Re: [Celestia-developers] open letter

[Selden E B. Jr <se...@co...>]

Christophe,

I think I must not know what you mean by "unfounded remarks".
Do you mean the same as "unjustified remarks"?

So far as I'm concerned *all* disrespectful remarks about anyone,
newcomer or not, provoked or not, are unjustified and cannot be 
permitted on the Celestia Forum. Following the lead of someone else 
who is making disparaging remarks is just as bad. In the past, 
I've been lenient and hoping that my example of patience and civility
would be enough. I've finally admitted to myself that it isn't enough 
and have decided to try to be more active in discouraging 
inappropriate behavior.

Of course, I cannot watch the Forum all of the time, so some, perhaps
even many, posts will be made that violate the guidelines and won't 
be noticed for a while. That is not an excuse for others to 
so something similar. Each individual is responsible for what he writes.

My attitude about this is not going to change.

Selden

> Le 18 avr. 09 à 12:22, Selden E Ball Jr a écrit :

> > Christophe,
> >
> > There is, of course, your rather mild comment in the thread which
> > precipitated my upset. (The overall thread is what was the final straw
> > for me, not that particular comment.)

> What are you talking about? I've been react AFTER your own decision of
> banning people whoever they are. Could you explain me?

> > A somewhat more serious one is in your post at
> > http://shatters.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13100&p=109544#p109544
> > where you LOL'd at Fridger's remark, thus expressing your approval and
> > reinforcing the remark. I commented on it at the time.  I'm sure I can
> > find some more examples with additional searches, but I'd rather not.

> You are kidding right? Of course my LOL was both because the ironic
> tone of Fridger was funny and well on purpose but also to reinforce
> the idea. BUT this is not what you the kind of situation you where
> referring earlier.
> I repeat UNFOUNDED remarks. Show me only one UNFOUNDED remarks!

> > Your positive contributions have been *far* greater than your negative
> > ones. Unfortunately, however, people's negative comments are
> > remembered by people reading the Forum (including myself). Along with
> > making newcomers feel unwelcome, they set a background feeling of
> > distaste which is certainly not what I want people to associate with
> > Celestia.

> The problem is that I've reclaiming better structuring and
> administration of the forum till YEARS and instead of taking YOUR
> responsibilities (ChrisL and by extension you because seems you cannot
> take a decision on your own)  for the degradation of the forum you
> charge the situation on others. SORRY I WON'T accept that.

> > As I implied previously, I have no problems with your continuing to
> > participate in the forum.

> Stop it I don't care about your view, you are again implying that I/we
> are the cause of the problem AND THIS IS NOT TRUE.

> > I will be trying to be more agressive in
> > enforcing the guidelines, but that would not aimed at you
> > specifically.

> There is no need of aggressive moderation or else. What is needed is
> common sense and good administration.


> > Selden
> >
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