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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

I just wanted to add my support to what was said here.


>
> >Leading to my real question: should DynAPI keep supporting "old" 4.x
> >browsers? is there any need for it?
>
> At least in my world there is.
> If, for instance, the DynAPI stopped supporting NS 4.x, and/or IE 4.x I
> would
> certain would stop using it.

I would be forced to move on myself.

> People forget that usually, a client, particulary, a BIG Client, when
> specifiying
> the Browser target for his/her web page, usually wants to target IE4.x and
> NS 4.x

VERY true.. In fact, I have had to argue, plead and even beg to get a client
to
give up their hopse of supporting 3.x browsers..
(Don't ask them why they should support 3.x..
someone told them sometime that the should.... )
:-)

> Trust me, they don't care if the latest statistics show 90% of the Market
> using
> IE, they care about the other 10% too, because they want all the users to
be
> able
> to access their site.

In the case of my first client, the everage over-seas order exceeds $20,000
CDN.
If you are telling one in 4 people that 'sorry you can't order from us',
that can add up to a lot of "lost" money.. or so it seems the the business
man..

>Some months ago I did some HTML optimization for the
> team
> that built the site of the biggest telecom company in Portugal, and they
> demanded
> that we should maintain IE 3x and NS 3x compatibility!

I feel for you friend.. :-)

> I do think that the main problem is not supporting NS and IE, it's
> supporting
> a) IE 4.x, IE 5.0, IE 5.5 on Win32
> b) IE 4.x, IE 5.5 on Mac
> c) NS 4.x
> d) NS 6
>
> If you look closely there's more IE versions out there that NS versions
(at
> least
> from a pratical point of view). Most users are very lazy, and if you look
at
> most
> statistics, and if their version of Win has IE 4, or IE 5.0 they stick to
it
> until
> they cannot view a page decently, and only then they upgrade, because 15Mb
> downloads
> are still out of the question for the great majority.
>
> I don't know if NS 4 is the same on Linux, Win32 and Mac, so this view
maybe
> a bit biased or incomplete.
>
> You can't ignore 4.x versions as long as there's millions using them, just
> as you

Certain departments of the canadian government STILL use older version of
NS,
of course they actually had to pay for their licenses..

> can't start developing for a 1024x768 while there's millions using smaller
> screen
> sizes (actually 800x600 is still the most widely used screen size...)

One of the part-time writers for www.allthewhile.com (my news, site..
shameless plug? .. :-)
still works at 640x480..

Not only that, but realy should start wondering how their site will look on
web TV
of on the many hand-held Internet devices comming onto the market..
> I work in a Web Design and Development so I deal with this problem all the
> time,
> and I can safely say that professionaly, we're gonna have to deal with 4.x
> browsers
> a long time still.
>
> If the move was to end supporting 4.x browsers, I think most people will
> stop using
> it professionaly, and treat it just like a cool thing where you can
develop
> some
> experimental stuff...

Whch I probably would.. :-)

Doug

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion

[Jordi 'I. M. <jmi...@or...>]

I've never said I was using my brain nor having any bit of common sense when I
decided to join this cross-browser nightmare. The browser we, as developers, are
dealing with might be better or worse, but still the pages are our creation.
When any of my pages fails to move a layer in any browser which, in standard or
propietary way, can move layers, then it is my fault. I do complain about M$,
Netscape, AOL not helping me, but again this is my job.


"When a man chooses, even if he chooses evil, isn't still that man better that
the one that had good imposed upon him ? "

Anthony Burgess, 'a clockwork orange'

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] TCanvas

[Eytan H. <ey...@tr...>]

It is true that this object doesn't have a big difference that is why I
thought you guys would help me with OOJS. The only difference in this object
is that it is totally stand-alone. The whole OOJS will be a different
library that implements this object is a core API.

8an

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion

[Nuno F. <nun...@wi...>]

	>Leading to my real question: should DynAPI keep supporting "old" 4.x
	>browsers? is there any need for it?

At least in my world there is.
If, for instance, the DynAPI stopped supporting NS 4.x, and/or IE 4.x I
would
certain would stop using it.

People forget that usually, a client, particulary, a BIG Client, when
specifiying
the Browser target for his/her web page, usually wants to target IE4.x and
NS 4.x
Trust me, they don't care if the latest statistics show 90% of the Market
using
IE, they care about the other 10% too, because they want all the users to be
able
to access their site. Some months ago I did some HTML optimization for the
team
that built the site of the biggest telecom company in Portugal, and they
demanded
that we should maintain IE 3x and NS 3x compatibility!

I do think that the main problem is not supporting NS and IE, it's
supporting
	a) IE 4.x, IE 5.0, IE 5.5 on Win32
	b) IE 4.x, IE 5.5 on Mac
	c) NS 4.x
	d) NS 6

If you look closely there's more IE versions out there that NS versions (at
least
from a pratical point of view). Most users are very lazy, and if you look at
most
statistics, and if their version of Win has IE 4, or IE 5.0 they stick to it
until
they cannot view a page decently, and only then they upgrade, because 15Mb
downloads
are still out of the question for the great majority.

I don't know if NS 4 is the same on Linux, Win32 and Mac, so this view maybe
a bit biased or incomplete.

You can't ignore 4.x versions as long as there's millions using them, just
as you
can't start developing for a 1024x768 while there's millions using smaller
screen
sizes (actually 800x600 is still the most widely used screen size...)

I work in a Web Design and Development so I deal with this problem all the
time,
and I can safely say that professionaly, we're gonna have to deal with 4.x
browsers
a long time still.

If the move was to end supporting 4.x browsers, I think most people will
stop using
it professionaly, and treat it just like a cool thing where you can develop
some
experimental stuff...


NunoF

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] TCanvas

[Pascal <pb...@oi...>]

Ok, first: totally respect your work, but I guess it's just because I was
against the whole idea of changing stuff that I'm making some negative
comments again :)

First of all, I don't see the big differences here Object wise. The only
difference I see is that in your case the adding is done by the child and
not by the parent.

The current DynAPI code uses a method of the parent to add the child, your
code is using a method of the child to add it to the parent. But again,
that's all I see done differently.

It might be way to early to comment on this by me, but I guess I'm just not
seeing the bigger changes and ideas behind
this, and you did ask for "anything else" :-)



Pascal Bestebroer (pb...@oi...)
Software ontwikkelaar
Oberon Informatiesystemen b.v.
http://www.oibv.com

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: dyn...@li...
> [mailto:dyn...@li...]Namens Eytan
> Heidingsfeld
> Verzonden: dinsdag 6 februari 2001 15:30
> Aan: Dynapi-Dev
> Onderwerp: [Dynapi-Dev] TCanvas
>
>
> Got working on it. Have it working. I'd appreciate it if you
> test it, fix
> it, have idea or anything else. A lot of the code is borrowed from the
> DynAPI(although most of the borrowed code there is only one
> way to write).
>
> It works like this.
> myCanvas = new Canvas(owner);
> myCanvas.create();
> if owner is ommited it is created in the document itself.
> Currently working
> on events. About to add destroy.
> Supported methods:
> * setHTML
> * moveTo, setX, setY, getX, getY
> * setVisible, getVisible
> * setSize, setWidth, setHeight, getWidth, getHeight
> * setBgColor
>
> Will have all the other methods ported.
> you have to also include the browser.js file.
>
>

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Word? I don't use it.
Excel? HAHA!! anything I would want to do with excel,
I'd rather do with VB..
;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordi 'IlMaestro' Ministral" <jmi...@or...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion


> It would be easy to drop every browser but IE, and force users to upgrade.
If
> they kept on finding errors in pages they would finally update to the
browser
> we developers choose. Things would be easier if everybody used IE as
> everybody uses Word and Excel, sure. Things would be easier if there were
no
> Solaris and Linux OSs. Application development would be easier if the was
> only one programming language and one Database architechture. Everything
> would be easier if people did not have a chance to choose.
>
> But that is not a world I would want to live in.
>
>
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RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion

[Pascal <pb...@oi...>]

As usuall this agains spawns heavy discussions on Netscape addicts and IE
addicts.

I guess this is the problem (as Michael pointed out) : both browsers are the
worst implementations of a software application. They are doing things they
shouldn't do (email, news, etc..) And the things you use them for (browsing
the web) aren't being done in one normal standard way.

Everyone is raving about Netscape keeping up with standards, but those
standards are worthless seeing as more then 90% of the people browsing the
web are using a non-standard compliant browser like IE. So while Mozilla is
trying to be standard compliant (to W3C standards, who seem to release new
versions of there standards before the old one is actually useable or
standard for that matter).

If there was only one browser (I don't give a damn on who creates it at this
point) things would be alot easier, and Mozilla is making that harder then
it already was with introducing yet another browser which works almost like
IE but because IE is not standard compliant, they both differ in small but
important areas.

Ofcourse we also have Opera going at it, but it's Javascript support (which
in my opinion is a key-component for web-browsing) is not really upto it and
therefor not yet a key player (although making it free proves that they are
still a player).

And sure the DynAPI is a cross-browser library, but would you also still
support DOS applications? At one point things are just outdated and in a
library like the DynAPI these browsers might actually hold things back for a
small group of people that are using this library.  Netscape 4 might still
be a large area to support (with Linux users) but IE4 is also being outdated
(seeing that Microsoft stuffs the auto-update junk on your screen many
times, I can't imagine even the dumbest pc users haven't upgraded somehow
using the download option or any random pc magazine's cover CD). Looking at
my site's access logs most users (98%) are already using a Windows based
platform with an IE5+ browser.

To make it even worse, Netscape is now officially dead, there will be an AOL
browser available... will this be "based" on Mozilla, or will AOL add things
that will add to the "AOL experience" which will most likely spawn some
other hot features not found in the standards.

Don't get me wrong, I'm definetly not pro-microsoft (I'm already terrified
by the .Net idea which hopefully will fail) but at this point I wouldn't
mind MS having a monopoly position in browsers.. it would simplefy things so
much that it could even open up for other developers to create new and
compact browsers that can show all websites because they are IE compatible.

How long would we keep support for these older browsers in the DynAPI, and
shouldn't we be looking forward. We might actually be making things worse by
giving people a reason to not upgrade to a "better" browser.



Pascal Bestebroer (pb...@oi...)
Software ontwikkelaar
Oberon Informatiesystemen b.v.
http://www.oibv.com

[Dynapi-Dev] Help with porting the Events

[Eytan H. <ey...@tr...>]

Now that I have started and you can all see where this canvas object is
going (completely stand-alone component) can someone help me with events?

8an

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Browser.js variation

[Eytan H. <ey...@tr...>]

Just look at my browser.js that is included same thing!
BTW I don't have the superclass but could I interest you in my OOJS?
8an

-----Original Message-----
From: dyn...@li...
[mailto:dyn...@li...]On Behalf Of Michael
Pemberton
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 4:40 PM
To: dyn...@li...
Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Browser.js variation


As the topic of ns6 was being dicussed, I had a look as the browser.js
file.  I've attached a variation that I've implemented in my own version
of the API.  I didn't need the Browser() function anywhere else but
"is".  So I decided to create a single object instead of creating a
class and them instantiating that class as "is".

If my logic is wrong, please tell me.
--
Michael Pemberton
mp...@ph...
ICQ: 12107010

[Dynapi-Dev] Browser.js variation

[Michael P. <mp...@ph...>]

As the topic of ns6 was being dicussed, I had a look as the browser.js
file.  I've attached a variation that I've implemented in my own version
of the API.  I didn't need the Browser() function anywhere else but
"is".  So I decided to create a single object instead of creating a
class and them instantiating that class as "is".

If my logic is wrong, please tell me.
--
Michael Pemberton
mp...@ph...
ICQ: 12107010

[Dynapi-Dev] SuperClass

[Michael P. <mp...@ph...>]

Does anyone have a copy of the code for this?  example? documentation?
--
Michael Pemberton
mp...@ph...
ICQ: 12107010

[Dynapi-Dev] TCanvas

[Eytan H. <ey...@tr...>]

Got working on it. Have it working. I'd appreciate it if you test it, fix
it, have idea or anything else. A lot of the code is borrowed from the
DynAPI(although most of the borrowed code there is only one way to write).

It works like this.
myCanvas = new Canvas(owner);
myCanvas.create();
if owner is ommited it is created in the document itself. Currently working
on events. About to add destroy.
Supported methods:
* setHTML
* moveTo, setX, setY, getX, getY
* setVisible, getVisible
* setSize, setWidth, setHeight, getWidth, getHeight
* setBgColor

Will have all the other methods ported.
you have to also include the browser.js file.

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion

[Richard B. <ma...@ri...>]

hi,
If we don't support as many browsers as possible, the need for DynAPI2
becomes questionable.
Once NS releases a NS6 version which is not so bugridden as this one, and
NS4 users start to upgrade, the support for NS4 can be reviewed.
A nice transitional process would be the inclusion of Dom/Css modules, which
allow for the latest effects in IE5.5/Mozilla/Ns6, while degrading nicely
for NS4/IE4.
For instance we could have a fadeIn() fadeOut() call for dynlayers, which
would simply show/hide in NS4/IE4.
Nice job on the WYSIWYG interface BTW.

Cheers,
Richard Bennett

ma...@ri...
www.richardinfo.com
(Everything running on, and ported to the 19/12/2000 snapshot of DynAPI2)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal" <pb...@oi...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 12:20 PM
Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion


> Just reading an article on freshmeat (thanks to www.scottandrew.com) about
> Linux problems with a good browser.. mainly targeting Mozilla.
>
> Then started thinking, I was a huge fan of Netscape.. operative word: WAS.
> After trying out IE5 I got annoyed by Netscape's browser: it's so huge.
>
> I then read about Mozilla, being a faster browser using the super-fast
gecko
> engine (raved about by many sites and magazines). But when the first few
> milestones rolled out I was very dissapointed. Now NS6 is out and a few
new
> milestones have been released, but it's still one big application that I
> don't need.
>
> How many of you out there are using Mozilla, and why? Is it just because
you
> "hate" Microsoft? or is there really something I'm missing. Also for
> professional webdesigners out there, are you targeting ALL browsers, or
just
> ignoring the Netscape "things" ?
>
> Another question (full of them today :-) is that everyone wants
standards..
> so why rave about Mozilla supporting the W3C standards perfectly? If
> Netscape stops, it means that Internet Explorer (win32) is the standard
> (almost there already I think) Sure, again Microsoft will be controlling
> things, but once IE is the standard, a smart company like Opera can easily
> move into that area, making there browser 100% IE compatible, and work
from
> there.  We now have 2 very distinct Netscape browsers and Internet
Explorer
> and MS will not support other peoples standards..it's not the way they
work.
>
> Leading to my real question: should DynAPI keep supporting "old" 4.x
> browsers? is there any need for it?
>
> Pascal Bestebroer (pb...@oi...)
> Software ontwikkelaar
> Oberon Informatiesystemen b.v.
> http://www.oibv.com
>
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] My ImageSet object

[Richard B. <ma...@ri...>]

Hi,
I didn't find any reference to the mail archive, as the sourceforge mail
archive is broken this might be useful:
http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php3?hunt=dynapi

Cheers,
Richard Bennett

ma...@ri...
www.richardinfo.com
(Everything running on, and ported to the 19/12/2000 snapshot of DynAPI2)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal" <pb...@oi...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] My ImageSet object


> Speaking of the faq.. updated it yesterday with a few known bugs
>
> http://www.dynamic-core.net/core/files/faq.dynapi2.html
>
> any bugs I missed?
>
> Pascal Bestebroer (pb...@oi...)
> Software ontwikkelaar
> Oberon Informatiesystemen b.v.
> http://www.oibv.com
>
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: dyn...@li...
> > [mailto:dyn...@li...]Namens Dann
> > Verzonden: dinsdag 6 februari 2001 6:59
> > Aan: dyn...@li...
> > Onderwerp: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] My ImageSet object
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'll check it out... I'm not up-to-date with the FAQ... I'll
> > post the ImageSet
> > GUI object as soon as I test-drive it against the latest
> > release from the
> > DynAPI... I'm probably going to have change the coding style
> > a bit to adopt the
> > latest DynAPI programming style...
> >
> > CU,
> >  Dann
> >
> >
>
>
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[Dynapi-Dev] Leak in IE5.5

[<la...@mi...>]

Hi,

I am new to DynAPI, but not to dhtml development in general, and I have been
trying your API out for a while. I tried DynAPI2 after I had some serious
unsolvable problems with dynacore and leaks in IE5.5.

It appears that you have the same problem as well. I would like to help
sorting them out, but I am affraid that I can't do it alone.
Try the following code in IE5.5 look at the taskmgr.exe, hit reload a couple
of times. Watch the mem usage go up.
Now remove the DynAPI.setLibrary line and the two lines below it. Do the
same expiriment again. Memory will stay stable.
Also try keeping the includes but removing the div-tags from the body
section.

Now I have made some pulldown menus inspired by Pascals example at his
dynacore site. It leaks more than 1mb pr. reload/link. That is too much! I
need to use this for a customer.

Does anyone have any ideas on what I could do ?
I tried to include:
DynAPI.onunload=function() {
	delete DynAPI
}

It seemed to help a little, but I can't really be sure. Could that be a way
to solve it ?
In that case what do I have to look out for when writing a manual garbage
collector for DynAPI.

Anyway you put it: Waiting for the next release or using mozilla instead is
not an option. So I have to solve the problem somehow.

Regards Lasse
----
<html>
<head>
<title>DynAPI Distribution: Inline Layers Example</title>
<script language="Javascript" src="../src/dynapi.js"></script>
<script language="Javascript">
DynAPI.setLibraryPath('../src/lib/')
DynAPI.include('dynapi.api.*')
DynAPI.include('dynapi.ext.inline.js')
</script>
</head>

<body>
<div></div>
</body>
</html>

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion

[Michael P. <mp...@ph...>]

As a NS4 user, I am quite displeased with the distain that people show for
netscape as a development tool.  I have not moved to mozilla / ns6 because it
is too IE for my likings.  Have you ever tried working out what IE is doing
at any given moment?

I for one don't think that "downloading page xxx" / "opening page xxx" is not
enough.  I want to know how much of a page has been rendered.  Not just how
much has been loaded.  I want to know how long each file is taking to
download and where the progress is.

I also like having direct access to java objects using js.  Why use an applet
if I don't need to.  It al comes down to the "if M$ didn't make it, it
shouldn't really be there" theory introduced.

I'd also like to add that standards are GOOD.  If we you don't like standards
then why are we sitting down trying to make a standard API for creating DHTML
content.  Unfortunately too many large companies see a way of distorting the
standards anough to make then proprietory.  Does nay one remember Visual
J++?  Then you may also rememeber that Microsoft were sued for "tweaking" the
security component of the java code.

If microsoft really did care about web development, they would put money into
assisting with the development of standards and not into taking them apart.

As for NS support for DHTML, all of my problems hav arisen from clitches in
JScript, not the NS implementation of JS.  May I remind you that NS was
developing JS while Bill was sitting on his behind yelling the internet will
never take off.

As for Pascal's reference to the size of NS, have you noticed how large win98
is?  That 200mb increase is mostly due to the inclusion of IE.  And as an
external program, IE still takes up 20MB before you add outlook and plugins.
NS takes up 25MB with the mail / news program and Flash / Shockwave.

I should close by puting my most important bitch about IE.  It is tied to
your windows login.  As someone who lives in a house where many people use
the one system, it is not acceptable to be expected to reconnect to our ISP
everytime someone else wants to check their mail.  we have four poeple each
using different mail account, why should we make 4 times the number of phone
calls just because M$ wants to "enhance" (pronounced: "bundle") their
software?

I should close by saying the I would like to thank MS for keeping IT
professionals like me in business.  Without them, users would never have
reach their current level of stupidity (oops, I think they call that
"user-friendliness").  It has got to the point where some of the users in
this house have to think about what they are doing when I say, show me the
contents of "xxx" directory.

I apologise for my rant, it is well past my bed time and I should get some
sleep : )

Pieter Van Waeyenberge wrote:

> I'm not very experienced webscripter,
> but in my humble opinion:
>
>  1. Why bother having a standards organization?
>  2. Isn't that what microsoft targets: embrace, enhance, extinguish (cfr.
> haloween) (not my ethics)
>
>  Since
>  - NS4x is still in the stats
>  - DYNAPI is a cross-browser dhtml lib
>  - Some web applications require dhtml
>  I think NS4 should still be supported, BUT of course im not too aware of
> how much of a pain Netscape is for dhtml ...
>
> Pieter.
>
> # -----Original Message-----
> # From: Pascal [mailto:pb...@oi...]
> # Sent: dinsdag 6 februari 2001 12:21
> # To: dyn...@li...
> # Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion
> #
> #
> # Just reading an article on freshmeat (thanks to
> # www.scottandrew.com) about
> # Linux problems with a good browser.. mainly targeting Mozilla.
> #
> # Then started thinking, I was a huge fan of Netscape..
> # operative word: WAS.
> # After trying out IE5 I got annoyed by Netscape's browser:
> # it's so huge.
> #
> # I then read about Mozilla, being a faster browser using the
> # super-fast gecko
> # engine (raved about by many sites and magazines). But when
> # the first few
> # milestones rolled out I was very dissapointed. Now NS6 is out
> # and a few new
> # milestones have been released, but it's still one big
> # application that I
> # don't need.
> #
> # How many of you out there are using Mozilla, and why? Is it
> # just because you
> # "hate" Microsoft? or is there really something I'm missing. Also for
> # professional webdesigners out there, are you targeting ALL
> # browsers, or just
> # ignoring the Netscape "things" ?
> #
> # Another question (full of them today :-) is that everyone
> # wants standards..
> # so why rave about Mozilla supporting the W3C standards perfectly? If
> # Netscape stops, it means that Internet Explorer (win32) is
> # the standard
> # (almost there already I think) Sure, again Microsoft will be
> # controlling
> # things, but once IE is the standard, a smart company like
> # Opera can easily
> # move into that area, making there browser 100% IE compatible,
> # and work from
> # there.  We now have 2 very distinct Netscape browsers and
> # Internet Explorer
> # and MS will not support other peoples standards..it's not the
> # way they work.
> #
> # Leading to my real question: should DynAPI keep supporting "old" 4.x
> # browsers? is there any need for it?
> #
> # Pascal Bestebroer (pb...@oi...)
> # Software ontwikkelaar
> # Oberon Informatiesystemen b.v.
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RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Load external Files Alternative

[<ma...@ab...>]

right now this is how the LoadPanel works for ie5
line 161 in dynapi/gui/loadpanel.js:

else if (is.ie5) {
lpanel.loadElement.startDownload(url,LoadQueue.loadHandler);

cheers
/martin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dyn...@li...
> [mailto:dyn...@li...]On Behalf Of francesco
> AGATI
> Sent: den 6 februari 2001 14:38
> To: dyn...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Load external Files Alternative
> 
> 
> Ok i understand,
> 
> but is interesting how IE5 using the behaviors for loading external files
> with the command download
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Pemberton" <mp...@ph...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 2:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Load external Files Alternative
> 
> 
> > I've already done this with my FileIO class.  It uses an applet to
> download
> > the content.  I have extended it to parse the content and 
> extract the body
> /
> > title from the document and also to execute js code.  I can send you a
> > work-in-progress version if you're interested.
> >
> > francesco AGATI wrote:
> >
> > >  I have find this document for load external files with ns4 and Ie5
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> http://www.faqts.com/knowledge-base/view.phtml/aid/1268/fid/126/lang/en
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Load external Files Alternative

[francesco A. <fa...@we...>]

Ok i understand,

but is interesting how IE5 using the behaviors for loading external files
with the command download

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Pemberton" <mp...@ph...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Load external Files Alternative


> I've already done this with my FileIO class.  It uses an applet to
download
> the content.  I have extended it to parse the content and extract the body
/
> title from the document and also to execute js code.  I can send you a
> work-in-progress version if you're interested.
>
> francesco AGATI wrote:
>
> >  I have find this document for load external files with ns4 and Ie5
> >
> >
> >  http://www.faqts.com/knowledge-base/view.phtml/aid/1268/fid/126/lang/en
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Load external Files Alternative

[Michael P. <mp...@ph...>]

I've already done this with my FileIO class.  It uses an applet to download
the content.  I have extended it to parse the content and extract the body /
title from the document and also to execute js code.  I can send you a
work-in-progress version if you're interested.

francesco AGATI wrote:

>  I have find this document for load external files with ns4 and Ie5
>
>
>  http://www.faqts.com/knowledge-base/view.phtml/aid/1268/fid/126/lang/en
>
>
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[Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 events

[Jordi 'I. M. <jmi...@or...>]

I finally got Mozilla to run in my machine. I've taken the NS6-related patches
from surceforge and I'm applying them and seeing what's working and what's not. I
hope to fix everything soon.

Stay tuned.

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion

[Jordi 'I. M. <jmi...@or...>]

It would be easy to drop every browser but IE, and force users to upgrade. If
they kept on finding errors in pages they would finally update to the browser
we developers choose. Things would be easier if everybody used IE as
everybody uses Word and Excel, sure. Things would be easier if there were no
Solaris and Linux OSs. Application development would be easier if the was
only one programming language and one Database architechture. Everything
would be easier if people did not have a chance to choose.

But that is not a world I would want to live in.

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion

[Pieter V. W. <pie...@1e...>]

I'm not very experienced webscripter,
but in my humble opinion:

 1. Why bother having a standards organization?
 2. Isn't that what microsoft targets: embrace, enhance, extinguish (cfr.
haloween) (not my ethics)

 Since
 - NS4x is still in the stats
 - DYNAPI is a cross-browser dhtml lib
 - Some web applications require dhtml
 I think NS4 should still be supported, BUT of course im not too aware of
how much of a pain Netscape is for dhtml ...


Pieter.


# -----Original Message-----
# From: Pascal [mailto:pb...@oi...]
# Sent: dinsdag 6 februari 2001 12:21
# To: dyn...@li...
# Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion
# 
# 
# Just reading an article on freshmeat (thanks to 
# www.scottandrew.com) about
# Linux problems with a good browser.. mainly targeting Mozilla.
# 
# Then started thinking, I was a huge fan of Netscape.. 
# operative word: WAS.
# After trying out IE5 I got annoyed by Netscape's browser: 
# it's so huge.
# 
# I then read about Mozilla, being a faster browser using the 
# super-fast gecko
# engine (raved about by many sites and magazines). But when 
# the first few
# milestones rolled out I was very dissapointed. Now NS6 is out 
# and a few new
# milestones have been released, but it's still one big 
# application that I
# don't need.
# 
# How many of you out there are using Mozilla, and why? Is it 
# just because you
# "hate" Microsoft? or is there really something I'm missing. Also for
# professional webdesigners out there, are you targeting ALL 
# browsers, or just
# ignoring the Netscape "things" ?
# 
# Another question (full of them today :-) is that everyone 
# wants standards..
# so why rave about Mozilla supporting the W3C standards perfectly? If
# Netscape stops, it means that Internet Explorer (win32) is 
# the standard
# (almost there already I think) Sure, again Microsoft will be 
# controlling
# things, but once IE is the standard, a smart company like 
# Opera can easily
# move into that area, making there browser 100% IE compatible, 
# and work from
# there.  We now have 2 very distinct Netscape browsers and 
# Internet Explorer
# and MS will not support other peoples standards..it's not the 
# way they work.
# 
# Leading to my real question: should DynAPI keep supporting "old" 4.x
# browsers? is there any need for it?
# 
# Pascal Bestebroer (pb...@oi...)
# Software ontwikkelaar
# Oberon Informatiesystemen b.v.
# http://www.oibv.com
# 
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[Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion

[Pascal <pb...@oi...>]

Just reading an article on freshmeat (thanks to www.scottandrew.com) about
Linux problems with a good browser.. mainly targeting Mozilla.

Then started thinking, I was a huge fan of Netscape.. operative word: WAS.
After trying out IE5 I got annoyed by Netscape's browser: it's so huge.

I then read about Mozilla, being a faster browser using the super-fast gecko
engine (raved about by many sites and magazines). But when the first few
milestones rolled out I was very dissapointed. Now NS6 is out and a few new
milestones have been released, but it's still one big application that I
don't need.

How many of you out there are using Mozilla, and why? Is it just because you
"hate" Microsoft? or is there really something I'm missing. Also for
professional webdesigners out there, are you targeting ALL browsers, or just
ignoring the Netscape "things" ?

Another question (full of them today :-) is that everyone wants standards..
so why rave about Mozilla supporting the W3C standards perfectly? If
Netscape stops, it means that Internet Explorer (win32) is the standard
(almost there already I think) Sure, again Microsoft will be controlling
things, but once IE is the standard, a smart company like Opera can easily
move into that area, making there browser 100% IE compatible, and work from
there.  We now have 2 very distinct Netscape browsers and Internet Explorer
and MS will not support other peoples standards..it's not the way they work.

Leading to my real question: should DynAPI keep supporting "old" 4.x
browsers? is there any need for it?

Pascal Bestebroer (pb...@oi...)
Software ontwikkelaar
Oberon Informatiesystemen b.v.
http://www.oibv.com

[Dynapi-Dev] Load external Files Alternative

[francesco A. <fa...@we...>]

 I have find this document for load external files with ns4 and Ie5
 
 
 http://www.faqts.com/knowledge-base/view.phtml/aid/1268/fid/126/lang/en
 
 

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] My ImageSet object

[Pascal <pb...@oi...>]

Speaking of the faq.. updated it yesterday with a few known bugs

http://www.dynamic-core.net/core/files/faq.dynapi2.html

any bugs I missed?

Pascal Bestebroer (pb...@oi...)
Software ontwikkelaar
Oberon Informatiesystemen b.v.
http://www.oibv.com 

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: dyn...@li...
> [mailto:dyn...@li...]Namens Dann
> Verzonden: dinsdag 6 februari 2001 6:59
> Aan: dyn...@li...
> Onderwerp: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] My ImageSet object
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'll check it out... I'm not up-to-date with the FAQ... I'll 
> post the ImageSet
> GUI object as soon as I test-drive it against the latest 
> release from the
> DynAPI... I'm probably going to have change the coding style 
> a bit to adopt the
> latest DynAPI programming style...
> 
> CU,
>  Dann
> 
>