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[Dynapi-Help] Trying to fix IOElement bug, need some background-info..

[Clemens E. <lin...@we...>]

Hi again,

First of all thank you for explainig the licensing details so exactly!
Hmm, I just want to use dynapi, I dont want to modify it etc...

IOElement refuses to work with Konqueror or Opera-7.5, I had a look at 
the source but as I already said my JavaScript is quite bad and I dont 
know many background-things of dynapi.

It fails within this piece of code:
 > p.getScope = function(thread) {
 >    var scope;
 >    if (!thread) thread=this._elmThread;
 >    if (this._winXFrames && this._winXFrames.top) scope = 
this._winXFrames.top.frames[thread];
 >    else if (dynapi.ua.ns4) scope = this.doc.layers[thread];
 >    else scope = window.frames[thread];
 >    if (!scope) return alert('IOElement Error: no load element');
 >    else return scope;
 >};

Am I right that scope is the frame that is used for client/server 
communication?
If yes it seems opera and konqueror maybe have not loaded this frame 
already, would this be a possible explanation?
Thread returns a valid value, however it really seems that it cannot 
find the frame.
I added a backtrace at the end of the file.

Any ideas howto go further to find the reason of this behaviour?

Thanks in advance, lg Clemens



Here is the backtrace of the not-working getScope-Function:

 Line 99 of linked script 
http://localhost:3355/data/dynapi/util/ioelement.js
    if (this.getScope())
  Line 254 of linked script http://localhost:3355/data/dynapi/api/event.js
    this[i]();
  Line 111 of linked script http://localhost:3355/data/dynapi/api/event.js
    c._flagCreateEvent("create");
  Line 26 of linked script 
http://localhost:3355/data/dynapi/api/dynlayer_opera.js
    DynElement._flagCreate(this);
  Line 135 of linked script 
http://localhost:3355/data/dynapi/api/dyndocument.js
    c._create();
  Line 271 of linked script 
http://localhost:3355/data/dynapi/api/dyndocument.js
    dynapi.document._create();
  Line 123 of linked script http://localhost:3355/data/dynapi/dynapi.js
    this._loadfn[i]();
  In unknown script
    dynapi._onLoad();

Re: it WORKS - Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Andrew G. <an...@zo...>]

Hi Clemens,

can you send me a stack trace of the servlet exception?
I would like to make sure that it is handled appropriately.


Andrew.



Clemens Eisserer wrote:

> Hello again,
>
>> other lists, if they don't want to help, why did they subscribe to a
>> help list, if the questions aggravate them, that is not very helpful to
>> anyone.  ;-)
>>  
>>
> Very noble! But please dont set up a tomcat just because of me, I 
> would have a bad guilt other people spent there time solving my problems.
>
>> Maybe by end of day today I'll have Tomcat and Jetty working... ohh and
>> some JVM.  What JVM are you using?  Sun?  IBM?  Kaffe?  Other?  First
>> time with Tomcat and Jetty, and haven't used Java in Linux in about 5
>> years.  Need to recompile my Apache, PHP and MySQL anyways, so what's a
>> few more components?  ;-)  Maybe by then I'll better understand things.
>> My Java is rusty, but I should be able to understand enough to relearn
>> from example code.
>>  
>>
> Not really needed now, however I dont want to stop you if you planed 
> to test with it.
>
> The reason why it timed out was, that when the server was asked it 
> threw a servlet exception which was not shown, since the data is used 
> internally by DynApi and not displayed in browser, so nobody could see 
> the "Servlet-Exception"...
> It would be maybe better to catch Exceptions and write it into the 
> logger - should I add this?
>
> The reason itself was that the servlet had to be registered with 
> SERVICE.soda, I called it different like xyz.soda so it did not work 
> at all of course. It really works  - great!
>
> Thanks for all your help and patience. It makes me feel so happy that 
> I now can start my work :-)
>
> Thanks a lot, lg Clemens
>
> PS: I have one question about licensing.
> I want to use DynApi in an half/half project: Code that stands under 
> GPL may use it for free but others should pay a small fee. Is this 
> O.K. with dynapi (not only licensing - but aren't developers angry 
> about that?).
> What I want to do should be quite a small breakthrough in 
> client/server programming, however I may not tell more :-(
>
> Of course I am willed to help dynapi te become even better, fix bugs 
> etc. For now I am not very happy with javascript because I come from 
> the java-world but after some time JS should be quite normal for me.
> E.G. I plan to create a table-widget (table with add, get, remove, 
> ....) which I also of course plan to contribute back.
> The issue with IOElement and opera, konqueror is also in my interrest 
> to be solved, I just say this to tell you that I also want to give 
> something back and not only want to use dynapi code. It will be a 
> library but not a rival - it has a quite diffenet goal.
> I thought it would be better to ask before coding instead to make 
> developers angry.
> Do you think this would be o.k?
>
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Re: it WORKS - Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

Congratulations!

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Clemens Eisserer" <lin...@we...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 14:29
> Subject: it WORKS - Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement,
please.
>
> Not really needed now, however I dont want to stop you if you planed
to
> test with it.

Well, I've been curious for years but if I don't actually decide to do
it at some point, I'll never find the time.  :p  it's just coincidence.

> It would be maybe better to catch Exceptions and write it into the
> logger - should I add this?

I can't speak in specific, but in general, if it helps debug something
to either log on the server, or encapsulate and send to the browser,
then it may be helpful.  I'd probably be very paranoid about what I send
to a browser for security reasons, or else give away too much info about
the server side things.  Probably best to have a generic error message
(or table of messages, "file permissions", "code syntax error", "network
timeout", etc.) sent to browser, and the specific information logged
somewhere reasonably secure on the server.

> PS: I have one question about licensing.
> I want to use DynApi in an half/half project: Code that stands under
GPL
> may use it for free but others should pay a small fee. Is this O.K.
with
> dynapi (not only licensing - but aren't developers angry about that?).
> What I want to do should be quite a small breakthrough in
client/server
> programming, however I may not tell more :-(

Ehh, I tend to ramble abut the GPL, this message could get long.

First I'd suggest reading the GPL and LGPL more thoroughly, maybe look
for a translation if parts are unclear.  I'm not exactly a lawyer, but
tend to be a GPL zealot.  :-)  The DynAPI is LGPL.  I'm not exactly a
lawyer so this may or  may not be legally correct, may be too strict,
but I do think it would be in full compliance with GPL.

Generally it is my understanding that the GPL allows you to do some
things, requires you to do other things, and prevents you from doing
certain things.

* It allows you to take GPL code, make whatever modifications you want,
sell for as much as you can get.  If you have done something unique and
you are in a position to get paid, then you have a right to get what you
can.  :-)

* It requires you to release all your code under the GPL (no
exceptions), to keep the GPL copyright notices in each original and
modified or derivative file, to give full credit to the original authors
at least in each source file (i.e. if there are author's listed in code
comments, just leave them there), to clearly state that it is GPL
software (in the product itself, on the distribution channels, or at the
very least by leaving all the licenses in the code comments intact), and
to provide FREE access to your modified source code upon request
(usually by submitting patches to the main project, or providing web or
FTP access to your modifications).

* It prevents you from calling the derived work your own original work,
prevents you from hiding any modifications you have made and prevents
you from removing the GPL, prevents you from preventing others these
same rights that were freely given to you.

There's also the LGPL, which I've heard called either the Lesser GPL or
the Library GPL, which is what it is conceptually, and what it is
typically used for, respectively.  That allows more flexibility so you
can write a non-free application using the library, yet keep the library
free.

In this case, you obviously would keep your private data and business
logic separate from the API.  If you need a feature in the API, you add
a generic solution which everyone could use, and let others know here,
and people will play with it and break it and fix it and generally have
fun.  :-)  Or perhaps you develop your own non-free API which calls the
unmodified DynAPI, which may be less efficient.  But the same laws of
tainting apply: a coder can't directly submit GPL code after looking at
non-free code, so too you can't look at GPL code and turn and use the
exact same technique and call it non-free.

Maybe it's commonly done but it's just not right and helps no-one.  GPL
coders get around the problem by having two groups: one person becomes
tainted, learns the non-free code, codes nothing, but instead writes
down a specification or a general description which is somewhat
original, then this document is sent to the coding group, which writes
original code.  :-)  You can imagine the extra work involved.

Develop your own API, and think how much longer it will take, and how
much money that costs, it pushes back the project until maybe the client
goes somewhere else.  Now think of the people who did all the work and
didn't even ask for any money and offer it for free to you.

You can simultaneously save time and show appreciation by starting with
GPL software, adding for your needs, and returning the modifications.
:-)  Most clients won't even understand the code or the difference
between licenses,but will be scared and prejudiced against anything
"free".  They won't be able to do it themselves, so they have to pay
someone who knows how to code, to build the site.  It's "Free Software,
not Free Beer", is the common phrase.

Competitive businesses may learn how to do this unique thing you are
doing, and may use it on their site, and eventually you'renot just
unique, but a worldwide internet phenomenon.  ;-)  That is called
progress, which is good, as it can change the world and benefit
everyone, a little at a time.

The valid concern for businesses is to make enough money to offset the
initial development costs before the competition steals the technology,
improves it and undercuts your price.  But if the service or feature
makes website use easier or more efficient or more powerful for the
user, then the user will keep using the website no matter what the
liecense, which could have tremendous positive effect for revenue if
it's ecommerce or subscription driven.  :-)

And so what if someone else does the same thing.  It just means you have
to do it better, which is the essence of competition and progress.  It
is a process that continues for life, not a mountain you climb once and
never slide down.

> Of course I am willed to help dynapi te become even better, fix bugs
> etc. For now I am not very happy with javascript because I come from
the
> java-world but after some time JS should be quite normal for me.

JavaScript is very ugly sometimes.  It's slow (when you use more than a
few dozen layers), buggy, has minimalistic debugging ability (even in
Firefox 1.0PR1 many syntax errors aren't even reported), not always
consistent across browsers (a bloody nightmare), has limitations on what
data it can access (for security reasons), and as you've discovered, can
be a nightmare to debug when talking to server-side applications ("Live
HTTP Headers" plugin may or may not offer some help).

> E.G. I plan to create a table-widget (table with add, get, remove,
....)
> which I also of course plan to contribute back.
> The issue with IOElement and opera, konqueror is also in my interrest
to

Sounds cool!

> be solved, I just say this to tell you that I also want to give
> something back and not only want to use dynapi code. It will be a
> library but not a rival - it has a quite diffenet goal.

I'm not sure what you mean, and you may not wish to describe in any more
detail due to business plans, non-disclosure agreements and business men
with money to give you and lawyers to watch over you.  ;-)

The LGPL definition in the LICENSE file describes the LGPL best.  ;-)
It's difficult to understand without at least 100 lawyer-years of
experience (10 lawyers with 10 years experience each).  ANything outside
of the scope of the GPL or LGPL just makes a nightmare for everyone,
lawyers need to get involed to even understand what anything means,
lawyers tend to be greedy and selfish and may misrepresent either side
as greedy or selfish and create more problems than anything.  A
compromise of some sort of limited restriction would be ideal, where one
business entity could purchase "time" from the project, and the coders
split the money based on their contributions to the code in question,
and could modify GPL or LGPL code, and the company keeps the modified
code for no more than 3 months or 6 months to recover well-earned
development money, and then all modifications manditorily become GPL or
LGPL again.  But setting up such a legal agreement would add so many
lawyer costs to outweigh the benefits, and progress and development
would lag 3-6 months ormore, which is an eternity online.

Leif

> I thought it would be better to ask before coding instead to make
> developers angry.

Always a good idea.  :-)

> Do you think this would be o.k?

I have no idea.  :p  Others have ideas?  I wonder if the Free Software
Foundation has tutorials, FAQs, or other assistive resources to help
people better understand the GPL and LGPL.  It doesn't make much sense
for JavaScript to be proprietary because full source code is always
distributed and always obtainable every time the page is accessed.  :p
The server-side libraries are another matter.  Java can be obfuscated
but can be reverse engineered much easier than other machine-dependent
compiled languages.  So for applets, I consider them potentially
accessible to the public because there's no absolute method to hiding
the code.

Leif

it WORKS - Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Clemens E. <lin...@we...>]

Hello again,

>other lists, if they don't want to help, why did they subscribe to a
>help list, if the questions aggravate them, that is not very helpful to
>anyone.  ;-)
>  
>
Very noble! But please dont set up a tomcat just because of me, I would 
have a bad guilt other people spent there time solving my problems.

>Maybe by end of day today I'll have Tomcat and Jetty working... ohh and
>some JVM.  What JVM are you using?  Sun?  IBM?  Kaffe?  Other?  First
>time with Tomcat and Jetty, and haven't used Java in Linux in about 5
>years.  Need to recompile my Apache, PHP and MySQL anyways, so what's a
>few more components?  ;-)  Maybe by then I'll better understand things.
>My Java is rusty, but I should be able to understand enough to relearn
>from example code.
>  
>
Not really needed now, however I dont want to stop you if you planed to 
test with it.

The reason why it timed out was, that when the server was asked it threw 
a servlet exception which was not shown, since the data is used 
internally by DynApi and not displayed in browser, so nobody could see 
the "Servlet-Exception"...
It would be maybe better to catch Exceptions and write it into the 
logger - should I add this?

The reason itself was that the servlet had to be registered with 
SERVICE.soda, I called it different like xyz.soda so it did not work at 
all of course. It really works  - great!

Thanks for all your help and patience. It makes me feel so happy that I 
now can start my work :-)

Thanks a lot, lg Clemens

PS: I have one question about licensing.
I want to use DynApi in an half/half project: Code that stands under GPL 
may use it for free but others should pay a small fee. Is this O.K. with 
dynapi (not only licensing - but aren't developers angry about that?).
What I want to do should be quite a small breakthrough in client/server 
programming, however I may not tell more :-(

Of course I am willed to help dynapi te become even better, fix bugs 
etc. For now I am not very happy with javascript because I come from the 
java-world but after some time JS should be quite normal for me.
E.G. I plan to create a table-widget (table with add, get, remove, ....) 
which I also of course plan to contribute back.
The issue with IOElement and opera, konqueror is also in my interrest to 
be solved, I just say this to tell you that I also want to give 
something back and not only want to use dynapi code. It will be a 
library but not a rival - it has a quite diffenet goal.
I thought it would be better to ask before coding instead to make 
developers angry.
Do you think this would be o.k?

Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Clemens Eisserer" <lin...@we...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 12:42
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.
>
> Hi again!
>
> First of all a big thank you to everybody who have helped me so far.
> It is not common that list-members are so patent with newbies ;-)

Heh, well, if I didn't want to help anyone, I wouldn't subscribe to a
help list!  ;-)  It annoys me when I ask a question on a help list, and
people just sit there and spend great effort to insult me for asking a
question which they know the answer to, or are not honest with
themselves and do not acknowledge flaws in their code, design or
documentation.  So I try to treat people the way I would like to be
treated.  Some people find truth and honesty offensive.  I ask people on
other lists, if they don't want to help, why did they subscribe to a
help list, if the questions aggravate them, that is not very helpful to
anyone.  ;-)

> The really strange thing is that in server-log I see the
servlet-output
> doing the expected stuff.

> Maybe that has something to do that I use Jetty (jetty.mortbay.org) as
> servlet-container. Maybe the servlet has a bug which works with Tomcat
> and does not work Jetty?


Maybe by end of day today I'll have Tomcat and Jetty working... ohh and
some JVM.  What JVM are you using?  Sun?  IBM?  Kaffe?  Other?  First
time with Tomcat and Jetty, and haven't used Java in Linux in about 5
years.  Need to recompile my Apache, PHP and MySQL anyways, so what's a
few more components?  ;-)  Maybe by then I'll better understand things.
My Java is rusty, but I should be able to understand enough to relearn
from example code.

> Does anybody know the author, maybe (I pray so) he is willed to help
me
> a bit out - maybe he can give me instructions howto debug.
> Could it maybe be, that the server has problems with my
default-encoding
> (utf8). If binary values (non-chars) are pressed into strngs this can
> lead to strange problems (experienced myself).

Raymond did the original IOElement and SODA code, with the ASP JScript
and VBScript server-side libraries and examples.  I did a partial
translation to PHP, and barely began the Perl.  I think Andrew did the
Java, but I may be wrong.

Leif

Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Clemens E. <lin...@we...>]

Hi again!

First of all a big thank you to everybody who have helped me so far.
It is not common that list-members are so patent with newbies ;-)

>This is a shot in the dark.
>
>Is the servlet url the same server as the html page?  if not, the
>browsers maybe killing you.  They could be blocking it like they when
>attempting to read content from another server via an html page.
>
>Like I said, this is a shot in the dark.
>
The really strange thing is that in server-log I see the servlet-output 
doing the expected stuff.
When starting the calc-example first the calc-class is loaded and after 
this the server prints "-----do GET----" or something like this, 
withought any error. The calc-demo was taken as  is only some paths have 
been rewritten (namely the java-package of the class and the url in 
JavaScript to the server).

The self-written demo behaves exactly the same with the exception that 
the POST-Method is used, since I use asychronous calls.
That means the server receives the request and maybe(?) responds to it, 
however it never printed any error or warning message.

Maybe that has something to do that I use Jetty (jetty.mortbay.org) as 
servlet-container. Maybe the servlet has a bug which works with Tomcat 
and does not work Jetty?

Does anybody know the author, maybe (I pray so) he is willed to help me 
a bit out - maybe he can give me instructions howto debug.
Could it maybe be, that the server has problems with my default-encoding 
(utf8). If binary values (non-chars) are pressed into strngs this can 
lead to strange problems (experienced myself).

Thanks a lot in advance, lg Clemens

Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Bruce T. <blu...@ya...>]

This is a shot in the dark.

Is the servlet url the same server as the html page?  if not, the
browsers maybe killing you.  They could be blocking it like they when
attempting to read content from another server via an html page.

Like I said, this is a shot in the dark.

--- Clemens Eisserer <lin...@we...> wrote:


---------------------------------
p {margin: 0px}
Hello again,

 

Sorry for creating so much traffic..

> io.createWebService('SodaTest',
"http://localhost:3355/SodaTest/something.soda", initWS, false);

The url is right. If I access it directly via browser the servlet
starts up and tells me that I did not submit a valid soda-rpc call.


As I said I thought that it would be any easy-to-find mistake in my
javascript-code but it seems to be right.

Ill try to get calc-demo working.

 

Thanks for all the help and patience, lg Clemens


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Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

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Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Andrew G. <an...@zo...>]

OK, so in your web.xml you have something like:

<servlet-mapping>
    <servlet-name>SodaTest</servlet-name>
    <url-pattern>*.soda</url-pattern>
</servlet-mapping>

Your call to createWebService looks wrong.
If your html is being served by Jetty, it should look like:

 io.createWebService('SodaTest', "something.soda", initWS, false);


otherwise if it is being served by something else:

 io.createWebService('SodaTest', "http://localhost:3355/SodaTest/something.soda", initWS, false);



Andrew.


Clemens Eisserer wrote:

> Hello again!
>
> Wow, dynapi lists are very active. I thought dynapi is quite dead but 
> it makes me really happy to see this project succeed! It is soo great!
>
>
> > I'm guessing that  http://localhost:3355/soda is mapped to a servlet.
> > If so, and if the servlet container is Tomcat, make sure the 
> "access_log"
> > is enabled (see conf/server.xml) and you should see something there.
> The container is jetty (but it works - its fully spec compatible), if 
> i call it per hand it tells me that the url is wrong (servlet checks 
> if request ends with .soda).
>
>
> > The other thing is to look at is the Mozilla javascript console for any
> > javascript errors.
> Mozilla does not show any errors or faults :-(
>
> lg Clemens
>
> PS: Any ideas why IOElement-creation fails on opera or konqueror?
>
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Clemens Eisserer
> To: dyn...@li...
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 02:53
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.
>
> Hello!
> First of all thanks a lot fo the fast answer!

No problem.

> I use the java-servlet version, however I dont see any messages from
> the server although t! here should be one. I will try to get the
> clac-servlet-demo working.

D'oh!  I'm not experienced with the Java servlet version.  I forgot
about it.

> The problem  I had with konqueror and opera (no load object or so..)
> also happens with the soda-demos.

I've got a Linux system and can test later.  But I'd have to configure
Java with Apache for the first time.  Been meaning to update and
recompile a newer version of Apache anyways.

> PS: I found some "bad-loops" (for(var ...) in dynapi-code, may I
> correct this and send it back to you or somewhere else?

If It's JavaScript, if I understand what the changes are, and how it
affects the code, and better can see evidence of the problem before and
after, I try to submit to CVS.  Best for you to grab the CVS version,
see if the problem exists, if so, submit a diff for the specific
line(s), or at least list the line number(s), and show the before and
after code.

If I guessed, I would say you intend to rewrite the loops as below, to
pull the var outside the loop so that performance increases by reducing
the allocation/deallocation time for each iteration.  But I may be
wrong.  :D

< for ( var i = ... ; ... ; ... )
--
> var i;
> for ( i = ... ; ... ; ... )

Leif

Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Clemens E. <lin...@we...>]

<html><style>p {margin: 0px}</style><body bgcolor='#ffffff' text='#000000'><P>Hello again!</P><P>Wow, dynapi lists are very active. I thought dynapi is quite dead but it makes me really happy to see this project succeed! It is soo great!</P><P><BR>&gt; I'm guessing that&nbsp; <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://localhost:3355/soda">http://localhost:3355/soda</A> is mapped to a servlet.<BR>&gt; If so, and if the servlet container is Tomcat, make sure the "access_log"<BR>&gt; is enabled (see conf/server.xml) and you should see something there.<BR>The container is jetty (but it works - its fully spec compatible), if i call it per hand it tells me that the url is wrong (servlet checks if request ends with .soda).</P><P><BR>&gt; The other thing is to look at is the Mozilla javascript console for any<BR>&gt; javascript errors.<BR>Mozilla does not show any errors or faults :-(</P><P>lg Clemens</P><P>PS:&nbsp;Any ideas why IOElement-creation fails on opera or konqueror?</P><!
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Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Andrew G. <an...@zo...>]

Hmm, I've never tried the soda stuff on either Konquerer or Opera - only 
Mozilla and IE.
I'd suggest getting it working on Mozilla first, and then we can look 
into problems with the
other browsers.

Andrew


Clemens Eisserer wrote:

> Hello!
>
> First of all thanks a lot fo the fast answer!
>
> >What server-side script are you using? The library has both client-side
> >and server-side components. Does http://localhost:3355/soda refer to a
> >renamed version of the ASP-JScript, ASP-VBScript, PHP or Perl version,
> >or something custom? The files are found in the examples folder,
> >ioelmsrv.langext and ioelmsrv.soda.langext where langext is the language
> >extension. The ASP is likely functional, the PHP likely buggy, the Perl
> >version is not complete. If at all possible, you need access to the web
> >server's log file. I also highly recommend the "Live HTTP Headers"
> >plugin for Mozilla to view the programmatic (non-visible) requests and
> >responses.
>
> I use the java-servlet version, however I dont see any messages from 
> the server although t! here should be one. I will try to get the 
> clac-servlet-demo working.
>
> The problem  I had with konqueror and opera (no load object  or so..) 
> also happens with the soda-demos.
>
> Thanks a lot, lg Clemens
>
> PS: I found some "bad-loops" (for(var ...) in dynapi-code, may I 
> correct this and send it back to you or somewhere else?
>
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Andrew G. <an...@zo...>]

I'm guessing that  http://localhost:3355/soda is mapped to a servlet.
If so, and if the servlet container is Tomcat, make sure the "access_log"
is enabled (see conf/server.xml) and you should see something there.

The other thing is to look at is the Mozilla javascript console for any
javascript errors.


Andrew




Leif W wrote:

>Hello,
>
>What server-side script are you using?  The library has both client-side
>and server-side components.  Does http://localhost:3355/soda refer to a
>renamed version of the ASP-JScript, ASP-VBScript, PHP or Perl version,
>or something custom?  The files are found in the examples folder,
>ioelmsrv.langext and ioelmsrv.soda.langext where langext is the language
>extension.  The ASP is likely functional, the PHP likely buggy, the Perl
>version is not complete.  If at all possible, you need access to the web
>server's log file.  I also highly recommend the "Live HTTP Headers"
>plugin for Mozilla to view the programmatic (non-visible) requests and
>responses.
>
Live HTTP Headers?  I'll have to look at that.  :)

>
>I have no time to develop or fix the PHP or Perl versions which I
>started, but I really want to see them working.  Tomorrow I will take a
>look.  Must sleep soon.
>
>Leif
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Clemens Eisserer" <lin...@we...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 01:59
>Subject: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.
>
>
>
>>Hi there!
>>
>>First of all I want to speak out a very big thank you to all
>>
>dynapi-developers. It is amazing what you guys made possible with
>cross-browser javascript.
>
>>The Soda-Servlet makes the whole situation even better.
>>
>>I tried to create an simply SODA-RPC example, however I dont see any
>>
>requests at server-side.
>
>>Mozilla simply tells me that the request timed out (but I know that
>>
>the URL is valid, it even works when hand-typing).
>
>>Any ideas whats wrong?
>>
>>PS: Running with Opera or Konqueror I get the following error:
>>
>"IOElement Error: no load element". Is this a bug in my code or in
>dynapi. I am using dynapi_cvs.
>
>>PS2: I have some problems running the tree-demo using Opera-7.5. I
>>
>complains that it cant fine TreeNode (or NodeInfo or something like
>that). Should I post the problems (maybe a bug in library-loading code
>or opera, since code seems to be fine).
>
>>Heres the code:
>>
>><script language="Javascript">
>>   function initWS(con, s, errorText)
>>   {
>>     if(s != true)
>>     {
>>       alert("Error occured: "+errorText);
>>     }
>>   }
>>
>>     var io = new IOElement(1);
>>     io.createWebService('SodaTest', "http://localhost:3355/soda",
>>
>initWS, false);
>
>>     io.SodaTest.call('test', {}, null);
>></script>
>>
>>Thanks in advance and good luck with dynapi, lg Clemens
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Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Clemens E. <lin...@we...>]

<html><style>p {margin: 0px}</style><body style='font-size:9pt; font-family:Verdana; font-family: Verdana' ><P>Hello!</P><P>First of all thanks a lot fo the fast answer!<BR><BR>&gt;What server-side script are you using? The library has both client-side<BR>&gt;and server-side components. Does http://localhost:3355/soda refer to a<BR>&gt;renamed version of the ASP-JScript, ASP-VBScript, PHP or Perl version,<BR>&gt;or something custom? The files are found in the examples folder,<BR>&gt;ioelmsrv.langext and ioelmsrv.soda.langext where langext is the language<BR>&gt;extension. The ASP is likely functional, the PHP likely buggy, the Perl<BR>&gt;version is not complete. If at all possible, you need access to the web<BR>&gt;server's log file. I also highly recommend the "Live HTTP Headers"<BR>&gt;plugin for Mozilla to view the programmatic (non-visible) requests and<BR>&gt;responses.<BR></P><P>I use the java-servlet version, however I dont see any messages from the server although t!
 here should be one. I will try to get the clac-servlet-demo working.</P><P>The problem&nbsp; I had with konqueror and opera (no load object&nbsp; or so..) also happens with the soda-demos.</P><P>Thanks a lot, lg Clemens</P><P>PS: I found some "bad-loops" (for(var ...) in dynapi-code, may I correct this and send it back to you or somewhere else?</P><br><br><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td bgcolor="#000000"><img src="http://img.web.de/p.gif" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" /></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:verdana; font-size:12px; line-height:17px;">Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS!&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>Jetzt neu bei WEB.DE FreeMail: <A HREF="http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021193"><B>http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021193</B></A>&nbsp;&nbsp;</td></tr></table></body></html>

Re: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

Hello,

What server-side script are you using?  The library has both client-side
and server-side components.  Does http://localhost:3355/soda refer to a
renamed version of the ASP-JScript, ASP-VBScript, PHP or Perl version,
or something custom?  The files are found in the examples folder,
ioelmsrv.langext and ioelmsrv.soda.langext where langext is the language
extension.  The ASP is likely functional, the PHP likely buggy, the Perl
version is not complete.  If at all possible, you need access to the web
server's log file.  I also highly recommend the "Live HTTP Headers"
plugin for Mozilla to view the programmatic (non-visible) requests and
responses.

I have no time to develop or fix the PHP or Perl versions which I
started, but I really want to see them working.  Tomorrow I will take a
look.  Must sleep soon.

Leif

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clemens Eisserer" <lin...@we...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 01:59
Subject: [Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.


> Hi there!
>
> First of all I want to speak out a very big thank you to all
dynapi-developers. It is amazing what you guys made possible with
cross-browser javascript.
> The Soda-Servlet makes the whole situation even better.
>
> I tried to create an simply SODA-RPC example, however I dont see any
requests at server-side.
> Mozilla simply tells me that the request timed out (but I know that
the URL is valid, it even works when hand-typing).
> Any ideas whats wrong?
>
> PS: Running with Opera or Konqueror I get the following error:
"IOElement Error: no load element". Is this a bug in my code or in
dynapi. I am using dynapi_cvs.
> PS2: I have some problems running the tree-demo using Opera-7.5. I
complains that it cant fine TreeNode (or NodeInfo or something like
that). Should I post the problems (maybe a bug in library-loading code
or opera, since code seems to be fine).
>
> Heres the code:
>
> <script language="Javascript">
>    function initWS(con, s, errorText)
>    {
>      if(s != true)
>      {
>        alert("Error occured: "+errorText);
>      }
>    }
>
>      var io = new IOElement(1);
>      io.createWebService('SodaTest', "http://localhost:3355/soda",
initWS, false);
>      io.SodaTest.call('test', {}, null);
> </script>
>
> Thanks in advance and good luck with dynapi, lg Clemens
> __________________________________________________________
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[Dynapi-Help] Need some help with IOElement, please.

[Clemens E. <lin...@we...>]

Hi there!

First of all I want to speak out a very big thank you to all dynapi-developers. It is amazing what you guys made possible with cross-browser javascript.
The Soda-Servlet makes the whole situation even better.

I tried to create an simply SODA-RPC example, however I dont see any requests at server-side. 
Mozilla simply tells me that the request timed out (but I know that the URL is valid, it even works when hand-typing).
Any ideas whats wrong?

PS: Running with Opera or Konqueror I get the following error: "IOElement Error: no load element". Is this a bug in my code or in dynapi. I am using dynapi_cvs.
PS2: I have some problems running the tree-demo using Opera-7.5. I complains that it cant fine TreeNode (or NodeInfo or something like that). Should I post the problems (maybe a bug in library-loading code or opera, since code seems to be fine).

Heres the code:

<script language="Javascript">
   function initWS(con, s, errorText)
   {
     if(s != true)
     {
       alert("Error occured: "+errorText);
     }
   }
   
     var io = new IOElement(1);
     io.createWebService('SodaTest', "http://localhost:3355/soda", initWS, false);
     io.SodaTest.call('test', {}, null);
</script>

Thanks in advance and good luck with dynapi, lg Clemens
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Re: [Dynapi-Help] Events, is it possible to keep triggering events while mousebutton is held down?

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joop Quadackers" <jq...@ho...>
To: "dynapi-help" <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:44
Subject: [Dynapi-Help] Events, is it possible to keep triggering events
while mousebutton is held down?


> Hello,
>
> last weekend I tried to do some animation with the Dynapi3. I have an
animated character on the screen which can be
> controlled with the arrow-keys on the keyboard. That works perfectly.
But when I want to control the character by clicking on
> (and holding down) North, East, South and West arrow pictures on the
screen, it only calls the subroutine once and the
> character only moves a couple of pixels to the desired direction. I
have to release the mousebutton and click again to trigger another
event.

I'd have to try this in code to be sure but am busy atm.  :-\  Would
something like this pseudocode work?  I forget if an object property
already exists that holds the down state or if so, what it's called.  I
just call it "mouse_down_flag" here.

onmousedown = function
{
    obj.mouse_down_flag = true;

    while ( obj.mouse_down_flag == true )
    {
        move in specific direction;
    }
}

onmouseup = function
{
    obj.mouse_down_flag = false;
}


Also try the CVS copy, as your results may vary from the beta copy.

Leif


> Code:
>
>
> evn = {};
> evn.onmousedown= function(e) {
> var o = e.getOrigin();
>
> if (o=="DynObject.all.south"){
> character.setLocation(character.x,character.y+5);
> character.setFrame(7)
> character.playAnimation(true,'8>7,7<8,8<7')
> }
>
>
>
> Then I tried triggering slide-animations with mousedown events, and
stopping them with mouseup, which also worked.
> But then I couldn't get the actual X and Y positions of the moved
character, it always started at the original  slide-animation coords..
>
> I used this code in listener.onpathstop or listener.onpathstart to
update the coords, but like I said it didn't work:
>
> xx=o.getX();
> yy=o.getY();
>
> character.setX(xx);
> character.setY(yy);
> character.setPosition(xx,yy)
>
>
> I read some stuff about events, tried to use invokeEvent('mouseup')
but that also didn't work when the mousebutton is still pressed.
>
> Can it be done, or would you recommend using the keyboard for
controlling animation?
>
> Btw, I use WinXP with Mozilla 1.7, Firefox 0.9 and IExplorer 6.0 with
the Dynapi3 beta.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joop
>
> Btw I really hope there will be more Dynapi3 activity, it's a great
toolkit!
>
>
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[Dynapi-Help] Events, is it possible to keep triggering events while mousebutton is held down?

[Joop Q. <jq...@ho...>]

Hello,

last weekend I tried to do some animation with the Dynapi3. I have an animated character on the screen which can be
controlled with the arrow-keys on the keyboard. That works perfectly. But when I want to control the character by clicking on
(and holding down) North, East, South and West arrow pictures on the screen, it only calls the subroutine once and the
character only moves a couple of pixels to the desired direction. I have to release the mousebutton and click again to trigger another event.

Code:


evn = {};
	evn.onmousedown= function(e) {
	var o = e.getOrigin();

	if (o=="DynObject.all.south"){
	character.setLocation(character.x,character.y+5);
	character.setFrame(7) 
	character.playAnimation(true,'8>7,7<8,8<7')
}



Then I tried triggering slide-animations with mousedown events, and stopping them with mouseup, which also worked.
But then I couldn't get the actual X and Y positions of the moved character, it always started at the original  slide-animation coords..

I used this code in listener.onpathstop or listener.onpathstart to update the coords, but like I said it didn't work:

	xx=o.getX();
	yy=o.getY();
	
	character.setX(xx);
	character.setY(yy);
	character.setPosition(xx,yy)


I read some stuff about events, tried to use invokeEvent('mouseup') but that also didn't work when the mousebutton is still pressed.

Can it be done, or would you recommend using the keyboard for controlling animation?

Btw, I use WinXP with Mozilla 1.7, Firefox 0.9 and IExplorer 6.0 with the Dynapi3 beta.

Thanks!

Joop

Btw I really hope there will be more Dynapi3 activity, it's a great toolkit!

[Dynapi-Help] Dynapi 3.0.0 again

[Ronald <mu0...@bu...>]

How does it come that shift+left click and ctrl+left click doesn't work in firefox? It seems to be 
disabled by dynapi. However, in IE it's working...

Regarding my last problem with this.elm.clientWidth and this.elm.clientHeight, I found the problem. 
It seems as if IE cannot tell the width and height of the window before the document is completly 
loaded. However, in firefox it's working...

Ronald

[Dynapi-Help] this.elm.clientWidth is null or not an object

[Ronald <mu0...@bu...>]

Hi,

In msie using dynapi 3.0.0 I get the following message:

"this.elm.clientWidth is null or not an object"

What could be wrong?

Ronald

Re: [Dynapi-Help] IOElement, get Data

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Hi Michael,

Normally my price ranges from US$50 to US$80+ per
hour.

You can setup the VNC and I can give it a try.

__
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--- Michael Herlihy <mi...@m2...> wrote:

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> 
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> and I fix a permission denied error when setting
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> and osx).
> 
> I know its hard to put a figure on debugging but a
> ball-park figure / 
> hourly-rate would be appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 02:12 PM 9/17/04, you wrote:
> 
> >Sounds cool. I'll take you up on the offer.
> >
> >PS. Currently I'm involve in some projects that are
> >taking up time. I could drop some of them and spend
> >some but the thing is that they help to pay the
> bills.
> >What if I where to startup a paid or donated
> support
> >system on my site, will anyone be interesting? This
> >way I'll be able to spend more time, improving and
> >supporting the project to the fullest. Anyone
> agrees?
> >
> >
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> >
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> > > It's available 24-7 hosted on a T1.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > and
> > > >update the files. As for Safari I don't know
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[Dynapi-Help] Suggstion: functions to get the X and Y offset

[Ronald <mu0...@bu...>]

Hi!

I would like to be able to find the X and Y Offset of the current document. I can't see it in the 
current dynapi. Is this the right place to submit such a suggestion?

I guess something like this should do it (in dyndocument.js):

p.pageYOffset = function() {
	return dynapi.ua.ie?document.body.scrollTop:window.pageYOffset;
}

p.pageXOffset = function() {
	return dynapi.ua.ie?document.body.scrollLeft:window.pageXOffset;
}

I've also submitted the suggestion in sourceforge/dynapi.

What do you think?

Ronald

Re: [Dynapi-Help] IOElement, get Data

[Michael H. <mi...@m2...>]

I would be interested in donating.

I need to be able to set drag in OSX Safari.
and I fix a permission denied error when setting html in IE Macintosh (os9 
and osx).

I know its hard to put a figure on debugging but a ball-park figure / 
hourly-rate would be appreciated.

Regards,
Michael Herlihy





At 02:12 PM 9/17/04, you wrote:

>Sounds cool. I'll take you up on the offer.
>
>PS. Currently I'm involve in some projects that are
>taking up time. I could drop some of them and spend
>some but the thing is that they help to pay the bills.
>What if I where to startup a paid or donated support
>system on my site, will anyone be interesting? This
>way I'll be able to spend more time, improving and
>supporting the project to the fullest. Anyone agrees?
>
>
>__
>Raymond Irving
>
>--- Michael Herlihy <mi...@m2...> wrote:
>
> > I can give you VNC access to a computer with OSX
> > It's available 24-7 hosted on a T1.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 07:17 AM 9/17/04, you wrote:
> > >Thanks to all who continues to support the project
> > and
> > >update the files. As for Safari I don't know what
> > to
> > >do since Mac OS X is very expensive. Maybe one day
> > >I'll be able to test mac osx
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Re: [Dynapi-Help] IOElement, get Data

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 17:12
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Help] IOElement, get Data
>
> Sounds cool. I'll take you up on the offer.
>
> PS. Currently I'm involve in some projects that are
> taking up time. I could drop some of them and spend
> some but the thing is that they help to pay the bills.
> What if I where to startup a paid or donated support
> system on my site, will anyone be interesting? This
> way I'll be able to spend more time, improving and
> supporting the project to the fullest. Anyone agrees?

Sounds like a reasonable idea to have a paid and/or donate site.  I'm
not so fast at coding, and always seem to be sidetracked (hardware
problems, daily living, etc.) despite intending to get my hands back
into the DynAPI.  So for me, I'd just donate my time and not expect
anything but would accept anything.  In any case, if you need to pay
bills, you need to get paid by the hour to ensure you're not going
offline or carless or homeless.  :p  But if you're paying for code to be
written or debugged, you want to pay based on satisfactory results, and
a reasonable time table.  But each result may take variable amounts of
time.

Taking all of this into account, maybe outstanding items that people
want to see fixed could itemized, and a time and cost estimate be
published, and open the task to be donated to at any time (donations
would not guarantee a timeframe), or if someone wants to pay the
remainder in full (payment would guarantee a timeframe), the item could
receive highest priority.  Coders could have an account to log in to,
see what work needs to be done, who's willing to pay, the priority
ranking of each item, see who's working on what, and perhaps request
assignment to the task.  No money would ever change hands until what was
outlined was satisfactorily achieved by both donater and coder.

Maybe a good idea, but could potentially have some pitfalls which would
need to be navigated carefully.  I know people get funny sometimes when
money changes hands.  Clear outlines of specific pieces of work and
expected results are key points, as well not straying to unrelated
features or modifications.

Leif