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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-08-04 16:27:17
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On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 03:55, Webmaster wrote: > No, I don't and lots of Belgium and Netherlands users don't agree the URL > like www.belgium.envolution.com. > > If I can not stay whit this URL www.envolution.be I will stop as official > support. > > Not a pointing toward, I will have to keep my freedom for my own support. > > No response a mend a another thing so we misunderstand > > Sorry for my bad English > Your domain of envolution.be still remains intact..nothing changes that. All we are doing is ADDING belgium.envolution.com/net/org/info/biz thats all. It removes no freedom from you at all. But if you wish to not be recognized as official begium/netherland support site then that is your right and we will honor it. However adding reduandant domains to reach your server seems to me to be a positive thing. Zoom |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-08-04 16:08:32
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On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 03:02, Sjahrazad Alamsjah wrote: > sjah support manager > sourceforge login: bmintra > Indonesian Support Site: www.uiarch.org > OK CVS account updated so log in and make sure all works for you please. Also I've updated the envo.com site and added you back in to staff catagory..you've alsway been listed as the support manager, so both ranks are updated and current now. I'll contact you on forwarding a subdomain to you. Zoom |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-08-04 15:56:07
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On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 02:49, Romeo Bandinelli wrote: > > > And what about http://bug.envolution.com and > > http://bug.envolution.it, that > > > are on my machine? > > > > What about them? You have to understand I do not have ESP and I > > cannot > > take care of issues that nobody communicates to me. Max never once > > mentioned tansferring the envolution.it domain and in fact I assumed > > he > > would keep it and run the Italian International website. As for > > bug.envolution.com that can be redirected very easily. Except no one > > has > > given me a FQDN or IP address to forward it to! > > xxx.envolution.it will remain in our server and will continue to work. > If you want to continue to use bug.envolution.com ( Mantis 0.18.0a3 ) > you can put the dns to 212.131.193.51. > Mail me a password and I'll set up a new admin password for you. > If you want to transfer it on your servers, just tell me, and I'll > dump the database to you. > Thanks for the reply Cino. I'll setup DNS to point to that IP. I personally do not need admin password. But ApathyBoy and Stefan will I believe. Zoom |
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From: Andrei K. <ak...@ho...> - 2003-08-04 15:37:18
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Hi Luca, Hi everybody. My name is Andrei, nickname akenvolution. I am from Moscow, Russia. My daytime job has nothing to do with programming :). As for what I want from Envolution, I want a platform that a hobby PHP programmer/webmaster can use to run his/her personal website. I want easy administration, easy installation on shared hosting, as much of reusable code as possible, things like comments, ratings, categories, workflow should be shared among all modules so I don't have to code these functions over and over again for each module separately. For output, I want templates, because I don't like header left center right footer layout at all :). Also, I want to be able to access my site through a cellphone using WEP or a browser (like in Nokia 3650 and upcoming 6600 :)). But what I want even more, is a nice, laid back development atmosphere :). I don't care for titles, positions and all that stuff. But I do want structure and rules for decision making, CVS commits and everything else. That is basically it :) Best Regards, ak |
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From: gagl <ca...@fr...> - 2003-08-04 15:12:50
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Hi, I'm capretta: I was doc manger before, I'm in staff of envolution.it and was working = on the eNDP (eNvolution Documentation Project): maybe the new MP and all = the new 4 developers (nothing personal....) and alive-again founders = don't know, but Zoom knows how things went in this year and what has = been stated and created.=20 You maybe ask what's going on now with all "TiMax followers" as someone = wrote on this ML.... Ok, many things changed, and you new staff seem to be the only that = doesn't understand: maybe if you read ML of the last year you would = understand more how we were organized, not always by written rules:=20 THIS COMUNITY WORKED AND GROWED AND WAS RULED MOSTLY BY CONFIDENCE. And = this politics, the best one in Open source voluntary projects, worked = fine: because we had a PM that left us free to create and develop on = little projects, made by groups, with personal contacts, other ML, with = all tools we needed, but we had ALWAYS support, reliance and respect on = and by our MP. Evreything was reported to him, who was the center of all = single projects. We call it coordination and organization if needed: = that's what a PM has to do.=20 Nearly 12000 users, have you seen our Forums on envo.it? our Statistics? = All the users asked, helped in making better this CMS: they feel it, and = had confidence in us, and we had in them. The staff tried then to = satisfy these needs of the users, and spontaneously things were = developed and bugs fixed: that's a comunity, based on confidence and = respect.=20 This until last week: we expected the new PM would first see how things = work (because Apatyboy has no idea about how envolution works and he = showed it with his behaviour), then speak with everybody, and then = programming the future.=20 He managed only, until now, to make a nonsense vision, that we, from the = italian support side, haven't translated, because it cracks the promises = and the expectations of the 12000 users we have, thinking: maybe he = stepped on a bullshit, how we say in italy. Then the rest went how = nobody of us expected:=20 Maybe you don't know, but we all continue to use these not appropriate = channels to comunicate: other ML, mails, chats, there is an uprisal not = only from some staff members, but much more from the users against new = politics of the new leaders and staff. See it on the local sites, come = to visit please envolution.it, comments, forums, users and staff members = that compromise themeselves with their companies to follow envolution = project, in confidence, believed in it, and now see unknown names = making rules in an afternoon on saturday on august between them, 4-5 new = staff men.=20 Is it not a signal for you all, and much more for you, Zoom, you're in = it since some months, that some supports left, other are discussing to = leave, developers banned, other censored...... has it never happened = before? OK, maybe we are all foolish and childish: but you, is your = coscience clear? Let's then make a saint of you..... I work on open source because i like to do it with people, with whom I = work fine and in confidence ( this word is the reason of all happened): = so all of us spent their free time on this project, between friends: I = don't remember a flame between staff members nor resignments on = envolution.....Now I don't have this feeling: I don't want to work under = the command of unknown people, I don't do this neither in my private = job....you decide new rules about ENISS (you all know what it is?) = without hearing who was working on it, only after a meeting between you = 4-5 new team.....don't be surprised if people called you = dispotic....that's not the way to handle and coordinate a comunity that = is used to work in freedom and CONFIDENCE. I don't want to start flames with nobody, this mail is only another = trying to make you understand why this all is happening, but maybe Zoom, = the laywer, will find an offensive word or statement in this mail and = build all the defence on that single word and not on the sense of = discussion....we hoped at least on you, who knows how envo works, but = you seemed to be elsewhere..... This is my resignment from doc manger, but I think, you decided it = before, since you cancelled all positions from the site.... But I will continue in envolution.it staff, with the other staff and the = thousands of members, in harmony and CONFIDENCE. Best regards, Angelo Gagliani staff envolution.it |
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From: Webmaster <e0...@ho...> - 2003-08-04 12:35:02
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I present myself, CoolOs, I were the webmaster of envo-Canada.=20 I say well were bus has my great surprise this site does not exist more. = While further excavating I see that that of France has undergoes the = same fate.=20 The least of the things would have been to inform before closed sites.=20 Cheer for the French-speaking support=20 CoolOs |
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From: <s.k...@pr...> - 2003-08-04 10:03:31
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windmeup, development and support 1 of 3 webmasters of eNvolution.de Stefan aka WindMeUp > On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:13:42 -0500, Eric Barr wrote > > Hello everyone, > > > > This is a roll call for all the current Staff Members (all of those people > > who held staff positions before TiMax stepped down last week). I > > would like for all of you to keep your positions here at Envolution > > but I need to compile a list of everybody and what their positions > > are so that we can give admin rights back to those who wish to > > remain and hold positions. > > > > So if you could just reply to this with your name, contact > > information and the position you hold I would appreciate it. After I > > have everybody we'll figure out if there are any positions that need > > filling, and I will also be getting in contact with each of you > individually. > > > > I also ask that you reply to this in the next 3 days so that we can > > all get back to work as soon as possible! > > > > Thanks for your time and effort! > > > > Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) > > Project Manager - Envolution > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites > > including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are > > available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual > > Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click- > url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > > _______________________________________________ > > Envolution-devel mailing list > > Env...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > > > > Best regards, > sjah > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: Webmaster <web...@en...> - 2003-08-04 08:54:20
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No, I don't and lots of Belgium and Netherlands users don't agree the URL like www.belgium.envolution.com. If I can not stay whit this URL www.envolution.be I will stop as official support. Not a pointing toward, I will have to keep my freedom for my own support. No response a mend a another thing so we misunderstand Sorry for my bad English ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Eric Barr" <apa...@xe...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Envolution-devel] Calling all Staff Members! > Hello, > I do not understand your actions here. You said that there was no respo= nse > back from me? Yesterday you and I spoke in email with each other and > everything seemed fine then and you were ok with all of this. If you co= uld > let me know what changed between now and then it would help me to bette= r > understand. The last I had heard from you directly was this message earlier > yesterday. > > Oke thanks I will keep up the good work no problem. > Greetings from Belgium and the Netherlands > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Eric Barr" <apa...@xe...> > To: "Webmaster" <web...@en...> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: Hello support managers > > > > There will be no need for you to register the > > http://www.belgium.envolution.com yourself. We will do this for you a= nd > > point it towards http://www.envolution.be for free. Just keep up the good > > work! I hope this helps :) > > > > Thanks for your support and I look forward to talking to you again! > > > > Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) > > Project Manager - Envolution > > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Webmaster" <web...@en...> > > To: "Eric Barr" <apa...@xe...> > > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:50 AM > > Subject: Re: Hello support managers > > > > > > Hello > > > > Here the eNvolution support from Belgium and the Netherlands > > > > If I understand you well must we register another domain like > > http://www.belgium.envolution.com to stay an Official Envolution > > International Websites? > > > > My Official Envolution International Websites is now > > http://www.envolution.be > > > > If I not register http://www.belgium.envolution.com I am not an Offic= ial > > Envolution International Websites anymore is this correct? > > > > I do the Dutch translation and support for Belgium & Netherlands from= in > the > > beginning of eNvolution, I spend much free time in it (12h a day) and > money > > have 2 domains for eNvolution http://www.envonet.be and > > http://www.envonet.be (for testing) when I must register new domains then > I > > must step out the support, I can not pay more domains then I have sor= ry. > > > > When I can keep my domains I will glad to do the support further one. > > > > Thanks on advance eNvolution Belgium & Netherlands. > > > > Rudiger De Wolf (RDW) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Eric Barr" <apa...@xe...> > > To: <abd...@ya...>; <as...@as...>; > > <web...@en...>; <sja...@Ba...>; > > <sul...@bi...>; <ti...@au...>; <nu...@en...>; > > <ti...@en...>; <anu...@ho...>; <s.k...@pr...= >; > > "Scott Kindley" <cki...@iu...> > > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:57 AM > > Subject: Hello support managers > > > > > > > Hello Support Managers, > > > > > > Sorry that it has taken me some time to get in contact with you all= , as > > you > > > are probably aware things have been pretty crazy this last week. I would > > > like to talk to you all and answer any questions/concerns that you = and > > your > > > respective communities might have as to what exactly is going on. Maybe > we > > > can work to bring some order back :) > > > > > > If you could each translate this attached message in your respectiv= e > > > languages so that all the community can read this news, I would > appreciate > > > it. Most of you have already been following these guidelines and th= is > news > > > is just meant to standardize how we all interact with each other an= d > > > hopefully bring us all closer together. Communication between everybody > is > > > very important, I don't want anybody to feel left out. > > > > > > Also, if you see that I've left any of the Support Managers out ple= ase > let > > > me know so that I can add them to my list. > > > > > > Thanks everyone and I hope to talk to you soon! > > > > > > Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) > > > Project Manager - Envolution > > > > > > > > > So I am not sure what you are talking about. Please contact me so we ca= n > work anything out. > > Thanks > > Eric Barr > Project Manager - Envolution > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Webmaster" <web...@en...> > To: <env...@li...> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Envolution-devel] Calling all Staff Members! > > > Hello > > I'm the webmaster of the Belgium and Netherlands Official Support Site for > eNvolution. > > I would ask you to remove my site from the list of the Official eNvolut= ion > Support. > > I was a Bit fast to reregister the Belgium and Netherlands Support site back > as Official Support Site for eNvolution. > > Also there came no response back maybe I'm not interesting enough for > eNvolution. > > I and my users can not agree whit the terms you ask for the URL (a poin= t of > freedom) > > I have spent a lot of time and money in it and was from in the beginnin= g in > eNvolution. > > I think also the redirecting of previous > > Sites' URLs to the new ones like "www.germany.envolution.com" is not a good > idea, mostly because any eNvonet site webmaster wouldn't have any warra= nty > > The site would not be redirected to the other site if he makes somethin= g you > don't like. > > When I can stay and do the support on my own URL www.envolution.be, I w= ill > glad to stay and do the support feather on. > > I'm not going to stop my site but I want to support eNvolution for the > Belgium and Netherlands community unofficially and in my own way. > > I don't think I will lose anything doing this, you are too busy only wi= th > your inner accounts to serve any help to International supporters. > > A lot of users have not agreed with the politics and disclaiming the > Official Support I just earned popularity and more active user's > contribution in the > > site development. > > I consider also that after TiMax leaving you should show you can mainta= in > everything what has been done up to now, and not to make the revolution > > changing everything possible - eNvolution is has not yet the position strong > enough to lose the popularity among regular users and community members. > > On the end I would like to tell that I'm not going to judge or attack > anybody personally. > > This is only my private opinion of the recent eNvolution situati=EBn. > > Best regards and good luck > > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Eric Barr" <eri...@sb...> > To: <env...@li...> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:13 PM > Subject: [Envolution-devel] Calling all Staff Members! > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > This is a roll call for all the current Staff Members (all of those people > > who held staff positions before TiMax stepped down last week). I woul= d > like > > for all of you to keep your positions here at Envolution but I need t= o > > compile a list of everybody and what their positions are so that we c= an > give > > admin rights back to those who wish to remain and hold positions. > > > > So if you could just reply to this with your name, contact informatio= n and > > the position you hold I would appreciate it. After I have everybody we'll > > figure out if there are any positions that need filling, and I will a= lso > be > > getting in contact with each of you individually. > > > > I also ask that you reply to this in the next 3 days so that we can a= ll > get > > back to work as soon as possible! > > > > Thanks for your time and effort! > > > > Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) > > Project Manager - Envolution > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites includin= g > > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > > > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/= 01 > > _______________________________________________ > > Envolution-devel mailing list > > Env...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/= 01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/= 01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > |
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From: Eric B. <apa...@xe...> - 2003-08-04 08:21:05
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Hello, I do not understand your actions here. You said that there was no response back from me? Yesterday you and I spoke in email with each other and everything seemed fine then and you were ok with all of this. If you could let me know what changed between now and then it would help me to better understand. The last I had heard from you directly was this message earlier yesterday. Oke thanks I will keep up the good work no problem. Greetings from Belgium and the Netherlands ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Barr" <apa...@xe...> To: "Webmaster" <web...@en...> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Hello support managers > There will be no need for you to register the > http://www.belgium.envolution.com yourself. We will do this for you and > point it towards http://www.envolution.be for free. Just keep up the good > work! I hope this helps :) > > Thanks for your support and I look forward to talking to you again! > > Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) > Project Manager - Envolution > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Webmaster" <web...@en...> > To: "Eric Barr" <apa...@xe...> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: Hello support managers > > > Hello > > Here the eNvolution support from Belgium and the Netherlands > > If I understand you well must we register another domain like > http://www.belgium.envolution.com to stay an Official Envolution > International Websites? > > My Official Envolution International Websites is now > http://www.envolution.be > > If I not register http://www.belgium.envolution.com I am not an Official > Envolution International Websites anymore is this correct? > > I do the Dutch translation and support for Belgium & Netherlands from in the > beginning of eNvolution, I spend much free time in it (12h a day) and money > have 2 domains for eNvolution http://www.envonet.be and > http://www.envonet.be (for testing) when I must register new domains then I > must step out the support, I can not pay more domains then I have sorry. > > When I can keep my domains I will glad to do the support further one. > > Thanks on advance eNvolution Belgium & Netherlands. > > Rudiger De Wolf (RDW) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Barr" <apa...@xe...> > To: <abd...@ya...>; <as...@as...>; > <web...@en...>; <sja...@Ba...>; > <sul...@bi...>; <ti...@au...>; <nu...@en...>; > <ti...@en...>; <anu...@ho...>; <s.k...@pr...>; > "Scott Kindley" <cki...@iu...> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:57 AM > Subject: Hello support managers > > > > Hello Support Managers, > > > > Sorry that it has taken me some time to get in contact with you all, as > you > > are probably aware things have been pretty crazy this last week. I would > > like to talk to you all and answer any questions/concerns that you and > your > > respective communities might have as to what exactly is going on. Maybe we > > can work to bring some order back :) > > > > If you could each translate this attached message in your respective > > languages so that all the community can read this news, I would appreciate > > it. Most of you have already been following these guidelines and this news > > is just meant to standardize how we all interact with each other and > > hopefully bring us all closer together. Communication between everybody is > > very important, I don't want anybody to feel left out. > > > > Also, if you see that I've left any of the Support Managers out please let > > me know so that I can add them to my list. > > > > Thanks everyone and I hope to talk to you soon! > > > > Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) > > Project Manager - Envolution > > > > So I am not sure what you are talking about. Please contact me so we can work anything out. Thanks Eric Barr Project Manager - Envolution ----- Original Message ----- From: "Webmaster" <web...@en...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [Envolution-devel] Calling all Staff Members! Hello I'm the webmaster of the Belgium and Netherlands Official Support Site for eNvolution. I would ask you to remove my site from the list of the Official eNvolution Support. I was a Bit fast to reregister the Belgium and Netherlands Support site back as Official Support Site for eNvolution. Also there came no response back maybe I'm not interesting enough for eNvolution. I and my users can not agree whit the terms you ask for the URL (a point of freedom) I have spent a lot of time and money in it and was from in the beginning in eNvolution. I think also the redirecting of previous Sites' URLs to the new ones like "www.germany.envolution.com" is not a good idea, mostly because any eNvonet site webmaster wouldn't have any warranty The site would not be redirected to the other site if he makes something you don't like. When I can stay and do the support on my own URL www.envolution.be, I will glad to stay and do the support feather on. I'm not going to stop my site but I want to support eNvolution for the Belgium and Netherlands community unofficially and in my own way. I don't think I will lose anything doing this, you are too busy only with your inner accounts to serve any help to International supporters. A lot of users have not agreed with the politics and disclaiming the Official Support I just earned popularity and more active user's contribution in the site development. I consider also that after TiMax leaving you should show you can maintain everything what has been done up to now, and not to make the revolution changing everything possible - eNvolution is has not yet the position strong enough to lose the popularity among regular users and community members. On the end I would like to tell that I'm not going to judge or attack anybody personally. This is only my private opinion of the recent eNvolution situatiën. Best regards and good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Barr" <eri...@sb...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: [Envolution-devel] Calling all Staff Members! > Hello everyone, > > This is a roll call for all the current Staff Members (all of those people > who held staff positions before TiMax stepped down last week). I would like > for all of you to keep your positions here at Envolution but I need to > compile a list of everybody and what their positions are so that we can give > admin rights back to those who wish to remain and hold positions. > > So if you could just reply to this with your name, contact information and > the position you hold I would appreciate it. After I have everybody we'll > figure out if there are any positions that need filling, and I will also be > getting in contact with each of you individually. > > I also ask that you reply to this in the next 3 days so that we can all get > back to work as soon as possible! > > Thanks for your time and effort! > > Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) > Project Manager - Envolution > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: Webmaster <web...@en...> - 2003-08-04 08:09:39
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Hello I'm the webmaster of the Belgium and Netherlands Official Support Site f= or eNvolution. I would ask you to remove my site from the list of the Official eNvolutio= n Support. I was a Bit fast to reregister the Belgium and Netherlands Support site b= ack as Official Support Site for eNvolution. Also there came no response back maybe I'm not interesting enough for eNvolution. I and my users can not agree whit the terms you ask for the URL (a point = of freedom) I have spent a lot of time and money in it and was from in the beginning = in eNvolution. I think also the redirecting of previous Sites' URLs to the new ones like "www.germany.envolution.com" is not a go= od idea, mostly because any eNvonet site webmaster wouldn't have any warrant= y The site would not be redirected to the other site if he makes something = you don't like. When I can stay and do the support on my own URL www.envolution.be, I wil= l glad to stay and do the support feather on. I'm not going to stop my site but I want to support eNvolution for the Belgium and Netherlands community unofficially and in my own way. I don't think I will lose anything doing this, you are too busy only with your inner accounts to serve any help to International supporters. A lot of users have not agreed with the politics and disclaiming the Official Support I just earned popularity and more active user's contribution in the site development. I consider also that after TiMax leaving you should show you can maintain everything what has been done up to now, and not to make the revolution changing everything possible - eNvolution is has not yet the position str= ong enough to lose the popularity among regular users and community members. On the end I would like to tell that I'm not going to judge or attack anybody personally. This is only my private opinion of the recent eNvolution situati=EBn. Best regards and good luck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Eric Barr" <eri...@sb...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: [Envolution-devel] Calling all Staff Members! > Hello everyone, > > This is a roll call for all the current Staff Members (all of those peo= ple > who held staff positions before TiMax stepped down last week). I would like > for all of you to keep your positions here at Envolution but I need to > compile a list of everybody and what their positions are so that we can give > admin rights back to those who wish to remain and hold positions. > > So if you could just reply to this with your name, contact information = and > the position you hold I would appreciate it. After I have everybody we'= ll > figure out if there are any positions that need filling, and I will als= o be > getting in contact with each of you individually. > > I also ask that you reply to this in the next 3 days so that we can all get > back to work as soon as possible! > > Thanks for your time and effort! > > Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) > Project Manager - Envolution > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/= 01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > |
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From: Sjahrazad A. <sja...@ba...> - 2003-08-04 08:02:48
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sjah support manager sourceforge login: bmintra Indonesian Support Site: www.uiarch.org On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:13:42 -0500, Eric Barr wrote > Hello everyone, > > This is a roll call for all the current Staff Members (all of those people > who held staff positions before TiMax stepped down last week). I > would like for all of you to keep your positions here at Envolution > but I need to compile a list of everybody and what their positions > are so that we can give admin rights back to those who wish to > remain and hold positions. > > So if you could just reply to this with your name, contact > information and the position you hold I would appreciate it. After I > have everybody we'll figure out if there are any positions that need > filling, and I will also be getting in contact with each of you individually. > > I also ask that you reply to this in the next 3 days so that we can > all get back to work as soon as possible! > > Thanks for your time and effort! > > Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) > Project Manager - Envolution > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites > including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are > available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual > Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click- url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel Best regards, sjah |
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From: Romeo B. <li...@op...> - 2003-08-04 07:50:03
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<html> <body> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>> And what about <a href="http://bug.envolution.com/" eudora="autourl">http://bug.envolution.com</a> and <a href="http://bug.envolution.it/" eudora="autourl">http://bug.envolution.it</a>, that <br> > are on my machine?<br><br> What about them? You have to understand I do not have ESP and I cannot<br> take care of issues that nobody communicates to me. Max never once<br> mentioned tansferring the envolution.it domain and in fact I assumed he<br> would keep it and run the Italian International website. As for<br> bug.envolution.com that can be redirected very easily. Except no one has<br> given me a FQDN or IP address to forward it to!</blockquote><br> xxx.envolution.it will remain in our server and will continue to work.<br> If you want to continue to use bug.envolution.com ( <a href="http://mantisbt.sourceforge.net/">Mantis 0.18.0a3</a> ) you can put the dns to 212.131.193.51.<br> Mail me a password and I'll set up a new admin password for you.<br> If you want to transfer it on your servers, just tell me, and I'll dump the database to you.<br><br> <br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>The only published roadmap that Envolution has ever had is here:<br><br> <a href="http://www.envolution.com/index.php?module=subjects&func=listpages&subid=2" eudora="autourl">http://www.envolution.com/index.php?module=subjects&func=listpages&subid=2</a></blockquote><br> <a href="http://www.envolution.com/modules/Subjects/pages/env11.gif" eudora="autourl">http://www.envolution.com/modules/Subjects/pages/env11.gif</a> seems not to be there.. (in http://www.envolution.com/index.php?module=subjects&func=viewpage&pageid=20)<br><br> <br> Hi<br> cino<br><br> </body> </html> |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-08-04 07:23:32
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On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 02:06, Luc...@cs... wrote: > OK man. > Let's try to present ourself. > Because... > I've been on this list for a few month but many of the people that are > writing now I've never seen. > So been one of the last I take time to present myself, I'd like all this > founders, and lead developers to do the same so that at least we all know > and understand why someone think that he can teach or lead thing. > I agree. > I and the people that depend by me work for a company in Italy. > After having evaluated many CMS products we decided to use envo, since we > need it on Oracle we started thew conversion program. > Since I believe that it's important to stay tuned with the product and the > community, I convinced my bossed that we could give back the work we were > doing (we are just 1000 people here and company of this size usually do not > do such things) so I contacted Max and I became developer. > I do not care for positions (since I've got my own in my company) but need > to know that the investment we did on this project was not thrown away by > power struggle on the open source. > We chose envo because speaking with Max and the italian community thare > were lots of program on integrating eCommerce, eLearning and things like > that. > You efforst have not been wasted. > This is who I am what I'm doing and why. > I'd appreciate some reply form all others on: > WHO, WHAT and WHY. > So that we all know better and with a better depth than the founders, the > lead developer of two years ago and so on. > Luca Outstanding idea Luca. Zoom |
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From: <Luc...@cs...> - 2003-08-04 07:03:34
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From: <Luc...@cs...> - 2003-08-04 06:43:26
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From: <Chr...@t-...> - 2003-08-04 00:46:37
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I'm gatoNero, one of three webmaster of eNvolution.de and german localization director. I have been just a week in holiday until today. Now I'm very suprised what happened meanwhile. It's hard for me to understand, to develop ENISS guidelines in a chat. Specially because I made several suggestions, how to organize the content of ENISS sites, like FAQ and download structure etc. I'm not shure, that this is what we need. It sounds like a decret to me.=20 Am Son, 2003-08-03 um 07.03 schrieb Scott Kindley: > This announcement is to inform the Envolution Community how we will be > implementing navigation to our International Support Sites and how those > websites interact with each other based on the input and feedback from > the organizational meeting held Aug 2, 2003. >=20 > The Envolution International Network of websites is just that, a > network. So as a network there are some guidelines and requirements to > be considered an Official Envolution International Website. >=20 > To create a network which functions in a similar manner and provides a > clear and concise image and web presence to the public at large our > community has voted to implement these changes in policy toward > networked Envolution websites. Once again, these policies do not affect > non-official websites or enthusiast websites they are specifically for > Official Envolution International Websites. >=20 > 1) This section will describe URL naming conventions and how navigation > and forwarding to Official Envolution International Websites will take > place. I will use an example to illustrate how we will be implementing > this. >=20 > Stefan K=F6hler is the webmaster of the Official German Envolution > International Website. He currently manages the envolution.de domain. > People who wish to access support in the German language will still be > able to acces that site with the familiar domain name envolution.de, so > nothing in regard to that changes. >=20 > We will however place the envolution.net domain seperate from the > envolution.com content. The envolution.net domain is defined by the .net > top level domain designation which is an internet standard for > identifying networks. >=20 > We will place a single webpage up on the envolution.net website that > lists each Official Envolution International Network Website > individually. Information will contain contact names for each Official > Envolution International Website along with a brief welcoming message=20 > in the language appropriate to each website. Links will be provided for > the Official Envolution International Website in this format: >=20 > http://www.germany.envolution.net > http://www.germany.envolution.com > http://www.germany.envolution.org > http://www.germany.envolution.info > http://www.germany.envolution.biz >=20 > All five of the Envolution top level domains need not be listed if that > is not preferred by the Official Envoltuion International Website > Manager. But they can be.=20 >=20 >=20 > 2) This section will cover the requirements and guidelines for being > appointed an Official Envolution International Website. >=20 > a) All Official Envolution International Websites will be required to > maintain a similar look and feel. That is to say that each Official > Envolution International Website must be running the Envolution CMS. > They should have the same theme but may have different colors and such. > For example of this take a look at http://www.germany.envolution.net. It > has the same theme as the Envolution.com website...yet still maintains > it's own identity by the use of different graphics and colors. >=20 > b) All Official Envolution International Websites will also designate > someone who can interact with the main Envolution.com staff to > coordinate news and translations of news. The primary contact from > International Websites to the main Envolution.com website should be > coordinated with the Project Manager ApathyBoy. >=20 > c) All Official Envolution International Websites will need to provide > reciprocal links back to other Official Envolution International > Websites, including the main Envolution.com website using the same URL > naming conventions described above in section one. >=20 > The reasons for this policy implementation is to help overcome > communication barriers between all the different cultures and languages > our community uses. By providing the reciprocal links we truley will > become a network of international websites. It also gives a constant URL > naming convention for visitors to use that still identifies the > Envolution brand and allows individual maintainers of the websites to > concentrate on support and development instead of DNS issues.=20 >=20 > It also does not lock Envolution into a particular server should an > Official International Website change. If for example the current > Official Envolution International Website becomes inactive or chooses > not to support the Envolution project we can simply redesginate the > domains to a website that will take it's place. This policy protects the > community and preserves the ability of individual official international > websites to act independantly of the main Envolution.com website to > better serve the support and language needs of their constituants. >=20 > These policies were discussed and voted upon in the Organizational > meeting on August 2, 2003 without objection. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/= 01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: <Chr...@t-...> - 2003-08-04 00:43:48
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gatoNero, translator of all eNvo versions to german, german localization director, one of three webmasters of eNvolution.de Christoph aka gatoNero Am Son, 2003-08-03 um 20.13 schrieb Eric Barr: > Hello everyone, > > This is a roll call for all the current Staff Members (all of those people > who held staff positions before TiMax stepped down last week). I would like > for all of you to keep your positions here at Envolution but I need to > compile a list of everybody and what their positions are so that we can give > admin rights back to those who wish to remain and hold positions. > > So if you could just reply to this with your name, contact information and > the position you hold I would appreciate it. After I have everybody we'll > figure out if there are any positions that need filling, and I will also be > getting in contact with each of you individually. > > I also ask that you reply to this in the next 3 days so that we can all get > back to work as soon as possible! > > Thanks for your time and effort! > > Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) > Project Manager - Envolution > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: Eric B. <apa...@xe...> - 2003-08-03 23:04:29
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Hello, I would just like to say that I respect your personal opinion and there will be no attack made on you. I wish you much luck with your support site and anything that I can do to help you out just ask and I would be glad to do it. There has been a lot of misunderstanding about what has taken place, and also much anger on the development lists. I hope that over time these things can be cleared up and that you will see that I am making an effort to help everybody in all communities. Keep up the good work with the Polish Support Site and again let me know if there is ever anything I can do to help. Thanks, Eric Barr Project Manager - Envolution ----- Original Message ----- From: "tinta" <ti...@au...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [Envolution-devel] Envolution Official International Website Policy > > These policies were discussed and voted upon in the Organizational > > meeting on August 2, 2003 without objection. > > Hi, I'm webmaster of the Polish Support Site for eNvolution. > > I would ask you to remove my site from the list of the Official eNvolution > Support. The reason of my decision are the last events in the leadership, > which I do not accept, especially changing the Roadmap without deriving the > community opinion and asking it for approve the changes. I think the only > discourse of several people on IRC channel is not enough, especially that the > news according to the Roadmap was published earlier. Before decide about it > ir should be made any public opinion poll or any question addressed to the > users or so one... I think the community cannot be ignored. This mistake was > made by other project leaders and developers and it has not increased their > and theirs projects popularity. Envolution Project includes a lot of people > disppointed with the CMSs like PostNuke or PHPNuke and their developing ways, > they have moved to eNvolution because only it has promissed the active > contribution of community in the project develop. Changing the Roadmap with > no community opinion you have clearly shown that you do not intend to respect > it. > Also inner contests happening last time on envolution-devel mailing list have > not to do with the project developing, they are just the war which doesn't > bring on anything new nor good. I think also the redirecting of provious > sites' URLs to the new ones like "www.germany.envolution.com" is not a good > idea, mostly because any envonet site webmaster wouldn't have any warranty > the site would not be redirected to the other site if he makes something you > don't like. Reading last posts on envolution-devel I see you don't respect > the merits of people who have made a lot for the Project. > I'm not going to stop my site but I want to support eNvolution for the Polish > Community unofficilly and in my own way. I don't think I will lose anything > doing this, because the help and support from you is comparable to the > naught, you are too busy only with your inner accounts to serve any help to > international supporters. A month ago I made the same decision about the > PHPNuke Support Site and I must say the site has just gained by it - a lot of > users have not agreed with the FB's politics and disclaiming the Official > Support I just earned popularity and more active user's contribution in the > site development. > I consider also that after TiMax leaving you should show you can maintain > everything what has been done up to now, and not to make the revolution > changing everything possible - eNvolution is has not yet the position strong > enough to lose the popularity among regular users and Community Members. > On the end I would like to tell that I'm not going to judge or attack anybody > personally - that is only my privat opinion of the recent eNvolution > situation, so please do not me attack too. > Best Regards and Good Luck > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > |
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From: tinta <ti...@au...> - 2003-08-03 22:54:53
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> These policies were discussed and voted upon in the Organizational > meeting on August 2, 2003 without objection. Hi, I'm webmaster of the Polish Support Site for eNvolution. I would ask you to remove my site from the list of the Official eNvolution Support. The reason of my decision are the last events in the leadership, which I do not accept, especially changing the Roadmap without deriving the community opinion and asking it for approve the changes. I think the only discourse of several people on IRC channel is not enough, especially that the news according to the Roadmap was published earlier. Before decide about it ir should be made any public opinion poll or any question addressed to the users or so one... I think the community cannot be ignored. This mistake was made by other project leaders and developers and it has not increased their and theirs projects popularity. Envolution Project includes a lot of people disppointed with the CMSs like PostNuke or PHPNuke and their developing ways, they have moved to eNvolution because only it has promissed the active contribution of community in the project develop. Changing the Roadmap with no community opinion you have clearly shown that you do not intend to respect it. Also inner contests happening last time on envolution-devel mailing list have not to do with the project developing, they are just the war which doesn't bring on anything new nor good. I think also the redirecting of provious sites' URLs to the new ones like "www.germany.envolution.com" is not a good idea, mostly because any envonet site webmaster wouldn't have any warranty the site would not be redirected to the other site if he makes something you don't like. Reading last posts on envolution-devel I see you don't respect the merits of people who have made a lot for the Project. I'm not going to stop my site but I want to support eNvolution for the Polish Community unofficilly and in my own way. I don't think I will lose anything doing this, because the help and support from you is comparable to the naught, you are too busy only with your inner accounts to serve any help to international supporters. A month ago I made the same decision about the PHPNuke Support Site and I must say the site has just gained by it - a lot of users have not agreed with the FB's politics and disclaiming the Official Support I just earned popularity and more active user's contribution in the site development. I consider also that after TiMax leaving you should show you can maintain everything what has been done up to now, and not to make the revolution changing everything possible - eNvolution is has not yet the position strong enough to lose the popularity among regular users and Community Members. On the end I would like to tell that I'm not going to judge or attack anybody personally - that is only my privat opinion of the recent eNvolution situation, so please do not me attack too. Best Regards and Good Luck |
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From: Burke <bu...@di...> - 2003-08-03 22:35:15
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I helped out in the forums whenever I could and also did some debugging with reports on bug.envolution.com. I updated code on Sourceforge as results of those debugging efforts. Envo.com username: burke Sourceforge name: dimensionquest Burke Azbill - MCP+I, MCSE, MCSD, CNE, CCA, CCNA http://www.dimensionquest.net -----Original Message----- From: env...@li... [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of Eric Barr Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 2:14 PM To: env...@li... Subject: [Envolution-devel] Calling all Staff Members! Hello everyone, This is a roll call for all the current Staff Members (all of those people who held staff positions before TiMax stepped down last week). I would like for all of you to keep your positions here at Envolution but I need to compile a list of everybody and what their positions are so that we can give admin rights back to those who wish to remain and hold positions. So if you could just reply to this with your name, contact information and the position you hold I would appreciate it. After I have everybody we'll figure out if there are any positions that need filling, and I will also be getting in contact with each of you individually. I also ask that you reply to this in the next 3 days so that we can all get back to work as soon as possible! Thanks for your time and effort! Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) Project Manager - Envolution ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01 /01 _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: putino <pu...@pu...> - 2003-08-03 22:14:32
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Well... I've never attacked personally ApathyBoy like you can see here: ------- [23:34] <putino> ApathyBoy: do you think i consider you Nazis ? I've only said my opinion about what i define censorship and Zoom have menaced me to ban [23:35] <ApathyBoy> nope i do not think that you consider me like that [23:35] <putino> ok [23:35] <ApathyBoy> your opinions are welcome, it is good to talk about opinions ------- however you've menaced me to ban, like all can see here, from envo.com site: ------- Re: The Future of Envolution by kriptokaos on Aug 03, 2003 - 02:40 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.tradwest.com ApatyBoy ma perche cancelli i miei post ?? questa non mi pare democrazia ma nazismo bello e buono, questo non mi pare open source, ma un pascolo personale di ApatuBoy .. che nome .. ApatyBoy but why do you cancel my posts?? this doesn't seem to me democracy but beautiful and good Nazism, this it doesn't seem to me open source but a personal pasture of ApatuBoy.. what a name.. [ Reply to this ] Re: The Future of Envolution by apathyboy on Aug 03, 2003 - 03:06 PM (User info | Send a Message) http:// Kriptokaos, The last time I checked, Nazism was founded by a man that killed millions of people. I was not aware that I have done any such thing and to compare me to such things will not be tolerated. How is this helpful to the project? It's not. Anger and hateful remarks such as this only slow everybody down. It is for this that you were banned. If you wish to talk like a civil human being then that is ok. I have no problem talking to people about issues that they have or any disagreements. But namecalling of this proportion will not be tolerated. This is not my personal pasture, have you read any of the mailing list posts or the logs from the chat? I think that if you had you would see otherwise. Even if we disagree there is no reason for this level of namecalling and hatred. [ Reply to this ] Re: The Future of Envolution by PzSniper_ITA_ on Aug 03, 2003 - 03:25 PM (User info | Send a Message) Kriptokaos u look just like a children in that way, problem COULD and MUST be resolved with civil talk! I took my time to ask questiond to Apathyboy in private and public chat, and he has been so kind to answer me and dedicate his time to someone never seen or read like me so..think abt it C'on... non famo la figura dei provinciali italiani! [ Reply to this ] Re: The Future of Envolution by putino on Aug 03, 2003 - 04:47 PM (User info | Send a Message) Well PzSniper, the problem is not this: the problem is the censorship here. They've censored TiMax resignation's news, they've censored kriptocaos comments. So, if they use a non-democratic tool, why do they offend if someone give them Nazists ? Surely it's not a democratic way... Don't you think so ? This angers me very much [ Reply to this ] Re: The Future of Envolution by putino on Aug 03, 2003 - 04:53 PM (User info | Send a Message) I must add: it's not a personal attack on anyone ! [ Reply to this ] Re: The Future of Envolution by Zoom on Aug 03, 2003 - 04:57 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.kindley.net/ Nothing was censored. He posted his resignation on the mailing list days ago. It's there for all to read. His submission to the website was NOT publish because it contained false information. He was given the opporitunity to correct the false information and then resubmit. To date he has chosen not to correct his error so nothing has been published. There is a huge difference between censoring someone and not allowing false statements and inflammatory remarks to be published. This is an editorial function not a censorship function. As for your references to nazism...it won't be tolerated. Post it one more time and I will personally ban your account and block your IP subnet disallowing acces to envolution resources. Read the Terms of Use...you are violating them and it will not be tolerated. Zoom [ Reply to this ] Re: The Future of Envolution by putino on Aug 03, 2003 - 05:47 PM (User info | Send a Message) http:// Calm please ! First, I think what you have done is censorship, you could have respond about it in comments, you have not wanted this. About inflammatory remarks it seems me that they're here very much because of this: explain me what editorial function do you say about ? Second, I've not referred to Nazism, I've only said that this behavior can bring Nazis accusation. Personally I speak about censorship and not democratic way, but in the same time YOU'VE MENACED ME TO BAN, compliments. Perhaps is this democracy ? Finally, I'm very tired to read flames. It's the last time I'll respond to this. And about my future collaboration I think that it's impossibile in such a contest. Bye, putino ------- Then if this is your "democracy" i cannot have anything to do with this democracy. And i must confirm in this mailing list too, my impossibility to continue any kind of collaboration with you. Bye, putino Scott Kindley Scrive: > We just recently (like 25 minutes ago) received a very unpleasant > comment from one calling himself: > > kriptokaos > > Who uses the email address: > > kri...@ev... > ps...@li... > http://www.tradwest.com > ICQ: 131356446 > > > He thought it prudent to call ApathyBoy Hitler and was banned permanatly > from all Envolution resources. > > If anyone else has ideas they will engage in this kind of behavior > please be informed that Envolution will not tolerate it and it also > voiolates ther Terms of Use all members agree to upon regiatration or > subscription to all Envoltuion Mailing List. > > Stop the personal attacks against ApathyBoy. > > Zoom > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-08-03 20:58:46
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On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 15:38, Theresa Angela Sanchez wrote: > Hello, > > Theresa A. Sanchez - the...@ea... Login Name Theresa_Rose - > I really don't know what I was suppose to do, mainly posted replys to a few > forums and did clean-ups of serveral articles that Timax was sending to be > published. > > Thanks, > Theresa Thanks for the reply Thresa We will update permissions and such soon. Zoom |
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From: Theresa A. S. <the...@ea...> - 2003-08-03 20:38:44
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Hello, Theresa A. Sanchez - the...@ea... Login Name Theresa_Rose - I really don't know what I was suppose to do, mainly posted replys to a few forums and did clean-ups of serveral articles that Timax was sending to be published. Thanks, Theresa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Barr" <eri...@sb...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: [Envolution-devel] Calling all Staff Members! > Hello everyone, > > This is a roll call for all the current Staff Members (all of those people > who held staff positions before TiMax stepped down last week). I would like > for all of you to keep your positions here at Envolution but I need to > compile a list of everybody and what their positions are so that we can give > admin rights back to those who wish to remain and hold positions. > > So if you could just reply to this with your name, contact information and > the position you hold I would appreciate it. After I have everybody we'll > figure out if there are any positions that need filling, and I will also be > getting in contact with each of you individually. > > I also ask that you reply to this in the next 3 days so that we can all get > back to work as soon as possible! > > Thanks for your time and effort! > > Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) > Project Manager - Envolution > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: Webmaster <web...@en...> - 2003-08-03 19:24:33
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RDW staff member Admin eNvolution Belgium eNvolution International Support Site Dutch Belgium & Netherlands Translation to Dutch Rudiger De Wolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Barr" <eri...@sb...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: [Envolution-devel] Calling all Staff Members! > Hello everyone, > > This is a roll call for all the current Staff Members (all of those people > who held staff positions before TiMax stepped down last week). I would like > for all of you to keep your positions here at Envolution but I need to > compile a list of everybody and what their positions are so that we can give > admin rights back to those who wish to remain and hold positions. > > So if you could just reply to this with your name, contact information and > the position you hold I would appreciate it. After I have everybody we'll > figure out if there are any positions that need filling, and I will also be > getting in contact with each of you individually. > > I also ask that you reply to this in the next 3 days so that we can all get > back to work as soon as possible! > > Thanks for your time and effort! > > Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) > Project Manager - Envolution > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-08-03 18:22:42
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We just recently (like 25 minutes ago) received a very unpleasant comment from one calling himself: kriptokaos Who uses the email address: kri...@ev... ps...@li... http://www.tradwest.com ICQ: 131356446 He thought it prudent to call ApathyBoy Hitler and was banned permanatly from all Envolution resources. If anyone else has ideas they will engage in this kind of behavior please be informed that Envolution will not tolerate it and it also voiolates ther Terms of Use all members agree to upon regiatration or subscription to all Envoltuion Mailing List. Stop the personal attacks against ApathyBoy. Zoom |
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