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Re: [Exp-engine-devel] Trying to load on recent sbcl on Mac or Linux
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From: Craig L. <cla...@us...> - 2013-09-23 19:34:54
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On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 12:38 -0400, Dave Cooper wrote:
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>
>
>
> Hi Craig,
>
>
> Thank you for all the help so far (and all the effort you've put into
> exp-engine!).
I'm glad to see someone interested in using it. Most people see that it
is written in Lisp and then refuse to try it out.
> I think we are close to getting something to work, just need a bit
> more advice on exactly how to kick off a validation run (see below). I
> think Solomon will be happy either being able to run ./eengine on the
> OS command line, or running the ee:exp-engine function from within a
> Lisp session. We just have to get a bit more educated on how to do it
> properly.
The validation code in ./eengine is not complete. The validation code
in ./expresso is complete.
Expresso was originally a LispWorks CAPI GUI project. I succeeded in
building it as a command line tool, but haven't used it lately so I need
to make sure nothing is broken.
>
> Incidentally, in due course (when I understand the system a bit
> better) I will be happy to give feedback on setting things up to be
> able to switch CLIM on and off, getting the library included into
> Quicklisp, etc.
I'm about to reorganize the eengine code so that it will be easier to
modify and will more naturally be able to run with or without CLIM. I
still haven't bought into the whole Quicklisp thing. Maybe I haven't
played with it enough.
CLSM (Common Lisp System Manager) is a system I'm working on for
managing Lisp software. Its syntax is loosely (from my memory) based on
Symbolics' System Construction Tool (SCT). My first introduction to
Lisp was on a Symbolics Lisp Machine in 1985.
>
> By the way, with SBCL, are you using mcclim as the CLIM module? I was
> able to get :mcclim loaded through Quicklisp:
Right now, when I use CLIM, I use it in LispWorks. McCLIM is not mature
enough to be able to do everything that I want to do and I don't have
the time to bring it up to the level I need.
>
>
> (ql:quickload :mcclim)
>
>
> but, after loading, I don't see some of the the operators you are
> using, like clim:note-progress, defined in there by default...
Hence my comment about maturity.
Craig
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>
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> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Craig Lanning
> <cla...@us...> wrote:
> On Sun, 2013-09-22 at 22:33 -0400, Dave Cooper wrote:
> >
> > Indeed, from an interactive SBCL session I can now do:
> >
> >
> > (load "load-engine")
> >
> >
> > But is there a way to run the command-line system from
> within an
> > interactive Lisp? It seems that the command-line system
> currently
> > meant to be run in batch from an OS command-shell prompt
> using the
> > eengine executable, isn't it?
>
>
> Yes, use the function EE:EXP-ENGINE.
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>
>
>
> Can you give an example of calling ee:exp-engine from within a running
> Lisp?
>
>
> Alternatively:...
>
>
>
> You can build the standalone executable if you modify the
> "sbcl/deliver.lisp" file to load "load-engine.lisp" instead of
> "system.lisp".
>
>
>
> Ok, with the clim: operators commented out, and sbcl/deliver.lisp
> modified to load "load-engine.lisp" instead of "system.lisp", we get
> an eengine produced.
>
>
> Running:
>
>
> ./eengine --help
>
>
> produces generic SBCL help.
>
>
>
>
> Running
>
>
> ./eengine [with no arguments]
>
>
> produces:
>
>
>
>
> Error: There is no applicable method for the generic function
> #<STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION EEK:MAKE-SESSION (1)> when
> called with arguments
>
>
> (:CLIM).
>
>
>
> (because apparently the ee-restart in top-level.lisp is still trying
> to call the :clim operation).
>
>
> Modifying the ee-restart function in top-level.lisp to apply the :cli
> (presumably "command-line interface" instead of :clim operation, as
> follows:
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>
>
>
>
> (defun ee-restart (#|restart functions take no args|#)
> (handler-case
> (let ((args (get-args)))
> (apply #'exp-engine :operation :cli :name (file-namestring
> (first args))
> (arglist-to-plist (rest args))))
> (cli-arg-invalid (err)
> (unless (eql (mode err) :help) (format t "Error: ~A~%" err))
> (run-op nil :help)
> (exit 1))
> (ee-error (err)
> (format t "Express Engine Error: ~A~%" err)
> (exit 1))
> (error (err)
> (format t "Error: ~A~%" err)
> (exit 1)))
> (exit 0))
>
>
>
>
> then rebuilding the eengine, produces:
>
>
> ./eengine
>
>
> Error: There is no applicable method for the generic function
> #<STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION EE:RUN-OP (9)>
> when called with arguments
> (#<EEK::CL-SESSION {10035B97F3}> :CLI).
>
>
>
>
> So, is there something different which has to happen in the
> ee-restart, or am I not passing the correct arguments to
> the ./eengine ? I assume the
>
>
> ./eengine --help
>
>
> it intended to give specific command-line advice for eengine, but as I
> mentioned, it's giving generic SBCL command-line help.
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> Express Engine is currently in a development state. Not all
> of the
> functionality is even working right now.
>
> What are you wanting to do with it?
>
> >
> > As I mentioned, I did get the eengine executable to build
> > successfully. But running it with no arguments throws the
> error:
> >
>
> >
> >
> > This is from the function ee-restart, defined in
> top-level.lisp, and
> > seems to invoke a :clim operation by default. Is there a
> different
> > restart function which should be used for command-line
> operation?
>
>
> I think it should give you help if you do
>
> ./eengine --help
>
> Craig
>
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Craig Lanning
> > <cla...@us...> wrote:
> > Comment out any CLSM stuff, too.
> >
> > You should be able to compile/load everything by
> loading the
> > file
> > "load-engine.lisp".
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > On Sun, 2013-09-22 at 21:48 -0400, Dave Cooper
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Craig,
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the tips. I went ahead and commented
> out the
> > CLIM stuff.
> > > Now I'm getting:
> > >
> > >
> > > Package CLSM does not exist
> > >
> > >
> > > coming from the bottom line of sbcl/compile.lisp
> > >
> > >
> > > The (load "system") above that seems to be
> completing
> > successfully.
> > >
> > >
> > > But, I'm not seeing a definition for the :CLSM
> package
> > anywhere...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Craig Lanning
> > > <cla...@us...> wrote:
> > > Sorry about that.
> > >
> > > I've been wanting to work on the graphical
> version
> > so I added
> > > CLIM
> > > things.
> > >
> > > If you want to comment out any CLIM stuff,
> then you
> > should be
> > > able to
> > > build the command line version. There are
> several
> > places
> > > where
> > > NOTING-PROGRESS and its associates show up
> in the
> > kernel/ code
> > > and in
> > > the plugins/p11/ and plugins/p21.
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2013-09-22 at 19:20 -0400, Dave
> Cooper
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Exp'ers,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to get the command-line
> version built
> > on SBCL
> > > but ran into
> > > > a couple glitches so thought I would ask
> here
> > before getting
> > > myself
> > > > into more trouble...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am following the build instructions
> from:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://sourceforge.net/p/exp-engine/engine/ci/master/tree/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The first issue I hit is:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Undefined function COMPILE-LOAD
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This function appears to be defined in
> > load-engine.lisp. So,
> > > I put
> > > > that into my ~/.sbclrc file and tried
> again.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next issue is:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Undefined package :CLIM in
> streams.lisp.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is coming from use of
> clim:noting-progress
> > in
> > > streams.lisp.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Should CLIM really be required for a
> command-line
> > version?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It will be nice to have a full portable
> GUI going
> > at some
> > > point but
> > > > the first goal is to get a robust
> command-line
> > version
> > > working.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, does anyone have advice on getting
> things
> > built with
> > > inclusion of
> > > > the needed COMPILE-LOAD function, and
> without CLIM
> > > dependency?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > By the way, if/when we get the basic
> command-line
> > > application
> > > > building, would there be any interest in
> getting
> > this
> > > project into
> > > > Quicklisp? I am somewhat familiar with
> ASDF and
> > Quicklisp,
> > > and could
> > > > help from that end of things.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > My Best,
> > > >
> > > > Dave Cooper, Genworks Support
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