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[Dev-C++] programming style

[Ioannis V. <no...@ho...>]

I have made a small proggy to assist me to some lottery calculations, it
provides basic statistics. It shows nicely some of the benefits of C++
as a high level programming language, so i decided to post a stripped
down version to the list (in terms of complexity for speed optimization
and bullet-proofness, the results remain the same). Remember, C++ must
be dealt as a high level language, and use low level features only when
you can't do otherwise. This is often missed from the majority of C++
books (mainly written by C coders), mainly because it was very recently
standardised:
 
 
#include <iostream>
#include <vector>
 
int main()
{
 using namespace std;
 
 // Ou array where the appearrances of the numbers are recorded
 vector<int>stats;
 
 unsigned input;
 
 // cin returns true or false when in a boolean expression
 // It returns false when it finds EOF.
 while(cin>>input)
 {
   // The array increases as much as it is required. No overlfows.
   if(input>stats.size())
     stats.resize(input); // Behavior equivallent to C's realloc()
     
   stats[input-1]++;
 }
 
 system("cls");
 
 cout<<endl;
 
 int max=stats[0], min=stats[0];
 float sum=0;
 
 // As you see the code is bullet proof, whatever the size becomes
 // the code adjusts itself. The size is determined in one place, and
the code
 // doesn't depend on a specific number.
 for(unsigned long i=0; i<stats.size(); i++)
 {
   cout<<i+1<<": "<<stats[i]<<"\t";
 
   if(max<stats[i])
     max=stats[i];
     
   else if(min>stats[i])
          min=stats[i];
          
   sum+=stats[i];
 
   if(!(i%9))
    cout<<endl;
 }
 
  cout<<endl<<endl;
 
 cout<<"Maximum appearances: "<<max<<", Minimum appearances:
"<<min<<endl;
 cout<<"Average appearances: "<<sum/stats.size()<<", Total appearances:
"<<sum;
 cout<<endl;
 
 // Array object is destroyed. Its elements destructors are called.
 // No explicit memory allocation/deallocation, so no possibility for
memory
 // leaks & bugs. ==> Bullet proof code.
 
}
 
 
Ioannis

* Ioannis Vranos
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
<http://www.noicys.cjb.net/> 
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys
 

[Dev-C++] Re: Problems using float variables with DevC v4

[Carlos d. M. <cg...@wo...>]

I don't see anything you can do except transforming float to double, and
see what happens.
The while: it is a comparison with floats, and usually I read that is
better compare ints, so you can multiply by 100 and compare to 1 instead
0.01 in the while and transform to int. (In my practices usually I
compare any kind of data, I do like you float to float, double to
double... I don't transform to int and I have not noticed great fails).

[Dev-C++] STOP the HTML vs Plain issue!

[Mario F. <ma...@ne...>]

If this is the list for dev-cpp then thank you but no thanks!
Ever since I first subscribed I've been receiving 50% or more emails 
everyday on this list regarding this little war of yours.
Take it to private email.

You all seem to agree on something, and that is you all dislike spam. So 
stop spamming!

As for the numb list admins, I'm this close to unsubscribing and move on. 
It's your call.

Geez,
Mario

Re: [Dev-C++] Flame

[Hongli L. <h....@ch...>]

Ioannis Vranos wrote:

>But i can't understand the readability problems, since
>in GNU, UNIX etc any decent X-Windows, etc email client supports html.
>  
>

The actual problems are the font names and font sizes.
An email formatted as Arial 10 looks good in Windows, but the text looks 
really small
in a Linux client (even when I have the Arial TTF font installed).

And of course some people overuse HTML. Yellow text on blue backgrounds, 
yuck... -_-

[Dev-C++] Flame

[Ioannis V. <no...@ho...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hongli Lai [mailto:h....@ch...] 
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 9:23 PM
> To: Ioannis Vranos
> Cc: Dev-C++ Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Dev-C++] Using the Resource Editor
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 18:51, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
> > Not possible if you disable scripting. And it is disabled 
> by default in
> > the latest versions.
> >
> > Except of this in a philosophical note, if someone decides 
> to send you a
> > script virus, Bob has nothing to do with it. So your remark 
> has more to
> > do with whether email programs should support scripting in the first
> > place and i agree with you that they should not. But it has 
> nothing to
> > do with HTML itself. But all the decent email clients even 
> though they
> > may support scripts, they have it disabled by default and i 
> think it is
> > great.
> >
> 
> You can't embed scripts that automatically execute itself in non-HTML
> mail.
> In HTML mail, it's as easy as putting a <SCRIPT> tag in the mail.

Yes and as i said you can disable scripting inside the client. Except of
that, one can send you a binary virus (that is a real virus) or
something else nusty attached with a text email. This doesn't mean that
text is unsafe. But i can't understand the readability problems, since
in GNU, UNIX etc any decent X-Windows, etc email client supports html.
Except of that, the email clients that send html emails also send a pure
text copy in the same email so as people using older clients like pine
to be able to read it too. So the solution is not to disable HTML, just
stop using pine. :) Of course i do not expect any solution anytime soon.


Ioannis

* Ioannis Vranos
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* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

RE: Re[2]: [Dev-C++] Using the Resource Editor

[Hongli L. <h....@ch...>]

On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 18:51, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
> Not possible if you disable scripting. And it is disabled by default in
> the latest versions.
> 
> Except of this in a philosophical note, if someone decides to send you a
> script virus, Bob has nothing to do with it. So your remark has more to
> do with whether email programs should support scripting in the first
> place and i agree with you that they should not. But it has nothing to
> do with HTML itself. But all the decent email clients even though they
> may support scripts, they have it disabled by default and i think it is
> great.
> 

You can't embed scripts that automatically execute itself in non-HTML
mail.
In HTML mail, it's as easy as putting a <SCRIPT> tag in the mail.

Re: [Dev-C++] HTML vs plain text

[Bob W. <bo...@ph...>]

Santy,

> It seems to me that this is becoming something different than a 'religi=
ous
> war' about 'HTML vs plan text'... It's near a 'M$ vs non-M$ war' right
now,

Not for me. I could care less about either Microsoft or Linux or UNIX or =
any
other operating system and/or the development environment. It just so
happens that the discussion is revolving around a couple of Microsoft
products because dev-C++ is directed at the Microsoft environment.

> * - Even in the case that we're using M$ Win XX as our OS... Why am I
> suppossed to use M$ Outlook / Outlook Express as email client? Shouldn'=
t I
> use any other emails clients?

You should use whatever you desire that does the job for you. The discuss=
ion
here is more of one of inclusion vs. exclusion. The text-only crowd wants=
 to
exclude any text formatting capabilities. The thrust should be to make th=
e
environment of the archive server more robust or more inclusive.

> * - If you think that M$ is doing things better than anyone else... Why
> aren't you using M$ development tools?

I am using several different development tools one of which is Visual C++=
. I
have no love for Microsoft or any of its product lines. I personally disp=
ise
*Word*. At the same time I believe that to make something *bold* by the u=
se
of encapsulating asterisks is an affectation in the day and age of  WYSIW=
YG
word processors and desktop publishing tools.

> * - Statistics are not good in most cases, so saying that "pyschologica=
l,
> physiological, and marketing studies have demonstrated that '>' chars a=
re
> worse than 'tabs' or 'HTML tags'" is not a big point to have in mind...
BTW,
> just one question: Who made the studies?

Ye gads! I cannot give you a list, but I can tell you that my first
introduction to the topic was in my undergraduate days when I studied
typography, layout, and design. It is a subject which has kept my interes=
t
for decades, and I have been drawn to studies and reports whenever I came
across them.

> * - If you already know that this mailing list is different than the re=
st
of
> mailing lists that you are suscribed to: because we use different tools=
,
> because we use different and heterogeneus environments, because people
here
> think different from others, because whatever... Why are you trying to
> change the list in order to fit to your needs?

I am not trying to change anything to fit "my" needs. Rather I have raise=
d
some questions as to the wisdom of intentionally prohibiting or ignoring
messages with formated text.

> I don't want to flame you (please belive me), I just only want to point
out
> that most of us think different than you and we're using different syst=
ems
> that yours (note that many people has replied from 'text side' and not =
so
> many from 'HTML side' ;oD), so please, please, as some people has point=
ed
> out before on the list (I think Colin Laplace also said so): try to avo=
id
> the use of HTML in this list...

You have not flamed me and neither has anyone else. I have been neither
offended nor slighted by any responses to my posts on this topic. I agree
that people are using different systems, and that it is a personal choice.
However, I maintain, correctly IMHO, that it is wrong headed to not inclu=
de
the formatting capabilities of the embedded email software in the Microso=
ft
operating systems in a forum/newsgroup that is dedicated to the discussio=
n
and promotion of a piece of software that is targeted to the Microsoft
environment.

The whole discussion started with a comment that "html is evil." It is no=
t.
Like guns, nefarious individuals can do evil things with it.

> BTW, "G=FCttenberg" is a good clue for something that will make a BIG
> revolution in communications, but I don't think that HTML emails are su=
ch
a
> big revolution (and I'm not the only one)...

My "G=FCttenberg" clue didn't have anything to do with something "BIG." R=
ather
it had to do with typefaces. Specifically it was directed a numerous
comments that they only formatting that the emails in question had were a
few instances of bold face. Clearly that was not the case.

As far as I am concerned, the html-plain text discussion ends with this
post, unless someone keeps it alive.

Regards,

Bob

[Dev-C++] friend and templates

[<Wal...@va...>]

Need a little help with friend and templates

This code compiles with errors using Borlands 4.52

Here is my class:
 template <class le>
 class LinkedList
 {
      private:
            class Node
            {
                  public:
                    le data;
                    Node *next;
                    Node(le dataValue)
                    {
                         data=dataValue;
                         next=0;
                    }
            }; // end of Node class
              typedef Node * NodePointer;
              NodePointer first,newPtr,next;
              int numNodes;

      public:
            LinkedList()
            {
                  first=0;
                  numNodes=0;
            }
              ~LinkedList();  //destructor
              LinkedList(LinkedList<le>&);  //assignment constructor
              LinkedList(int,le);     //next constructor

              void Insert(le &dataVal, int position);
              void DeletePos(int);
              void InsertFront(le &value);    //Inserts value into front of
the list
              void InsertBack(int &value);    //Inserts value into back of
the list
              void InsertMid(int n, le &value, int pos);    //Inserts n
nodes with value into pos
              NodePointer getTail();
              void RemoveFront();
              void RemoveBack();
              void RemoveVal(le &value);
              LinkedList<le> getFront();
              LinkedList<le> getBack();
              le getData(int pos);
              int  getnumnodes();
              void Erase(int, int);  //range between pos and pos
              NodePointer Append(NodePointer);
              int len();
              int lenAux(NodePointer);
              void swapList(LinkedList &);
              bool Search(int);
                                  bool SearchAux(NodePointer, le);
//recursive search for datatype
                                  void Append(LinkedList &);
                                 friend ostream& operator<<(ostream &out,
LinkedList<le> &l);


 }; // --- end of LinkedList class

int main()
{
LinkedList<int> L1(5,5),L2(5,6);

 cout<<"1 L1 is "<<L1<<endl;
 cout<<"2 L2 is "<<L2<<endl;
.
.
.
 warning: friend declaration `class ostream & operator <<(ostream &,
LinkedList<le> &)'
 warning: declares a non-template function
 warning: (if this is not what you intended, make sure
 warning: the function template has already been declared,
 warning: and add <> after the function name here)
 warning: -Wno-non-template-friend disables this warning.

Compiler and linker output:
 undefined reference to `operator<<(ostream &, LinkedList<int> &)'


Walt

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Re: [Dev-C++] Removal Notification

[Bob W. <bo...@ph...>]

> How did it reach this mailing list anyway?

Good question. I do not have a clue. I received the email from the remailer
or forwarding facility of the dev-C++ user mailing list.

Regards,

Bob

RE: Re[2]: [Dev-C++] Using the Resource Editor

[Ioannis V. <no...@ho...>]

Not possible if you disable scripting. And it is disabled by default in
the latest versions.

Except of this in a philosophical note, if someone decides to send you a
script virus, Bob has nothing to do with it. So your remark has more to
do with whether email programs should support scripting in the first
place and i agree with you that they should not. But it has nothing to
do with HTML itself. But all the decent email clients even though they
may support scripts, they have it disabled by default and i think it is
great.


Anyway, 

#include <iostream> 
int main() { std::cout<<"This subject leads to nowhere!\n"; }


Ioannis

* Ioannis Vranos
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hongli Lai [mailto:h....@ch...] 
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 6:26 PM
> To: Bob Wilson
> Cc: Dev-C++ User Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Dev-C++] Using the Resource Editor
> 

All you have to do is click on an email. Outlook Express previews the
email and the virus activates itself automatically.
You don't have to open *any* attachment at all, the virus activates
itself without user interaction.





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RE: [Dev-C++] Removal Notification

[Ioannis V. <no...@ho...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li... 
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf 
> Of Bob Wilson
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 5:51 PM
> To: Dev-C++ User Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Removal Notification
> 
> 
> For the benefit of all, this was in response to an 
> unsolicited ad in French
> about "Whiskas" cat food that came through the dev-c++ mailing list.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bob Wilson
> 
> P.S. for Hongli Lai -- the ad was in html.


How did you manage to remove him Bob?


Ioannis

* Ioannis Vranos
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.cjb.net
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

RE: [Dev-C++] HTML vs plain text

[Narvaez, V. <viv...@co...>]

why don't you guys create a separate mailing list  and discuss this =
topic,
it's tiring....i want to read about c++ not html vs text.

Viviana.

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Santiago Palmier Campos [SMTP:San...@yd...]
	Sent:	Monday, May 20, 2002 11:25 AM
	To:	Dev-C++ User Mailing List
	Subject:	[Dev-C++] HTML vs plain text

	Hi Bob,

	It seems to me that this is becoming something different than a
'religious
	war' about 'HTML vs plan text'... It's near a 'M$ vs non-M$ war'
right now,
	but let me say some things about this...

	* - Dev-C++ is developed for M$ Windows but... It uses SW that has
been
	ported / is being ported from UNIX/Linux to Windows because some
people
	think *that* SW is better (and cheaper) than *other* SW developed
for
	Windows; just think about gcc/MinGW and some libraries like STL,
	wxWindows...

	* - Even in the case that we're using M$ Win XX as our OS... Why am
I
	suppossed to use M$ Outlook / Outlook Express as email client?
Shouldn't I
	use any other emails clients?

	* - If you think that M$ is doing things better than anyone else...
Why
	aren't you using M$ development tools?=20

	* - Statistics are not good in most cases, so saying that
"pyschological,
	physiological, and marketing studies have demonstrated that '>'
chars are
	worse than 'tabs' or 'HTML tags'" is not a big point to have in
mind... BTW,
	just one question: Who made the studies?

	* - If you already know that this mailing list is different than the
rest of
	mailing lists that you are suscribed to: because we use different
tools,
	because we use different and heterogeneus environments, because
people here
	think different from others, because whatever... Why are you trying
to
	change the list in order to fit to your needs?

	I don't want to flame you (please belive me), I just only want to
point out
	that most of us think different than you and we're using different
systems
	that yours (note that many people has replied from 'text side' and
not so
	many from 'HTML side' ;oD), so please, please, as some people has
pointed
	out before on the list (I think Colin Laplace also said so): try to
avoid
	the use of HTML in this list...

	BTW, "G=FCttenberg" is a good clue for something that will make a BIG
	revolution in communications, but I don't think that HTML emails are
such a
	big revolution (and I'm not the only one)...=20

	Regards, Santy
	PS: I'm using both M$ Windows systems (Win2K & XP) and UNIX-like
systems
	(FreeBSD, Red Hat Linux & Solaris)... And I try to use the *NIX ones
as much
	as I can...
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Re: [Dev-C++] Removal Notification

[Hongli L. <h....@ch...>]

On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 16:51, Bob Wilson wrote:
> For the benefit of all, this was in response to an unsolicited ad in French
> about "Whiskas" cat food that came through the dev-c++ mailing list.
> 

How did it reach this mailing list anyway?


> 
> P.S. for Hongli Lai -- the ad was in html.
> 

As if any spam isn't.

[Dev-C++] HTML vs plain text

[Santiago P. C. <San...@yd...>]

Hi Bob,

It seems to me that this is becoming something different than a 'religiou=
s
war' about 'HTML vs plan text'... It's near a 'M$ vs non-M$ war' right no=
w,
but let me say some things about this...

* - Dev-C++ is developed for M$ Windows but... It uses SW that has been
ported / is being ported from UNIX/Linux to Windows because some people
think *that* SW is better (and cheaper) than *other* SW developed for
Windows; just think about gcc/MinGW and some libraries like STL,
wxWindows...

* - Even in the case that we're using M$ Win XX as our OS... Why am I
suppossed to use M$ Outlook / Outlook Express as email client? Shouldn't =
I
use any other emails clients?

* - If you think that M$ is doing things better than anyone else... Why
aren't you using M$ development tools?=20

* - Statistics are not good in most cases, so saying that "pyschological,=

physiological, and marketing studies have demonstrated that '>' chars are=

worse than 'tabs' or 'HTML tags'" is not a big point to have in mind... B=
TW,
just one question: Who made the studies?

* - If you already know that this mailing list is different than the rest=
=20of
mailing lists that you are suscribed to: because we use different tools,
because we use different and heterogeneus environments, because people he=
re
think different from others, because whatever... Why are you trying to
change the list in order to fit to your needs?

I don't want to flame you (please belive me), I just only want to point o=
ut
that most of us think different than you and we're using different system=
s
that yours (note that many people has replied from 'text side' and not so=

many from 'HTML side' ;oD), so please, please, as some people has pointed=

out before on the list (I think Colin Laplace also said so): try to avoid=

the use of HTML in this list...

BTW, "G=FCttenberg" is a good clue for something that will make a BIG
revolution in communications, but I don't think that HTML emails are such=
=20a
big revolution (and I'm not the only one)...=20

Regards, Santy
PS: I'm using both M$ Windows systems (Win2K & XP) and UNIX-like systems
(FreeBSD, Red Hat Linux & Solaris)... And I try to use the *NIX ones as m=
uch
as I can...
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Re: Re[2]: [Dev-C++] Using the Resource Editor

[Hongli L. <h....@ch...>]

On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 16:30, Bob Wilson wrote:
> Sorry, but you can not have it both ways.
> You orginally said that html was only for web pages.
> I responded that advertisers and newsletters show that is not true.
> Your statement above contradicts your original, and, if you use
> Aristotle's criteria regarding arguments that contradict themselves
> invalidate the original argument, your objection to html in email is
> shown to be empty and/or void.

I said HTML is supposed to be used in webpages, and that spammers use
HTML in mail to lure people. How does that contradict....?


>   Ever heard of BubbleBoy?
> No. Tell me about it.

All you have to do is click on an email. Outlook Express previews the
email and the virus activates itself automatically.
You don't have to open *any* attachment at all, the virus activates
itself without user interaction.

Re: [Dev-C++] environment variables - nmake

[Daniel G. <sp...@ho...>]

Thank you all. I have been setting it on windows 2000 by right-clicking My 
Computer and using the environment variables there (setting the path 
correctly).

Thanks!
Daniel


>From: Luigi Santillo <gi...@li...>
>To: "Daniel Glenfield" <sp...@ho...>
>Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] environment variables - nmake
>Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 07:06:28 +0200
>
>At 17:38 19/05/02 +0100, Daniel Glenfield wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>apparently, according to some instructions I have for some software, to
>>clean superfluous files from a specific directory I go to the command
>>prompt and change to it (using cd C:\Program Files\XYZ), then I type nmake
>>clean to clear the files.
>>HOWEVER all I'm getting is an error message telling me that nmake is not
>>an internal or external command.
>>I think it's because my environment variables are not set up, or that the
>>"path" has not been set, but I'm confused. Can anyone shed some light on 
>>this?
>>
>>Daniel
>
>Hi Daniel
>
>"nmake" should be the Microsoft version of "make".
>
>It looks like you have a file named "C:\Program Files\XYZ\makefile", which
>contains a target "clean". The command "nmake clean" is asking to make that
>target. This generally means deleting object files.
>
>Now, you said nothing about your OS. I have Win98SE, and I'll describe
>things assuming you too have Win98SE, things should be similar on other
>Windows (but I can't try).
>
>Here are possible causes of the error:
>
>1. program "nmake" is not installed
>(try to locate "nmake.exe" on your system, it should be in
>"c:\your_compiler\bin).
>
>2. the directory with "nmake" is not listed in your path
>(open a DOS box and type "path", you should see, among other directories
>the one where "nmake" lives)
>
>If you do have "nmake", and it is not in your path, the way to fix this is:
>  - open a DOS box,
>  - type: "path = %path%;c:\directory_where_nmake_is"
>
>Note that the above change, in the "path" environmental variable, only
>affects the DOS box you are working in, it is lost when you exit it. If you
>need it permanently:
>- open the file "c:\autoexec.bat" using a text editor (like notepad)
>- locate the line: "path=c:\a_directory;c:\another_directory"
>- append to that line ";c:\directory_where_nmake_is"
>- save the file
>- restart your computer.
>
>To check if the change has actually been made, open a DOS box and type
>"path", you should see the directory with "nmake" this time.
>
>
>--
>Luigi
>gi...@li...
>


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[Dev-C++] HTML v. Plain Text

[Brian P. <br...@su...>]

O.k. Folks, and I mean everybody:
Have we got this out of our system yet?  This battle has been going on
for years and I doubt that it will be settled here, so back to
business...Dev-C++ business.  That is what this list is for, remember?  

If Colin, or whoever moderates the list, thinks HTML is an issue it will
be addressed, until then, every man/woman back to their stations.

b--

(P.s. I realize that I too responded to this issue not realizing how far
it would go.  I am sorry I said anything at all).


On Sat, 2002-05-18 at 19:07, Bob Wilson wrote:
> Well here goes,
>   Your message only contains a few lines of bold text. How does such a formatting "enhance" the understanding.
> To you nothing, but it is easier for a reader to distinguish the original from the response. Conversely, the ">" interferes with reading a paragraph. It is an unexpected character that slows down the eye and interrupts the flow of reading.
> 
>   Emails were designed to display well *everywhere*. Which email client I'm using should not matter. This is exactly the problem: you'll have to use Windows just to be able to read emails well.
> Considering that dev-c++ was developed for windows, it is not unreasonable to expect emails to be originated and received by the e-mail utilities integral to windows. 
>    
>   If MS [would] just ditch HTML and script support, invisible script viruses would not exist at all.
> Perhaps, but I am not willing to underestimate the ability of people to cause problems on either the Internet in general or on our respective computers. 
>   This is not "my" environment, I'm talking about the mailing list's email archive here! You're messing up the archive, so no matter which browser/OS/computer/whatever you're using, if you look at the HTML mails in the archive, you will only see HTML tags.
>    
> In regards to the archives on the server of the e-mail discussions, html based e-mails should not be a problem here either, but they are. The web archival system should be able to display an html message "htmlly" as well as one that is purely textual. Obviously that is not the case, but it should be. To me, the inconvenience posed by the html tags when you review an html based message archived  on the web site is more than offset by the enhanced communications formatting offers to those who receive the message directly. That all assumes that the message is formatted in a way which does not detract from the communications. Please do not think that this paragraph is a slam directed at you or anyone else. It's not. It is simply a commentary on the level of maturity and sophistication of the Internet. We all tolerate things on the internet that we cause us to return software to the maker if it had the same errors or limitations we experience daily with various web sites. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bob
> 
> 

Re: [Dev-C++] Removal Notification

[Bob W. <bo...@ph...>]

For the benefit of all, this was in response to an unsolicited ad in French
about "Whiskas" cat food that came through the dev-c++ mailing list.

Regards,

Bob Wilson

P.S. for Hongli Lai -- the ad was in html.


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Re: Re[2]: [Dev-C++] Using the Resource Editor

[Bob W. <bo...@ph...>]

  I don't know what kind of email you recieve, but most email I recieve =
do *not* contain formatting.
Most of mine comes formatted. This particular news group or forum is an =
exception.=20
  If course advertisers (read: spammers) use HTML. They are trying to =
get your attention by using pretty moving graphics and other "cool =
stuff". But we're not advertising here, we're sending simple messages to =
a mailing list!
Sorry, but you can not have it both ways. You orginally said that html =
was only for web pages. I responded that advertisers and newsletters =
show that is not true. Your statement above contradicts your original, =
and, if you use Aristotle's criteria regarding arguments that contradict =
themselves invalidate the original argument, your objection to html in =
email is shown to be empty and/or void.=20
  Ever heard of BubbleBoy?
No. Tell me about it.
  Why does one need HTML in order to make code look like the first one? =
You do that in plain text too using press Enter and Tab/Space, what does =
HTML have to do with this? And the first example doesn't contain any =
formatting at all, it just idents every line. It does not look so =
different from plain text to me, except that the fonts are horribly =
small because of the HTML.
  Ehm... where's the formatting? I don't see it. So why use HTML when =
there's no formatting?
  There is an excuse: and the excuse is that your "tool to enhance =
better communication" can make things only worse on anything other than =
Outlook Express or Windows. And here's another excuse: you're not using =
the tools to enhance communication. Where's the formatting in this =
email? The only formatting I see is the bold text quoting Zodiaq. I fail =
to see how that's any different from using plain ">" characters, because =
any modern and decent email client highlights lines that begin with ">" =
so that you can immediately see that it's a quote.
If you can not see the difference, I cannot help you, but I will give =
you a cryptic clue. The clue is "G=FCttenberg."
  But all the developers of Dev-C++ spend more time in Linux than on =
Windows. You're only making things harder for us.
I return to my original statements. First, it is your environment that =
is the problem. Second, if Dev-C++ is designed for windows, the entire =
response, archival environment should be html email friendly.=20
  Like I said before: you're not using much formatting in this email, =
thus you aren't "enhancing" *anything*.

  Formatting has it's purpose, but in *simple email messages*, with =
almost no formatting, HTML is simply useless. You can achieve the same =
formatting by using plain text. Do you want to quote something? Prepend =
">" to a line and the email client will highlight it for you. Do you =
want bold text? Do it like *this* and the text between the asteriks =
characters will become bold. How's that any different from using HTML to =
format text?
I would be willing to bet that I was sending and receiving emails before =
99% of the people who are using Dev-C++ did. Even if you have been =
sending and receiving emails for 50 years, the ">" character acts as an =
interrupter in the reading process. You may be use to reading emails =
with the ">" as a prominent feature, but pyschological, physiological, =
and marketing studies have shown that any unintelligble character =
inhibits the readability of any document. Obviously the more frequently =
someone deals with textual material that is corrupted with such =
characters, the less he/she is affected by it, but the effect never =
disappears.=20

Ioannis said that it is a "religious war." I will not go that far, but I =
do submit that it is an elitist carry over from the days when it was not =
possible to have any sort of formatting in emails other than sentences, =
paragraphs, and spaces, and it would not have been desireable in any =
case because of the 300 baud modem restriction. All of that said, the =
last thing I wish to cause is a frustration induced heart attack in =
either the Dev-C++ or mingw communities. Therefore, even though the =
progressive solution is for all of the text-only-fanatics to leave their =
1960's foxholes, I will make this the last intentionally html formatted =
email response in this limited environment. However, since my preference =
is for formatted emails, I will appologize in advance if I forget to =
turn on the formatting when I originate a thread.=20

Regards,

Bob Wilson

[Dev-C++] Re:environment variables-nmake

[Carlos d. M. <cg...@wo...>]

nmake is the make utility of Visual C++.
Hi all,
apparently, according to some instructions I have for some software, to
clean superfluous files from a specific directory I go to the command
prompt
and change to it (using cd C:\Program Files\XYZ), then I type nmake
clean to
clear the files.
HOWEVER all I'm getting is an error message telling me that nmake is not
an
internal or external command.
I think it's because my environment variables are not set up, or that
the
"path" has not been set, but I'm confused. Can anyone shed some light on

this?

Daniel

[Dev-C++] removing masterfoods

[Daniel G. <sp...@ho...>]

well done that man

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[Dev-C++] Removal Notification

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Re: [Dev-C++] Regardez la télé avec votre chat ! Gagnez un home cinéma sur www.whiskas.fr

[Daniel G. <sp...@ho...>]

merci beaucoup, j'adore les chats. Ils etre tres simple!

mon francais, c'est tres mal :(

>From: WHISKAS <whi...@xm...>
>To: dev...@li...
>Subject: [Dev-C++] Regardez la télé avec votre chat ! Gagnez un home cinéma 
>sur www.whiskas.fr
>Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:03:41 -0400
>
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[Dev-C++] Re: Dev-C++ 4.9.3.0 beta 3 - the "-s" flag of gcc

[Luigi S. <gi...@li...>]

At 14:56 19/05/02 +0200, Colin Laplace wrote:
>Hello,
>
>There is -S (stop after compile stage) and -s (strip executable)
>
>Regards,
>Colin

Thanks Colin,

Just to summarize:

1. option "-s" (lower case) is used, by "Compile", when "Generate debugging
    information" (the bold blue option) is not selected

2. option "-S" (upper case) is used by "Syntax check".


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