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Re: [Dev-C++] malloc and free

[Gil <gil...@fr...>]

free(ptr) cannot put ptr to NULL, simply because you don't pass the
address of ptr.

If you would that all you ptr that are freed, are set to NULL. Define a
fonction that do:

void freeN(void **ptr) {
 free(*ptr);
 ptr =3D NULL;
}





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:43:05 +0100
From: =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?OROSZI_Bal=3DE1zs?=3D <or...@vp...>
To: dev...@li...
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] malloc and free

Siva Chandra wrote:
> firstly, thanx Daniel and Oroszi
"Bal=E1zs" - that's my firstname, written at second place (we Hungarians =

are "crazy" people - or maybe everyone else is, except us? :D

> for the descriptive
> replyies. I have always thought free(ptr) would put
> ptr to NULL.

I think you cannot even assume that anywhere. The docs of free() only=20
tell you, that the memory is freed. However, maybe it's a documentation=20
"bug", it doesn't state explicitly that free() is NOT GUARANTEED to put=20
NULL to the deallocated memory (probably because of performance
reasons).

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[Dev-C++] FLTK, more docs please

[Maya <Esc...@ne...>]

I have downloaded the FLTK using Dev-C++ 's package manager, I ran a 
test and everything worked fine. However, I am not a GUI developer and 
never did any GUI development, but recently I have been faced with the 
need to adding GUI to one of my applications. I have considered 
wxWindows, FOX and FLTK, but non of them have enough documentation to 
keep me going, except for wxWindows. The only documentation I have for 
FLTK is http://www.fltk.org/doc-1.1/, is there any more documentation?

Thanks!!

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Re: [Dev-C++] Split code in public/private parts - Help please

[Ferdinando F. <s2...@st...>]

> How can I compile "part two" (which has no "main" function),
> so that the source code cannot be seen anymore ?

You can put "part two" in a separate file, and compile it singularly, then
distribute the output file (with .o extension).

> Then, how can I compile "part one" source code (which has
> the "main" function) with "part two" compiled version?

You have to include in your project the .o file selecting "include in
link" and deselecting "include in compilation", or equivalently build a
library from it (a .a file), call it e.g. libp2.a, and specify "-lp2" in
linker options.

> How can I make sure it is not possible
> to call directly another function of "part two" ?

_Really_ you can't, but only who knows the implementation (or is a good
and patient reverse engineer) know what's inside an object file. You
should put declarations for all functions you would like a programmer to
call in a header (.h) and distribute it with your .o or .a file.

Bye, Ferdinando.

Re: [Dev-C++] Compiling with Dev-C++

[Oliver B. <the...@gm...>]

Per Westermark schrieb:

> But you haven't even mentioned what your problem is :-)

he wants know how to embed wxwindows into dev-c++ so
he can develop apps with it. Look here:

http://wiki.wxwindows.org/wiki.pl?Dev-CPP_Setup_Guide

I suggest you downloading MSYS. Following the instructions
at the wiki compiling your own lib of wxwindows. Try to get
some more informations about using ./configure but for the
first time ./configure --disable-shared --enable-debug will
make you happy.

Oh well, just an advice, if compiling wxwindows fails, try the
devpak´s instead :-)

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Re: [Dev-C++] Compiling with Dev-C++

[Per W. <pw...@ia...>]

But you haven't even mentioned what your problem is :-)

/Per W

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Subrata Banerjee wrote:

> Hi everybody,
> Recently i have downloaded the wxWindows 2.4.2 for windows.
> i am using Dev-C++ .
> But due to my limited knowledge i could not use wxWindows.
> It will be great if anybody help me to sort out the problem.
> Thanks,
> Subrata.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Dev-C++] malloc and free

[<or...@vp...>]

Siva Chandra wrote:
> firstly, thanx Daniel and Oroszi
"Balázs" - that's my firstname, written at second place (we Hungarians 
are "crazy" people - or maybe everyone else is, except us? :D

> for the descriptive
> replyies. I have always thought free(ptr) would put
> ptr to NULL.

I think you cannot even assume that anywhere. The docs of free() only 
tell you, that the memory is freed. However, maybe it's a documentation 
"bug", it doesn't state explicitly that free() is NOT GUARANTEED to put 
NULL to the deallocated memory (probably because of performance reasons).

--
Greetings,
   Balázs

[Dev-C++] Compiling with Dev-C++

[Subrata B. <s_b...@ju...>]

Hi everybody,
Recently i have downloaded the wxWindows 2.4.2 for windows.
i am using Dev-C++ .
But due to my limited knowledge i could not use wxWindows.
It will be great if anybody help me to sort out the problem.
Thanks,
Subrata.



 

Re: [Dev-C++] News from devpaks repository

[Markku P. <mar...@ko...>]

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "David McKen" <ci...@ya...>
To: "Dev-C Mailing List" <dev...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] News from devpaks repository


> Was planning to do both dll+static but I woudn't mind going one way,
> I use static myself.=20
>=20
> Do you want TAO? If I was going to do that it was going to be
> separate. ACE by itself is kinda big and from what I hear (I don't
> use TAO) it is even bigger.

Iam not sure, but if its possible to do separate thats good.
TAO its much bigger. With bcc55 all ACE-libs are about 6Mbytes,
TAO and most of services(Naming/Trading/LifeCycle etc) are about =
70Mbytes.
Minimum CORBA configuration should be much smaller.

>=20
> How do you comple ACE with Dev-C++? I just use the msys on top of
> mingw combination. Works fine for me, Win2k as well.

I used Dev-C++ 'Import MS Visual C++ project' to generate basic project =
file.
It is normal .dev project and when Dev-C++ trys to make that library
command file lenght expands too big (<5000bytes?)
(ok, its possible to shorten filepaths etc. but that limit value still =
exists ;)
MSYS and MinGW works fine for me too.

  -Mp

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> --- Markku Puro <mar...@ko...> wrote:
> >=20
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: "David McKen" <ci...@ya...>
> > To: "Dev-C Mailing List" <dev...@li...>
> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] News from devpaks repository
> >=20
> >=20
> > > Would anyone be interested in a dev-pak of the ACE Frameworks
> > > library?
> >=20
> > With DLL libs?=20
> > Does it include TAO (CORBA Middleware)?
> >=20
> > DoYou use Dev-Cpp or msys/MinGW?
> > With Dev-Cpp I run into "command line too long" error in ACE
> > library linking phase.
> > I suppose that its a Windows (Win2000) problem but does anybody
> > know if there is any way to avoid that?
> >=20
> >   -Mp
> >=20
> > >=20
> > > I use it currently and wouldn't mind maintaing a dev-pak for it.
> > The
> > > problem is it is quite big. Check out
> > > http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE.html to see what ACE is.
> > >=20
> > :
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Re: [Dev-C++] malloc and free

[Per W. <pw...@ia...>]

The code is syntactically completely ok. However, you shouldn't take for
granted that you know what is stored on a specific location, unless you
have a document saying so.

In Windows, you could use IsBadReadPtr(ptr,size)/IsBadWritePtr(ptr,size)
to check if you have read access to the memory. Then you don't have to
hook exceptions or just loose the program because you try some fancy
memory tricks.

/Per W

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Daniel Glenfield wrote:

> Seconded. You are printing what's at that memory location, and it seems t=
he
> OS hasn't dealt with the value at that memory location yet.
>
> Here's a question though - can I do something like
> int* SomeMemory =3D 0x001249FF;
> printf("%d\n", SomeMemory);
>
> To print whatever is at any memory location (on the stack/heap in this ca=
se,
> I forget which starts around 0x0012~ in windows). Is this valid (dangerou=
s I
> am sure, but can I do this?).
>
> Daniel
>
>
> >From: OROSZI Bal=E1zs <or...@vp...>
> >To: dev...@li...
> >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] malloc and free
> >Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:09:48 +0100
> >
> >Siva Chandra wrote:
> >>I used the follwoing piece of code as a test:
> >>
> >>int *a;
> >>a =3D (int *)malloc(sizeof(int));
> >>*a =3D 5;
> >>free(a);
> >>printf("%d\n", *a);
> >>
> >>This prints 0 in the linux environment and 5 in the
> >>windows environment!!
> >>
> >>does anyone out there know whats happening??
> >>the same happens with new and delete!!
> >
> >You should take the above printf() as "unpredictable". After you free or
> >delete some allocated memory, it is the operating system's task to do
> >whatever it want's with it. It seems, that Linux automatically fills fre=
ed
> >memory with zeros, while Windows does not.
> >
> >Again, the above must be considered as unpredictable, so you shouldn't c=
are
> >about freed memory (variables): they are no longer yours, they were give=
n
> >back to the OS, so you theoretically "don't want" to do anything with th=
em
> >any further.
> >
> >--
> >Greetings,
> >   Bal=E1zs
> >
> >
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[Dev-C++] wxWindows::wxDC blitting repeatedly...

[Siva C. <siv...@ya...>]

hello,

I am using wxWindows for displaying some cool image
manipulations. 

with a slider a user can vary(increase/decrase) the
size of an artifact in an image. I used wxClientDc and
wxMemoryDC for updating the image and blitting evry
time the slider position changes. 

all this works fine but after some slider scrolls the
display is stuck: meaning it stops to update! even the
wxIdleEvent function is also unable to update the
display. but otherwise the other functionalities work
fine.

can some give me an idea as to how to work around it?

TIA,

=====
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B-Tech, Electrical Engineering,
IIT Madras.
Currently pursuing MS by research at IIIT, Hyderabad
visit www.geocities.com/sivachandra_br 




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Re: [Dev-C++] malloc and free

[Siva C. <siv...@ya...>]

firstly, thanx Daniel and Oroszi for the descriptive
replyies. I have always thought free(ptr) would put
ptr to NULL.

> Here's a question though - can I do something like
> int* SomeMemory = 0x001249FF;
> printf("%d\n", SomeMemory);
> 
> To print whatever is at any memory location (on the
> stack/heap in this case, 
> I forget which starts around 0x0012~ in windows). Is
> this valid (dangerous I 
> am sure, but can I do this?).

I have typed that bit of code and found that it is a
segementation fault(in Win2000)! 
My explanation would be that u r trying to access what
is not meant for or what u said u would not access.
i.e the said memory location has neither been
allocated by new or malloc, nor has been declared
anywhere in the code.

regards,
Siva Chandra

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Re: [Dev-C++] malloc and free

[Daniel G. <sp...@ho...>]

Seconded. You are printing what's at that memory location, and it seems the 
OS hasn't dealt with the value at that memory location yet.

Here's a question though - can I do something like
int* SomeMemory = 0x001249FF;
printf("%d\n", SomeMemory);

To print whatever is at any memory location (on the stack/heap in this case, 
I forget which starts around 0x0012~ in windows). Is this valid (dangerous I 
am sure, but can I do this?).

Daniel


>From: OROSZI Balázs <or...@vp...>
>To: dev...@li...
>Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] malloc and free
>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:09:48 +0100
>
>Siva Chandra wrote:
>>I used the follwoing piece of code as a test:
>>
>>int *a;
>>a = (int *)malloc(sizeof(int));
>>*a = 5;
>>free(a);
>>printf("%d\n", *a);
>>
>>This prints 0 in the linux environment and 5 in the
>>windows environment!!
>>
>>does anyone out there know whats happening??
>>the same happens with new and delete!!
>
>You should take the above printf() as "unpredictable". After you free or 
>delete some allocated memory, it is the operating system's task to do 
>whatever it want's with it. It seems, that Linux automatically fills freed 
>memory with zeros, while Windows does not.
>
>Again, the above must be considered as unpredictable, so you shouldn't care 
>about freed memory (variables): they are no longer yours, they were given 
>back to the OS, so you theoretically "don't want" to do anything with them 
>any further.
>
>--
>Greetings,
>   Balázs
>
>
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Re: [Dev-C++] malloc and free

[<or...@vp...>]

Siva Chandra wrote:
> I used the follwoing piece of code as a test:
> 
> int *a;
> a = (int *)malloc(sizeof(int));
> *a = 5;
> free(a);
> printf("%d\n", *a);
> 
> This prints 0 in the linux environment and 5 in the
> windows environment!!
> 
> does anyone out there know whats happening??
> the same happens with new and delete!!

You should take the above printf() as "unpredictable". After you free or 
delete some allocated memory, it is the operating system's task to do 
whatever it want's with it. It seems, that Linux automatically fills 
freed memory with zeros, while Windows does not.

Again, the above must be considered as unpredictable, so you shouldn't 
care about freed memory (variables): they are no longer yours, they were 
given back to the OS, so you theoretically "don't want" to do anything 
with them any further.

--
Greetings,
   Balázs

[Dev-C++] malloc and free

[Siva C. <siv...@ya...>]

hello,

I used g++ in linux. I have recently shifted to
windows and am using dev-cpp 4.9.8.0 for my win32
projects. there is some thing strange(or is it?) i
have found.

I used the follwoing piece of code as a test:

int *a;
a = (int *)malloc(sizeof(int));
*a = 5;
free(a);
printf("%d\n", *a);

This prints 0 in the linux environment and 5 in the
windows environment!!

does anyone out there know whats happening??
the same happens with new and delete!!

TIA,


=====
Siva Chandra
B-Tech, Electrical Engineering,
IIT Madras.
Currently pursuing MS by research at IIIT, Hyderabad
visit www.geocities.com/sivachandra_br 




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Re: [Dev-C++] News from devpaks repository

[David M. <ci...@ya...>]

Was planning to do both dll+static but I woudn't mind going one way,
I use static myself. 

Do you want TAO? If I was going to do that it was going to be
separate. ACE by itself is kinda big and from what I hear (I don't
use TAO) it is even bigger.

How do you comple ACE with Dev-C++? I just use the msys on top of
mingw combination. Works fine for me, Win2k as well.

--- Markku Puro <mar...@ko...> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David McKen" <ci...@ya...>
> To: "Dev-C Mailing List" <dev...@li...>
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] News from devpaks repository
> 
> 
> > Would anyone be interested in a dev-pak of the ACE Frameworks
> > library?
> 
> With DLL libs? 
> Does it include TAO (CORBA Middleware)?
> 
> DoYou use Dev-Cpp or msys/MinGW?
> With Dev-Cpp I run into "command line too long" error in ACE
> library linking phase.
> I suppose that its a Windows (Win2000) problem but does anybody
> know if there is any way to avoid that?
> 
>   -Mp
> 
> > 
> > I use it currently and wouldn't mind maintaing a dev-pak for it.
> The
> > problem is it is quite big. Check out
> > http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE.html to see what ACE is.
> > 
> :
> 
> 


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Fw: [Dev-C++] News from devpaks repository

[Markku P. <mar...@ko...>]

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "David McKen" <ci...@ya...>
To: "Dev-C Mailing List" <dev...@li...>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] News from devpaks repository

> Would anyone be interested in a dev-pak of the ACE Frameworks
> library?

With DLL libs?=20
Does it include TAO (CORBA Middleware)?

DoYou use Dev-Cpp or msys/MinGW?
With Dev-Cpp I run into "command line too long" error in ACE library =
linking phase.
I suppose that its a Windows (Win2000) problem but does anybody know if =
there is any way to avoid that?

  -Mp

>=20
> I use it currently and wouldn't mind maintaing a dev-pak for it. The
> problem is it is quite big. Check out
> http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE.html to see what ACE is.
>=20
:

Re: [Dev-C++] wxWindows event table question

[Per W. <pw...@ia...>]

The event table doesn't add any offset relative to the class, so you
should make your event id's unique.

/Per W

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Michael C Urban wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This might be a little off topic, but I was hoping maybe someone who uses
> wxWindows could answer it.
>
> Do all of the events within my program have to have a unique numeric ID in
> the event table? Or is it OK if they have the same numeric ID as long as
> they are not in the same class? I know that normally class encapsulation
> would allow me to use the same values and such because those values can
> only be seen inside objects of that class. However, where i am not sure is
> that is that the event table itself does not appear to be a class member,
> although it does take a class as one of its parameters.
>
> Thanks for any help anyone can give me.
>
> Mike
>
>
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[Dev-C++] wxWindows event table question

[Michael C U. <mu...@cb...>]

Hi all,

This might be a little off topic, but I was hoping maybe someone who uses
wxWindows could answer it.

Do all of the events within my program have to have a unique numeric ID in
the event table? Or is it OK if they have the same numeric ID as long as
they are not in the same class? I know that normally class encapsulation
would allow me to use the same values and such because those values can
only be seen inside objects of that class. However, where i am not sure is
that is that the event table itself does not appear to be a class member,
although it does take a class as one of its parameters.

Thanks for any help anyone can give me.

Mike

Re: [Dev-C++] OT: MS IE

[Daniel G. <sp...@ho...>]

Can I just say that wasn't me who said that
">> simply: the problem with MS is not IE 6, the problem is that
>>there is >> no IE 7 (or 6.5 at least)"



>From: Michal Molhanec <mol...@se...>
>To: dev...@li...
>Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] OT: MS IE
>Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:52:30 +0100
>
>Arnout Standaert wrote:
>>Daniel Glenfield wrote:
>>  >> simply: the problem with MS is not IE 6, the problem is that there is 
>> >> no IE 7 (or 6.5 at least)
>>
>>No, the problem _is_ with IE 6.0 too. It's implementation of web standards 
>>shows major holes, and require IE-specific workarounds by website 
>>developers. It can be bloody hard to design a website with HTML and CSS, 
>>and make it look exactly the same in Mozilla and IE.
>
>you misunderstand me. Of course that IE 6 has holes in its implementation 
>of standards in comparsion with today's browsers like Mozilla 1.5 or Opera 
>7. But on the end of August 2001 (that's 9 months before Mozilla 1.0) when 
>it was released it was probably the most standard compliant browser (except 
>of some Mozilla's betas (including NN6) which started to be usable but 
>still full of glitches). And IE 6 was really significant step towards 
>standards as it introduced so called "standard mode" to which you can 
>switch the rendering engine using DOCTYPE. That's really big difference 
>against IE 5.0/5.5.
>
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Re: [Dev-C++] OT: MS IE

[Michal M. <mol...@se...>]

Arnout Standaert wrote:
> Daniel Glenfield wrote:
>  >> simply: the problem with MS is not IE 6, the problem is that there 
> is >> no IE 7 (or 6.5 at least)
> 
> No, the problem _is_ with IE 6.0 too. It's implementation of web 
> standards shows major holes, and require IE-specific workarounds by 
> website developers. It can be bloody hard to design a website with HTML 
> and CSS, and make it look exactly the same in Mozilla and IE.

you misunderstand me. Of course that IE 6 has holes in its implementation of 
standards in comparsion with today's browsers like Mozilla 1.5 or Opera 7. 
But on the end of August 2001 (that's 9 months before Mozilla 1.0) when it 
was released it was probably the most standard compliant browser (except of 
some Mozilla's betas (including NN6) which started to be usable but still 
full of glitches). And IE 6 was really significant step towards standards as 
it introduced so called "standard mode" to which you can switch the 
rendering engine using DOCTYPE. That's really big difference against IE 
5.0/5.5.

Re: [Dev-C++] OT: MS IE

[Alvin T. <al...@th...>]

the plural form of 'virus' is 'virus'. :P

-alvin

On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 13:07, Per Westermark wrote:
> "Viruses are irrelevant. 'Hackers' are irrelevant. We are secure. All tha=
t
> we create is secure... Error detected: we have assimilated Microsoft"
>  - The Borg.
>=20
> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, OROSZI Bal=E1zs wrote:
>=20
> > Arnout Standaert wrote:
> > >  >> simply: the problem with MS is not IE 6, the problem is that ther=
e
> > > is >> no IE 7 (or 6.5 at least)
> > >
> > > No, the problem _is_ with IE 6.0 too. It's implementation of web
> > > standards shows major holes, and require IE-specific workarounds by
> > > website developers. It can be bloody hard to design a website with HT=
ML
> > > and CSS, and make it look exactly the same in Mozilla and IE.
> >
> > I have to second that, as I HAVE made a webpage to be compatible with
> > both browser, AND even with Konqueror 2 (KDE 2's browser), and I must
> > tell you: it WAS hard. The most problems probably were with default
> > values (CSS), as some used this as default, so it looked good on them,
> > but the other needed explicit specification, otherwise it screwed up, s=
o...
> >
> > The MAIN problem is, however, I think is javascript. Just look at ANY
> > javascript code on the net: they most likely have
> > if (IE) {...}
> > if (NS) {...}
> > ...
> > so that's also a headache.
> >
> > I think it won't change for some time. Not as long as MS decides to be
> > as standards-incompatible as possible. Just look at Kerberos. Those ver=
y
> > useful MS "extensions" as they call it, do nothing more than forcing
> > developers to use and buy the MS version - as consumers use MS mostly.
> >
> > Oh, and one last thing: there is no such thing: "MS innovation". MS onl=
y
> > bought things, even DOS was bought. Whoever counts as a "threat" to MS
> > is usually bought by MS (assimilation). OpenSource luckily prevents
> > this: that's why I like it the most.
> >
> > --
> > Greetings,
> >    Bal=E1zs
> >
> >
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Re: [Dev-C++] OT: MS IE

[Per W. <pw...@ia...>]

"Viruses are irrelevant. 'Hackers' are irrelevant. We are secure. All that
we create is secure... Error detected: we have assimilated Microsoft"
 - The Borg.

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, OROSZI Bal=E1zs wrote:

> Arnout Standaert wrote:
> >  >> simply: the problem with MS is not IE 6, the problem is that there
> > is >> no IE 7 (or 6.5 at least)
> >
> > No, the problem _is_ with IE 6.0 too. It's implementation of web
> > standards shows major holes, and require IE-specific workarounds by
> > website developers. It can be bloody hard to design a website with HTML
> > and CSS, and make it look exactly the same in Mozilla and IE.
>
> I have to second that, as I HAVE made a webpage to be compatible with
> both browser, AND even with Konqueror 2 (KDE 2's browser), and I must
> tell you: it WAS hard. The most problems probably were with default
> values (CSS), as some used this as default, so it looked good on them,
> but the other needed explicit specification, otherwise it screwed up, so.=
=2E.
>
> The MAIN problem is, however, I think is javascript. Just look at ANY
> javascript code on the net: they most likely have
> if (IE) {...}
> if (NS) {...}
> ...
> so that's also a headache.
>
> I think it won't change for some time. Not as long as MS decides to be
> as standards-incompatible as possible. Just look at Kerberos. Those very
> useful MS "extensions" as they call it, do nothing more than forcing
> developers to use and buy the MS version - as consumers use MS mostly.
>
> Oh, and one last thing: there is no such thing: "MS innovation". MS only
> bought things, even DOS was bought. Whoever counts as a "threat" to MS
> is usually bought by MS (assimilation). OpenSource luckily prevents
> this: that's why I like it the most.
>
> --
> Greetings,
>    Bal=E1zs
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Dev-C++] OT: MS IE

[<or...@vp...>]

Arnout Standaert wrote:
>  >> simply: the problem with MS is not IE 6, the problem is that there 
> is >> no IE 7 (or 6.5 at least)
> 
> No, the problem _is_ with IE 6.0 too. It's implementation of web 
> standards shows major holes, and require IE-specific workarounds by 
> website developers. It can be bloody hard to design a website with HTML 
> and CSS, and make it look exactly the same in Mozilla and IE.

I have to second that, as I HAVE made a webpage to be compatible with 
both browser, AND even with Konqueror 2 (KDE 2's browser), and I must 
tell you: it WAS hard. The most problems probably were with default 
values (CSS), as some used this as default, so it looked good on them, 
but the other needed explicit specification, otherwise it screwed up, so...

The MAIN problem is, however, I think is javascript. Just look at ANY 
javascript code on the net: they most likely have
if (IE) {...}
if (NS) {...}
...
so that's also a headache.

I think it won't change for some time. Not as long as MS decides to be 
as standards-incompatible as possible. Just look at Kerberos. Those very 
useful MS "extensions" as they call it, do nothing more than forcing 
developers to use and buy the MS version - as consumers use MS mostly.

Oh, and one last thing: there is no such thing: "MS innovation". MS only 
bought things, even DOS was bought. Whoever counts as a "threat" to MS 
is usually bought by MS (assimilation). OpenSource luckily prevents 
this: that's why I like it the most.

--
Greetings,
   Balázs

Re: [Dev-C++] OT: MS IE

[Arnout S. <arn...@ci...>]

Daniel Glenfield wrote:

 > Perhaps we should just make an eXtensible HTML browser as popular as
 > IE and force web designers to use a standard, syntax-enforcing way of
 > doing websites.


It's already been made: Mozilla. It aims to follow web standards as 
published by the W3C and nothing but the standards.

The impossible part is getting as popular as IE, since most users don't 
bother to replace the browser that came preinstalled on their computer 
with something better.

 >> simply: the problem with MS is not IE 6, the problem is that there 
is >> no IE 7 (or 6.5 at least)


No, the problem _is_ with IE 6.0 too. It's implementation of web 
standards shows major holes, and require IE-specific workarounds by 
website developers. It can be bloody hard to design a website with HTML 
and CSS, and make it look exactly the same in Mozilla and IE.

Just my 2 cents,
Arnout

Re: [Dev-C++] News from devpaks repository

[Alvin T. <al...@th...>]

Wash U! go, Bears! don't tell me they gave up their java curriculum
already? you guys actually use dev-cpp? you're not total MS sellouts
like Cornell, et al, yet?

don't .NET and the newer j2ee-compliant app servers provide all of this
functionality? what are the advantages of the ACE system over these
well-established systems? also, leave it to college professors to create
a system without giving any thought to security/authentication. not very
useful in the real world without it...

-alvin

On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 23:49, David McKen wrote:
> Would anyone be interested in a dev-pak of the ACE Frameworks
> library?
> 
> I use it currently and wouldn't mind maintaing a dev-pak for it. The
> problem is it is quite big. Check out
> http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE.html to see what ACE is.
> 
> The other library I woudn't mind creating and maintaing a dev-pak for
> is the GMP Big number library. My main problem with this is it is
> highly customized to the machine it is being compiled on in an
> attempt to make it as fast as possible. These dev-paks being windows
> based the most I could probably assume is that you have at least a
> 486. I would rather not have to fall back to the generic C code. Any
> suggestions would be helpful.
> 
> Signed
> David McKen
> 
> --- OROSZI_Balzs <or...@vp...> wrote:
> > Michal Molhanec wrote:
> > > =*= Some IE users complain that they sometimes (or even always)
> > >     get blank page instead of valid page :-(
> > >     If you guess why :-) send me please info!
> > 
> > I KNOW why: IE is not capable of displaying valid HTML code :D
> > Workaround: download and use Mozilla instead.
> > 
> > BTW, great to hear about the site. It seems things are really
> > starting 
> > up now.
> > 
> > --
> > Greetings,
> >    Balzs
> 
> =====
> Signed 
> David Mcken
> 
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