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>
>Thank you for the feedback Mario. Do you think that this problem exists 
>with GDB
>or with the IDE?

I have no idea my friend.

Mario

At 07:57 17-05-2002 +0200, Hongli Lai wrote:
>On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 23:22, Mario Figueiredo wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > When I click the 'rebuild all' button, I get an error where it says I'm
> > missing MSYS-1.0.dll. I did a search on my system and the file doesn't
> > exist anywhere. I'm using 4.9.3.0 ( with the latest 1.36 build from the 
> cvs
> > area).
> >
> > On the web I found this to be part of the Minimalist compile or something.
> > I really couldn't understand half of it :)
> > Can someone please point me in the right direction by telling me how to
> > install it for dev-cpp?
> >
>
>Could you try this:
>1. Open a DOS box.
>2. Type in: cd C:\path\to\your\sourcecode
>3. Type in: make clean
>Do you get the same error? What does make's output say?

Well, it can't find make.exe.
There's no environment variable for make.exe set.
This is odd as I installed dev-cpp from the install package

Mario

Ioannis Vranos wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Hongli Lai [mailto:h....@ch...] 
>>Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:24 PM
>>To: Ioannis Vranos
>>Cc: Dev-C++ Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] gotoxy
>>
>>
>>Again, email != HTML. Yes, some email clients support HTML, 
>>but not all
>>of them support HTML, or support it well.
>>Mail servers still threat your HTML mail as text. The archive still
>>treat it as text.
>>    
>>
>
>Well PINE and mail have reached their age. Try using Kmail or something.
>
>Of course i have no intention to start now a religious war in the list,
>which i am afraid is imminent. :)
>  
>

HTML mail with Windows fontnames and sizes look terribly in KMail or 
Evolution.

And GNU Mailman and SourceForge's/Geocrawler's email archives *don't* 
have reached their age.
They are widely used mailing list software, and don't support HTML at all.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hongli Lai [mailto:h....@ch...] 
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:24 PM
> To: Ioannis Vranos
> Cc: Dev-C++ Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] gotoxy
> 
> 
> Again, email != HTML. Yes, some email clients support HTML, 
> but not all
> of them support HTML, or support it well.
> Mail servers still threat your HTML mail as text. The archive still
> treat it as text.

Well PINE and mail have reached their age. Try using Kmail or something.

Of course i have no intention to start now a religious war in the list,
which i am afraid is imminent. :)

Ioannis

* Ioannis Vranos
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

Ioannis Vranos wrote:

>Actually its purpose is to format text.
>  
>

Exactly. So why use it when there's no formatting?

>Yes but HTML is portable, so the clients should support it. :)
>  
>

But email != HTML. Email was not designed for HTML.
And mailing lists are not designed to support HTML *at all*.

>Well you have actually a point. But people usually send html in the list
>because they have it as a default to new email, since people sometimes
>communicate with formatted text. And we are bored to change from within
>a menu to simple text in a new message.
>
>But since HTML is standardised, it should be supported from any decent
>mail client (and it is even in Linux). Sometimes some clients cannot
>write in HTML but they can read it.
>
>  
>

Again, email != HTML. Yes, some email clients support HTML, but not all 
of them support HTML, or support it well.
Mail servers still threat your HTML mail as text. The archive still 
treat it as text.

Hi Ioannis,

> But since HTML is standardised, it should be supported from any decent
> mail client (and it is even in Linux). Sometimes some clients cannot
> write in HTML but they can read it.
 My first and last statement to this....so why do I have problems  
viewing web pages with Netscape under Linux, when there is standard for  
HTML? Just for info: They are HTML only, no Scripts, no ActiveX oder  
Java.....there are engough proprietary tags from MS and AOL (Netscape).

Chau

V-Li

Well...

RTF, XML, LaTeX, PDF & PS are also portable and widely used, why do not use
that formats to write emails? =8-O

What I want is to give some constructive critics, so sorry for the previous
sarcasm, it is not intended to hurt anyone... :o)

HTML purpose is to create web pages, not only to format text (HTML handles a
lot of elements that aren't 'text'), so the point here could be: use HTML
for what it is supposed to be used => web pages!

We're writting emails, not designing web pages. We're also not formatting
text, we're still writting emails, so if you want to format TEXT use RTF (or
LaTeX or whatever you want).

And there's another point here: email clients _CAN_ support HTML but in fact
they _MUST_ support PLAIN TEXT !!!
Email clients can support a lot of formats but (AFAIK) there's no indication
/ recomendation about supportting HTML or not, it is up to the developer to
do so. Just remember that HTML is handled by mail servers as plain text...

Anyway, please don't try to argue that "because HTML is newer and looks nice
it should replace plain text in mailing lists"!

Just think about this: why not avoid the use of C/C++ and port everything to
Java? 
Java is newer, portable, easier... BUT C/C++ is rock-solid, creates smaller
executables, faster programs, etc that's why we are here talking about
C/C++, right? 
Now replace C/C++ with plain text and Java with HTML... 

* Should we replace the use of plain-text-based email clients just because
there are HTML?
* Why not to use HTML for the things it was designed for and plain text for
what is was being used for (like emails)?
* The same for C/C++ and Java: It's better to write some programs in C/C++
and some others in Java, the last will not replace the former and viceversa.

Things are not black or white, there are a lot of grey scales... And I've
also heared about something called 'colors' ;o)

Regards, Santy

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hongli Lai [mailto:h....@ch...] 
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 9:02 AM
> To: Ioannis Vranos
> Cc: Dev-C++ Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] gotoxy
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 23:56, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
> > Guys do not bother. It is a religious war and religions 
> don't change so
> > easily. :) There are the text guys and there are the graphics guys.
> >
> > I recall older times when there was the antiframe movement, 
> that is to
> > create web sites without frames. Believe it or not, those guys still
> > believe the same things! Around that time there was the anti-html
> > movement (ASCII movement) that said we do not need html. Obviously
> > Hongli Lai belongs to that old movement or is directly 
> affected by that.
> > Don't expect one another to change. :)
> >
> >
> 
> Well actually there was a time when I loved all this HTML 
> mail stuff...
> until I realized how useless it is.
> Use HTML for what it's supposed to do: creating websites.

Actually its purpose is to format text.

> This is a public mailing list, with all kinds of people with different
> configurations and clients (even clients that do not support HTML).
> And the archive doesn't support HTML either.

Yes but HTML is portable, so the clients should support it. :)

> 
> What's so difficult in sending non-HTML email to a mailing list?
> There's no point in sending HTML mail when there's no 
> formatting anyway,
> so why bother use it?

Well you have actually a point. But people usually send html in the list
because they have it as a default to new email, since people sometimes
communicate with formatted text. And we are bored to change from within
a menu to simple text in a new message.

But since HTML is standardised, it should be supported from any decent
mail client (and it is even in Linux). Sometimes some clients cannot
write in HTML but they can read it.

Ioannis

* Ioannis Vranos
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

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On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 23:56, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
> Guys do not bother. It is a religious war and religions don't change so
> easily. :) There are the text guys and there are the graphics guys.
> 
> I recall older times when there was the antiframe movement, that is to
> create web sites without frames. Believe it or not, those guys still
> believe the same things! Around that time there was the anti-html
> movement (ASCII movement) that said we do not need html. Obviously
> Hongli Lai belongs to that old movement or is directly affected by that.
> Don't expect one another to change. :)
> 
> 

Well actually there was a time when I loved all this HTML mail stuff...
until I realized how useless it is.
Use HTML for what it's supposed to do: creating websites.
This is a public mailing list, with all kinds of people with different
configurations and clients (even clients that do not support HTML).
And the archive doesn't support HTML either.

What's so difficult in sending non-HTML email to a mailing list?
There's no point in sending HTML mail when there's no formatting anyway,
so why bother use it?

On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 23:22, Mario Figueiredo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When I click the 'rebuild all' button, I get an error where it says I'm 
> missing MSYS-1.0.dll. I did a search on my system and the file doesn't 
> exist anywhere. I'm using 4.9.3.0 ( with the latest 1.36 build from the cvs 
> area).
> 
> On the web I found this to be part of the Minimalist compile or something. 
> I really couldn't understand half of it :)
> Can someone please point me in the right direction by telling me how to 
> install it for dev-cpp?
> 

Could you try this:
1. Open a DOS box.
2. Type in: cd C:\path\to\your\sourcecode
3. Type in: make clean
Do you get the same error? What does make's output say?

Sam,
  Whenever making a reply I usually competely delete all the lines that =
outlook puts in there so people won't be reading over pages of stuff =
they have already read. That is basic manners.
On this you and I agree. I try to eliminate the things to which I do not =
respond and/or earlier parts of the ever increasing message thread. I do =
try to leave the part to which I am replying so that a =
"Johnny-Come-Lately" reader gets the total picture. In addition, I try =
to format my message response in a manner that will enhance readability =
and understanding as well as make it obvious who said what.=20

Regards,

Bob

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On Thu, 16 May 2002 22:24:16 +0100
Mario Figueiredo <ma...@ne...> wrote:

MF> At 11:09 16-05-2002 -0400, Mark A. Munza wrote:
MF> >Using beta 3 release on Win98SE.
MF> >
MF> >Whenever I try to start a debug session I receive an error message that says:
MF> >
MF> >     "Error with debugging process : GetStdHandle"
MF> >
MF> >Is anyone else experiencing this or is it my setup?
MF> 
MF> Apparently something to do with Win9x and ME systems. I have the exact same 
MF> problem when I run it on my Win ME machine. But no problem whatsoever on 
MF> the Win2000 one.
MF> 
MF> Mario

Thank you for the feedback Mario. Do you think that this problem exists with GDB
or with the IDE?
-- 
Best Regards,
Mark A. Munza <fly...@be...>
Flying Horse Productions, LLC

Hi Mark,

> Whenever I try to start a debug session I receive an error message
> that says:
>     "Error with debugging process : GetStdHandle"
 It's the same here, but as I currently don't need debugging it is no  
problem to me.

Chau

V-Li

All the compiler switches & extensions of MINGW/GCC 2.95.x are explained
nicely here:
http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-2.95.3/gcc_toc.html#SEC_Contents

For the rest versions look here:
http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/onlinedocs/

Ioannis

* Ioannis Vranos
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
<http://www.noicys.cjb.net/> 
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

Guys do not bother. It is a religious war and religions don't change so
easily. :) There are the text guys and there are the graphics guys.

I recall older times when there was the antiframe movement, that is to
create web sites without frames. Believe it or not, those guys still
believe the same things! Around that time there was the anti-html
movement (ASCII movement) that said we do not need html. Obviously
Hongli Lai belongs to that old movement or is directly affected by that.
Don't expect one another to change. :)

Ah, and Elvis is alive!

Ioannis

* Ioannis Vranos
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li... 
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf 
> Of Santiago Palmier Campos
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:44 PM
> To: Dev-C++ User Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] gotoxy
> 
> 
> Well... I don't want to start a flame-war right now but...
> 
> We can 'take a look to your arguments' also:
> 
> 1 - Information can be send without HTML formatting, and yes, 
> it will be
> fully understandable! Just think about C/C++ code, it's 
> written in plain
> text and you do not need 'extra formatting' to understand it ;o)

[...]

At 11:09 16-05-2002 -0400, Mark A. Munza wrote:
>Using beta 3 release on Win98SE.
>
>Whenever I try to start a debug session I receive an error message that says:
>
>     "Error with debugging process : GetStdHandle"
>
>Is anyone else experiencing this or is it my setup?

Apparently something to do with Win9x and ME systems. I have the exact same 
problem when I run it on my Win ME machine. But no problem whatsoever on 
the Win2000 one.

Mario

Hi,

When I click the 'rebuild all' button, I get an error where it says I'm 
missing MSYS-1.0.dll. I did a search on my system and the file doesn't 
exist anywhere. I'm using 4.9.3.0 ( with the latest 1.36 build from the cvs 
area).

On the web I found this to be part of the Minimalist compile or something. 
I really couldn't understand half of it :)
Can someone please point me in the right direction by telling me how to 
install it for dev-cpp?

Thanks,
Mario

Andres Rand wrote:

>Hello!
>
>>From thee other letter/thread Hongli Lai wrote:
>	Hm... you're right. There's a bug in Dev-C++ parsing code.
>	I'm going to fix it now. The next version will include the
>bugfix.
>
>My question is: can't you make 'snapshots' to get mid-fixed versions?
>For example 4.9.3.1 ;)
>I checked Bloodshed website and 4.9.2.0 wos released exactly 1 month
>ago. So, wating a new release (alpha, beta, gamma or waht ever) to get
>some bugs fixed is kinda long IMHO.
>
>Andres.
>  
>

You can download the lastest development version from CVS.

I am really poor and just hate to give my two cents on
the matter, but here they are.

1. It is true that the html tags appear on every
system including windows. I hate it when I have to
scroll through the digest when over half of it is html
tags that haven't been rendered.

2. You may have to click on an email to get one of
them viruses, true. But, some people have accidently
clicked on an email before. I had a friend who done
just that and before they knew what was going on, the
email had done installed a porn program (this was very
bad for my friend because he was both married and a
Christian.) Plus he didn't know how to uninstall it.
(He is an older person.)

3. The digest should be something that everyone can
understand without having to scroll through pages of
garbage. Yea, I know, I choose to receive it in digest
form, so it is all my fault. Oh the agony of it all.
Actually no. It isn't all my fault. Whenever making a
reply I usually competely delete all the lines that
outlook puts in there so people won't be reading over
pages of stuff they have already read. That is basic
manners. It is like buying a book on how to program
C++, and the author starts out by explaing the ABC's
to you. It is something you already know. It is
unnecassary. You scream bloody murder about the waste
in time of skipping over the pages where he explains
the ABC's. etc. Or better yet it is like buying a
book, but the author stuck in every single draft. So
you had to skip over 4 or more drafts each a thousand
pages long just to get to what you was wanting to
read. Plus it is unmannerly to the people who handle
emailing this list. By including excess garbage (html)
the people who sponsor this forum have to set aside
process computer memory to store the garbage and then
email it.

Ok, there. I have given you a piece of my mind. And
I'm going to have to stop doing it because I don't
have very much mind left. I have given it all away.

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Luigi Santillo wrote:

> At 15:52 15/05/02 +0200, Hongli Lai wrote:
>
>> Hm... you're right. There's a bug in Dev-C++ parsing code.
>> I'm going to fix it now. The next version will include the bugfix.
>
>
> Here are two small things which could be worth a little attention:
>
> 1. the command "rm" (used to erase files, when making the "clean" 
> target), is not available on old Win98SE, only "del" is implemented 
> there and it expects one argument (so one may erase: a single file or 
> more than one file but only using wildcards).
>
>
> 2. The Execute->Syntax Check, could have an icon so that it may be 
> used more often, and why not consider the command "gcc -c source.c" in 
> place of "gcc -S source.c -o nul"? The former one would generate the 
> object file (if there is no error during the compilation) which would 
> only need to be linked when one cliks on the "Compile" button to build 
> the executable.

That would defeat the purpose of "syntax checking". The syntax checking 
feature is designed
to see if the source code has the correct syntax, not to compile it.
Otherwise, you may just as well use the Compile button.

Hi

I=B4m using Dev-C++ 4.01 for a while and it=B4s very stable.

I was trying the Beta 1, 2 and 3 of Dev-C++ 5 and it crash (blue 
screen...) when compiling.

Any suggestion about configuration? Must I uninstall the 4.01 version? 
(that may be a little problem for me because I=B4m unsing it)

Thanx a lot

Roger

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