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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


> I like this logo design. The swirl looks great with
> the "DynAPI" and the colors IMO complements each
> other.

Thanks!  If I can find a suitable free font that I can use I'll gladly
incorporate it into the logo.  Can anyone suggest any font depots?

> > Leif
> >
> > P.S. Rant post-mortem: lessons learned (hopefully I
> > don't get told to STFU).
> >        1) Can't make unilateral decisions or
> > communications, if only to
> > cover yourself later.  Best to send off a quick note
> > to the group to avoid
> > misinterpretations.
> >        2) Can't jump to conclusions, you may not
> > have all the info.  Expend
> > less energy by gathering more info first than by
> > getting worked up only to
> > appologize later.
>
> LOL. You know, one thing that I've learnt is that it
> takes a man to say I'm sorry :) It give a sense on
> humility and nobility.
>

BTW I was speaking from vast experience on the matter and was just noting as
an impartial 3rd party, when it's easier said than done.  :-)

Leif

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

See below:

--- Leif W <war...@us...> wrote:
> How's this logo concept?  Colors and font may need
> tweaking.  I didn't use a
> font so text may be chunky; I just copied the bitmap
> of a screenshot of the
> PDF as big as I could get, then reduced it's size
> again.  :-)
> 
> Regarding the logos at
>
http://www.creative-workshop.com/doug/dynapi_logos.zip
> , I first excluded
> all the ones that looked like an accident, then
> excluded the ones that maybe
> weren't too clear to read, and excluded all the ones
> that didn't have some
> logo attempt (since that was stated as an
> objective), excluded the ones that
> looked like buttons.  This left #7, which I then
> noticed looks a lot like
> the Win2k install logos.  So instead of reproducing
> another look, I just
> integrated the donated swirly logo (#2 in the PDF)
> and added some lines to
> draw the attention from the logo, across the word,
> focussing on API.
> 
> Any comments?

I like this logo design. The swirl looks great with
the "DynAPI" and the colors IMO complements each
other.
 
> Leif
> 
> P.S. Rant post-mortem: lessons learned (hopefully I
> don't get told to STFU).
>        1) Can't make unilateral decisions or
> communications, if only to
> cover yourself later.  Best to send off a quick note
> to the group to avoid
> misinterpretations.
>        2) Can't jump to conclusions, you may not
> have all the info.  Expend
> less energy by gathering more info first than by
> getting worked up only to
> appologize later.

LOL. You know, one thing that I've learnt is that it
takes a man to say I'm sorry :) It give a sense on
humility and nobility.

>        3) Maybe nobody liked the specific logos
> suggested, but it has
> introduced some new ideas, and that in and of itself
> serves a purpose (i.e.
> motivated me -- and hopefully others -- to try our
> own designs), so
> hopefully it's not seen as a loss by the company who
> so generously invested
> effort.
> 
> P.P.S. I know I've only contributed a little to the
> API, and I've been out
> of it for a while now.  Just get into a funk and
> lose motivation.  So I
> contribute where I can, when I find motivation, like
> with this logo.
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2 image/gif name=DynAPI_Logo-000.gif



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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

How's this logo concept?  Colors and font may need tweaking.  I didn't use a
font so text may be chunky; I just copied the bitmap of a screenshot of the
PDF as big as I could get, then reduced it's size again.  :-)

Regarding the logos at
http://www.creative-workshop.com/doug/dynapi_logos.zip , I first excluded
all the ones that looked like an accident, then excluded the ones that maybe
weren't too clear to read, and excluded all the ones that didn't have some
logo attempt (since that was stated as an objective), excluded the ones that
looked like buttons.  This left #7, which I then noticed looks a lot like
the Win2k install logos.  So instead of reproducing another look, I just
integrated the donated swirly logo (#2 in the PDF) and added some lines to
draw the attention from the logo, across the word, focussing on API.

Any comments?

Leif

P.S. Rant post-mortem: lessons learned (hopefully I don't get told to STFU).
       1) Can't make unilateral decisions or communications, if only to
cover yourself later.  Best to send off a quick note to the group to avoid
misinterpretations.
       2) Can't jump to conclusions, you may not have all the info.  Expend
less energy by gathering more info first than by getting worked up only to
appologize later.
       3) Maybe nobody liked the specific logos suggested, but it has
introduced some new ideas, and that in and of itself serves a purpose (i.e.
motivated me -- and hopefully others -- to try our own designs), so
hopefully it's not seen as a loss by the company who so generously invested
effort.

P.P.S. I know I've only contributed a little to the API, and I've been out
of it for a while now.  Just get into a funk and lose motivation.  So I
contribute where I can, when I find motivation, like with this logo.

[Dynapi-Dev] Oh sure.. now they all come through.. :-)

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

figures.. the link still stands though.

[Dynapi-Dev] in noting that my messages have not all come through still yet..

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Full archive at:
www.creative-workshop.com/doug/dynapi_logos.zip

Sorry about the chaos.

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] about the website.

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Uh, Me?
By keys, I meen admin rights.. you know.. to update every aspect of the
site.

As for delegating.. While I admint It is good to know who is doing waht..
At the same time we need to have a backup as well.

Hell, If I was responsible for updating CVS, we'd be screwed as I have not
known my password for about a year and a half.. (I'm sure you've heard this
rant before)

This is why I want more than one person set up to admin the site right up
front.

This way it does not take two bloddy years to get a new user assigned to
admin the site.

I am perfectly willing to take on this role.
I am even willing to produce nightly builds..
But we gotta get sourceforge of it's ass to do this..

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
To: "DynAPI-Dev" <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] about the website.


>
> --- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> > The reason why there has been no innovation in the
> > design of our website is that noone seems to have
> > the keys to the damned site.
> >
> > Every time the someone mentions updating the site,
> > all we get back is "we need to talk to X about
> > that.." and X never appears.. Who DOES have the
> > keys?
>
> When you say "keys"  what do you mean?
>
> > And this time, if we can get the sorceforge people
> > of their lazy asses sometime _this_ year to
> > re-assign the maintenance rights.. can we PLEASE
> > assign MORE THAN ONE person these rights? This way
> > having one person drop out does not block us from
> > doing what we want when we want.
>
> I'll see what I can do about this, but firstly we must
> delegate such responsibilty to persons who are willing
> to help in such areas. Who would like to work on the
> website and to help in the maintenance?
>
> --
> Raymond Irving
>
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Not so far-fetched actually..
There is no reason at all that we could not produce a "desktop"
in DynAPI.. Helll.. with window's active desktop we could literally produce
a desktop..

:-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


>
> Well I understand and I'm sorry for not firstly
> informing the group of this idea. It's just that I
> like change and I have a vision of what DynAPI can
> become... the next Windows (not Microsoft) of the web.
> Well, that might sound far fetched but it's a dream!
>
>
> --
> Raymond Irving
>
>
> --- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> > Raymond.
> > Can you see things from my perspective?
> > I'm sitting here reading the list when some company
> > I've never heard of
> > before (there was no mention of the editor) say's
> > "we've been asked to..."
> > And yet there was _NO_ mention of it in the list.
> > Having had some experience
> > with several open source projects. Also some
> > experienece with protecting
> > DynAPI from one or more commercial entity I have
> > worked with.. ( "Can't we
> > just rename it and sell it with the product?" ) I am
> > naturally defensive
> > when out of the blue, what seems to me to be a
> > graphic design company says,
> > "we've been asked to.." I was simply wondering who
> > had asked them. If there
> > had been som warning of this, I would most certainly
> > not have jumped to the
> > conclusions I had.
> >
> > As I had assumed they where a graphic design
> > company, I didn't think it
> > likly that they would be doing this for free.
> > Therfore the question
> > remained: Who was paying for someone to design a
> > logo for DynAPI? Did some
> > corporation somewhere think they where going to buy,
> > or package DynAPI? IF
> > so, WHO?!?
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
> > To: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>;
> > <dyn...@li...>
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Who asked your company to design a logo for
> > DynAPI
> > > > 3?
> > >
> > > I did
> > >
> > > > And why? Did it not occur to them that we may
> > > > already have on eo tmore
> > > > logos?
> > >
> > > Well I far as I can see there weren't any logos
> > > displayed on the dynapi website or used in the
> > distros
> > > (I stand corrected). Juhu's company is developing
> > a
> > > WYSIWYG editor that uses DynAPI for client-side
> > object
> > > creation. They've invested some time into
> > research,
> > > designs, etc. On such basis I said why not get
> > some
> > > new logo ideas? So I asked him to scheduled some
> > of
> > > hos graphic designers, programmers to aid with the
> > > development of the API, etc. I don't see anything
> > > wrong with new ideas? And it would be even better
> > if a
> > > lot more companies would see the benefits of the
> > API.
> > >
> > > > Does your company simply have no respect for
> > > > open-source software?
> > >
> > > A proposal for new logos designs does not violate
> > the
> > > principles of open-source software. I personally
> > asked
> > > him to design the logos and then post them to the
> > > group to get their feedback on the new ideas.
> > >
> > > > Just wondering.
> > > >
> > > > Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit
> > > > strange that your company
> > > > was
> > > > "asked to design a logo" for this open-source
> > > > project, when yet there has
> > > > been to mention of this to the actuall
> > developers of
> > > > the project. It would
> > > > seem to me that this is somewhat similar to
> > asking
> > > > your neighbor what color
> > > > they want their house painted- when they do not
> > even
> > > > know you intend to
> > > > paint their house.
> > >
> > > Not so at all. Sometime ago Jordi posted a link of
> > > what was considered a new design for the DynAPI
> > web
> > > site. Up to this day I've not heard anything more
> > > about it. Many of the past developers are either
> > just
> > > watching the list or just don't care anymore!
> > There is
> > > only a few of us left, so I think it it would be
> > cool
> > > if we can get some _new_ ideas, _new_ designs and
> > even
> > > a _new_ website.
> > > IMO there's nothing wrong with a proposal. What if
> > > someone should approach you and said I think your
> > > house would look better if it was colored in blue
> > and
> > > white? But before they can even approach you they
> > > would first have to design you a model of the
> > house
> > > painted in blue and white.
> > >
> > > > If someone from the Project has indeed approched
> > you
> > > > then I will appologize
> > > > immediatly.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> > > > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> > > > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > Our company was asked to design logo for
> > DynAPI3.
> > > > I tried to post PDF
> > > > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3
> > designed
> > > > by our company. It didn't
> > > > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files
> > containing
> > > > logos.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach
> > in to
> > > > logo design. --> The
> > > > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the
> > goals
> > > > was credibility and
> > > > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> > > > wanted to maximize the
> > > > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> > > > websites, prints and online
> > > > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not
> > work
> > > > in prints).
> > > > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main
> > color.
> > > > The reason is red is
> > > > > understood as color of technology, but it is
> > not
> > > > that much used as blue
> > > > is.
> > > > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> > > > personal favorites are 2
> > > > and
> > > > > 4.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a
> > one
> > > > we could use as DynAPI
> > > > > logo from nowon? Votes?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] about the website.

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

--- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> The reason why there has been no innovation in the
> design of our website is that noone seems to have
> the keys to the damned site. 
> 
> Every time the someone mentions updating the site,
> all we get back is "we need to talk to X about
> that.." and X never appears.. Who DOES have the
> keys? 

When you say "keys"  what do you mean?

> And this time, if we can get the sorceforge people
> of their lazy asses sometime _this_ year to
> re-assign the maintenance rights.. can we PLEASE
> assign MORE THAN ONE person these rights? This way
> having one person drop out does not block us from
> doing what we want when we want.

I'll see what I can do about this, but firstly we must
delegate such responsibilty to persons who are willing
to help in such areas. Who would like to work on the
website and to help in the maintenance?

--
Raymond Irving



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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Well I understand and I'm sorry for not firstly
informing the group of this idea. It's just that I
like change and I have a vision of what DynAPI can
become... the next Windows (not Microsoft) of the web.
Well, that might sound far fetched but it's a dream!


--
Raymond Irving


--- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> Raymond.
> Can you see things from my perspective?
> I'm sitting here reading the list when some company
> I've never heard of
> before (there was no mention of the editor) say's
> "we've been asked to..."
> And yet there was _NO_ mention of it in the list.
> Having had some experience
> with several open source projects. Also some
> experienece with protecting
> DynAPI from one or more commercial entity I have
> worked with.. ( "Can't we
> just rename it and sell it with the product?" ) I am
> naturally defensive
> when out of the blue, what seems to me to be a
> graphic design company says,
> "we've been asked to.." I was simply wondering who
> had asked them. If there
> had been som warning of this, I would most certainly
> not have jumped to the
> conclusions I had.
> 
> As I had assumed they where a graphic design
> company, I didn't think it
> likly that they would be doing this for free.
> Therfore the question
> remained: Who was paying for someone to design a
> logo for DynAPI? Did some
> corporation somewhere think they where going to buy,
> or package DynAPI? IF
> so, WHO?!?
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
> To: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>;
> <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> 
> 
> >
> > --- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...>
> wrote:
> > > Who asked your company to design a logo for
> DynAPI
> > > 3?
> >
> > I did
> >
> > > And why? Did it not occur to them that we may
> > > already have on eo tmore
> > > logos?
> >
> > Well I far as I can see there weren't any logos
> > displayed on the dynapi website or used in the
> distros
> > (I stand corrected). Juhu's company is developing
> a
> > WYSIWYG editor that uses DynAPI for client-side
> object
> > creation. They've invested some time into
> research,
> > designs, etc. On such basis I said why not get
> some
> > new logo ideas? So I asked him to scheduled some
> of
> > hos graphic designers, programmers to aid with the
> > development of the API, etc. I don't see anything
> > wrong with new ideas? And it would be even better
> if a
> > lot more companies would see the benefits of the
> API.
> >
> > > Does your company simply have no respect for
> > > open-source software?
> >
> > A proposal for new logos designs does not violate
> the
> > principles of open-source software. I personally
> asked
> > him to design the logos and then post them to the
> > group to get their feedback on the new ideas.
> >
> > > Just wondering.
> > >
> > > Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit
> > > strange that your company
> > > was
> > > "asked to design a logo" for this open-source
> > > project, when yet there has
> > > been to mention of this to the actuall
> developers of
> > > the project. It would
> > > seem to me that this is somewhat similar to
> asking
> > > your neighbor what color
> > > they want their house painted- when they do not
> even
> > > know you intend to
> > > paint their house.
> >
> > Not so at all. Sometime ago Jordi posted a link of
> > what was considered a new design for the DynAPI
> web
> > site. Up to this day I've not heard anything more
> > about it. Many of the past developers are either
> just
> > watching the list or just don't care anymore!
> There is
> > only a few of us left, so I think it it would be
> cool
> > if we can get some _new_ ideas, _new_ designs and
> even
> > a _new_ website.
> > IMO there's nothing wrong with a proposal. What if
> > someone should approach you and said I think your
> > house would look better if it was colored in blue
> and
> > white? But before they can even approach you they
> > would first have to design you a model of the
> house
> > painted in blue and white.
> >
> > > If someone from the Project has indeed approched
> you
> > > then I will appologize
> > > immediatly.
> > >
> > > Anyone?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> > > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> > > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Our company was asked to design logo for
> DynAPI3.
> > > I tried to post PDF
> > > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3
> designed
> > > by our company. It didn't
> > > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files
> containing
> > > logos.
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > > >
> > > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach
> in to
> > > logo design. --> The
> > > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the
> goals
> > > was credibility and
> > > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> > > wanted to maximize the
> > > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> > > websites, prints and online
> > > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not
> work
> > > in prints).
> > > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main
> color.
> > > The reason is red is
> > > > understood as color of technology, but it is
> not
> > > that much used as blue
> > > is.
> > > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> > > personal favorites are 2
> > > and
> > > > 4.
> > > >
> > > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a
> one
> > > we could use as DynAPI
> > > > logo from nowon? Votes?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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[Dynapi-Dev] about the website.

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

The reason why there has been no innovation in the design of our website =
is that noone seems to have the keys to the damned site.=20

Every time the someone mentions updating the site, all we get back is =
"we need to talk to X about that.." and X never appears.. Who DOES have =
the keys?=20

And this time, if we can get the sorceforge people of their lazy asses =
sometime _this_ year to
re-assign the maintenance rights.. can we PLEASE assign MORE THAN ONE =
person these rights? This way having one person drop out does not block =
us from doing what we want when we want.

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Raymond.
Can you see things from my perspective?
I'm sitting here reading the list when some company I've never heard of
before (there was no mention of the editor) say's "we've been asked to..."
And yet there was _NO_ mention of it in the list. Having had some experience
with several open source projects. Also some experienece with protecting
DynAPI from one or more commercial entity I have worked with.. ( "Can't we
just rename it and sell it with the product?" ) I am naturally defensive
when out of the blue, what seems to me to be a graphic design company says,
"we've been asked to.." I was simply wondering who had asked them. If there
had been som warning of this, I would most certainly not have jumped to the
conclusions I had.

As I had assumed they where a graphic design company, I didn't think it
likly that they would be doing this for free. Therfore the question
remained: Who was paying for someone to design a logo for DynAPI? Did some
corporation somewhere think they where going to buy, or package DynAPI? IF
so, WHO?!?



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
To: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>;
<dyn...@li...>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


>
> --- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> > Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI
> > 3?
>
> I did
>
> > And why? Did it not occur to them that we may
> > already have on eo tmore
> > logos?
>
> Well I far as I can see there weren't any logos
> displayed on the dynapi website or used in the distros
> (I stand corrected). Juhu's company is developing a
> WYSIWYG editor that uses DynAPI for client-side object
> creation. They've invested some time into research,
> designs, etc. On such basis I said why not get some
> new logo ideas? So I asked him to scheduled some of
> hos graphic designers, programmers to aid with the
> development of the API, etc. I don't see anything
> wrong with new ideas? And it would be even better if a
> lot more companies would see the benefits of the API.
>
> > Does your company simply have no respect for
> > open-source software?
>
> A proposal for new logos designs does not violate the
> principles of open-source software. I personally asked
> him to design the logos and then post them to the
> group to get their feedback on the new ideas.
>
> > Just wondering.
> >
> > Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit
> > strange that your company
> > was
> > "asked to design a logo" for this open-source
> > project, when yet there has
> > been to mention of this to the actuall developers of
> > the project. It would
> > seem to me that this is somewhat similar to asking
> > your neighbor what color
> > they want their house painted- when they do not even
> > know you intend to
> > paint their house.
>
> Not so at all. Sometime ago Jordi posted a link of
> what was considered a new design for the DynAPI web
> site. Up to this day I've not heard anything more
> about it. Many of the past developers are either just
> watching the list or just don't care anymore! There is
> only a few of us left, so I think it it would be cool
> if we can get some _new_ ideas, _new_ designs and even
> a _new_ website.
> IMO there's nothing wrong with a proposal. What if
> someone should approach you and said I think your
> house would look better if it was colored in blue and
> white? But before they can even approach you they
> would first have to design you a model of the house
> painted in blue and white.
>
> > If someone from the Project has indeed approched you
> > then I will appologize
> > immediatly.
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3.
> > I tried to post PDF
> > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed
> > by our company. It didn't
> > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing
> > logos.
> > >
> > > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > >
> > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > >
> > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to
> > logo design. --> The
> > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals
> > was credibility and
> > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> > wanted to maximize the
> > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> > websites, prints and online
> > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work
> > in prints).
> > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color.
> > The reason is red is
> > > understood as color of technology, but it is not
> > that much used as blue
> > is.
> > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> > personal favorites are 2
> > and
> > > 4.
> > >
> > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one
> > we could use as DynAPI
> > > logo from nowon? Votes?
> > >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Well then, I really am sorry.

As for the aformantioned logos, I would have to agree with Leif.
I don't particularly like any of them..

I could be just the quality of the images in your PDF..
but they don't look as 'crisp' as I am accustomed to in a "commercial" logo.
They seem somewhat pixelated.

I'm not going to argue colors.. but I will argue that the logo should have a
crisp
look to it.. smooth edges and a definate lack of pixelated edges..

Of all the ones you posted, I like the first one most (or dislike it the
least? <grin> )

What is the font called? Maybe we can find a free equivlent. Or even make
one. We could then create an anti-aliased version of the logo.

To the rest of the team: does anyone have ANY of the old logos?
I will try to find some of them myself.. but if anyone's hardrive has not
blown up ten times in the last two years, maybe one of you would still have
the old logos (and there where a lot of them) in an archive somewhere.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
To: <do...@cr...>; <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


> Hello.
>
> >Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI 3?
>
> Raymond Irving --> One of the DynAPI developers.
>
> >And why? Did it not occur to them that we may already have on eo tmore
> >logos?
>
> Yes, we know that there is some logos. Currently there is several
different
> logos and looks used in different places. There is no clearly single logo
or
> single images in use. The goal was to design a better logo if possible and
> promote DynAPI image.
>
> >Does your company simply have no respect for open-source software?
>
> Yes we do. We are actively supporting DynAPI development. This logo
project
> was one of the action taken (not the only one), and it was started because
> we ware requested to do some suggestions.
>
> It's up to DynAPI community to decide if our suggestions are good enough.
> It's up to DynAPI community to decide if they want to use logo designed by
> us. Logo and mark are designed open source in mind, it is open source as
> well (the font, which is used to create the image is commercial, but the
> image it self, ei. mark + logo, is opensource).
>
> We are not trying to own DynAPI or anything. It's in our interest though
> that DynAPI is being actively developed and that DynAPI has a strong
image.
>
> >Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit strange that your
> >company was "asked to design a logo" for this open-source project,
> >when yet there has been to mention of this to the actuall developers
> >of the project. It would seem to me that this is somewhat similar to
> >asking your neighbor what color they want their house painted- when
> >they do not even know you intend to paint their house.
>
> I have discussed about this matter with Raymond and even though I haven't
> been very active in development I consider my self and our technical
manager
> Jukka Kortela as DynAPI developers as well.
>
> >If someone from the Project has indeed approched you then I will
> >appologize immediatly.
>
> >Anyone?
>
> Raymond Irving. Your appologize is accepted. :-)
>
>
> - Juho Risku / Helmi Staff
>   http://www.visualway.com/helmi
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> >To: <dyn...@li...>
> >Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> >Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It
> >didn't
> > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
> > >
> > > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > >
> > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > >
> > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. -->
The
> > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and
online
> > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red
is
> > > understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as
blue
> >is.
> > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are
2
> >and
> > > 4.
> > >
> > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as
> >DynAPI
> > > logo from nowon? Votes?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>
> >To: <dyn...@li...>
> >Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 00:03:40 -0400
> >
> >Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI 3?
> >And why? Did it not occur to them that we may already have on eo tmore
> >logos?
> >
> >Does your company simply have no respect for open-source software?
> >
> >Just wondering.
> >
> >Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit strange that your
company
> >was
> >"asked to design a logo" for this open-source project, when yet there has
> >been to mention of this to the actuall developers of the project. It
would
> >seem to me that this is somewhat similar to asking your neighbor what
color
> >they want their house painted- when they do not even know you intend to
> >paint their house.
> >
> >If someone from the Project has indeed approched you then I will
appologize
> >immediatly.
> >
> >Anyone?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> >To: <dyn...@li...>
> >Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> >Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It
> >didn't
> > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
> > >
> > > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > >
> > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > >
> > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. -->
The
> > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and
online
> > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red
is
> > > understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as
blue
> >is.
> > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are
2
> >and
> > > 4.
> > >
> > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as
> >DynAPI
> > > logo from nowon? Votes?
> > >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

--- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> Does anyone have all (or any) of the logos we had
> designed for DynAPI 2?

I view a logo as a symbol, or trademark designed for
easy and definite recognition. I _personally_ don't
like the idea of only using the name as a logo. I
would rather like to see a symbol been used with or
without the name. (Microsoft Windows for example)

> There where a few very nice ones.

Well, I would also like to see them.


--
Raymond Irving


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3.
> I tried to post PDF
> > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed
> by our company. It didn't
> > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing
> logos.
> >
> > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> >
> > Few comments about the PDF.
> >
> > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to
> logo design. --> The
> > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals
> was credibility and
> > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> wanted to maximize the
> > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> websites, prints and online
> > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work
> in prints).
> > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color.
> The reason is red is
> > understood as color of technology, but it is not
> that much used as blue
> is.
> > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> personal favorites are 2
> and
> > 4.
> >
> > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one
> we could use as DynAPI
> > logo from nowon? Votes?
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

--- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI
> 3?

I did

> And why? Did it not occur to them that we may
> already have on eo tmore
> logos?

Well I far as I can see there weren't any logos
displayed on the dynapi website or used in the distros
(I stand corrected). Juhu's company is developing a
WYSIWYG editor that uses DynAPI for client-side object
creation. They've invested some time into research,
designs, etc. On such basis I said why not get some
new logo ideas? So I asked him to scheduled some of
hos graphic designers, programmers to aid with the
development of the API, etc. I don't see anything
wrong with new ideas? And it would be even better if a
lot more companies would see the benefits of the API.

> Does your company simply have no respect for
> open-source software?

A proposal for new logos designs does not violate the
principles of open-source software. I personally asked
him to design the logos and then post them to the
group to get their feedback on the new ideas.

> Just wondering.
> 
> Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit
> strange that your company
> was
> "asked to design a logo" for this open-source
> project, when yet there has
> been to mention of this to the actuall developers of
> the project. It would
> seem to me that this is somewhat similar to asking
> your neighbor what color
> they want their house painted- when they do not even
> know you intend to
> paint their house.

Not so at all. Sometime ago Jordi posted a link of
what was considered a new design for the DynAPI web
site. Up to this day I've not heard anything more
about it. Many of the past developers are either just
watching the list or just don't care anymore! There is
only a few of us left, so I think it it would be cool
if we can get some _new_ ideas, _new_ designs and even
a _new_ website. 
IMO there's nothing wrong with a proposal. What if
someone should approach you and said I think your
house would look better if it was colored in blue and
white? But before they can even approach you they
would first have to design you a model of the house
painted in blue and white. 
 
> If someone from the Project has indeed approched you
> then I will appologize
> immediatly.
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3.
> I tried to post PDF
> > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed
> by our company. It didn't
> > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing
> logos.
> >
> > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> >
> > Few comments about the PDF.
> >
> > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to
> logo design. --> The
> > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals
> was credibility and
> > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> wanted to maximize the
> > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> websites, prints and online
> > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work
> in prints).
> > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color.
> The reason is red is
> > understood as color of technology, but it is not
> that much used as blue
> is.
> > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> personal favorites are 2
> and
> > 4.
> >
> > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one
> we could use as DynAPI
> > logo from nowon? Votes?
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

My 2 cents:

First of all, thanks to your company for the support and effort.
Unfortunately I don't care too much for any of the designs, but of the six,
I like #2 the best.  I like the swirly thing, don't know why.  A suggested
modification to #2 might be to make the Dyn and API different colors -- like
the colors used in #1 -- with the swirly thing and API the same color.

Leif

P.S.  In another post, you mention that the font isn't free.  Any chance of
getting hold of a free font that can be used for the logo text?

P.P.S.  How about the original design files, are they Adobe Photoshop or
Illustrator or something?  Will the original design files be made available
as well?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


> Hello,
>
> Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It didn't
> go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
>
> http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
>
> Few comments about the PDF.
>
> 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The
> results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> looking "large" gives propably some.
> 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online
> manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is
> understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue
is.
> 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2
and
> 4.
>
> So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as DynAPI
> logo from nowon? Votes?
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello.

>Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI 3?

Raymond Irving --> One of the DynAPI developers.

>And why? Did it not occur to them that we may already have on eo tmore
>logos?

Yes, we know that there is some logos. Currently there is several different 
logos and looks used in different places. There is no clearly single logo or 
single images in use. The goal was to design a better logo if possible and 
promote DynAPI image.

>Does your company simply have no respect for open-source software?

Yes we do. We are actively supporting DynAPI development. This logo project 
was one of the action taken (not the only one), and it was started because 
we ware requested to do some suggestions.

It's up to DynAPI community to decide if our suggestions are good enough. 
It's up to DynAPI community to decide if they want to use logo designed by 
us. Logo and mark are designed open source in mind, it is open source as 
well (the font, which is used to create the image is commercial, but the 
image it self, ei. mark + logo, is opensource).

We are not trying to own DynAPI or anything. It's in our interest though 
that DynAPI is being actively developed and that DynAPI has a strong image.

>Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit strange that your
>company was "asked to design a logo" for this open-source project,
>when yet there has been to mention of this to the actuall developers
>of the project. It would seem to me that this is somewhat similar to
>asking your neighbor what color they want their house painted- when
>they do not even know you intend to paint their house.

I have discussed about this matter with Raymond and even though I haven't 
been very active in development I consider my self and our technical manager 
Jukka Kortela as DynAPI developers as well.

>If someone from the Project has indeed approched you then I will
>appologize immediatly.

>Anyone?

Raymond Irving. Your appologize is accepted. :-)


- Juho Risku / Helmi Staff
  http://www.visualway.com/helmi

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>
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>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
>Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It 
>didn't
> > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
> >
> > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> >
> > Few comments about the PDF.
> >
> > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The
> > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> > usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online
> > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is
> > understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue
>is.
> > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2
>and
> > 4.
> >
> > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as 
>DynAPI
> > logo from nowon? Votes?






>From: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 00:03:40 -0400
>
>Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI 3?
>And why? Did it not occur to them that we may already have on eo tmore
>logos?
>
>Does your company simply have no respect for open-source software?
>
>Just wondering.
>
>Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit strange that your company
>was
>"asked to design a logo" for this open-source project, when yet there has
>been to mention of this to the actuall developers of the project. It would
>seem to me that this is somewhat similar to asking your neighbor what color
>they want their house painted- when they do not even know you intend to
>paint their house.
>
>If someone from the Project has indeed approched you then I will appologize
>immediatly.
>
>Anyone?
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
>Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It 
>didn't
> > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
> >
> > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> >
> > Few comments about the PDF.
> >
> > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The
> > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> > usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online
> > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is
> > understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue
>is.
> > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2
>and
> > 4.
> >
> > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as 
>DynAPI
> > logo from nowon? Votes?
> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI 3?
And why? Did it not occur to them that we may already have on eo tmore
logos?

Does your company simply have no respect for open-source software?

Just wondering.

Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit strange that your company
was
"asked to design a logo" for this open-source project, when yet there has
been to mention of this to the actuall developers of the project. It would
seem to me that this is somewhat similar to asking your neighbor what color
they want their house painted- when they do not even know you intend to
paint their house.

If someone from the Project has indeed approched you then I will appologize
immediatly.

Anyone?




----- Original Message -----
From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


> Hello,
>
> Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It didn't
> go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
>
> http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
>
> Few comments about the PDF.
>
> 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The
> results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> looking "large" gives propably some.
> 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online
> manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is
> understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue
is.
> 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2
and
> 4.
>
> So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as DynAPI
> logo from nowon? Votes?
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online
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>
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Does anyone have all (or any) of the logos we had designed for DynAPI 2?
There where a few very nice ones.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


> Hello,
>
> Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It didn't
> go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
>
> http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
>
> Few comments about the PDF.
>
> 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The
> results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> looking "large" gives propably some.
> 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online
> manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is
> understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue
is.
> 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2
and
> 4.
>
> So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as DynAPI
> logo from nowon? Votes?
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online
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>
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[Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello,

Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF 
containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It didn't 
go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.

http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf

Few comments about the PDF.

1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The 
results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and 
looking "large" gives propably some.
2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the 
usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online 
manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is 
understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue is.
3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2 and 
4.

So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as DynAPI 
logo from nowon? Votes?

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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] setborder bug - resolved?

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello,

The problem described below is excactly the issue I was telling earlier 
(comments about DynAPI3 beta thread). As a resolution I would suggest 
following:

1. We would use CSS method to define looks where ever it is possible. 
(Machintosh MSIE from version 5.x on, Opera from 6 on, Netscape from version 
6 on, PC MSIE from version 6.x on if doctype is defined, all other DOM 
compliant browsers etc.)

2. In other browsers we would create alternate method to create similar 
looks effect using layers or slightly modified style arguments (ie. for 
instance layer would be set larger than defined so that also the border 
would fit in), which ever is faster or more acurate.

In this way we would be ready for DOM browsers and for future, we could 
follow DOM standard and users wouldn't need how to do their code. They would 
just code like DOM suggests and results would be like they are in DOM 
browsers. There is one catch though. ... it may be easy or hard, I don't 
know at the moment, we would be need to be able to detect 
doctype-definitions from head in MSIE browsers (so that we could change the 
drawing method based on doctype definition on MSIE 6). Anyone knows wheter 
this is possible?


>From: Raymond Irving <xw...@ya...>
>To: dyn...@li...
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] setborder bug - resolved?
>Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:20:55 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>See Below:
>
>--- Dan Willemsen <da...@wi...> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 23:25, Raymond Irving wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I propose that instead using layers (highlighters)
> > to
> > > create borders in DOM browsers we simply extend
> > the
> > > clipped area (w,h)to twice the border size:
> > >
> > > var w=((this.w+this._borClipOff)||0);
> > > var h=((this.h+this._borClipOff)||0);
> > > this.css.clip='rect(0px '+w+'px '+h+'px 0px)';
> >
> > My question, why even bother with this in dom
> > browsers, you should be
> > able to set the css border property, and not touch
> > the clipping.
> > Shouldn't we?  This would allow some of the special
> > border designs on
> > new browsers(like dashed, dotted, inset, outset,
> > etc.)
>
>The problem we're having with DOM browsers is that the
>border is not part of the element (or content area)
>width/height. When setSize is called the clip property
>is set to the specified width/height of the layer.
>This makes it possible for us to change the content of
>a layer and not have the layer automatically adjust to
>the size of it's content, correct? Because of this
>when we set the border property we will not be able to
>see the right and bottom borders due to the clipping.
>
>--
>Raymond Irving
>
> > >
> > > The above will cause layers when viewed in DOM to
> > > appear a little wider than when viewed in IE. This
> > > should not be a problem for most designs as the
> > > deigner can work around this. My main reason for
> > doing
> > > this is obvious... CSS is much faster than using
> > > layers to create borders.
> > >
> > > The designer will also have the option of using
> > > highlighters to create borders in either IE or
> > DOM.
> > > This is done by drawing four child layers around
> > the
> > > parent layer:
> > >
> > > setBorder(size, color, useLyr);
> > > size = size of border
> > > color = color of border (e.g. "#FF00FF" or
> > > {top:"#FFFFFF", right:"C0C0C0", bottom:"C0C0C0",
> > > left:"FFFFFF"})
> > > useLyr = (Optional) Forces the use of Layers as
> > > borders. This is always true for NS4 but defaults
> > to
> > > false for DOM and IE.
> > >
> > > Do you agree to this implementation?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Raymond Irving
> >
> > --
> > Dan Willemsen <da...@wi...>
> >
>
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] setborder bug - resolved?

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

It seems to me that a more "natural" way to handle things would be to reduce
the size
of the layer rather than increasing it's clipping.

It seems perfeclt intuative to me that adding aborder of one pixel's width
would reduce
the amound of usable area by one pixel in each direction
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin" <ke...@ke...>
To: "Dynapi-Dev" <Dyn...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] setborder bug - resolved?


>
> "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I propose that instead using layers (highlighters) to
> > create borders in DOM browsers we simply extend the
> > clipped area (w,h)to twice the border size:
> >
> > var w=((this.w+this._borClipOff)||0);
> > var h=((this.h+this._borClipOff)||0);
> > this.css.clip='rect(0px '+w+'px '+h+'px 0px)';
> >
> > The above will cause layers when viewed in DOM to
> > appear a little wider than when viewed in IE. This
> > should not be a problem for most designs as the
> > deigner can work around this. My main reason for doing
> > this is obvious... CSS is much faster than using
> > layers to create borders.
>
> I wouldn't ask a designer to work around our problems.
> If two DynLayers are side by side in a simple containing
> DynLayer. Giving the first a border dynamically would
> push the other under the containers clip and messing up
> the second DynLayers co-ordinates. Re: my previous
> comment:
>
> "Would we have to 'adjust' the dlyr x/y? What are the
> coords of relative elements or when constructing a
> widget and bordered elements need to touch?"
>
> This is bad and what makes it even worse is that IE5x
> will behave differently to IE4/6 and again differently to
> DOM. This doesn't matter for one DynLayer widgets
> as they animate over everything else.
>
> -
> Kevin
>
> > The designer will also have the option of using
> > highlighters to create borders in either IE or DOM.
> > This is done by drawing four child layers around the
> > parent layer:
> >
> > setBorder(size, color, useLyr);
> > size = size of border
> > color = color of border (e.g. "#FF00FF" or
> > {top:"#FFFFFF", right:"C0C0C0", bottom:"C0C0C0",
> > left:"FFFFFF"})
> > useLyr = (Optional) Forces the use of Layers as
> > borders. This is always true for NS4 but defaults to
> > false for DOM and IE.
> >
> > Do you agree to this implementation?
> >
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] setborder bug - resolved?

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

See Below:

--- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> 
> "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...> wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I propose that instead using layers (highlighters)
> to
> > create borders in DOM browsers we simply extend
> the
> > clipped area (w,h)to twice the border size:
> > 
> > var w=((this.w+this._borClipOff)||0);
> > var h=((this.h+this._borClipOff)||0);
> > this.css.clip='rect(0px '+w+'px '+h+'px 0px)';
> > 
> > The above will cause layers when viewed in DOM to
> > appear a little wider than when viewed in IE. This
> > should not be a problem for most designs as the
> > deigner can work around this. My main reason for
> doing
> > this is obvious... CSS is much faster than using
> > layers to create borders.
> 
> I wouldn't ask a designer to work around our
> problems.
> If two DynLayers are side by side in a simple
> containing
> DynLayer. Giving the first a border dynamically
> would
> push the other under the containers clip and messing
> up
> the second DynLayers co-ordinates. Re: my previous
> comment:
> 
> "Would we have to 'adjust' the dlyr x/y? What are
> the
> coords of relative elements or when constructing a
> widget and bordered elements need to touch?"

Adjusting the xy would really mess things up.
 
> This is bad and what makes it even worse is that
> IE5x
> will behave differently to IE4/6 and again
> differently to
> DOM. This doesn't matter for one DynLayer widgets
> as they animate over everything else.

You now what, this border thing with IE, DOM and NS4
is really taking up a lot of time. I think I'll only
implement borders using layers. If a user needs CSS
support then they'll have to implement that on there
own. IMO I believe CSS borders should work the same
way table borders do... the border (padding,etc)should
be part of the width/height of the element.  So
elm.style.width="100px" will remain 100px even with a
border of 4px.


--
Raymond Irving

> -
> Kevin
> 
> > The designer will also have the option of using
> > highlighters to create borders in either IE or
> DOM.
> > This is done by drawing four child layers around
> the
> > parent layer:
> > 
> > setBorder(size, color, useLyr);
> > size = size of border
> > color = color of border (e.g. "#FF00FF" or
> > {top:"#FFFFFF", right:"C0C0C0", bottom:"C0C0C0", 
> > left:"FFFFFF"})
> > useLyr = (Optional) Forces the use of Layers as
> > borders. This is always true for NS4 but defaults
> to
> > false for DOM and IE.
> > 
> > Do you agree to this implementation?
> > 
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> > 
> > __________________________________
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] setborder bug - resolved?

[Kevin <ke...@ke...>]

"Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I propose that instead using layers (highlighters) to
> create borders in DOM browsers we simply extend the
> clipped area (w,h)to twice the border size:
> 
> var w=((this.w+this._borClipOff)||0);
> var h=((this.h+this._borClipOff)||0);
> this.css.clip='rect(0px '+w+'px '+h+'px 0px)';
> 
> The above will cause layers when viewed in DOM to
> appear a little wider than when viewed in IE. This
> should not be a problem for most designs as the
> deigner can work around this. My main reason for doing
> this is obvious... CSS is much faster than using
> layers to create borders.

I wouldn't ask a designer to work around our problems.
If two DynLayers are side by side in a simple containing
DynLayer. Giving the first a border dynamically would
push the other under the containers clip and messing up
the second DynLayers co-ordinates. Re: my previous
comment:

"Would we have to 'adjust' the dlyr x/y? What are the
coords of relative elements or when constructing a
widget and bordered elements need to touch?"

This is bad and what makes it even worse is that IE5x
will behave differently to IE4/6 and again differently to
DOM. This doesn't matter for one DynLayer widgets
as they animate over everything else.

-
Kevin

> The designer will also have the option of using
> highlighters to create borders in either IE or DOM.
> This is done by drawing four child layers around the
> parent layer:
> 
> setBorder(size, color, useLyr);
> size = size of border
> color = color of border (e.g. "#FF00FF" or
> {top:"#FFFFFF", right:"C0C0C0", bottom:"C0C0C0", 
> left:"FFFFFF"})
> useLyr = (Optional) Forces the use of Layers as
> borders. This is always true for NS4 but defaults to
> false for DOM and IE.
> 
> Do you agree to this implementation?
> 
> --
> Raymond Irving
> 
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] setborder bug - resolved?

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

See Below:

--- Dan Willemsen <da...@wi...> wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 23:25, Raymond Irving wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I propose that instead using layers (highlighters)
> to
> > create borders in DOM browsers we simply extend
> the
> > clipped area (w,h)to twice the border size:
> > 
> > var w=((this.w+this._borClipOff)||0);
> > var h=((this.h+this._borClipOff)||0);
> > this.css.clip='rect(0px '+w+'px '+h+'px 0px)';
> 
> My question, why even bother with this in dom
> browsers, you should be
> able to set the css border property, and not touch
> the clipping. 
> Shouldn't we?  This would allow some of the special
> border designs on
> new browsers(like dashed, dotted, inset, outset,
> etc.)

The problem we're having with DOM browsers is that the
border is not part of the element (or content area)
width/height. When setSize is called the clip property
is set to the specified width/height of the layer.
This makes it possible for us to change the content of
a layer and not have the layer automatically adjust to
the size of it's content, correct? Because of this
when we set the border property we will not be able to
see the right and bottom borders due to the clipping.

--
Raymond Irving

> > 
> > The above will cause layers when viewed in DOM to
> > appear a little wider than when viewed in IE. This
> > should not be a problem for most designs as the
> > deigner can work around this. My main reason for
> doing
> > this is obvious... CSS is much faster than using
> > layers to create borders.
> > 
> > The designer will also have the option of using
> > highlighters to create borders in either IE or
> DOM.
> > This is done by drawing four child layers around
> the
> > parent layer:
> > 
> > setBorder(size, color, useLyr);
> > size = size of border
> > color = color of border (e.g. "#FF00FF" or
> > {top:"#FFFFFF", right:"C0C0C0", bottom:"C0C0C0", 
> > left:"FFFFFF"})
> > useLyr = (Optional) Forces the use of Layers as
> > borders. This is always true for NS4 but defaults
> to
> > false for DOM and IE.
> > 
> > Do you agree to this implementation?
> > 
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> 
> -- 
> Dan Willemsen <da...@wi...>
> 


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