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From: Timm M. <ti...@ma...> - 2001-04-20 13:42:28
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No offence, but sheesh, does everybody have this idea? EOF is already doing this. Timm Murray -------------------- Life is like a perl script: Really short and messy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Findlay" <dav...@ya...> To: <eo...@li...> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:35 AM Subject: [Eof-dev] Proposal: Freenews > I have thought of an idea that could make freenet a lot more useful. > Basically the idea is a Freenews - a freenet based usenet. Now before > everybody jumps on me and tells me I am stupid just please read the rest of > this idea. > > MODUS OPERANDI: > This system would work using a sequential KSKs(or some other more secure key > type), such has been used for feedback on various freenet sites. The header > and the body would be separated into two keys For an example, > sci.space.shuttle: > > Headers sequence: KS...@sc...uttle/h0 > KS...@sc...uttle/h1 > etc... > > Bodys sequence: KS...@sc...uttle/b0 > KS...@sc...uttle/b1 > etc... > > USE of the GROUPS: > The main message insert, header download, and body read classes would be > contained in freenet.jar. Then a person could modify a standard newsreader to > use mjr's freenet client protocol to access the classes in freenet.jar and > thus use Freenews as if it were a normal news server. > > CREATION of GROUPS: > A special SSK(?) based group called admin would be created. This group would > be used for people to suggest a group name and description - and then vote on > whether it should be created. If enough votes were collected for yes - the > group would automatically be created.(Not sure about this part) > > GROUP LIST: > A SSK DBR group list with names and descriptions could be maintained by a > admin for the Freenews system. (Unless there is a better way). > > CONTROL of SPAM and FLOODING: > To stop uncoordinated addition of new groups the FCP based system would only > allow access to groups that follow the correct heirachy. Spam would be > controlled by two key methods: > > 1. People would see the headers on the spam and not download them. This would > mean that the spam messages would drop out of the freenet pretty quickly. > > 2. Header lengths would be controlled at both the insert and receive ends to > stop people using the headers for advertising > > These measures would ensure that freenews would not be an effective thing to > spam. Flooding is harder to control. However I don't think it will be flooded > to much.(I hope) > > ROUTING OPTIMISATIONS: > As Freenet versions get better the Freenews system would become faster and > more reliable due to improvements in the routing of messages. Maybe a new key > type for Freenews could be developed to improve the usabilitity. > > OTHER IDEAS: > - PGP signing or some similiar method could be used to make sure that the > person you thought posted a message is actually the person who did. > - SPAM blocking by matching criteria like words like "MAKE MONEY FAST". > - A more efficient system of adding binaries to text posts. Replacement for > UUENCODING. The system could be based on metadata and stop the need for > multipart posts. > - No crossposting. > > I have discussed this idea with a few people in #freenet. You know who you > are.... :-). I was told Travis was working on this. Maybe I can help him out > or something. > > Anyway I think this would make freenet a lot more functional quickly and > needs to be looked at. Please don't make this yet another thing you look at > with FProxy. It needs it's own clients similiar to real newsgroups. > > David Findlay aka "redcliffe" > > P.S. I am not a member of the list, so please CC me your response. I would be > a member of the list - but I already get 200 messages a day. > > P.P.S Maybe these mailling lists could be the first things to run on > Freenews. e.g. freenet.devel, freenet.tech, etc! > > > _______________________________________________ > Eof-dev mailing list > Eo...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/eof-dev > |
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From: David F. <dav...@ya...> - 2001-04-20 11:45:49
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> I > also like Java. Oops sorry that should have been "I also like Perl". I don't know much Java although I have a huge book on it in my shelf here. :-) David |
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From: David F. <dav...@ya...> - 2001-04-20 11:40:07
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Hello I am new here - sorry no autographs -I am mainly a C++ programmer and I also like Java. I come in peace. Take me to your leader. See my proposal for Freenews. I posted that on freenet-dev and was told to come here and help you guys improve eof news. Do you guys think my Freenews ideas and/or Freenews name idea is good? I would like to help build eof news into something that works well and is used a lot. You will probably hear a lot from me for a while now, as I would like to get this going soon. ;-) David P.S. Is there an eof irc group? |
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From: David F. <dav...@ya...> - 2001-04-20 11:35:42
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I have thought of an idea that could make freenet a lot more useful. Basically the idea is a Freenews - a freenet based usenet. Now before everybody jumps on me and tells me I am stupid just please read the rest of this idea. MODUS OPERANDI: This system would work using a sequential KSKs(or some other more secure key type), such has been used for feedback on various freenet sites. The header and the body would be separated into two keys For an example, sci.space.shuttle: Headers sequence: KS...@sc...uttle/h0 KS...@sc...uttle/h1 etc... Bodys sequence: KS...@sc...uttle/b0 KS...@sc...uttle/b1 etc... USE of the GROUPS: The main message insert, header download, and body read classes would be contained in freenet.jar. Then a person could modify a standard newsreader to use mjr's freenet client protocol to access the classes in freenet.jar and thus use Freenews as if it were a normal news server. CREATION of GROUPS: A special SSK(?) based group called admin would be created. This group would be used for people to suggest a group name and description - and then vote on whether it should be created. If enough votes were collected for yes - the group would automatically be created.(Not sure about this part) GROUP LIST: A SSK DBR group list with names and descriptions could be maintained by a admin for the Freenews system. (Unless there is a better way). CONTROL of SPAM and FLOODING: To stop uncoordinated addition of new groups the FCP based system would only allow access to groups that follow the correct heirachy. Spam would be controlled by two key methods: 1. People would see the headers on the spam and not download them. This would mean that the spam messages would drop out of the freenet pretty quickly. 2. Header lengths would be controlled at both the insert and receive ends to stop people using the headers for advertising These measures would ensure that freenews would not be an effective thing to spam. Flooding is harder to control. However I don't think it will be flooded to much.(I hope) ROUTING OPTIMISATIONS: As Freenet versions get better the Freenews system would become faster and more reliable due to improvements in the routing of messages. Maybe a new key type for Freenews could be developed to improve the usabilitity. OTHER IDEAS: - PGP signing or some similiar method could be used to make sure that the person you thought posted a message is actually the person who did. - SPAM blocking by matching criteria like words like "MAKE MONEY FAST". - A more efficient system of adding binaries to text posts. Replacement for UUENCODING. The system could be based on metadata and stop the need for multipart posts. - No crossposting. I have discussed this idea with a few people in #freenet. You know who you are.... :-). I was told Travis was working on this. Maybe I can help him out or something. Anyway I think this would make freenet a lot more functional quickly and needs to be looked at. Please don't make this yet another thing you look at with FProxy. It needs it's own clients similiar to real newsgroups. David Findlay aka "redcliffe" P.S. I am not a member of the list, so please CC me your response. I would be a member of the list - but I already get 200 messages a day. P.P.S Maybe these mailling lists could be the first things to run on Freenews. e.g. freenet.devel, freenet.tech, etc! |
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From: Timm M. <ti...@ma...> - 2001-04-16 18:53:40
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OK, I've modified the APT web page to add your suggestions (and some much-needed error fixes) and uploaded the latest version of your script into CVS. Thanks! Timm Murray -------------------- Life is like a perl script: Really short and messy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "toad" <ma...@to...> To: <eo...@li...> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Eof-dev] apt-get over freenet > On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 04:59:28PM +0100, toad wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 10:25:40AM -0700, Timm Murray wrote: > > > Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more I believe it will be nessary to > > > work on the apt source to add a new Freenet meathod. Hacking this > > > functionality through FProxy was a good idea, but may not hold out over the > > > long run. > > Actually, it works. Please add the following to the apt-get-over-freenet page: > > woody contrib > > deb http://localhost:8081/SSK@OM31kEc7m2eXqjvMj2TClPhZUj8QAgE/debian/ woody contrib > > This will be updated on a daily basis, and has been inserted for today, > Oh, and you need to add application/x-debian-package to your fproxy > passthroughMimeTypes, which is (in 0.3.8.1+) in freenetrc under > services.fproxy.passthroughMimeTypes, in prior to that is in fproxyrc. > > > tomorrow, using attached script. But I agree that we should make an alternative > > mechanism as an apt method; it would allow some things I have been interested > > in (re splitting DEBs up into their subfiles to reduce duplication, make more > > incremental updating), and probably significantly increase performance by using > > MANY parallel connections (though the apt method should have an option for > > custom number of connections, no?). For the script to work you need the attached > > files too, as bash seems to be incapable of escaping an exclamation mark. And > > you need GJ's PutFiles. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "toad" <ma...@to...> > > > To: <eo...@li...> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 2:50 AM > > > Subject: [Eof-dev] apt-get over freenet > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to debug apt-get over freenet, using the woody contrib > > > distribution.Attached is the current version of fmirror.sh (uncomment the > > > obvious). apt > > > > doesn't seem to like fproxy, something wierd is happening. Any ideas? > > > > My /etc/apt/sources.list: > > > > deb http://localhost:8081/SSK@Q-A-nVpXAjA1KbrqnijuNihKSiYQAgE/debian/ > > > woody > > > > +contrib > > > > deb file:/usr/make/debian/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian woody main non-free > > > > deb file:/usr/make/debian/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/non-US woody/non-US > > > main > > > > +contrib non-free > -- > The road to Tycho is paved with good intentions > > _______________________________________________ > Eof-dev mailing list > Eo...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/eof-dev > |
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From: toad <ma...@to...> - 2001-04-15 16:38:21
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On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 04:59:28PM +0100, toad wrote: > On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 10:25:40AM -0700, Timm Murray wrote: > > Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more I believe it will be nessary to > > work on the apt source to add a new Freenet meathod. Hacking this > > functionality through FProxy was a good idea, but may not hold out over the > > long run. > Actually, it works. Please add the following to the apt-get-over-freenet page: > woody contrib > deb http://localhost:8081/SSK@OM31kEc7m2eXqjvMj2TClPhZUj8QAgE/debian/ woody contrib > This will be updated on a daily basis, and has been inserted for today, Oh, and you need to add application/x-debian-package to your fproxy passthroughMimeTypes, which is (in 0.3.8.1+) in freenetrc under services.fproxy.passthroughMimeTypes, in prior to that is in fproxyrc. > tomorrow, using attached script. But I agree that we should make an alternative > mechanism as an apt method; it would allow some things I have been interested > in (re splitting DEBs up into their subfiles to reduce duplication, make more > incremental updating), and probably significantly increase performance by using > MANY parallel connections (though the apt method should have an option for > custom number of connections, no?). For the script to work you need the attached > files too, as bash seems to be incapable of escaping an exclamation mark. And > you need GJ's PutFiles. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "toad" <ma...@to...> > > To: <eo...@li...> > > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 2:50 AM > > Subject: [Eof-dev] apt-get over freenet > > > > > > > I am trying to debug apt-get over freenet, using the woody contrib > > distribution.Attached is the current version of fmirror.sh (uncomment the > > obvious). apt > > > doesn't seem to like fproxy, something wierd is happening. Any ideas? > > > My /etc/apt/sources.list: > > > deb http://localhost:8081/SSK@Q-A-nVpXAjA1KbrqnijuNihKSiYQAgE/debian/ > > woody > > > +contrib > > > deb file:/usr/make/debian/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian woody main non-free > > > deb file:/usr/make/debian/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/non-US woody/non-US > > main > > > +contrib non-free -- The road to Tycho is paved with good intentions |
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From: toad <ma...@to...> - 2001-04-15 16:04:00
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On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 10:25:40AM -0700, Timm Murray wrote: > Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more I believe it will be nessary to > work on the apt source to add a new Freenet meathod. Hacking this > functionality through FProxy was a good idea, but may not hold out over the > long run. Actually, it works. Please add the following to the apt-get-over-freenet page: woody contrib deb http://localhost:8081/SSK@OM31kEc7m2eXqjvMj2TClPhZUj8QAgE/debian/ woody contrib This will be updated on a daily basis, and has been inserted for today, tomorrow, using attached script. But I agree that we should make an alternative mechanism as an apt method; it would allow some things I have been interested in (re splitting DEBs up into their subfiles to reduce duplication, make more incremental updating), and probably significantly increase performance by using MANY parallel connections (though the apt method should have an option for custom number of connections, no?). For the script to work you need the attached files too, as bash seems to be incapable of escaping an exclamation mark. And you need GJ's PutFiles. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "toad" <ma...@to...> > To: <eo...@li...> > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 2:50 AM > Subject: [Eof-dev] apt-get over freenet > > > > I am trying to debug apt-get over freenet, using the woody contrib > distribution.Attached is the current version of fmirror.sh (uncomment the > obvious). apt > > doesn't seem to like fproxy, something wierd is happening. Any ideas? > > My /etc/apt/sources.list: > > deb http://localhost:8081/SSK@Q-A-nVpXAjA1KbrqnijuNihKSiYQAgE/debian/ > woody > > +contrib > > deb file:/usr/make/debian/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian woody main non-free > > deb file:/usr/make/debian/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/non-US woody/non-US > main > > +contrib non-free > > -- > > The road to Tycho is paved with good intentions > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Eof-dev mailing list > Eo...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/eof-dev -- The road to Tycho is paved with good intentions |
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From: Timm M. <ti...@ma...> - 2001-04-15 15:22:19
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Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more I believe it will be nessary to work on the apt source to add a new Freenet meathod. Hacking this functionality through FProxy was a good idea, but may not hold out over the long run. Timm Murray -------------------- Life is like a perl script: Really short and messy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "toad" <ma...@to...> To: <eo...@li...> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 2:50 AM Subject: [Eof-dev] apt-get over freenet > I am trying to debug apt-get over freenet, using the woody contrib distribution.Attached is the current version of fmirror.sh (uncomment the obvious). apt > doesn't seem to like fproxy, something wierd is happening. Any ideas? > My /etc/apt/sources.list: > deb http://localhost:8081/SSK@Q-A-nVpXAjA1KbrqnijuNihKSiYQAgE/debian/ woody > +contrib > deb file:/usr/make/debian/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian woody main non-free > deb file:/usr/make/debian/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/non-US woody/non-US main > +contrib non-free > -- > The road to Tycho is paved with good intentions > |
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From: toad <ma...@to...> - 2001-04-15 10:16:39
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On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 10:50:46AM +0100, toad wrote: > I am trying to debug apt-get over freenet, using the woody contrib distribution.Attached is the current version of fmirror.sh (uncomment the obvious). apt > doesn't seem to like fproxy, something wierd is happening. Any ideas? > My /etc/apt/sources.list: > deb http://localhost:8081/SSK@Q-A-nVpXAjA1KbrqnijuNihKSiYQAgE/debian/ woody > +contrib > deb file:/usr/make/debian/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian woody main non-free > deb file:/usr/make/debian/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/non-US woody/non-US main > +contrib non-free OK I got it. Should make .gz's application/octet-stream. New script forthcoming. -- The road to Tycho is paved with good intentions |
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From: toad <ma...@to...> - 2001-04-15 09:51:44
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I am trying to debug apt-get over freenet, using the woody contrib distribution.Attached is the current version of fmirror.sh (uncomment the obvious). apt doesn't seem to like fproxy, something wierd is happening. Any ideas? My /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://localhost:8081/SSK@Q-A-nVpXAjA1KbrqnijuNihKSiYQAgE/debian/ woody +contrib deb file:/usr/make/debian/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian woody main non-free deb file:/usr/make/debian/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/non-US woody/non-US main +contrib non-free -- The road to Tycho is paved with good intentions |
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From: Timm M. <ad...@ma...> - 2001-04-05 15:06:40
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon" <bl...@ut...> To: <eo...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Eof-dev] Building Packages > > So, I'm going to move some stuff around in CVS and build some > > packages. I'm thinking we have 4 distinct packages right now: > > > > * EOF-Mail: SMTP and POP daemons > > * EOF-News: NNTP daemon > > * EOF-Chat: Chat client > > * EOF-DNS: DNS daemon > > Sounds good to me. I'm about done with my generic Freenet Gaming > architecture, but I don't know if that's something you would want to > release. Because, really, who's going to want to write games over > Freenet? That's just crazy. Actualy, I e-mailed the guy writeing PalmPGN (palmpgn.sourceforge.net), which is a chess game for PalmOS that can handle PGN files. I'm taking a look at some of the code now. There is a small HTTP library under the Artistic liscense for PalmOS (http://www.chronologic.se/Palm/httptester.html), so we can add HTTP and Freenet (via FProxy) support at the same time. It would work by putting the move in on PlamPGN's chess board, adding it to the PGN file, then (upon the next HotSync, or immediately if the user has a PPP connection on their device) sending it over HTTP to either a Freenet subspace or a web site. ------------- $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c ^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_% 16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$ h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d>>12^$d>>4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval |
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From: Timm M. <ad...@ma...> - 2001-04-04 22:27:36
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I have no problem with this. Be warned that the DNS stuff most likely won't
compile at all. Once I figure out a new way to do DNS over Freenet securely
(was going to use KSKs, but thats out now), I'm moving a lot of that stuff
over to a pre-made DNS in java.
-------------
$_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c
^=(
$m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%
16
-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$
h
=5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$
d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d>>12^$d>>4^
$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^
(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Bad" <mr...@pi...>
To: <eo...@li...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:18 PM
Subject: [Eof-dev] Building Packages
> So, I'm going to move some stuff around in CVS and build some
> packages. I'm thinking we have 4 distinct packages right now:
>
> * EOF-Mail: SMTP and POP daemons
> * EOF-News: NNTP daemon
> * EOF-Chat: Chat client
> * EOF-DNS: DNS daemon
>
> I'd like to assemble these into downloadable packages. I'm planning on
> doing one directory for the first 3 (since they all use common libs),
> and another one for EOF-DNS.
>
> So it'll start to look like this:
>
> /eof
> build.xml
> /src
> /eof
> /pop
> /smtp
> /news
> /...
>
> /dns
> build.xml
> ...
>
> Objections? I've been threatening to do this for months, but I haven't
> got around to it. Now I want to start sending mail over Freenet and
> freenetmail is getting woefully out of date, so I want this stuff to
> be available and easy.
>
> ~Mr. Bad
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Mr. Bad <mr...@pi...> | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/
> freenet:MSK@SSK@u1AntQcZ81Y4c2tJKd1M87cZvPoQAge/pigdog+journal//
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> _______________________________________________
> Eof-dev mailing list
> Eo...@li...
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/eof-dev
>
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From: Brandon <bl...@ut...> - 2001-04-04 20:23:00
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> So, I'm going to move some stuff around in CVS and build some > packages. I'm thinking we have 4 distinct packages right now: > > * EOF-Mail: SMTP and POP daemons > * EOF-News: NNTP daemon > * EOF-Chat: Chat client > * EOF-DNS: DNS daemon Sounds good to me. I'm about done with my generic Freenet Gaming architecture, but I don't know if that's something you would want to release. Because, really, who's going to want to write games over Freenet? That's just crazy. I like the source tree restructuring, too. |
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From: Mr. B. <mr...@pi...> - 2001-04-04 20:17:47
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So, I'm going to move some stuff around in CVS and build some
packages. I'm thinking we have 4 distinct packages right now:
* EOF-Mail: SMTP and POP daemons
* EOF-News: NNTP daemon
* EOF-Chat: Chat client
* EOF-DNS: DNS daemon
I'd like to assemble these into downloadable packages. I'm planning on
doing one directory for the first 3 (since they all use common libs),
and another one for EOF-DNS.
So it'll start to look like this:
/eof
build.xml
/src
/eof
/pop
/smtp
/news
/...
/dns
build.xml
...
Objections? I've been threatening to do this for months, but I haven't
got around to it. Now I want to start sending mail over Freenet and
freenetmail is getting woefully out of date, so I want this stuff to
be available and easy.
~Mr. Bad
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mr. Bad <mr...@pi...> | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/
freenet:MSK@SSK@u1AntQcZ81Y4c2tJKd1M87cZvPoQAge/pigdog+journal//
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Timm M. <ad...@ma...> - 2001-03-09 16:06:43
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New version commited. Hey Brandan, can we get this guy CVS accsess?
$_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c
^=(
$m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%
16
-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$
h
=5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$
d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d>>12^$d>>4^
$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^
(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Toseland" <mto...@ca...>
To: <eof...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Eof-chat] apt-get: maintainer application?
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:42:59PM +0000, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:07:09PM +0000, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > > First installment is attached. Remaining issues:
> > > symlinks
> > > pruning (I have a pruner, but must check it works)
> > > use an SSK
> > > use date-updating redirects on Packages and Packages.gz
> > > actually test the results
> > Attached is new script with 2 definitive solutions to the symlinks
problem.
> Well, maybe not. The correct solution is to parse Packages and fetch and
insert
> only those files referenced therein. Attached script also inserts into a
> subspace; you must create one first (freenet_insert -makeKeypair >
key.txt).
> --
> The road to Tycho is paved with good intentions...
>
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From: Matthew T. <mto...@ca...> - 2001-03-08 23:57:49
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Sorry, this is more appropriate for eof-dev. -- The road to Tycho is paved with good intentions... |
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From: Timm M. <ad...@ma...> - 2001-03-08 00:01:43
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Java is really quite nice, much cleaner then C++. It does eat memory and CPU, though. Thats why I'd like to do all my stuff in Java with a machine-code compiler (GCJ). I do hate its file libraries, though. What a mess. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Reiser" <ki...@br...> To: <eo...@li...> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Eof-dev] current mail specs > Well.., I have not been able to find the specs, so I can only guess that > folks aren't really interested in anything other than what you > currently have. BTW, the more I deal with java, the more I'm sure > that as a computer language it's a bit of a pig. > > Kirk > > -- > > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility > e-mail: ki...@br... University of Western Ontario > phone: (519) 661-3061 > > _______________________________________________ > Eof-dev mailing list > Eo...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/eof-dev > |
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From: Kirk R. <ki...@br...> - 2001-03-06 02:21:33
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Well.., I have not been able to find the specs, so I can only guess that folks aren't really interested in anything other than what you currently have. BTW, the more I deal with java, the more I'm sure that as a computer language it's a bit of a pig. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: ki...@br... University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 |
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From: Timm M. <ad...@ma...> - 2001-03-06 00:33:13
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Brandon wrote on 2/28/01 5:17 pm: >I see your concern. However,=20 >I really must encourage you=20 >to use Java for prototyping=20 >your system and then write=20 >a more efficient C version=20 >later. I only say this because=20 >the Java version will stay up=20 >to date with changes in the=20 >protocol whereas other=20 >versions will lag annoyingly=20 >far behind. But if you don't=20 >have a machine that will run=20 >Java fast enough then you=20 >have no other choice. Yes, thats why I'm leaning twards a GCJ compile =0A= Timm Murray=0A= =0A= -----------=0A= Great spirits have allways encountered violent opposition from mediocre = minds=0A= --Albert Einstein |
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From: Brandon <bl...@ut...> - 2001-03-01 01:15:48
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> I've been thinking about some various things I'd like to do for a future > release of FNS. I'm worried that Java would not allow for efficient > operations on a 486 as is possible with regular DNS servers. I see your concern. However, I really must encourage you to use Java for prototyping your system and then write a more efficient C version later. I only say this because the Java version will stay up to date with changes in the protocol whereas other versions will lag annoyingly far behind. But if you don't have a machine that will run Java fast enough then you have no other choice. > Even if you can, though, I'm leaning twards a full GCJ compile. > I rather deal with a buggy compiler then port all that code. If that would work then that would be great as it has the same benefit that I'm stressing. |
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From: Timm M. <ad...@ma...> - 2001-03-01 00:10:24
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Well, you know that downsizing VA Linux Systems is going through? . . . Kirk Reiser wrote on 2/22/01 7:18 am: >Well, the mail archive has=20 >one month listed, December=20 >with a total of one article=20 >only mentioning that you=20 >put freenetmail in cvs. It=20 >would appear that it won't=20 >post January's archive until=20 >the end of the month. No=20 >wait a minute, this is almost=20 >the end of February, okay >I'll play, where have the=20 >archives gone? > > Kirk > >_____________________________ >__________________ Eof-dev=20 >mailing list >Eo...@li...urceforge.n >et >http://lists.sourceforge.net/ >lists/listinfo/eof-dev=20 =0A= Timm Murray=0A= =0A= -----------=0A= Great spirits have allways encountered violent opposition from mediocre = minds=0A= --Albert Einstein |
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From: Timm M. <ad...@ma...> - 2001-03-01 00:10:24
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Brandon wrote on 2/21/01 8:20 pm: >It's imperative to write=20 >everything in Java so that=20 >the library we use can keep=20 >up with the rapidly changing=20 >Freenet protocol. If you want=20 >to implement it in C that=20 >would be cool. You can use=20 >libfreenet, the Freenet =20 >client library. It should be=20 >pretty easy to write in C and=20 >libfreenet is expected to not=20 >lag *too* far behind the=20 >reference implementation. I've been thinking about some various things I'd like to do for a future = release of FNS. I'm worried that Java would not allow for efficient operations on a 486 as is possible with regular DNS servers. So, I have several choices: --GCJ. Will not require any effort to port (but if Mark's experiance is any indication, it might not be easy). --C/C++ with native libraries. Have to port all the code and libraries=20 may lag too far behind fred. --C/C++ with javah libs. Solves library lag problems, but=20 only partialy solves the speed problem (which is the whole point of this exersise). Still have to port code. I've also never tried=20 using javah before. Mark is on this list, right? Mark, do you know if it's possible to use GCJ-fred as a C/C++ lib? If so, I might try that route. Even if you can, though, I'm leaning twards a full GCJ compile. I rather deal with a buggy compiler then port all that code. =0A= Timm Murray=0A= =0A= -----------=0A= Great spirits have allways encountered violent opposition from mediocre = minds=0A= --Albert Einstein |
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From: Mark J. R. <mj...@st...> - 2001-02-23 17:27:40
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On 23 Feb 2001, Kirk Reiser wrote: > "Mark J. Roberts" <mj...@st...> writes: > > > Yes. Not for a while, don't plan on it any time soon. > > Hmmm, I sort of suspected that after experimenting trying to update an > SVK. BTW, nice job on the MSK support. Could you use a KSK to point > to an MSK which contained SVKs to accomplish the same basic thing? > You could create a new SVK and then update the NSK to contain the new > SVK? The only updating we have is date-based (the SSK URI is changed to reflect the most recent update, which happens a certain preset interval). MSK support was hardly a nice job. Ask GJ, who fixed several stupid errors after release. :-) > > http://thalassocracy.org/ > > Thanx, this looks very interesting. I won't tell you about my week's worth of terrors with pthreads and libfreenet, and how many annoying emails SAH has received... -- Mark Roberts mj...@st... |
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From: Kirk R. <ki...@br...> - 2001-02-23 17:18:37
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"Mark J. Roberts" <mj...@st...> writes: > Yes. Not for a while, don't plan on it any time soon. Hmmm, I sort of suspected that after experimenting trying to update an SVK. BTW, nice job on the MSK support. Could you use a KSK to point to an MSK which contained SVKs to accomplish the same basic thing? You could create a new SVK and then update the NSK to contain the new SVK? > http://thalassocracy.org/ Thanx, this looks very interesting. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: ki...@br... University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 |
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From: Mark J. R. <mj...@st...> - 2001-02-23 16:37:13
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Kirk Reiser wrote: > Hi again folks: Well, I looked through the archives for January and > February but didn't find any discussion of the mail or smtp specs. I > saw references to the smtp modules in cvs which I haven't looked for > yet. I couldn't manage to find a December archive though. I don't > find the geocrawler linking convention intuitive either. I found the > 2001 arives available at lists/3/SourceForge/8627/2001 but there > didn't seem to be an entry for 2000 at least under the > lists/3/SourceForge/8627/2000 structure. I tried to do a couple of > searches with the search feature but it seems useless. It couldn't > even find anything with mail. > > I have take a preliminary look through the cvs mail module though. It > appears that all of the freenet specific stuff is in download.java, is > that correct? Also reading through the other messages seemed to > indicate that SVKs are actually not updatable yet. Is that true? Yes. Not for a while, don't plan on it any time soon. > I have seen a number of references to freenetlib and libfreenet. Are > these separate packages? I looked through the freenetlib directory in > cvs and it appears to be python. Yet Mark and Brandon made reference > to a c library interface. Where might I find this library? http://thalassocracy.org/ -- Mark Roberts mj...@st... |
