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From: Daniel G. <sp...@ho...> - 2002-07-10 13:14:49
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Wow I didn't realise there were such big issues about it. You need a new key each time you upgrade? I thought the memory requirements were because it helped stability! Is Windows2000 the best then? >From: Hongli Lai <h....@ch...> >To: Daniel Glenfield <sp...@ho...> >CC: dev...@li... >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] off topic - windows XP >Date: 10 Jul 2002 15:06:14 +0200 > >On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 11:50, Daniel Glenfield wrote: > > > > > > Hi, I was wondering what the common complaints are about windows XP. I >know > > it reports all crashes to microsoft (unless you have a firewall up to >stop > > this of course) but what other complaints have there been? I just >thought > > that if I brought a PC from a store it'll have XP on it. > > > >Product Activation. Every time you upgrade your hardware or when a virus >formats your hard drive you'll have to call MS to get a new key. >And you can only do this 8 times, after that you'll have to buy a new >license. >The hardware requirements and performance are also rediculous. All the >eyecandy doesn't help increase productivity (but people seem to love the >"Look I'm playing"/Teletubbies-theme). Performance is worse than Win2k. > > > > Also, same question for Millenium Edition (which I have). > >DOS is gone. So if something goes wrong I can't fix it from DOS anymore. >Some controls, like the scrollbars, have become noticably slower. >The stability is worse than 98. >And I can't remove Windows Movie Maker, even though I have no digital >camera. > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >Two, two, TWO treats in one. >http://thinkgeek.com/sf >_______________________________________________ >Dev-cpp-users mailing list >Dev...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com |
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From: Hongli L. <h....@ch...> - 2002-07-10 14:03:54
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Daniel Glenfield wrote: > > Wow I didn't realise there were such big issues about it. You need a > new key each time you upgrade? > I thought the memory requirements were because it helped stability! Memory requirements have nothing to do with stability. The huge requirements are caused by all the eyecandy, the fact that an entire browser (Internet Explorer) is integrated in the system (and is loaded all the time), and other bloatness. > Is Windows2000 the best then? > I think so, apart from the fact that games don't run well on 2000 or XP. |
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From: Abhijit S. <mu...@gm...> - 2002-07-10 15:32:42
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The activation thing can be resolved by downloading a crack from the net. The memory management is okay, if you disable eye-candy, it works well (I have 128 mb RAM and my system is VERY smooth), but it doesn't have DOS, which is a real pain (not having DOS, not DOS itself :) It reports crashes to MS, but that can be disabled by changing an option in the control panel. But it is pretty stable (2000/NT kernel). And DX games do run properly on XP (not better than 98, but reasonably well). Some of your old drivers and programs may not work on it (but that's not an issue if it's on a new PC) It's got a lot of bloat, so beware. -------------------------- Checked with NAV 2002 http://mudeth.tripod.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hongli Lai" <h....@ch...> To: "Daniel Glenfield" <sp...@ho...> Cc: <dev...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] off topic - windows XP > Daniel Glenfield wrote: > > > > > Wow I didn't realise there were such big issues about it. You need a > > new key each time you upgrade? > > I thought the memory requirements were because it helped stability! > > > Memory requirements have nothing to do with stability. The huge > requirements are caused by all the eyecandy, the fact that an entire > browser (Internet Explorer) is integrated in the system (and is loaded > all the time), and other bloatness. > > > Is Windows2000 the best then? > > > > I think so, apart from the fact that games don't run well on 2000 or XP. |
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From: Hongli L. <h....@ch...> - 2002-07-10 16:21:46
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Abhijit Shylanath wrote: >The activation thing can be resolved by downloading a crack from the net. > Which is illegal. So that isn't a choice. |
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From: Abhijit S. <mu...@gm...> - 2002-07-10 18:01:07
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> >The activation thing can be resolved by downloading a crack from the net. > > > > Which is illegal. So that isn't a choice. If you've bought it, I don't think it matters. |
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From: Ramana K. <ra...@my...> - 2002-07-19 12:07:36
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i have winxp home edition i have found it an improvement over all other "home" editions of windows. people are complaining there's no dos... true there's no underlying dos architecture any more, but you can still use a command box by running "command" from the start menu. one thing i regret: i should have got proffesional (or some other higher) version of windows, because home edition is actually restricted than i thought in areas like multiple languages or (this one doesn't really concern me) multiple processors, hard drives, and some other stuff. but this is the most stable windows i've seen. as for reporting errors to ms, unless winxp is doing this in the background (which would be ground for legal against microsoft?) all error reporting is only made confidentially and AFTER CONSENT of the user. i don't particularly take a liking to defending microsoft, but i tell it how it is (how i experience it) and personally, i don't have the time or energy to deal with other os's where i can't fall back on the fact that such a big powerful company like microsoft made it (lol - and all the implications of that) -----Original Message----- From: dev...@li... [mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of Abhijit Shylanath Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2002 1:31 AM To: dev...@li... Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] off topic - windows XP The activation thing can be resolved by downloading a crack from the net. The memory management is okay, if you disable eye-candy, it works well (I have 128 mb RAM and my system is VERY smooth), but it doesn't have DOS, which is a real pain (not having DOS, not DOS itself :) It reports crashes to MS, but that can be disabled by changing an option in the control panel. But it is pretty stable (2000/NT kernel). And DX games do run properly on XP (not better than 98, but reasonably well). Some of your old drivers and programs may not work on it (but that's not an issue if it's on a new PC) It's got a lot of bloat, so beware. -------------------------- Checked with NAV 2002 http://mudeth.tripod.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hongli Lai" <h....@ch...> To: "Daniel Glenfield" <sp...@ho...> Cc: <dev...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] off topic - windows XP > Daniel Glenfield wrote: > > > > > Wow I didn't realise there were such big issues about it. You need a > > new key each time you upgrade? > > I thought the memory requirements were because it helped stability! > > > Memory requirements have nothing to do with stability. The huge > requirements are caused by all the eyecandy, the fact that an entire > browser (Internet Explorer) is integrated in the system (and is loaded > all the time), and other bloatness. > > > Is Windows2000 the best then? > > > > I think so, apart from the fact that games don't run well on 2000 or XP. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Two, two, TWO treats in one. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Dev-cpp-users mailing list Dev...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users |
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From: Ioannis V. <no...@ho...> - 2002-07-10 23:47:40
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> -----Original Message----- > From: dev...@li... > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf > Of Hongli Lai > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:09 PM > To: Daniel Glenfield > Cc: dev...@li... > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] off topic - windows XP > > > Daniel Glenfield wrote: > > > > > Wow I didn't realise there were such big issues about it. > You need a > > new key each time you upgrade? > > I thought the memory requirements were because it helped stability! > > > Memory requirements have nothing to do with stability. The huge > requirements are caused by all the eyecandy, the fact that an entire > browser (Internet Explorer) is integrated in the system (and > is loaded > all the time), and other bloatness. In comparison to 9x Win2k/XP memory requirements is due to the pure 32-bit OS code (very genrally, 32-bit code occupies the double space than 16-bit code and runs at the double speed in a 32-bit processor. In Itanium for example, the minimum memory requirements to run an 64-bit OS and some applications is 1 GB!! (from before the Win XP time). > > > Is Windows2000 the best then? > > > > I think so, apart from the fact that games don't run well on > 2000 or XP. They run great on both. Ioannis * Ioannis Vranos * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.cjb.net * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys |
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From: Ioannis V. <no...@ho...> - 2002-07-10 23:44:42
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> -----Original Message----- > From: dev...@li... > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf > Of Daniel Glenfield > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:15 PM > To: dev...@li... > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] off topic - windows XP > > > > Wow I didn't realise there were such big issues about it. You > need a new key > each time you upgrade? > I thought the memory requirements were because it helped stability! > > Is Windows2000 the best then? WinXP is better than Win2k. The only dark cloud is that product activation which tires you if you format the HDD all the time. Ioannis * Ioannis Vranos * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.cjb.net * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys |
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From: Matthew H. <mhi...@sy...> - 2002-07-11 00:24:04
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Hello, Ready for another long post? 8-) Ioannis Vranos wrote: >WinXP is better than Win2k. The only dark cloud is that product >activation which tires you if you format the HDD all the time. > > Not really. Not that I format the way I used to, but... I just connect to the internet... activate (don't bother to register... though some do) and voila! Activation acknowledges that you'll change hardware over time. As long as it's incremetal, there's no need for concern. Just don't gut your machine (i.e. change vidoe, audio, NIC, hdd, and RAM configuration in an evening. 8-). I agree with Ioannis, it is a nice little OS. Sure, I'd really advise running with 128+ MB of RAM, and more than 10 GB of HDD space, but the abiliity to use the recovery console (already mentioned), or system restore, or even driver rollback. Hardware support is good, and anything that doesn't run right out of the box, you can patch. (Besides, if you're getting a new machine... where are you going to find one with less hardware than that???) Better still, if you're looking for new hardware, go with some of the big guys (Dell, HP/Compaq, IBM, etc.). They usually offer "system-locked" versions of XP. If you run it on the hardware it's keyed on (usually the BIOS), you don't have to activate! (Registration still optional.) I don't like the eyecandy, so I shut most of it off. I enabled the built-in firewall (little counter-intuitive to find the log after the fact), and I just choose "Don't Send" when an error occurs. I also didn't like the insistance that Messenger be enabled all the time. Tried shutting it off, but it's persistant... so, I renamed it, and everything's good. I choose my patches carefully (remember system restore!), and it goes from there. As to DOS... yeah, DOS is gone (get VMWare, etc. and install FreeDOS... ), but I don't miss it. (DOS games seem slow... maybe it's just that I don't care to take the time to fix it. Windows stuff runs fine.). And... hey... it is good and stable (far more so that Win98. Besides XP comes with built-in PPPOE.... no need for connection software from my ISP for DSL!) Now, if I could only figure out how to remove MovieMaker... <sigh!> (It's probably out there somewhere... a task for another day). If you have questions about the OS... do some reading. There's lots of opinions out there... (some even grounded on fact... stay away from Microsoft... and the "I hate MS" websites and you should get something balanced). Good Luck! --- Matthew Hickson |
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From: Bob W. <bo...@ph...> - 2002-07-11 15:18:03
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Ioannis, > WinXP is better than Win2k. The only dark cloud is that product > activation which tires you if you format the HDD all the time. The following is said with a wink and a nod and an face masked with false incredulity. "Why would anyone reformat the hard disk all the time?" |
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From: Ioannis V. <no...@ho...> - 2002-07-12 01:11:20
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That's another subject. :) Ioannis * Ioannis Vranos * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.cjb.net * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys > -----Original Message----- > From: dev...@li... > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf > Of Bob Wilson > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:18 PM > To: Dev-C++ User Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] off topic - windows XP > > > Ioannis, > > > WinXP is better than Win2k. The only dark cloud is that product > > activation which tires you if you format the HDD all the time. > > The following is said with a wink and a nod and an face > masked with false > incredulity. > > "Why would anyone reformat the hard disk all the time?" > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > PC Mods, Computing goodies, cases & more > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > |
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From: Jorge A. <jor...@ep...> - 2002-07-11 18:40:27
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Bob Wilson writes: >Ioannis, > >> WinXP is better than Win2k. The only dark cloud is that >product >> activation which tires you if you format the HDD all the >time. > >The following is said with a wink and a nod and an face >masked with = false >incredulity. > >"Why would anyone reformat the hard disk all the time?" Elemental, Windows ALWAYS works better after a clean install (especialy = W9x), therefore two clean installs in the year makes more than the bored = "optimization" tools in windows. |
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From: Bob W. <bo...@ph...> - 2002-07-11 19:22:16
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Jorge > Elemental, Windows ALWAYS works better after a clean install > (especialy W9x), therefore two clean installs in the year makes > more than the bored "optimization" tools in windows. Yes I know. It is my favorite way to spend, or waste, a day or two. (We have several computers here.) Every time I am forced into the "clean install" loop, I dream about ways to force Bill Gates and his development team to do it for me. I must admit that since I upgraded to XP that I have had far fewer problems, so far that is. Regards, Bob |
