 
> a FeedReader user saying: Good job, well done, fantastic program!.
> 
> I want to say thank you, boys, and ask you please to keep on with the 
> development.
> 
> Thank you!
> -----------------
> Richard.
> 
> ~El Hombre del Sombrero~
> http://sombrero.iespana.es
> -----------------
> Esto es to, esto es to, esto es todo amigos.
> 
> 
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[Feedreader-development] Biggest problem in feedreader

[Toomas T. <to...@i-...>]

Hello!

My hope in Feedreader has raised again. Bugfixes and stuff... :) Big 
thanks to developers.

I use Feedreader daily myself. And that leads us to my biggest problem. 
I have about 60 feeds subscribed. But sometimes GETting some feeds does 
not work. Webserver does not give error but only stays in status 
"Connected". So it's quite common that i go to work in the morning and 
see that those progressbars in lower right corner are partly green and 
updating progress is not ended. But if I press "update" button, it does 
not do anything (because software knows/thinks that update is going on). 
Only possibility is to restart feedreader.

I think that feedreader has to have some kind of timeout management. So 
that thread could not have more than 5 minutes off running time for 
example. I'm not quite at home with threads programming and stopping them.

Has anyboyd some neat ideas? :)

Greetings
Toomas

Re: [Feedreader-development] Updates to FeedReader

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Nicole Simon wrote:

> Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
> 
> 
>>All captions, texts, listitems, actions, etc. get translated now.
> 
> 
> I don't seem to be capable of downloading the pure file itself or should
> entries look like this?
> 
> <item english="Delete folder"   translated="Lsche Ordner"></item>?

Just downloaded the file. This line looks in my file like:

<item
english="Delete folder" translated="Ordner l&ouml;schen"></item>

This is the file that holds the german translation.
As you can see there is always an english string ("Delete folder"). 
Don't change this! Change the string after "translated".
If you enter characters like ä, ü, -, etc. then this characters have to 
be converted to their xml codes, otherwise the translation will fail. In 
the repository is a programm that can do this.

> 
> I don't want to check something on errors which are not there in the real
> file. [Karsten, would you mind sending me (not! the group) the file?]
> 

Ok. But keeping Feedreader in front of new browser windows will change 
this file (as this will be an option that can be disabled).
But you need the latest Feedreader version to take full use of this file 
(see my other mail, can i send it to you?).

> Haven't looked deep, two things:
> You have checked, that all shortcuts  (N&ew) etc are only set once?
> 

Should be but it was late, so i'm not sure ;)

> I disagree with the translation from headlines to Schlagzeilen - it is a
> word by word translation but feed-headlines are no headlines on the front
> page of a magazin. I would suggest Überschriften or even let headlines be
> headlines - you haven't changed feed into Einspeisung or else ;o)

Ok, "Überschriften", "headlines" or "Headlines"? Make your choice :)

> 
> Nicole
> 	

Greetings,
Karsten (khoffrath)

[Feedreader-development] Browser window pops in front

[Karsten H. <mai...@kh...>]

Nicole Simon wrote:

> 
> Now, an doubleclick results in the following actions
> - browser pops ins front 

I see this behavior in Windows 2000 too.

> - pc needs a little time to react again

This not ;)

I will try to change this. Can i send you (private) an exe for testing 
this under XP?

Greetings,
Karsten (khoffrath)

[Feedreader-development] Something for all of us :)

[Toomas T. <to...@i-...>]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Congratulations!!! Don't read!!
Date: 	Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:40:34 +0100
From: 	El hombre del Sombrero

	

	



Hi!!

I guess the best you can do is forget this message. You must 
receive hundreds of them everyday and this is no more than 
another message from a FeedReader user saying: Good job, 
well done, fantastic program!.

I want to say thank you, boys, and ask you please to keep on 
with the development.

Thank you!
-----------------
Richard.

~El Hombre del Sombrero~
http://sombrero.iespana.es
-----------------
Esto es to, esto es to, esto es todo amigos. 

Re: [Feedreader-development] Updates to FeedReader

[Nicole S. <ni...@gn...>]

Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:

>All captions, texts, listitems, actions, etc. get translated now.

I don't seem to be capable of downloading the pure file itself or should
entries look like this?

<item english="Delete folder"   translated="Lsche Ordner"></item>?

I don't want to check something on errors which are not there in the real
file. [Karsten, would you mind sending me (not! the group) the file?]

Haven't looked deep, two things:
You have checked, that all shortcuts  (N&ew) etc are only set once?

I disagree with the translation from headlines to Schlagzeilen - it is a
word by word translation but feed-headlines are no headlines on the front
page of a magazin. I would suggest Überschriften or even let headlines be
headlines - you haven't changed feed into Einspeisung or else ;o)

Nicole
	
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Re: [Feedreader-development] Last update for today

[Nicole S. <ni...@gn...>]

Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
>-New option: Force new browser window.
>  If enabled FeedReader opens a new browser window everytime one is
>  needed. If disabled, browser windows that are inactive are reused.

Since I switched to XP and Firebird (can't figure out which one to hold
responsible for) I have to do more keyboardwork.

I do read feeds this way: 
- go through all feeds one bye one
- if sth is interesting (even if the entry is not only a teaser)
  doubleklick so it does open in a new window in my browser
- go on until I have ~10-15 new entries
- read them
- continue

Before with ME/Kmeleon, the 'open new window' did open a window but let it
stay in the background and I could continue with "next unread"- liked it.

Now, an doubleclick results in the following actions
- browser pops ins front 
- pc needs a little time to react again
- i have to switch back with alt tab.

not nice. Could we change this someway? :)

Nicole
	
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