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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter UPDATED - (files attached)

[Kevin <ke...@ke...>]

"Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...> wrote:

> Kevin,
> 
> Nice work! It looks great! I have a few suggestions:
> 
> 1) DynLayer(html,x,y,w,h,color,image) - Some time ago
> DynLayer had so many arguments that it was very
> difficult to work with. With 2.9 Dan took the
> initiative to only use the most commonly used
> arguments. I would suggest that we keep only 6
> arguments inside the constructor in order to try and 
> keep it simple, but since we already have background
> color I think it's only fitting to have background
> image as part of the constructor. Agree? Can we stop
> at seven?

Ok stop at 7 but 10 is a nice number ;-) and we can have
the full set with anchor, visible and z-index? 
 
> 2) Highlighter(x,y,w,h,color,image) -  the same as
> above. For Skins() "image" is already part of the
> dictionary object.

I nearly added anchor to the constructor but stopped
Though I dropped x,y from Skin as it uses anchors.
 
> 3) Another name for setBorder2 could be
> setSkinBorder()?

Fine. One thing I was going to add was a borderBasic.
i.e. Just 2 layers container and content. So container is
set to border color and content is center anchored.

-
Kevin.


> 
> Keep up the good work
> 
> 
> PS. Have to tested the creation speed of say 100
> layers with skinned borders?
> 
> 
> --
> Raymond Irving
> 
> 
> --- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > Raymond, I hope you don't mind me extending you
> > ideas. I've had a go at presenting my
> > thoughts on borders which are similar to Benoit's.
> > Please unpack the attached file in the
> > latest dynapi3x root folder/directory. In principle:
> > 
> > 1) Images in highlighters (just auto repeat
> > background image).
> > 2) Have 1 content layer + 4 sides + 4 corners + 1
> > container.
> > 3) Moving container moves all (no group manager
> > needed).
> > 4) Border2 is DOM2 spec' i.e. border is outside
> > element width (border won't clip content).
> > 5) Offer flexibility to have different skin widths
> > (perhaps someone can complete this?)
> > 6) Let transparent gifs with background colors be
> > defaulted and configurable (unfinished).
> > 
> > There is so much more work to do on this I thought
> > I'd stop here and see if it's close!
> > 
> > Could someone change the example to show how to use
> > preloaded images from cache
> > rather than strings. Does <layer background=img.src
> > ..> do it for ns4? These updates
> > have been tested on Linux NS4/Mozilla. Please help
> > and offer the fix if it doesn't work
> > on your browser.
> > 
> > -
> > Kevin.
> > 
> > 
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > > 
> > > I've completed the BorderManager and Highligther
> > > classes as promised
> > > 
> > > You can see a live demo here:
> > > 
> > >
> >
> http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/dynapi.gui.bordermanager.html
> > > 
> > >
> >
> http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/dynapi.gui.highlighter.html
> > > 
> > >
> >
> http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/dynapi.gui.focusmanager.html
> > > 
> > > Note: The setBorder() function now requires the
> > > BorderManager Class
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Any comments? Can I go ahead and upload these
> > changes
> > > to CVS?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > PS. Files are attached
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Raymond Irving
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > __________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > > http://search.yahoo.com
> 
> > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/x-zip-compressed
> name=border-update.zip
> 
> 
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Fw: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter UPDATED - (files attached) - NOT

[Kevin <ke...@ke...>]

Hi all,

Guess what, I just got an e-mail from the list moderator saying they are
checking my file attachment as there is a 30K limit :) It was 29.8K just
my luck.

Kevin.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin" <ke...@ke...>
To: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter UPDATED - (files attached)


> Hi Raymond,
> 
> I didn't get a warning about 30K being too big. I've sent Benoit a
> copy for now.
> 
> Kevin.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
> To: "Kevin" <ke...@ke...>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter UPDATED - (files attached)
> 
> 
> > 
> > Hi Kevin,
> > 
> > It's best to use the patch system at sourceforge as
> > the attached files are too big to go throught the
> > mailing list.
> > 
> > Or you can post it on a web site
> > 
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> > 
> > --- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> > > Yes I few minutes after I noticed the error.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
> > > To: "Kevin" <ke...@ke...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:32 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager &
> > > Highlighter UPDATED - (files attached)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Hi Kevin,
> > > > 
> > > > Did you send a copy of this email to the dev
> > > group?
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Raymond Irving
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter UPDATED - (files attached)

[Kevin <ke...@ke...>]

Benoit I have sent you a copy to your own e-mail if that is ok.

Kevin.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Benoit Marchant" <mar...@ma...>
To: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
Cc: "DynAPI-Dev" <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter UPDATED - (files attached)


> This sounds very good, but Kevin files weren't in your mail. Is it  
> possible to access it and have a look at it ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Benoit
> 
> On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 11:53  AM, Raymond Irving wrote:
> 
> > Kevin,
> >
> > Nice work! It looks great! I have a few suggestions:
> >
> > 1) DynLayer(html,x,y,w,h,color,image) - Some time ago
> > DynLayer had so many arguments that it was very
> > difficult to work with. With 2.9 Dan took the
> > initiative to only use the most commonly used
> > arguments. I would suggest that we keep only 6
> > arguments inside the constructor in order to try and
> > keep it simple, but since we already have background
> > color I think it's only fitting to have background
> > image as part of the constructor. Agree? Can we stop
> > at seven?
> >
> > 2) Highlighter(x,y,w,h,color,image) -  the same as
> > above. For Skins() "image" is already part of the
> > dictionary object.
> >
> > 3) Another name for setBorder2 could be
> > setSkinBorder()?
> >
> >
> > Keep up the good work
> >
> >
> > PS. Have to tested the creation speed of say 100
> > layers with skinned borders?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> >
> >
> > --- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> Raymond, I hope you don't mind me extending you
> >> ideas. I've had a go at presenting my
> >> thoughts on borders which are similar to Benoit's.
> >> Please unpack the attached file in the
> >> latest dynapi3x root folder/directory. In principle:
> >>
> >> 1) Images in highlighters (just auto repeat
> >> background image).
> >> 2) Have 1 content layer + 4 sides + 4 corners + 1
> >> container.
> >> 3) Moving container moves all (no group manager
> >> needed).
> >> 4) Border2 is DOM2 spec' i.e. border is outside
> >> element width (border won't clip content).
> >> 5) Offer flexibility to have different skin widths
> >> (perhaps someone can complete this?)
> >> 6) Let transparent gifs with background colors be
> >> defaulted and configurable (unfinished).
> >>
> >> There is so much more work to do on this I thought
> >> I'd stop here and see if it's close!
> >>
> >> Could someone change the example to show how to use
> >> preloaded images from cache
> >> rather than strings. Does <layer background=img.src
> >> ..> do it for ns4? These updates
> >> have been tested on Linux NS4/Mozilla. Please help
> >> and offer the fix if it doesn't work
> >> on your browser.
> >>
> >> -
> >> Kevin.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello Everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I've completed the BorderManager and Highligther
> >>> classes as promised
> >>>
> >>> You can see a live demo here:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/ 
> > dynapi.gui.bordermanager.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/ 
> > dynapi.gui.highlighter.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/ 
> > dynapi.gui.focusmanager.html
> >>>
> >>> Note: The setBorder() function now requires the
> >>> BorderManager Class
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Any comments? Can I go ahead and upload these
> >> changes
> >>> to CVS?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> PS. Files are attached
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Raymond Irving
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________
> >>> Do you Yahoo!?
> >>> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> >>> http://search.yahoo.com
> >
> >> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/x-zip-compressed
> > name=border-update.zip
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
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> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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> >
> >
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> 
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[Dynapi-Dev] An Application Idea

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Hello Everyone,

I just came up with the following application idea:

With Kevin's new border feature it's possible for us
to create online photo albums with selective picture
frames, etc. We could even create an online postcard
service, sell online paintings, etc. These are just a
few of the cool things we can now do with the new
border manager features.


--
Raymond Irving

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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter UPDATED - (files attached)

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

--- Benoit Marchant <mar...@ma...> wrote:
> This sounds very good, but Kevin files weren't in
> your mail. Is it  
> possible to access it and have a look at it ?

It seems that the files are too big to go through the
mailing list. I've asked kevin to send it via some
other means as he might have gotten the same message I
got when trying to send it to the group.

--
Raymond Irving

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Benoit
> 
> On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 11:53  AM, Raymond
> Irving wrote:
> 
> > Kevin,
> >
> > Nice work! It looks great! I have a few
> suggestions:
> >
> > 1) DynLayer(html,x,y,w,h,color,image) - Some time
> ago
> > DynLayer had so many arguments that it was very
> > difficult to work with. With 2.9 Dan took the
> > initiative to only use the most commonly used
> > arguments. I would suggest that we keep only 6
> > arguments inside the constructor in order to try
> and
> > keep it simple, but since we already have
> background
> > color I think it's only fitting to have background
> > image as part of the constructor. Agree? Can we
> stop
> > at seven?
> >
> > 2) Highlighter(x,y,w,h,color,image) -  the same as
> > above. For Skins() "image" is already part of the
> > dictionary object.
> >
> > 3) Another name for setBorder2 could be
> > setSkinBorder()?
> >
> >
> > Keep up the good work
> >
> >
> > PS. Have to tested the creation speed of say 100
> > layers with skinned borders?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> >
> >
> > --- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> Raymond, I hope you don't mind me extending you
> >> ideas. I've had a go at presenting my
> >> thoughts on borders which are similar to
> Benoit's.
> >> Please unpack the attached file in the
> >> latest dynapi3x root folder/directory. In
> principle:
> >>
> >> 1) Images in highlighters (just auto repeat
> >> background image).
> >> 2) Have 1 content layer + 4 sides + 4 corners + 1
> >> container.
> >> 3) Moving container moves all (no group manager
> >> needed).
> >> 4) Border2 is DOM2 spec' i.e. border is outside
> >> element width (border won't clip content).
> >> 5) Offer flexibility to have different skin
> widths
> >> (perhaps someone can complete this?)
> >> 6) Let transparent gifs with background colors be
> >> defaulted and configurable (unfinished).
> >>
> >> There is so much more work to do on this I
> thought
> >> I'd stop here and see if it's close!
> >>
> >> Could someone change the example to show how to
> use
> >> preloaded images from cache
> >> rather than strings. Does <layer
> background=img.src
> >> ..> do it for ns4? These updates
> >> have been tested on Linux NS4/Mozilla. Please
> help
> >> and offer the fix if it doesn't work
> >> on your browser.
> >>
> >> -
> >> Kevin.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello Everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I've completed the BorderManager and Highligther
> >>> classes as promised
> >>>
> >>> You can see a live demo here:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/
> 
> > dynapi.gui.bordermanager.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/
> 
> > dynapi.gui.highlighter.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/
> 
> > dynapi.gui.focusmanager.html
> >>>
> >>> Note: The setBorder() function now requires the
> >>> BorderManager Class
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Any comments? Can I go ahead and upload these
> >> changes
> >>> to CVS?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> PS. Files are attached
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Raymond Irving
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________
> >>> Do you Yahoo!?
> >>> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> >>> http://search.yahoo.com
> >
> >> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/x-zip-compressed
> > name=border-update.zip
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > http://search.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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> 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara
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> > solutions
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> 


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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter UPDATED - (files attached)

[Benoit M. <mar...@ma...>]

This sounds very good, but Kevin files weren't in your mail. Is it  
possible to access it and have a look at it ?

Thanks

Benoit

On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 11:53  AM, Raymond Irving wrote:

> Kevin,
>
> Nice work! It looks great! I have a few suggestions:
>
> 1) DynLayer(html,x,y,w,h,color,image) - Some time ago
> DynLayer had so many arguments that it was very
> difficult to work with. With 2.9 Dan took the
> initiative to only use the most commonly used
> arguments. I would suggest that we keep only 6
> arguments inside the constructor in order to try and
> keep it simple, but since we already have background
> color I think it's only fitting to have background
> image as part of the constructor. Agree? Can we stop
> at seven?
>
> 2) Highlighter(x,y,w,h,color,image) -  the same as
> above. For Skins() "image" is already part of the
> dictionary object.
>
> 3) Another name for setBorder2 could be
> setSkinBorder()?
>
>
> Keep up the good work
>
>
> PS. Have to tested the creation speed of say 100
> layers with skinned borders?
>
>
> --
> Raymond Irving
>
>
> --- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Raymond, I hope you don't mind me extending you
>> ideas. I've had a go at presenting my
>> thoughts on borders which are similar to Benoit's.
>> Please unpack the attached file in the
>> latest dynapi3x root folder/directory. In principle:
>>
>> 1) Images in highlighters (just auto repeat
>> background image).
>> 2) Have 1 content layer + 4 sides + 4 corners + 1
>> container.
>> 3) Moving container moves all (no group manager
>> needed).
>> 4) Border2 is DOM2 spec' i.e. border is outside
>> element width (border won't clip content).
>> 5) Offer flexibility to have different skin widths
>> (perhaps someone can complete this?)
>> 6) Let transparent gifs with background colors be
>> defaulted and configurable (unfinished).
>>
>> There is so much more work to do on this I thought
>> I'd stop here and see if it's close!
>>
>> Could someone change the example to show how to use
>> preloaded images from cache
>> rather than strings. Does <layer background=img.src
>> ..> do it for ns4? These updates
>> have been tested on Linux NS4/Mozilla. Please help
>> and offer the fix if it doesn't work
>> on your browser.
>>
>> -
>> Kevin.
>>
>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> I've completed the BorderManager and Highligther
>>> classes as promised
>>>
>>> You can see a live demo here:
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/ 
> dynapi.gui.bordermanager.html
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/ 
> dynapi.gui.highlighter.html
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/ 
> dynapi.gui.focusmanager.html
>>>
>>> Note: The setBorder() function now requires the
>>> BorderManager Class
>>>
>>>
>>> Any comments? Can I go ahead and upload these
>> changes
>>> to CVS?
>>>
>>>
>>> PS. Files are attached
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raymond Irving
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________
>>> Do you Yahoo!?
>>> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
>>> http://search.yahoo.com
>
>> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/x-zip-compressed
> name=border-update.zip
>
>
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter UPDATED - (files attached)

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Kevin,

Nice work! It looks great! I have a few suggestions:

1) DynLayer(html,x,y,w,h,color,image) - Some time ago
DynLayer had so many arguments that it was very
difficult to work with. With 2.9 Dan took the
initiative to only use the most commonly used
arguments. I would suggest that we keep only 6
arguments inside the constructor in order to try and 
keep it simple, but since we already have background
color I think it's only fitting to have background
image as part of the constructor. Agree? Can we stop
at seven?

2) Highlighter(x,y,w,h,color,image) -  the same as
above. For Skins() "image" is already part of the
dictionary object.

3) Another name for setBorder2 could be
setSkinBorder()?


Keep up the good work


PS. Have to tested the creation speed of say 100
layers with skinned borders?


--
Raymond Irving


--- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Raymond, I hope you don't mind me extending you
> ideas. I've had a go at presenting my
> thoughts on borders which are similar to Benoit's.
> Please unpack the attached file in the
> latest dynapi3x root folder/directory. In principle:
> 
> 1) Images in highlighters (just auto repeat
> background image).
> 2) Have 1 content layer + 4 sides + 4 corners + 1
> container.
> 3) Moving container moves all (no group manager
> needed).
> 4) Border2 is DOM2 spec' i.e. border is outside
> element width (border won't clip content).
> 5) Offer flexibility to have different skin widths
> (perhaps someone can complete this?)
> 6) Let transparent gifs with background colors be
> defaulted and configurable (unfinished).
> 
> There is so much more work to do on this I thought
> I'd stop here and see if it's close!
> 
> Could someone change the example to show how to use
> preloaded images from cache
> rather than strings. Does <layer background=img.src
> ..> do it for ns4? These updates
> have been tested on Linux NS4/Mozilla. Please help
> and offer the fix if it doesn't work
> on your browser.
> 
> -
> Kevin.
> 
> 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > I've completed the BorderManager and Highligther
> > classes as promised
> > 
> > You can see a live demo here:
> > 
> >
>
http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/dynapi.gui.bordermanager.html
> > 
> >
>
http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/dynapi.gui.highlighter.html
> > 
> >
>
http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/dynapi.gui.focusmanager.html
> > 
> > Note: The setBorder() function now requires the
> > BorderManager Class
> > 
> > 
> > Any comments? Can I go ahead and upload these
> changes
> > to CVS?
> > 
> > 
> > PS. Files are attached
> > 
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > http://search.yahoo.com

> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/x-zip-compressed
name=border-update.zip



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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] swipe feature on dynlayer

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

--- Ramesh Pallikara <ra...@in...>
wrote:
> hi,
> 
> how do i use the swipe effect incrementally.
> by default i guess the the swipeTo will swipe the
> layer through its 
> entire width or height.
> how can i make it stop halfway say 50% of its width
> or by a value by 100 
> ????

Well, I guess we'll have to implement a swipeStop()
function and some events. Some time ago we had a
discussion on whether we should use individual event
names (such as onswipe,onfade, etc) or use common
event names (such as onanimstart, onanimstop,
onanimfinish). What do you think?


--
Raymond Irving
> 
> best regardz,
> ramesh pallikara
> 
> -- 
> QOTD:
> 	"I've always wanted to work in the Federal Mint. 
> And then go on
> 	strike.  To make less money."
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
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[Dynapi-Dev] swipe feature on dynlayer

[Ramesh P. <ra...@in...>]

hi,

how do i use the swipe effect incrementally.
by default i guess the the swipeTo will swipe the layer through its 
entire width or height.
how can i make it stop halfway say 50% of its width or by a value by 100 
????

best regardz,
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[Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Internal Debug window

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Hello Everyone,

How are things going? No requests? No feedbacks? No
questions? Is this mailing list working?

Sometime ago I started the internal debug window, but
it turns out that it's not as flexible as I would want
it to be. I'm planning on removing the internal mode
and creating a separate library called DynAPI console
or DynAPI Terminal. Anyone using the internal debug
feature?


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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter Completed - (files attached)

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Please see below:

--- Benoit Marchant <mar...@ma...> wrote:
> It's working well ! A few comments:
> 
> I'm currently using a "frame" widget to show drag
> overs layers. As it's  
> only for drag, and not multiple selection, it makes
> more sense from a  
> programatic and efficiency point of view to have
> only one frame object  
> that's eventually resized to match the layer the
> drag is on.  I'm both  
> using a rectangular frame with just colors, and
> another version where  
> I'm using images for rounded corners and shadows
> using pngs. Using the  
> current border layers would bloat the page in that
> scenario. however,  
> if you were to allows multiple selection and drag
> them together, than  
> that's exacrtly what's needed. But you shouldn't
> have to pay the price  
> for the first case.
> 
> This doesn't allow to use images for borders such 
> as rounded corners,  
> borders with shadows, or any image. And because
> rounded corners have  
> some transparency, you just can't add a corner
> layer. The logic for the  
> size of the borders has to be slightly different.
> Plus because of  
> shadows, the size of the left and right repeating
> border  is usually  
> different.
> 
> I have such a widget in dynapi2. It can be set to be
> within the frames  
> of the layer you put it on, or around it. But it's a
> layer you  
> associate to it, it's not inside which brings the
> flexibility of doing  
> both, and it does offers border color and border
> imaged. Sincerely it  
> need to be seriously re-worked, but it proved pretty
> usefull for me.  
> I've been using it for drag overs.
> 
> Another good example would be the 6 knobs around
> objects in a layout  
> program. Being able to show a selection that way
> would be very handy  
> with the drag resize code I've done.
> 
> My second is, currently, if a layer with borders is
> resized, will the  
> border be ? 

Yes. Once we use setAnchor() it will automatically
resize the borders.

> I didn't see code for that.
> 
> So. Shall we consider enhancing the setBorder to
> take care of these  
> special cases ?
> Or shall we change that api (or add to it) to
> eventually provide a  
> layer as an argument. So it would be possible to
> provide a layer that  
> eventually one can make it looks the way he wants.
> And in that case,  
> the setBorder would take care of placing the layer
> and resize it.
> 
> Feedback ?


Are you working on skinable widgets?

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> Benoit
> 
> 
> On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 04:57  AM, Raymond
> Irving wrote:
> 
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I've completed the BorderManager and Highligther
> > classes as promised
> >
> > You can see a live demo here:
> >
> > http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/
> 
> > dynapi.gui.bordermanager.html
> >
> > http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/
> 
> > dynapi.gui.highlighter.html
> >
> > http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/
> 
> > dynapi.gui.focusmanager.html
> >
> > Note: The setBorder() function now requires the
> > BorderManager Class
> >
> >
> > Any comments? Can I go ahead and upload these
> changes
> > to CVS?
> >
> >
> > PS. Files are attached
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter Completed - (files attached)

[Benoit M. <mar...@ma...>]

It's working well ! A few comments:

I'm currently using a "frame" widget to show drag overs layers. As it's  
only for drag, and not multiple selection, it makes more sense from a  
programatic and efficiency point of view to have only one frame object  
that's eventually resized to match the layer the drag is on.  I'm both  
using a rectangular frame with just colors, and another version where  
I'm using images for rounded corners and shadows using pngs. Using the  
current border layers would bloat the page in that scenario. however,  
if you were to allows multiple selection and drag them together, than  
that's exacrtly what's needed. But you shouldn't have to pay the price  
for the first case.

This doesn't allow to use images for borders such  as rounded corners,  
borders with shadows, or any image. And because rounded corners have  
some transparency, you just can't add a corner layer. The logic for the  
size of the borders has to be slightly different. Plus because of  
shadows, the size of the left and right repeating border  is usually  
different.

I have such a widget in dynapi2. It can be set to be within the frames  
of the layer you put it on, or around it. But it's a layer you  
associate to it, it's not inside which brings the flexibility of doing  
both, and it does offers border color and border imaged. Sincerely it  
need to be seriously re-worked, but it proved pretty usefull for me.  
I've been using it for drag overs.

Another good example would be the 6 knobs around objects in a layout  
program. Being able to show a selection that way would be very handy  
with the drag resize code I've done.

My second is, currently, if a layer with borders is resized, will the  
border be ? I didn't see code for that.

So. Shall we consider enhancing the setBorder to take care of these  
special cases ?
Or shall we change that api (or add to it) to eventually provide a  
layer as an argument. So it would be possible to provide a layer that  
eventually one can make it looks the way he wants. And in that case,  
the setBorder would take care of placing the layer and resize it.

Feedback ?

Benoit


On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 04:57  AM, Raymond Irving wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I've completed the BorderManager and Highligther
> classes as promised
>
> You can see a live demo here:
>
> http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/ 
> dynapi.gui.bordermanager.html
>
> http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/ 
> dynapi.gui.highlighter.html
>
> http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/ 
> dynapi.gui.focusmanager.html
>
> Note: The setBorder() function now requires the
> BorderManager Class
>
>
> Any comments? Can I go ahead and upload these changes
> to CVS?
>
>
> PS. Files are attached
>
> --
> Raymond Irving
>
>
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter Completed - (files attached)

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Hello Everyone,

I've completed the BorderManager and Highligther
classes as promised

You can see a live demo here:

http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/dynapi.gui.bordermanager.html

http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/dynapi.gui.highlighter.html

http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/dynapi.gui.focusmanager.html

Note: The setBorder() function now requires the
BorderManager Class


Any comments? Can I go ahead and upload these changes
to CVS?


PS. Files are attached

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[Dynapi-Dev] BorderManager & Highlighter Completed

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Hello Everyone,

I've completed the BorderManager and Highligther
classes as promised

You can see a live demo here:

http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/dynapi.gui.bordermanager.html

http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/dynapi.gui.highlighter.html

http://www24.brinkster.com/dyntools/next/examples/dynapi.gui.focusmanager.html

Note: The setBorder() function now requires the
BorderManager Class


Any comments? Can I go ahead and upload these changes
to CVS?


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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] about the website.

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

--- Joy Ride <joy...@ho...> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> >I'll see what I can do about this, but firstly we
> must
> >delegate such responsibilty to persons who are
> willing
> >to help in such areas. Who would like to work on
> the
> >website and to help in the maintenance?
> 
> Our company might be interested of doing the site
> designs (for free, in a 
> spirit of opensource). I doubt that we would able to
> do all the maintenance. 
> If you're willing to see some of our previous works
> (to see if we are good 
> enough) visit following links (unfortunately these
> are mostly in Finnish):

Great! So we now have two persons down for website
maintenace:

1) Doug
2) Juhu

Any one else?

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> http://www.psoas.fi
> http://www.incapfurniture.fi
> http://www.pukumies.fi
> http://www.inpocket.fi
> http://www.lasaretti.com
> http://www.formamessut.fi
> http://syy.oulu.fi/taida/et/metka
> http://www.huovisenleipomo.fi
> http://www.remedy.fi
> http://www.ttk.oulu.fi/abiopas
> http://www.micks.fi
> http://www.pkcgroup.com
> http://www.visualway.com/helmi
> http://www.tuplaluuta.fi
> 
> To just name few (we did over 50 websites last year,
> many of them employ 
> DynAPI).
> 
> 
> - Juho Risku / Helmi Staff
>   http://www.visualway.com/helmi
> 
> 
> >From: Raymond Irving <xw...@ya...>
> >To: DynAPI-Dev <dyn...@li...>
> >Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] about the website.
> >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:56:02 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >--- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> > > The reason why there has been no innovation in
> the
> > > design of our website is that noone seems to
> have
> > > the keys to the damned site.
> > >
> > > Every time the someone mentions updating the
> site,
> > > all we get back is "we need to talk to X about
> > > that.." and X never appears.. Who DOES have the
> > > keys?
> >
> >When you say "keys"  what do you mean?
> >
> > > And this time, if we can get the sorceforge
> people
> > > of their lazy asses sometime _this_ year to
> > > re-assign the maintenance rights.. can we PLEASE
> > > assign MORE THAN ONE person these rights? This
> way
> > > having one person drop out does not block us
> from
> > > doing what we want when we want.
> >
> >I'll see what I can do about this, but firstly we
> must
> >delegate such responsibilty to persons who are
> willing
> >to help in such areas. Who would like to work on
> the
> >website and to help in the maintenance?
> >
> >--
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> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello,

>How's this logo concept?  Colors and font may need tweaking. I didn't
>use a font so text may be chunky; I just copied the bitmap of a screenshot 
>of the PDF as big as I could get, then reduced it's size
>again.  :-)

The green works in way well in the type. I would say that orange lines 
balance on the other hand, but on the otherhand they seem to be a bit too 
much. I'll pass this example to our designer for further toughts.

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  http://www.visualway.com/helmi

>From: "Leif W" <war...@us...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:41:18 -0400
>
>How's this logo concept?  Colors and font may need tweaking.  I didn't use 
>a
>font so text may be chunky; I just copied the bitmap of a screenshot of the
>PDF as big as I could get, then reduced it's size again.  :-)
>
>Regarding the logos at
>http://www.creative-workshop.com/doug/dynapi_logos.zip , I first excluded
>all the ones that looked like an accident, then excluded the ones that 
>maybe
>weren't too clear to read, and excluded all the ones that didn't have some
>logo attempt (since that was stated as an objective), excluded the ones 
>that
>looked like buttons.  This left #7, which I then noticed looks a lot like
>the Win2k install logos.  So instead of reproducing another look, I just
>integrated the donated swirly logo (#2 in the PDF) and added some lines to
>draw the attention from the logo, across the word, focussing on API.
>
>Any comments?
>
>Leif
>
>P.S. Rant post-mortem: lessons learned (hopefully I don't get told to 
>STFU).
>        1) Can't make unilateral decisions or communications, if only to
>cover yourself later.  Best to send off a quick note to the group to avoid
>misinterpretations.
>        2) Can't jump to conclusions, you may not have all the info.  
>Expend
>less energy by gathering more info first than by getting worked up only to
>appologize later.
>        3) Maybe nobody liked the specific logos suggested, but it has
>introduced some new ideas, and that in and of itself serves a purpose (i.e.
>motivated me -- and hopefully others -- to try our own designs), so
>hopefully it's not seen as a loss by the company who so generously invested
>effort.
>
>P.P.S. I know I've only contributed a little to the API, and I've been out
>of it for a while now.  Just get into a funk and lose motivation.  So I
>contribute where I can, when I find motivation, like with this logo.
><< DynAPI_Logo-000.gif >>


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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] about the website.

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello,

>I'll see what I can do about this, but firstly we must
>delegate such responsibilty to persons who are willing
>to help in such areas. Who would like to work on the
>website and to help in the maintenance?

Our company might be interested of doing the site designs (for free, in a 
spirit of opensource). I doubt that we would able to do all the maintenance. 
If you're willing to see some of our previous works (to see if we are good 
enough) visit following links (unfortunately these are mostly in Finnish):

http://www.psoas.fi
http://www.incapfurniture.fi
http://www.pukumies.fi
http://www.inpocket.fi
http://www.lasaretti.com
http://www.formamessut.fi
http://syy.oulu.fi/taida/et/metka
http://www.huovisenleipomo.fi
http://www.remedy.fi
http://www.ttk.oulu.fi/abiopas
http://www.micks.fi
http://www.pkcgroup.com
http://www.visualway.com/helmi
http://www.tuplaluuta.fi

To just name few (we did over 50 websites last year, many of them employ 
DynAPI).


- Juho Risku / Helmi Staff
  http://www.visualway.com/helmi


>From: Raymond Irving <xw...@ya...>
>To: DynAPI-Dev <dyn...@li...>
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] about the website.
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:56:02 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>--- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> > The reason why there has been no innovation in the
> > design of our website is that noone seems to have
> > the keys to the damned site.
> >
> > Every time the someone mentions updating the site,
> > all we get back is "we need to talk to X about
> > that.." and X never appears.. Who DOES have the
> > keys?
>
>When you say "keys"  what do you mean?
>
> > And this time, if we can get the sorceforge people
> > of their lazy asses sometime _this_ year to
> > re-assign the maintenance rights.. can we PLEASE
> > assign MORE THAN ONE person these rights? This way
> > having one person drop out does not block us from
> > doing what we want when we want.
>
>I'll see what I can do about this, but firstly we must
>delegate such responsibilty to persons who are willing
>to help in such areas. Who would like to work on the
>website and to help in the maintenance?
>
>--
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>
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello,

As it has became clear allready (I think) we are doing this logo project for 
free. DynAPI has it's value for us.

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>From: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:33:37 -0400
>
>Raymond.
>Can you see things from my perspective?
>I'm sitting here reading the list when some company I've never heard of
>before (there was no mention of the editor) say's "we've been asked to..."
>And yet there was _NO_ mention of it in the list. Having had some 
>experience
>with several open source projects. Also some experienece with protecting
>DynAPI from one or more commercial entity I have worked with.. ( "Can't we
>just rename it and sell it with the product?" ) I am naturally defensive
>when out of the blue, what seems to me to be a graphic design company says,
>"we've been asked to.." I was simply wondering who had asked them. If there
>had been som warning of this, I would most certainly not have jumped to the
>conclusions I had.
>
>As I had assumed they where a graphic design company, I didn't think it
>likly that they would be doing this for free. Therfore the question
>remained: Who was paying for someone to design a logo for DynAPI? Did some
>corporation somewhere think they where going to buy, or package DynAPI? IF
>so, WHO?!?
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
>To: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>;
><dyn...@li...>
>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>
>
> >
> > --- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> > > Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI
> > > 3?
> >
> > I did
> >
> > > And why? Did it not occur to them that we may
> > > already have on eo tmore
> > > logos?
> >
> > Well I far as I can see there weren't any logos
> > displayed on the dynapi website or used in the distros
> > (I stand corrected). Juhu's company is developing a
> > WYSIWYG editor that uses DynAPI for client-side object
> > creation. They've invested some time into research,
> > designs, etc. On such basis I said why not get some
> > new logo ideas? So I asked him to scheduled some of
> > hos graphic designers, programmers to aid with the
> > development of the API, etc. I don't see anything
> > wrong with new ideas? And it would be even better if a
> > lot more companies would see the benefits of the API.
> >
> > > Does your company simply have no respect for
> > > open-source software?
> >
> > A proposal for new logos designs does not violate the
> > principles of open-source software. I personally asked
> > him to design the logos and then post them to the
> > group to get their feedback on the new ideas.
> >
> > > Just wondering.
> > >
> > > Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit
> > > strange that your company
> > > was
> > > "asked to design a logo" for this open-source
> > > project, when yet there has
> > > been to mention of this to the actuall developers of
> > > the project. It would
> > > seem to me that this is somewhat similar to asking
> > > your neighbor what color
> > > they want their house painted- when they do not even
> > > know you intend to
> > > paint their house.
> >
> > Not so at all. Sometime ago Jordi posted a link of
> > what was considered a new design for the DynAPI web
> > site. Up to this day I've not heard anything more
> > about it. Many of the past developers are either just
> > watching the list or just don't care anymore! There is
> > only a few of us left, so I think it it would be cool
> > if we can get some _new_ ideas, _new_ designs and even
> > a _new_ website.
> > IMO there's nothing wrong with a proposal. What if
> > someone should approach you and said I think your
> > house would look better if it was colored in blue and
> > white? But before they can even approach you they
> > would first have to design you a model of the house
> > painted in blue and white.
> >
> > > If someone from the Project has indeed approched you
> > > then I will appologize
> > > immediatly.
> > >
> > > Anyone?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> > > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> > > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3.
> > > I tried to post PDF
> > > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed
> > > by our company. It didn't
> > > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing
> > > logos.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > > >
> > > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to
> > > logo design. --> The
> > > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals
> > > was credibility and
> > > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> > > wanted to maximize the
> > > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> > > websites, prints and online
> > > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work
> > > in prints).
> > > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color.
> > > The reason is red is
> > > > understood as color of technology, but it is not
> > > that much used as blue
> > > is.
> > > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> > > personal favorites are 2
> > > and
> > > > 4.
> > > >
> > > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one
> > > we could use as DynAPI
> > > > logo from nowon? Votes?
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello,

>I view a logo as a symbol, or trademark designed for
>easy and definite recognition. I _personally_ don't
>like the idea of only using the name as a logo. I
>would rather like to see a symbol been used with or
>without the name. (Microsoft Windows for example)

Some information about relation of logo and trademark. (Just for background 
information.)

By definition logo (ie. logotype) is the font used to regonize the company. 
The mark, sing or symbol (what ever it is called, I don't know the excact 
translation for finnish word "liikemerkki" in english, trademark could be 
the closest one) is currently (after graphical applications and print 
technology has evolved) commonly used with logotype. That's the reason why 
people commonly think that the trademark equals to logo.

Trademark can be designed so that it can be used with or without logotype. 
Even in if trademark would be used without the actual logotype, there is 
logotype which is designed to be used with trademark.

>From: Raymond Irving <xw...@ya...>
>To: dyn...@li...
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:29:32 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>--- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> > Does anyone have all (or any) of the logos we had
> > designed for DynAPI 2?
>
>I view a logo as a symbol, or trademark designed for
>easy and definite recognition. I _personally_ don't
>like the idea of only using the name as a logo. I
>would rather like to see a symbol been used with or
>without the name. (Microsoft Windows for example)
>
> > There where a few very nice ones.
>
>Well, I would also like to see them.
>
>
>--
>Raymond Irving
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3.
> > I tried to post PDF
> > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed
> > by our company. It didn't
> > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing
> > logos.
> > >
> > > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > >
> > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > >
> > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to
> > logo design. --> The
> > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals
> > was credibility and
> > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> > wanted to maximize the
> > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> > websites, prints and online
> > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work
> > in prints).
> > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color.
> > The reason is red is
> > > understood as color of technology, but it is not
> > that much used as blue
> > is.
> > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> > personal favorites are 2
> > and
> > > 4.
> > >
> > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one
> > we could use as DynAPI
> > > logo from nowon? Votes?
> > >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello,

First of all, thank you for your comments.

>I like #2 the best.  I like the swirly thing, don't know why.  A suggested 
>modification to #2 might be to make the Dyn and API different colors -- 
>like the colors used in #1 -- with the swirly
>thing and API the same color.

Someone at our office described the swirly thing as "visionary". Our Graphic 
designer (the one who has designed the suggestions) likse #2 best also. Our 
communications consultant thought, like you did, that font needs some 
touchup (she liked #2 best as well).

>P.S.  In another post, you mention that the font isn't free. Any chance of 
>getting hold of a free font that can be used for the
>logo text?

It shouldn't be a problem if logo uses commercial font. --> Actually logo 
doesn't use the font but the vector outline created based on font. It's a 
image, which isn't used like font is. There for there is no legal problems 
related in to use of these DynAPI logos in opensource project.

>P.P.S.  How about the original design files, are they Adobe Photoshop
>or Illustrator or something?  Will the original design files be made
>available as well?

I believe that the program used for these logo suggestions was Freehand. We 
may make original design files available as well... and we may reproduce 
version suitable for your needs (including WMF, AI, Freehand, PNG or any 
other). We would like to do that after we have found the direction (more 
finalized design files), but if you (or any one else) need it right now, ask 
and we will deliver.


>From: "Leif W" <war...@us...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:29:05 -0400
>
>My 2 cents:
>
>First of all, thanks to your company for the support and effort.
>Unfortunately I don't care too much for any of the designs, but of the six,
>I like #2 the best.  I like the swirly thing, don't know why.  A suggested
>modification to #2 might be to make the Dyn and API different colors -- 
>like
>the colors used in #1 -- with the swirly thing and API the same color.
>
>Leif
>
>P.S.  In another post, you mention that the font isn't free.  Any chance of
>getting hold of a free font that can be used for the logo text?
>
>P.P.S.  How about the original design files, are they Adobe Photoshop or
>Illustrator or something?  Will the original design files be made available
>as well?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
>Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It 
>didn't
> > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
> >
> > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> >
> > Few comments about the PDF.
> >
> > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The
> > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> > usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online
> > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is
> > understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue
>is.
> > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2
>and
> > 4.
> >
> > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as 
>DynAPI
> > logo from nowon? Votes?
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

Nevermind last post, I found what I was looking for.  Swirls are paths
within the PDF and it became visible in Adobe Illustrator.  Dolp.  So we
should have everything then as far as logo design goes.

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

Hello,

Continuing with the current logo I was working on, I went and was searching
for fonts and just found the same font, Optima, which seems to be free (or
at least the version I found was).  That solves my chunky text problem.  Is
it possible to get my hands on the original swirly logo that was donated?
If not, I may be able to recreate it (or something similar) given another
day.  Just as sources are important to keep tabs on, so are the graphical
tools and content.  My logo's build files (and any other graphical
data/ideas we've seen) can be made available... perhaps kept as a separate
graphic design folder in the CVS repository.

Leif

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Outlook express 6 is REALLY starting to piss me off.
This is the third time I've written this email. (hence the two _BLANK_)
messages.
I assure you they where not blank until I hit send.

See comment inline. see logo prefs at end.

> How's this logo concept?  Colors and font may need tweaking.  I didn't use
a
> font so text may be chunky; I just copied the bitmap of a screenshot of
the
> PDF as big as I could get, then reduced it's size again.  :-)

Very nice. Crisp and simple. Not too many colors (too many color make for
hard time printing and scaling)

> Regarding the logos at
> http://www.creative-workshop.com/doug/dynapi_logos.zip , I first excluded
> all the ones that looked like an accident, then excluded the ones that
maybe
> weren't too clear to read, and excluded all the ones that didn't have some
> logo attempt (since that was stated as an objective), excluded the ones
that
> looked like buttons.  This left #7, which I then noticed looks a lot like
> the Win2k install logos.  So instead of reproducing another look, I just
> integrated the donated swirly logo (#2 in the PDF) and added some lines to
> draw the attention from the logo, across the word, focussing on API.

Whatever.. I had written a very clever paragraph or two here.. but am not
writting it a third time.

> Any comments?
>
> Leif
>
> P.S. Rant post-mortem: lessons learned (hopefully I don't get told to
STFU).
>        1) Can't make unilateral decisions or communications, if only to
> cover yourself later.  Best to send off a quick note to the group to avoid
> misinterpretations.

Yes.

>        2) Can't jump to conclusions, you may not have all the info.
Expend
> less energy by gathering more info first than by getting worked up only to
> appologize later.

Actually I appologized in advance this time. :-)
Point taken however.

>        3) Maybe nobody liked the specific logos suggested, but it has
> introduced some new ideas, and that in and of itself serves a purpose
(i.e.
> motivated me -- and hopefully others -- to try our own designs), so
> hopefully it's not seen as a loss by the company who so generously
invested
> effort.
> P.P.S. I know I've only contributed a little to the API, and I've been out
> of it for a while now.  Just get into a funk and lose motivation.  So I
> contribute where I can, when I find motivation, like with this logo.


Also had a vary long winded blurb here but fuck it.. the short version.
A contribution is a contribution is a contribution.
one can say the dude who seals your driveway had very little to do with
building your house..
but then, without them, your driveway would rot. no?

Every single contribution, in any size or flavour is a critical part of the
project as a whole and is appreciated by all.

---- logo prefs ----
logo.gif: crisp. clean. professional.
7.gif: see above.. but also note the squares have less detail and less
color. this makes this one more printable and scaleable.
1.gif: I do not believe that there is anything particularly wrong with the
"button" look. but you can go too far in making something look 3D.. this one
looks 3D(and hence jumps out of the page), but is not over done, resulting
in a crisp clean experience..


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