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From: Sam <sch...@ho...> - 2001-05-21 11:25:41
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Hello All, I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my = school, and=20 currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The professor = states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a standard = C=20 compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to obtain = documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me=20 to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. Sam S. |
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From: <csc...@gm...> - 2001-05-21 11:39:45
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Dev-C++ uses the GCC compiler internally. While the Dev-C++ program itself may be not-professional, the GCC compiler is a heavy open-source standard used on many platforms and operating systems. Actually GCC complies more to the draft C++ standard than Microsoft VC++ 6 does. However this may not help if your professor is biased against open-source and GCC :-) |
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From: Mikael A. <mik...@ma...> - 2001-05-21 11:49:35
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Hi ! I good start is: http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/RZ/software/gnu/libraries/libc_1.htm= l#SEC4 the gcc compiler (the compiler used by Dev C++) is following the ANSI C = and C++ standards very close (much better then for example Microsoft's = C/C++ compiler, Borland/Inprise compilers are a step ahead of MS) I do belive that gcc is 100% compatible with the ansi C standard, I am = not sure how close the C++ part is though. Mikael ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sam=20 To: dev...@li...=20 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism Hello All, I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my = school, and=20 currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The = professor states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a = standard C=20 compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to = obtain documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me=20 to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. Sam S. |
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From: jansb000 <jan...@wx...> - 2001-05-21 20:52:53
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My advise is: use the compiler that your professor wants you to use. As = a future IT expert you are now in a position to learn an important = lesson: "The customer is always right". Too many IT professionals think = that they must argue about everything because they know that they are = right. Ok, you may be right, but investing time in discussions like this = are counter productive. Why? Because your project has probably nothing to do with which compiler = is ANSI C and to what extend. The professor is in a situation where = he/she has roots in the "old economy" (maybe even from the mainframe = generation). These people tend to hold on to what they know. I can give = you some examples of this if you want. Now you may think that the = professor has a problem? Not so... You should realise that a large part = of your future customers / bosses / colleagues will suffer from the = same. And ... you need them more then they need you. To show that you are a real professional, you should take a step back, = maybe exchange some arguments, but never overwhelm the professor (client = / colleague) with proof of his/her incompetence. They will never accept = this as a fact (who would?). My advise in a nutshell: Focus on getting your grade via the easiest way = possible. By the way; Some (although dated) research has shown that the = programming language has only a minimal effect (5%) on the timing of a = project. Choosing between C-dialects will have even a smaller impact. Is = it worth the time (and risk) that you are investing in it? You can still = develop in DevC++ and at the end port your project to the other = programming language? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mikael Aronsson=20 To: dev...@li...=20 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism Hi ! I good start is: = http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/RZ/software/gnu/libraries/libc_1.htm= l#SEC4 the gcc compiler (the compiler used by Dev C++) is following the ANSI = C and C++ standards very close (much better then for example Microsoft's = C/C++ compiler, Borland/Inprise compilers are a step ahead of MS) I do belive that gcc is 100% compatible with the ansi C standard, I am = not sure how close the C++ part is though. Mikael ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sam=20 To: dev...@li...=20 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism Hello All, I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my = school, and=20 currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The = professor states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a = standard C=20 compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to = obtain documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me=20 to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. Sam S. |
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From: Sam <sch...@ho...> - 2001-05-22 03:08:03
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I thank you for your advice which I will think about carefully in this =
situation and others in the future. My biggest problem is that the class =
is over and I have no opportunity to use another compiler or development =
software to "fix" the problem. I am stuck in a situation where my work =
will most likely be reviewed by a board and I simply want to be able to =
address any concern brought up, especially since the professor has =
stated that he considers DEV C++ not to be "professional".
S.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: jansb000=20
To: dev...@li...=20
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism
My advise is: use the compiler that your professor wants you to use. =
As a future IT expert you are now in a position to learn an important =
lesson: "The customer is always right". Too many IT professionals think =
that they must argue about everything because they know that they are =
right. Ok, you may be right, but investing time in discussions like this =
are counter productive.
Why? Because your project has probably nothing to do with which =
compiler is ANSI C and to what extend. The professor is in a situation =
where he/she has roots in the "old economy" (maybe even from the =
mainframe generation). These people tend to hold on to what they know. I =
can give you some examples of this if you want. Now you may think that =
the professor has a problem? Not so... You should realise that a large =
part of your future customers / bosses / colleagues will suffer from the =
same. And ... you need them more then they need you.
To show that you are a real professional, you should take a step back, =
maybe exchange some arguments, but never overwhelm the professor (client =
/ colleague) with proof of his/her incompetence. They will never accept =
this as a fact (who would?).
My advise in a nutshell: Focus on getting your grade via the easiest =
way possible.
=20
By the way; Some (although dated) research has shown that the =
programming language has only a minimal effect (5%) on the timing of a =
project. Choosing between C-dialects will have even a smaller impact. Is =
it worth the time (and risk) that you are investing in it? You can still =
develop in DevC++ and at the end port your project to the other =
programming language?
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mikael Aronsson=20
To: dev...@li...=20
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism
Hi !
I good start is:
=
http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/RZ/software/gnu/libraries/libc_1.htm=
l#SEC4
the gcc compiler (the compiler used by Dev C++) is following the =
ANSI C and C++ standards very close (much better then for example =
Microsoft's C/C++ compiler, Borland/Inprise compilers are a step ahead =
of MS)
I do belive that gcc is 100% compatible with the ansi C standard, I =
am not sure how close the C++ part is though.
Mikael
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Sam=20
To: dev...@li...=20
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:30 PM
Subject: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism
Hello All,
I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my =
school, and=20
currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The =
professor states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a =
standard C=20
compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to =
obtain documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me=20
to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much.
Sam S.
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From: Jared E. <ja...@vo...> - 2001-05-21 18:57:25
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Before you go on a crusade, you should realize that you can choose your battles. Is this a battle really worth getting into. I had this problem, and have found that it was much easier to develop at home using what ever I had access to, then make sure the program compiled on a standard compiler, Professor lingo for MS VC++. In my experience, you should not buck heads with people who directly control your future. Learn to work around them. Develop your projects with whatever tools you have, but make sure they compile on the compiler your professor is advocating. That's my $.02. - Jared At 07:30 AM 5/21/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Hello All, > >I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my school, and >currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The professor >states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a standard C >compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to obtain >documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me >to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. > >Sam S. "The secret of flying is to throw yourself at the ground, and miss." -- Douglas Adams |
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From: Paul P. <pau...@sy...> - 2001-05-21 19:05:18
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I ran into the same situation and got around it by exactly the way just expressed. I compiled the programs at college using the standard MS compiler, which was entirely satisfactory to my instructor. The only problem I had was in the Lab test where the configuration was so different from Dev C++. My 2 cents, for what it's worth. :-) Jared Eckersley wrote: > Before you go on a crusade, you should realize that you can choose your > battles. Is this a battle really worth getting into. I had this problem, > and have found that it was much easier to develop at home using what ever I > had access to, then make sure the program compiled on a standard compiler, > Professor lingo for MS VC++. In my experience, you should not buck heads > with people who directly control your future. Learn to work around them. > Develop your projects with whatever tools you have, but make sure they > compile on the compiler your professor is advocating. That's my $.02. > > - Jared > > At 07:30 AM 5/21/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >Hello All, > > > >I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my school, and > >currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The professor > >states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a standard C > >compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to obtain > >documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me > >to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. > > > >Sam S. > > "The secret of flying is to throw yourself > at the ground, and miss." -- Douglas Adams > > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users |
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From: Sam <sch...@ho...> - 2001-05-22 03:08:03
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Again, The input regarding using various compilers and development tools is noted and will be used in the future. However, myself and other students in the class are faced with a situation where we have to defend ourselves after the fact (semester over). There are a myriad of different reasons this guy has given 90% of the class an F (the other 10% got a D), and I simply want to document all possibilities before going in front of a review board. Please, anyone with links or other resources regarding the GCC, MinGW and Cygwin compilers used by DEV C++, please let me know. I will be doing my own websearches, but just thought maybe you all might know of some resources. Thanks so much for all your input. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Powell <pau...@sy...> To: <dev...@li...> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism > I ran into the same situation and got around it by exactly the way just expressed. > I compiled the programs at college using the standard MS compiler, which was > entirely satisfactory to my instructor. The only problem I had was in the Lab test > where the configuration was so different from Dev C++. My 2 cents, for what it's > worth. :-) > > Jared Eckersley wrote: > > > Before you go on a crusade, you should realize that you can choose your > > battles. Is this a battle really worth getting into. I had this problem, > > and have found that it was much easier to develop at home using what ever I > > had access to, then make sure the program compiled on a standard compiler, > > Professor lingo for MS VC++. In my experience, you should not buck heads > > with people who directly control your future. Learn to work around them. > > Develop your projects with whatever tools you have, but make sure they > > compile on the compiler your professor is advocating. That's my $.02. > > > > - Jared > > > > At 07:30 AM 5/21/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > >Hello All, > > > > > >I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my school, and > > >currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The professor > > >states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a standard C > > >compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to obtain > > >documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me > > >to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. > > > > > >Sam S. > > > > "The secret of flying is to throw yourself > > at the ground, and miss." -- Douglas Adams > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > > Dev...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > |
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From: <csc...@gm...> - 2001-05-22 11:53:30
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> Please, anyone with links or other resources regarding the GCC, MinGW and > Cygwin compilers used by DEV C++, please let me know. I will be doing my > own websearches, but just thought maybe you all might know of some > resources. Thanks so much for all your input. Maybe this will help you: GCC http://gcc.gnu.org MinGW http://www.mingw.org You may also do a web-search on "Blitz++". This is a template class library, that uses advanced template meta-programming techniques to archive a better performance for numerical computations with matrices and vectors in arbitrary dimensions. It is used in science quite a lot. It will compile under GCC, but not under MSVC. In fact, the authors of Blitz++ do not recommend MSVC as acceptable compiler but it is explained better on their web-site the address I don't know anymore. |
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From: Ioannis V. <no...@ya...> - 2001-05-22 20:55:16
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Microsoft Visual C++ 100% compliant with the ANSI C 1989-90 standard. But it is not compliant with the ANSI C++ 1998 standard. So it is OK to learn ANSI C 89 there. What are you learning, C or C++? Ioannis * Ioannis Vranos * Programming pages: http://members.nbci.com/noicys * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys -----Original Message----- From: dev...@li... [mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of Sam Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:49 AM To: dev...@li... Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism Again, The input regarding using various compilers and development tools is noted and will be used in the future. However, myself and other students in the class are faced with a situation where we have to defend ourselves after the fact (semester over). There are a myriad of different reasons this guy has given 90% of the class an F (the other 10% got a D), and I simply want to document all possibilities before going in front of a review board. Please, anyone with links or other resources regarding the GCC, MinGW and Cygwin compilers used by DEV C++, please let me know. I will be doing my own websearches, but just thought maybe you all might know of some resources. Thanks so much for all your input. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Powell <pau...@sy...> To: <dev...@li...> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism > I ran into the same situation and got around it by exactly the way just expressed. > I compiled the programs at college using the standard MS compiler, which was > entirely satisfactory to my instructor. The only problem I had was in the Lab test > where the configuration was so different from Dev C++. My 2 cents, for what it's > worth. :-) > > Jared Eckersley wrote: > > > Before you go on a crusade, you should realize that you can choose your > > battles. Is this a battle really worth getting into. I had this problem, > > and have found that it was much easier to develop at home using what ever I > > had access to, then make sure the program compiled on a standard compiler, > > Professor lingo for MS VC++. In my experience, you should not buck heads > > with people who directly control your future. Learn to work around them. > > Develop your projects with whatever tools you have, but make sure they > > compile on the compiler your professor is advocating. That's my $.02. > > > > - Jared > > > > At 07:30 AM 5/21/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > >Hello All, > > > > > >I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my school, and > > >currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The professor > > >states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a standard C > > >compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to obtain > > >documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me > > >to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. > > > > > >Sam S. > > > > "The secret of flying is to throw yourself > > at the ground, and miss." -- Douglas Adams > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > > Dev...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > _______________________________________________ Dev-cpp-users mailing list Dev...@li... http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users |
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From: Luigi S. <gi...@li...> - 2001-05-22 00:16:00
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In my opinion there is no problem! I suggest that You look at the matter from a "new" point of view :-). It looks like you were asked to write some C source code (of course using the ANSI C): no compiler is needed to write source code, all that is needed is an editor! At 07.30 21/05/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hello All, > >I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my school, and >currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The professor >states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a standard C >compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to obtain >documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me >to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. > >Sam S. -- gisan |
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From: Vassili <v.v...@bt...> - 2001-05-22 01:20:57
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This sounds like a bad case of being bullied. If you have been loosing marks on this so called "clash" I suggest go to your head and ask for a second opinion, especially if your code follows the standard, don't forget, it's your future that's at stake here not some old fart blowing it out his back side in blue and green smoke. Get others who are higher up involved so the can have a sniff. If he does want you to use VC++, then point him to MS because they've already stated that what they are creating is "a Windows compiler." Their interest is in creating a compiler that makes Windows programs, and not one that is compliant to the C++ Standard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luigi Santillo" <gi...@li...> To: <dev...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism > In my opinion there is no problem! > > I suggest that You look at the matter from a "new" point of view :-). > > It looks like you were asked to write some C source code (of course using > the ANSI C): no compiler is needed to write source code, all that is needed > is an editor! > > > At 07.30 21/05/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Hello All, > > > >I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my school, and > >currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The professor > >states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a standard C > >compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to obtain > >documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me > >to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. > > > >Sam S. > > -- > gisan > > > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > |
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From: Jared E. <ja...@vo...> - 2001-05-22 02:02:44
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Disregard this entirely. This will only get you into hot water with the professor. Do not go above his head, when it is all said and done, he/she controls your grade in the class. - Jared At 02:20 AM 5/22/2001 +0100, you wrote: >This sounds like a bad case of being bullied. >If you have been loosing marks on this so called "clash" I suggest go to >your head and ask for a second opinion, especially if your code follows the >standard, don't forget, it's your future that's at stake here not some old >fart blowing it out his back side in blue and green smoke. Get others who >are higher up involved so the can have a sniff. > >If he does want you to use VC++, then point him to MS because they've >already stated that what they are creating is "a Windows compiler." Their >interest is in creating a compiler that makes Windows programs, and not one >that is compliant to the C++ Standard. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luigi Santillo" <gi...@li...> >To: <dev...@li...> >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:06 AM >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism > > > > In my opinion there is no problem! > > > > I suggest that You look at the matter from a "new" point of view :-). > > > > It looks like you were asked to write some C source code (of course using > > the ANSI C): no compiler is needed to write source code, all that is >needed > > is an editor! > > > > > > At 07.30 21/05/01 -0400, you wrote: > > >Hello All, > > > > > >I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my school, >and > > >currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The professor > > >states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a standard C > > >compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to obtain > > >documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me > > >to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. > > > > > >Sam S. > > > > -- > > gisan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > > Dev...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Dev-cpp-users mailing list >Dev...@li... >http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck, is probably the day Microsoft starts making vacuum cleaners." - Ernst Jan Plugge |
