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[CK-Ledger-users] phpGroupWare 0.9.16.002 Security Fix Release

[Dave H. <ph...@sk...>]

Hi all,

All phpGroupWare versions earlier than 0.9.16.002 set header admin and
setup passwords as plain text cookies. This release fixes this security
problem.

The project considers the potential to exploit this flaw to be
relatively minor.

Latest version are available at http://download.phpgroupware.org/now

All users are encouraged to upgrade asap

Cheers

Dave Hall (aka skwashd)
on behalf of the The phpGroupWare Crew

[CK-Ledger-users] Directly editing data in the CK MySQL tables?

[Tony C. <ton...@bt...>]

=20
Hello.=20
=20
I'm thinking of using CK-ERP for my new business, but I'm not sure how
easily it will integrate into my (planned) invoicing process.
=20
I will charge my customers a very small fee each time they use my
service. It doesn't make sense to invoice for each transaction, so I'll
keep track of the transactions in my own MySQL table - and only invoice
for the total amount after each 30 day period. (I'll also defer the
invoicing process a few times, if the customer owes less than =A35).
=20
1) Is is okay for my invoicing script (Perl) to directly add invoices
into the relevant CK-ERP table? I haven't installed CK-Ledger yet,
because I'm waiting for CK-ERP (due in a week or two, right? :)). Can I
assume that it will be easy to set things up in this way? Will I break
anything in CK-ERP, if I enter transactions directly into the MySQL
tables without telling CK-ERP about it? Do others do this kind of thing?

=20
2) And what happens to an invoice once it has been entered into CK-ERP?
Is there a "Print Invoice" function, for example? Can CK-ERP
automatically issue reminders, if the invoice goes unpaid? (I'm planning
to extend the Perl script so it handles these functions, but if CK-ERP
does similar things, then I should obviously wait!) =20
=20
3) Does it make sense for me to post a single transaction against the CK
tables - which summarises all the transactions by a customer over the
last 30 days? Or... should I be entering each small transaction into the
CK tables as it is done by the customer, and then enter the invoice as a
special record?
=20
4) How is an invoice even implemented in CK-ERP/Ledger? What module
handles invoicing, if any?
=20
Thank you!!!
=20
Tony
=20
Ps. I assume CK-ERP will still run on MySQL???
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20

[CK-Ledger-users] Directly editing data in the CK-Ledger/ERP tables?

[Tony C. <ton...@bt...>]

Hello.=20
=20
I'm thinking of using CK-ERP for my new business, but I'm not sure how
easily it will integrate into my (planned) invoicing process.
=20
I will charge my customers a very small fee each time they use my
service. It doesn't make sense to invoice for each transaction, so I
will keep track of the transactions in my own MySQL table - and only
invoice for the total amount after each 30 day period. (I will also
defer the invoicing process a few times, if the customer owes less than
=A35).
=20
Is is okay for my invoicing script (Perl) to directly add invoices into
the relevant CK-ERP table? I haven't installed CK-Ledger yet, because
I'm waiting for CK-ERP (due in a week or two, right? :)). Can I assume
that it will be easy to set things up in this way? Will I break anything
in CK-ERP, if I enter transactions directly into the MySQL tables? Do
others do this kind of thing?
=20
And what happens to an invoice once it has been entered into CK-ERP? Is
there a "Print Invoice" function, for example? Can CK-ERP automatically
issue reminders, if the invoice goes unpaid? (I'm planning to extend the
Perl script so it handles these functions, but if CK-ERP does similar
things, then I should obviously wait!)
=20
Actually, how is an invoice even implemented in CK-ERP/Ledger? What
module handles invoicing, if any?
=20
Thank you!!!
=20
Tony
=20
Ps. I assume CK-ERP will still run on MySQL???
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20

[CK-Ledger-users] Directly modifying the CK-Ledger/ERP tables?

[Tony C. <ton...@bt...>]

Hello.=20
=20
I'm thinking of using CK-ERP for my new business, but I'm not sure how
easily it will integrate into my (planned) invoicing process.
=20
I will charge my customers a very small fee each time they use my
service. It doesn't make sense to invoice for each transaction, so I
will keep track of the transactions in my own MySQL table - and only
invoice for the total amount after each 30 day period. (I will also
defer the invoicing process a few times, if the customer owes less than
=A35).
=20
Is is okay for my invoicing script (Perl) to directly add invoices into
the relevant CK-ERP table? I haven't installed CK-Ledger yet, because
I'm waiting for CK-ERP (due in a week or two, right? :)). Can I assume
that it will be easy to set things up in this way? Will I break anything
in CK-ERP, if I enter transactions directly into the MySQL tables? Do
others do this kind of thing?
=20
And what happens to an invoice once it has been entered into CK-ERP? Is
there a "Print Invoice" function, for example? Can CK-ERP automatically
issue reminders, if the invoice goes unpaid? (I'm planning to extend the
Perl script so it handles these functions, but if CK-ERP does similar
things, then I should obviously wait!)
=20
Actually, how is an invoice even implemented in CK-ERP/Ledger? What
module handles invoicing, if any?
=20
Thank you!!!
=20
Tony
=20
Ps. I assume CK-ERP will still run on MySQL???
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20

[CK-Ledger-users] Re: [Phpgroupware-users] FunkWerk?

[<chi...@ya...>]

Marco Gaiarin wrote:

> The new 16.001 have some problem with the patchwork
app of the funkwerk
> project, but updating with cvs upgrade nothing.
>
> funkwerk is dead?
>
>
> I've also looked ad ck-ledger, and also this seems
that are using the
> .14.00X version... dead this also?
>
>  
>

Well, CK-Ledger as such is indeed going to die, but
its next incarnation, CK-ERP,
is going to take over.   I am working on the Chinese
translation of the lang phrases
for the first release of CK-ERP, which is targetted to
be available before the end of July.
Unfortunately, I have completed the overall system
test before 0.9.16.001 was released.
But, as far as I can tell, the new code should work
happily within a 0.9.16.001 environment.

Cheers,
CK

PS - My ISP's smtp server got blacklisted, so my
emails have to be sent via a yahoo mail account
temporarily.


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[CK-Ledger-users] phpGroupWare 0.9.16.001 - bug fix release - is out!

[Dave H. <ph...@sk...>]

Hi all,

Just a quick email to let you know that, 0.9.16.001 is out and ready for
downloading.

The 0.9.16.001 release includes:
* many fixes to the contacts backend
* improved LDAP support
* register_globals = off fixes
* over 200 other bugs fixed

0.9.16.001 is likely to be the last 16 branch release, as most of the
development effort moves to 0.9.18 which we hope will be released by the
end of the year.

The release is available at download.phpgroupware.org/now.

Cheers

Dave Hall (aka skwashd)
on behalf of the phpGroupWare Crew

[CK-Ledger-users] Re: Whats up with CK ERP?

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hi, Fevzi,

Thank you for maintaining interest in CK-ERP.

Yes.  I am falling into the usuall trap of software
development delay.  However, things are looking
better now.  I am hoping to deliver the first release
of CK-ERP before the end of July.

One of the major issues with CK-Ledger was
that it works very much on its own without integrating
with the underlying phpgw.  Since phpgw 0.9.16 now
carries a much improved addressbook, the plan is to
have CK-ERP making better use of the addressbook data.
This is where I got stuck for a long time.  However, I am
now able to import both organization and person data
from the new addressbook, so a new ck-contact module
is in the making.

Cheers,
CK

PS - I am forwarding this reply to ck-...@li...  ,
so others are aware of current development.

fe...@fe... wrote:

> Whats up with CK ERP?
>
> its been two months
>
>  
>
>  :))))
>
> kidding...
>
> just a coincidence that i remembered about it and checked my previous mail
>
>  But really wondering whats up with that...
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "C K Wu" <ck...@ch... <mailto:ck...@ch...>>
>
> To: <fev...@fe... <mailto:fev...@fe...>>
>
> Cc: "lmy" <lmy...@us... 
> <mailto:lmy...@us...>>; 
> <ck-...@li... 
> <mailto:ck-...@li...>>
>
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 5:15 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Re: CK-Ledger
>
>  
>
>> Hello, Fevzi,
>>
>> Thank you for your interest in CK-Ledger.
>>
>> Q.1        Yes.
>> Actually, for cross-checking purpose, my development
>> environment currently has both CK-ERP  (beta) and
>> CK-Ledger 0.7.3, running happily on top of phpGW 0.9.16 .
>>
>> Q.2        one to two months' time.
>> However, if you are planning to utilize CK-Ledger 0.7.3
>> in any way other than testing or trial, I'll suggest you hold
>> off until the formal release of CK-ERP, since the data
>> structure of CK-Ledger and CK-ERP is not going to be
>> totally compatible.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> CK
>>
>> fev...@fe... <mailto:fev...@fe...> wrote:
>>
>> >Hello,
>> >Does the CKLedger version 073 comply with PHPGWversion 9.16?
>> >
>> >When do u plan to submit an ERP file?
>> >
>> >Fevzi
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Re: CK-Ledger

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, Fevzi,

Thank you for your interest in CK-Ledger.

Q.1        Yes.
Actually, for cross-checking purpose, my development
environment currently has both CK-ERP  (beta) and
CK-Ledger 0.7.3, running happily on top of phpGW 0.9.16 .

Q.2        one to two months' time.
However, if you are planning to utilize CK-Ledger 0.7.3
in any way other than testing or trial, I'll suggest you hold
off until the formal release of CK-ERP, since the data
structure of CK-Ledger and CK-ERP is not going to be
totally compatible.

Cheers,
CK

fev...@fe... wrote:

>Hello,
>Does the CKLedger version 073 comply with PHPGWversion 9.16?
>
>When do u plan to submit an ERP file?
>
>Fevzi
>
>  
>

Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Re: CK-Ledger

[<fev...@fe...>]

Hello,
Does the CKLedger version 073 comply with PHPGWversion 9.16?

When do u plan to submit an ERP file?

Fevzi



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C K Wu" <ck...@ch...>
To: "lmy" <lmy...@us...>
Cc: <ck-...@li...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:36 AM
Subject: [CK-Ledger-users] Re: CK-Ledger


> Hello, Leon,
> 
> Thank you for your interest in CK-Ledger.  The answer to your queries is 
> listed inline below.  Please also read the passage at the very end of 
> this email.  The passage carries very important information on the 
> future of the project itself.
> 
> lmy wrote:
> 
> >Dear Wu, Chiu Kay,
> >
> >We are a design and consulting company from Brazil, and we 
> >
> >are most interested in your product, CK-Ledger (by the way, 
> >
> >congratulations).
> >
> >We would like some information, if you please:
> >
> >1 - how difficult could be to translate it to portuguese? (wich 
> >
> >files, and how-to)
> >
> Pretty easy.  All CK-Ledger modules are i18n ready.  To create Portugese 
> GUI for any module, you only need to produce a phpgw_pt.lang file (using 
> the appropriate phpgw_en.lang file as a template) and put it inside the 
> [setup] subfolder within the target module.  Then activate the Portguese 
> language using phpgw's setup facility, if this had not been done 
> before.  Further, you don't even need an editor to manually produce the 
> phpgw_pt.lang file, there is a native [translation tools] module within 
> phpgw specially created to do just that.  I am using this tool myself to 
> produce Chinese translation for CK-Ledger, and the tool had pretty much 
> self explanatory screen displays.  However, to familiarise yourself with 
> the setup, you may like to review the files (and their content) located 
> inside the [setup] subfolder of the [ck-hr] module.
> 
> >
> >2 - do You have any help files for using it?
> >
> An installation manual is available within the [doc] subfolder of each 
> CK-Ledger module.  No other doc is available at the moment.  At the same 
> time, CK-Ledger is written with accountants as target end users.  If you 
> have an experienced accountant with you, it should be easy to setup, 
> admin and operate CK-Ledger.
> 
> >
> >3 - Would you be interested in add some particular features 
> >
> >for us?
> >  
> >
> Certainly.  However, there is already a long list of feature requests, 
> so any additional requests will have to wait for quite a long time to 
> get implemented.
> 
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Leon Myssior
> >
> >www.myssior.com.br
> >
> >le...@my...
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> Having said all that, I like to add that CK-Ledger is now being 
> substantially rewritten and will re-incarnate as a different project, 
> CK-ERP, which already had a separate project page at sourceforge.net.  
> The first release of CK-ERP is expected in one to two months' time.  And 
> yes, it will be GPL'ed .
> 
> Cheers,
> CK
> 
> PS - I am forwarding a copy of this reply to 
> ck-...@li..., so others are aware of current 
> development.
> 
> 
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[CK-Ledger-users] Re: CK-Ledger

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, Leon,

Thank you for your interest in CK-Ledger.  The answer to your queries is 
listed inline below.  Please also read the passage at the very end of 
this email.  The passage carries very important information on the 
future of the project itself.

lmy wrote:

>Dear Wu, Chiu Kay,
>
>We are a design and consulting company from Brazil, and we 
>
>are most interested in your product, CK-Ledger (by the way, 
>
>congratulations).
>
>We would like some information, if you please:
>
>1 - how difficult could be to translate it to portuguese? (wich 
>
>files, and how-to)
>
Pretty easy.  All CK-Ledger modules are i18n ready.  To create Portugese 
GUI for any module, you only need to produce a phpgw_pt.lang file (using 
the appropriate phpgw_en.lang file as a template) and put it inside the 
[setup] subfolder within the target module.  Then activate the Portguese 
language using phpgw's setup facility, if this had not been done 
before.  Further, you don't even need an editor to manually produce the 
phpgw_pt.lang file, there is a native [translation tools] module within 
phpgw specially created to do just that.  I am using this tool myself to 
produce Chinese translation for CK-Ledger, and the tool had pretty much 
self explanatory screen displays.  However, to familiarise yourself with 
the setup, you may like to review the files (and their content) located 
inside the [setup] subfolder of the [ck-hr] module.

>
>2 - do You have any help files for using it?
>
An installation manual is available within the [doc] subfolder of each 
CK-Ledger module.  No other doc is available at the moment.  At the same 
time, CK-Ledger is written with accountants as target end users.  If you 
have an experienced accountant with you, it should be easy to setup, 
admin and operate CK-Ledger.

>
>3 - Would you be interested in add some particular features 
>
>for us?
>  
>
Certainly.  However, there is already a long list of feature requests, 
so any additional requests will have to wait for quite a long time to 
get implemented.

>Thanks,
>
>Leon Myssior
>
>www.myssior.com.br
>
>le...@my...
>
>
>  
>
Having said all that, I like to add that CK-Ledger is now being 
substantially rewritten and will re-incarnate as a different project, 
CK-ERP, which already had a separate project page at sourceforge.net.  
The first release of CK-ERP is expected in one to two months' time.  And 
yes, it will be GPL'ed .

Cheers,
CK

PS - I am forwarding a copy of this reply to 
ck-...@li..., so others are aware of current 
development.

[CK-Ledger-users] Re: Application problem

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hi, James,

It is likely that you have not yet created/setup the required database 
tables.

Steps for such creation/setup are as follows,

==============================================
The best way to study xxxxxx is to follow the steps:
Admin/Setup -> 1 - Setup Data Tables
Admin/Setup -> 2 - Build Chart -> Default Chart
Admin/Setup -> 3 - Create Test Data
Play around with the various features. If stuck,
Admin/Setup -> 4 - Delete all Data
and repeat the process
===============================================

This passage is listed at the User/Administrator column of each
module's index page.  Btw, it is fairly important that you read
each module's index page in detail, since each page does include
very important detail warning messages.

Cheers,
CK

james wrote:

>Hi CK Wu
>Thanks for your help I could install all application ,but when I click on 
>quotation then I get this Error:
>Database error: Invalid Sql Select id , name FROM customer Order By name  
>MySql Error: 1146  Table ' phpgroupware.customer' doesn't exist.
>
>Could you tell how to fix this problem ?
>
>Thanks
>
>James
>
>
>  
>

Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Is CK Ledger 'multicompnay'?

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, Jan,

Thank you for checking out CK-Ledger.

The answer is yes.  However, this is not something native
to CK-Ledger, but rather utilizing the virtual domain feature of
phpgroupware.  More detail is available at 
http://ck-ledger.sourceforge.net. 
Just log into the demo CK-Ledger installation, go into the ledger admin
module and choose the 'Multiple Ledger' choice.

Cheers,
CK


Jan Stary wrote:

>Hello,
>
>during my search for ana ccounting SW a came accross
>CKL, which seems to be the winner. However, I have one
>question: is it possible to manage the finance etc of
>more than one company.
>
>I mean, our comoany has different 'branches' in different
>contries, doing business in different currencies, different
>tax systems, etc.
>
>Is this supported/customizable somehow?
>So that I can produce output accepted
>by the local financial authorities?
>
>	Thank you
>
>		Jan
>
>
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[CK-Ledger-users] Is CK Ledger 'multicompnay'?

[Jan S. <jst...@ar...>]

Hello,

during my search for ana ccounting SW a came accross
CKL, which seems to be the winner. However, I have one
question: is it possible to manage the finance etc of
more than one company.

I mean, our comoany has different 'branches' in different
contries, doing business in different currencies, different
tax systems, etc.

Is this supported/customizable somehow?
So that I can produce output accepted
by the local financial authorities?

	Thank you

		Jan

[CK-Ledger-users] phpGroupWare 0.9.16.000-1 released

[Dave H. <dav...@mb...>]

There were some problems with the original 0.9.16.000 tarballs.  To fix
this problem we have built new ones.  The filename of the download will
be phpgroupware-0.9.16.000-1.*

Please run a cvs update or grab a new tarball.

Thanks to all of you who pointed out the problems.

Cheers

The phpGroupWare Crew

[CK-Ledger-users] RE: Service Industry Module

[Steve G. <ckl...@gu...>]

CK,

Thanks for your perspective on this.  Yes, I suppose I am looking for a type of
job control, costing and billing functions.  However, in the context of our
business, we don't require the level of complexity in inventory management of
an engineering workshop. I'd describe it as a 'lite' version of this type of
system. I do understand the potential for inaccuracies with iventory control,
but I think the impact, at least for our business, will be minimal.

Our organization consists of many small shops. On site inventory is kept at
minimum levels for two basic reasons. 

     1. The sheer number of makes and models of consumer electronics and
frequent product updates makes stocking spare parts, other than generic items
like capacitors and resistors, unfeasible.  

     2. Due to the low replacement costs of mainstream consumer electronics,
major repairs for all but the most expensive items are often economically
unfeasible.

If an item is worth repairing and the customer consents, we order product
specific parts for the job and return any unused items. In this way, some of
the pitfalls of inventory control are avoided.

Managing and documenting the use of salvaged parts is a challenge. As you've
already guessed, it is quite common to use salvaged parts, especially in older
products where new spare parts are no longer available. How to handle this is
an age old problem in this industry (and others I'd suspect). Our current
system handles this by allowing the entry of "non-stock" line items to the job.
When invoiced, used parts are clearly identified. I'd think adding a non-stock
entry option in CK-Ledger would be possible. As far the liabilities of using
salvaged parts, we utilize a disclaimer statement that the customer signs when
dropping an item off.  This identifies that salvaged parts may be used in lieu
of new parts.

Thanks again for the feedback and guidance.  

Steve
  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hi, Steve,

 From the look of it, it is similar to the requirement of an engineering 
workshop, ie, job control, job costing and job billing.

While it is not too difficult to produce such a system, the accuracy of 
system generated data is very difficult to ensure. The following 
operational peculiarities are usually the culprit,

1. The use of spare parts locked down from an assembly with the 
lock-down process not being recorded by the system.
2. The use of parts savaged from damaged parts/assemblies inherited from 
previous service jobs. These damaged parts never got thru the system in 
the first place.
3. The swapping of good part/assembly against damaged part/assembly in a 
service job is not being recorded. Thus, the service job is underpriced 
with the retained damaged parts waiting to be written off in the spring 
cleanup.
4. In bigger shops, there is the problem of inaccurate demarcation among 
capital spares, spares for servicing and spares available for sale.

IMHO, the rectification of these problems requires very stringent 
assembly (lock-down) control with individual part serial number tracing 
similar to those in use in aircraft maintenance systems. None of these 
is available in CK-Ledger's inventory module. What I am saying, perhaps, 
is that you may have to be prepared to accept a certain degree of 
inaccuracy given the level of immaturity of inventory control provided 
by CK-Ledger.

Just my 2 c worth.

Cheers,
CK

PS - All these also affect servicing quality, ie, consumer complaint 
about repair shops utilizing refurbished parts instead of newly 
manufactured parts.

Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Request - user manual

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hi, Machi,

Thank you for checking out CK-Ledger.

There is no User Manual available at the moment.
However, the software is written with a view to
minimize the need of a User Manual. Having said
that, it is also true that CK-Ledger is designed
to be used by accountants. Therefore, you would need
to be fairly well grounded in accounting practices
before you find it easy going with CK-Ledger.

Back in Dec/2003, I had made an hour-long presentation
on CK-Ledger to a HKLUG audience. If Cantonese is not a problem
for you, you may get a bit more information by reviewing
the video recording of the presentation. I can't remember
the URL for the video files now, but if you google search
on CK-Ledger + HKLUG, you should be able to locate the
relevant weblink. At the same time, I haven't produce
any slide for the presentation.

If you simply want to test drive CK-Ledger, there is a standard
passage at each module's index page, detailing how to generate
the test data set for you to start the testing.

Cheers,
CK


Machi Ma wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Is it have any user manual let me to download it.  I don't know how to use
>it about I install it.
>
>Best Wish
>Machi Ma
>
>
>
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[CK-Ledger-users] phpGroupWare 0.9.16 final/ly released

[Dave H. <dav...@mb...>]

Hi all,

The final installment in the epic that was the 0.9.16 release cycle has
arrived. With more controversy than the Superbowl, more drama than The
Bill (see http://thebill.com), more delays than a NASA mission,
0.9.16.000 is officially released.

There are many people to thank, but here is a short list (in no
particular order):

    * ceb - for putting up with this "16 crap"
    * The coordination team for keeping things moving
    * Dan and Jengo for giving us phpGW in the first place
    * All the developers, translators, documenters and IRC junkies for
       contributing to the release
    * The testers for finding where we stuffed up
    * Our users for making it all worthwhile
    * Our partners, families, friends and pets for saving our sanity

Ok, back on track after the Oscar moment, you want to know what you get
for your bandwidth? Well .... you get:

    * A new and well tested contacts backend
    * New apps - fudforum, folders, phpbrain and javassh
    * Enhancements to many app - too many to list here
    * New/improved languages
    * New/enhanced templates 
      - probusiness(new), idots(improved and supported), desktop(beta)

Grab it now from the downloads section of our site -
http://phpgroupware.org/downloads

Note mirrors will be updated shortly

Thanks for you support and enjoy


The phpGroupWare crew

[CK-Ledger-users] Request - user manual

[Machi M. <ma...@ed...>]

Hi,

Is it have any user manual let me to download it.  I don't know how to use
it about I install it.

Best Wish
Machi Ma

Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Service Industry Module

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hi, Steve,

 From the look of it, it is similar to the requirement of an engineering=20
workshop, ie, job control, job costing and job billing.

While it is not too difficult to produce such a system, the accuracy of=20
system generated data is very difficult to ensure. The following=20
operational peculiarities are usually the culprit,

1. The use of spare parts locked down from an assembly with the=20
lock-down process not being recorded by the system.
2. The use of parts savaged from damaged parts/assemblies inherited from=20
previous service jobs. These damaged parts never got thru the system in=20
the first place.
3. The swapping of good part/assembly against damaged part/assembly in a=20
service job is not being recorded. Thus, the service job is underpriced=20
with the retained damaged parts waiting to be written off in the spring=20
cleanup.
4. In bigger shops, there is the problem of inaccurate demarcation among=20
capital spares, spares for servicing and spares available for sale.

IMHO, the rectification of these problems requires very stringent=20
assembly (lock-down) control with individual part serial number tracing=20
similar to those in use in aircraft maintenance systems. None of these=20
is available in CK-Ledger's inventory module. What I am saying, perhaps,=20
is that you may have to be prepared to accept a certain degree of=20
inaccuracy given the level of immaturity of inventory control provided=20
by CK-Ledger.

Just my 2 c worth.

Cheers,
CK

PS - All these also affect servicing quality, ie, consumer complaint=20
about repair shops utilizing refurbished parts instead of newly=20
manufactured parts.


Steve Gallaher wrote:

> Marc,
>
> That=92s a good question. Let me give you a somewhat brief description=20
> of what I=92m envisioning. Hopefully it explains what we after.
>
> Our company provides electronics repair services throughout New=20
> Zealand. When someone brings in an item such as a TV or DVD player for=20
> repair, we need to capture some additional information before we even=20
> start the work. We need somewhere to record what it is (TV, VCR, DVD,=20
> etc.), as well as the make, model, and serial number (for warranty=20
> work). Additionally, we need to enter what the reported problem with=20
> the item is. Once the =91job=92 and related information has been entere=
d=20
> into the system, we need to assign it to a technician for work. We=92d=20
> like the ability to assign new job to a technician and have the=20
> technician be able to log on to the system and see his queue of=20
> pending jobs. Then, while working, the technician may need to add some=20
> journal entries about what he is doing, as well as adding line items=20
> from inventory to the job as well as adding labour from services. When=20
> the work is finished, the technician can mark the job as =91completed=92=
=20
> and it would then show up in the queue for the manager to review and=20
> invoice. I=92d imagine there would be a function to convert the service=
=20
> job into an invoice, kind of like how CK-Ledger handles converting a=20
> Sales Order into an invoice.
>
> This service job work model would also be applicable to most any=20
> industry that performs repairs or diagnostic maintenance services=20
> (such as auto mechanics, plumbers, or PC repairs).
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
> From: "Marc Lutolf" <mf...@ne...>
>
> To: <ck-...@li...>
>
> Subject: RE: [CK-Ledger-users] Issuing refund / credit
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:11:50 +0100
>
> Hello,
>
> I use the Xaraya version of CK-Ledger in a service industry setting=20
> (hosting and software services). What more do you need that isn't=20
> provided by the services module?
>
> Marc
>

[CK-Ledger-users] Service Industry Module

[Steve G. <ste...@gu...>]

Marc,
 
That's a good question.  Let me give you a somewhat brief description of
what I'm envisioning.  Hopefully it explains what we after.
 
Our company provides electronics repair services throughout New Zealand.
When someone brings in an item such as a TV or DVD player for repair, we
need to capture some additional information before we even start the
work.  We need somewhere to record what it is (TV, VCR, DVD, etc.), as
well as the make, model, and serial number (for warranty work).
Additionally, we need to enter what the reported problem with the item
is.  Once the 'job' and related information has been entered into the
system, we need to assign it to a technician for work.  We'd like the
ability to assign new job to a technician and have the technician be
able to log on to the system and see his queue of pending jobs.  Then,
while working, the technician may need to add some journal entries about
what he is doing, as well as adding line items from inventory to the job
as well as adding labour from services.   When the work is finished, the
technician can mark the job as 'completed' and it would then show up in
the queue for the manager to review and invoice.  I'd imagine there
would be a function to convert the service job into an invoice, kind of
like how CK-Ledger handles converting a Sales Order into an invoice.   
 
This service job work model would also be applicable to most any
industry that performs repairs or diagnostic maintenance services (such
as auto mechanics, plumbers, or PC repairs).
 
 
Regards,
 
Steve
 
 
From: "Marc Lutolf" <mf...@ne...>
To: <ck-...@li...>
Subject: RE: [CK-Ledger-users] Issuing refund / credit
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:11:50 +0100
 
Hello,
 
I use the Xaraya version of CK-Ledger in a service industry setting
(hosting and software services). What more do you need that isn't
provided by the services module?
 
Marc

RE: [CK-Ledger-users] Issuing refund / credit

[Marc L. <mf...@ne...>]

Hello,

I use the Xaraya version of CK-Ledger in a service industry setting (hosting
and software services). What more do you need that isn't provided by the
services module?

Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: ck-...@li...
[mailto:ck-...@li...]On Behalf Of C K Wu
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:37 PM
To: Steve Gallaher
Cc: ck-...@li...
Subject: Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Issuing refund / credit


Hello, Steve,

Steve Gallaher wrote:

>Thanks C K
>
>Adding credit notes to the menu would be a great help for our end-users.
>As far as managing issuing credit notes, I was thinking perhaps it could
>be a separate module that would be limited to authorized managers (like
>the POS-Manager module).  Still need a strong policy for refunds /
>credit notes, but it would limit who could issue them. Of course, the
>process you suggested will work out fine for our needs until that can be
>investigated further.
>
>On another note, Yes, I am in New Zealand (however, I'm actually an
>American).  So far it appears CK can be easily adapted to fit NZ
>accounting standards with just a few changes to data rather than major
>programming modifications.  The main differences are in terminology and
>GL heading and A/Cs.  The biggest challenge I'll have is developing the
>ability to generate reports that follow Government standards for GST and
>payroll taxes.  I am interested in developing an industry specific
>module for an electronics repair & service business.  If anyone is
>currently working on a module specific to a service industry, I'd be
>interested in chatting.
>

I am not sure if a service industry module is in the making.
Perhaps other list members may like to respond to your call.
At the same time, you are most welcome to send in your
module code for incorporation into the main CK-Ledger
codebase if you so incline to.

Cheers,
CK

>Regards,
>
>Steve Gallaher
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: C K Wu [mailto:ck...@ch...]
>Sent: Wednesday, 25 February 2004 4:11 a.m.
>To: Steve Gallaher
>Cc: ck-...@li...
>Subject: Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Issuing refund / credit
>
>Hello, Steve,
>
>Thank you for checking out CK-Ledger.
>
>At the moment, CK-Ledger does not carry specific feature for
>issuing a refund or credit note. However, refund or credit notes
>can be generated readily as invoices with -ve amounts. You could
>also utilize the standard invoice remark to add a sentence indicating
>that the subject invoice is in fact a credit note. If I got the time,
>I'll
>add a menu choice for the production of credit notes.
>
>One thing though, refund is one of the area that most auditors will
>dig into to check for fraud or sloppy accounting control. Since it is
>fairly difficult to implement a generic computerised check to ensure
>an organisation's refund policy is being adhered to, you may need
>to implement rather stringent manual control over the processing of
>refunds.
>
>Btw, I notice your mail originates from New Zealand. Just as
>a matter of interest, could you indicate if the current CK-Ledger setup
>meets New Zealand requirements or if enhancements need to be added.
>
>Cheers,
>CK
>
>
>




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Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Issuing refund / credit

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, Steve,

Steve Gallaher wrote:

>Thanks C K
>
>Adding credit notes to the menu would be a great help for our end-users.
>As far as managing issuing credit notes, I was thinking perhaps it could
>be a separate module that would be limited to authorized managers (like
>the POS-Manager module).  Still need a strong policy for refunds /
>credit notes, but it would limit who could issue them. Of course, the
>process you suggested will work out fine for our needs until that can be
>investigated further.
>
>On another note, Yes, I am in New Zealand (however, I'm actually an
>American).  So far it appears CK can be easily adapted to fit NZ
>accounting standards with just a few changes to data rather than major
>programming modifications.  The main differences are in terminology and
>GL heading and A/Cs.  The biggest challenge I'll have is developing the
>ability to generate reports that follow Government standards for GST and
>payroll taxes.  I am interested in developing an industry specific
>module for an electronics repair & service business.  If anyone is
>currently working on a module specific to a service industry, I'd be
>interested in chatting.
>

I am not sure if a service industry module is in the making.
Perhaps other list members may like to respond to your call.
At the same time, you are most welcome to send in your
module code for incorporation into the main CK-Ledger
codebase if you so incline to.

Cheers,
CK

>Regards,
>
>Steve Gallaher
>
>    
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: C K Wu [mailto:ck...@ch...] 
>Sent: Wednesday, 25 February 2004 4:11 a.m.
>To: Steve Gallaher
>Cc: ck-...@li...
>Subject: Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Issuing refund / credit
>
>Hello, Steve,
>
>Thank you for checking out CK-Ledger.
>
>At the moment, CK-Ledger does not carry specific feature for
>issuing a refund or credit note. However, refund or credit notes
>can be generated readily as invoices with -ve amounts. You could
>also utilize the standard invoice remark to add a sentence indicating
>that the subject invoice is in fact a credit note. If I got the time,
>I'll
>add a menu choice for the production of credit notes.
>
>One thing though, refund is one of the area that most auditors will
>dig into to check for fraud or sloppy accounting control. Since it is
>fairly difficult to implement a generic computerised check to ensure
>an organisation's refund policy is being adhered to, you may need
>to implement rather stringent manual control over the processing of
>refunds.
>
>Btw, I notice your mail originates from New Zealand. Just as
>a matter of interest, could you indicate if the current CK-Ledger setup
>meets New Zealand requirements or if enhancements need to be added.
>
>Cheers,
>CK
>
>  
>

RE: [CK-Ledger-users] Issuing refund / credit

[Steve G. <ste...@gu...>]

Thanks C K

Adding credit notes to the menu would be a great help for our end-users.
As far as managing issuing credit notes, I was thinking perhaps it could
be a separate module that would be limited to authorized managers (like
the POS-Manager module).  Still need a strong policy for refunds /
credit notes, but it would limit who could issue them. Of course, the
process you suggested will work out fine for our needs until that can be
investigated further.

On another note, Yes, I am in New Zealand (however, I'm actually an
American).  So far it appears CK can be easily adapted to fit NZ
accounting standards with just a few changes to data rather than major
programming modifications.  The main differences are in terminology and
GL heading and A/Cs.  The biggest challenge I'll have is developing the
ability to generate reports that follow Government standards for GST and
payroll taxes.  I am interested in developing an industry specific
module for an electronics repair & service business.  If anyone is
currently working on a module specific to a service industry, I'd be
interested in chatting.

Regards,

Steve Gallaher

    

-----Original Message-----
From: C K Wu [mailto:ck...@ch...] 
Sent: Wednesday, 25 February 2004 4:11 a.m.
To: Steve Gallaher
Cc: ck-...@li...
Subject: Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Issuing refund / credit

Hello, Steve,

Thank you for checking out CK-Ledger.

At the moment, CK-Ledger does not carry specific feature for
issuing a refund or credit note. However, refund or credit notes
can be generated readily as invoices with -ve amounts. You could
also utilize the standard invoice remark to add a sentence indicating
that the subject invoice is in fact a credit note. If I got the time,
I'll
add a menu choice for the production of credit notes.

One thing though, refund is one of the area that most auditors will
dig into to check for fraud or sloppy accounting control. Since it is
fairly difficult to implement a generic computerised check to ensure
an organisation's refund policy is being adhered to, you may need
to implement rather stringent manual control over the processing of
refunds.

Btw, I notice your mail originates from New Zealand. Just as
a matter of interest, could you indicate if the current CK-Ledger setup
meets New Zealand requirements or if enhancements need to be added.

Cheers,
CK


Steve Gallaher wrote:

>I've been working with CK-Ledger for the past month or so and I've been
very 
>impressed!!
>
>I'd like to know if there is a process in CK to issue a refund or
credit back 
>to a client and add the transaction to the GL.  I haven't quite worked
out 
>what to do if a customer disputes a charge or returns an item.  
>
>Guidance on this is appreciated.
>
>Steve Gallaher
>
>
>
>
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Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Issuing refund / credit

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, Steve,

Thank you for checking out CK-Ledger.

At the moment, CK-Ledger does not carry specific feature for
issuing a refund or credit note. However, refund or credit notes
can be generated readily as invoices with -ve amounts. You could
also utilize the standard invoice remark to add a sentence indicating
that the subject invoice is in fact a credit note. If I got the time, I'l=
l
add a menu choice for the production of credit notes.

One thing though, refund is one of the area that most auditors will
dig into to check for fraud or sloppy accounting control. Since it is
fairly difficult to implement a generic computerised check to ensure
an organisation's refund policy is being adhered to, you may need
to implement rather stringent manual control over the processing of refun=
ds.

Btw, I notice your mail originates from New Zealand. Just as
a matter of interest, could you indicate if the current CK-Ledger setup
meets New Zealand requirements or if enhancements need to be added.

Cheers,
CK


Steve Gallaher wrote:

>I=92ve been working with CK-Ledger for the past month or so and I=92ve b=
een very=20
>impressed!!
>
>I=92d like to know if there is a process in CK to issue a refund or cred=
it back=20
>to a client and add the transaction to the GL.  I haven=92t quite worked=
 out=20
>what to do if a customer disputes a charge or returns an item. =20
>
>Guidance on this is appreciated.
>
>Steve Gallaher
>
>
>
>
>
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[CK-Ledger-users] Issuing refund / credit

[Steve G. <ckl...@gu...>]

I’ve been working with CK-Ledger for the past month or so and I’ve been very 
impressed!!

I’d like to know if there is a process in CK to issue a refund or credit back 
to a client and add the transaction to the GL.  I haven’t quite worked out 
what to do if a customer disputes a charge or returns an item.  

Guidance on this is appreciated.

Steve Gallaher