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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2006-06-16 11:36:07
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One other thing - in both pigeonholes and short answer tests, you should be able to return feedback with a mark - or any 'No Mark' message. Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Andrew Booth Sent: 16 June 2006 12:33 To: 'Bodington developers' Cc: Andrew Booth Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Another Urgent Request,Pigeonholes this time That's an important point - the punter should not be forced to enter any date as there are many occasions when you just want to gather in files without any time restriction. The same should be true for short answer papers as well. Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Peter Crowther Sent: 16 June 2006 12:27 To: Bodington developers Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Another Urgent Request,Pigeonholes this time > From: Jon Maber > I find that Im unable to create a pigeonhole! > > The error message is: You must enter valid dates in all three > date fields. > > Ive entered dates in all three boxes and what I assume is the right > format times in the three time boxes. What could be going wrong? Somebody else's merged code? What date and time formats are you using? And if you leave the times blank, does it work? - Peter _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2006-06-16 11:33:33
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That's an important point - the punter should not be forced to enter any date as there are many occasions when you just want to gather in files without any time restriction. The same should be true for short answer papers as well. Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Peter Crowther Sent: 16 June 2006 12:27 To: Bodington developers Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Another Urgent Request,Pigeonholes this time > From: Jon Maber > I find that Im unable to create a pigeonhole! > > The error message is: You must enter valid dates in all three > date fields. > > Ive entered dates in all three boxes and what I assume is the right > format times in the three time boxes. What could be going wrong? Somebody else's merged code? What date and time formats are you using? And if you leave the times blank, does it work? - Peter _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-06-16 11:26:57
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> From: Jon Maber > I find that Im unable to create a pigeonhole! >=20 > The error message is: You must enter valid dates in all three=20 > date fields. >=20 > Ive entered dates in all three boxes and what I assume is the right=20 > format times in the three time boxes. What could be going wrong? Somebody else's merged code? What date and time formats are you using? And if you leave the times blank, does it work? - Peter |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-06-16 11:23:55
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I find that Im unable to create a pigeonhole! The error message is: You must enter valid dates in all three date fields. Ive entered dates in all three boxes and what I assume is the right format times in the three time boxes. What could be going wrong? Jon |
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From: Colin T. <col...@ou...> - 2006-06-16 11:03:13
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Colin Tatham wrote: > Jon Maber wrote: >>The latter would be a quicker option for 2.8. Can you go ahead and do >>it? > > OK. Unless anyone has other ideas, I'll make QuickLinks, NewsFeeds, Image and Text blocks available > in *all* of buildings, floors, suites and plain rooms... About to commit this. Anyone have views on sensible order of listing resource types? I've shuffled a few and ended up with the following order in Suite: Suite of Rooms Plain Room EasyBuilder Group Communication Room Announcement NewsFeed Display Heading Text Block Image Link to External Web Site Quick Link (Internal or External) I haven't modified the rest of the list, which follows after a comment about Plain rooms: "These resources are documents and should be placed in a plain room but they can be placed in this suite of rooms." Logbook Skills Audit Structured Document Web Document Multiple Choice Question Paper Questionnaire Short Answer Paper Pigeon Hole Peer Marker -- ____________________________________ Colin Tatham VLE Team Oxford University Computing Services http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ http://bodington.org |
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From: Naomi M. <na...@sm...> - 2006-06-16 10:23:59
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Roger that. Makes all the sense in the world now. Ta, Matthew. On 16 Jun 2006, at 11:14, Matthew Buckett wrote: > Naomi Miles wrote: >> Is the event_code coupled with resource_id or something to give >> specific events? All Event subclasses have own event(s) and they all >> start at 1. I presume this is what ends up in Events table as >> event_code? Or am I missing something? > > Yep they will. > > The event_code relates to the class. Because the Bodington database > layer will give you back a AssessmentEvent or LogBookEvent the > enumeration of event_codes is local to the event subclass. > > Calling Event.getCode() without having cast the object first if you > are > getting all the events for a resource doesn't make sense. > > -- > -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer > -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services > -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-06-16 10:14:49
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Naomi Miles wrote: > Is the event_code coupled with resource_id or something to give > specific events? All Event subclasses have own event(s) and they all > start at 1. I presume this is what ends up in Events table as > event_code? Or am I missing something? Yep they will. The event_code relates to the class. Because the Bodington database layer will give you back a AssessmentEvent or LogBookEvent the enumeration of event_codes is local to the event subclass. Calling Event.getCode() without having cast the object first if you are getting all the events for a resource doesn't make sense. -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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From: Naomi M. <na...@sm...> - 2006-06-16 09:57:59
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Is the event_code coupled with resource_id or something to give specific events? All Event subclasses have own event(s) and they all start at 1. I presume this is what ends up in Events table as event_code? Or am I missing something? On 14 Jun 2006, at 14:23, Matthew Buckett wrote: > Alistair Young wrote: >> thanks again Matthew! so any tool can use the api in Event.java? Big >> N's going to eventify the email tool. What's this... farly's rusks... >> mmmm, where's me spoon... > > No probs... The existing pattern is that a tool subclasses Event.java > (look at something like MessagingEvent or LogBookEvent) and I'd > even do > this if you don't add any extra fields, just so that Event doesn't > become full of crap. The DB layer supports this. > > UserFileEvent is one of the more recent ones and it uses resource > bundles. > > -- > -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer > -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services > -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-06-15 13:11:26
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Matthew Buckett wrote: > Jon Maber wrote: > >> Matthew Buckett wrote: >> >> Did you say if your code is directly calls the SQL or wraps records in >> the quotas table in a Bodington PersistentObject subclass? >> >> If the latter then database reading and writing will operate through a >> single instance of that class so you could add a method like this; >> > > Which reminds me we currently have a bit of a problem with SoftCache and > transactions. > > If I edit a user (loading the User object then changing the surname) > then attempt to save the user which fails (and the DB transaction rolls > back). Softcache will still return the modified user Just the kind of problem that you are infinitely qualified to sort out. ;-) Throwing in my tuppence worth, I think it might take some fairly serious work to get this right. The SQLDatabase class would have to keep track of all the PersistentObjects involved in the transaction. At the moment calling set methods on PersistentObjects doesn't count as part of a transaction - only saving to the database is, so a really thorough work over would have to find a solution to that. Perhaps if the PersistentObject set methods threw exceptions if calling them caused a constraint to be violated? In some circumstances you need to make two or more calls to various setter methods and the constraints are unavoidably broken during the intermediate stages - that could be an area to work on in terms of transactions. In my Vivida project I'm working to a much simpler data model which imposes limitations but makes things easier for the programmer and I hope more reliable. None of the data is in a relational database, it's all in XML files and a fairly simply file locking scheme is implemented. At present none of the data is cached, except via the OS file system cache but it would be fairly simple to implement. All data processing is done via XSLT (Saxon) which is forced to access the file system via URLResolvers which can be subclassed. The return value from these resolvers can reference a stream source or a DOM source or other kinds of source so while at present my customised resolvers simply implement some read and write file locking (so that each XSLT 'transaction' can be made atomic) in the future XML files could be cached as DOM representations. The rolling back of the transaction in the event of an error is quite simple - output URL resolvers direct output to temporary files and these are only copied over on top of the target output files at the end of the successful transaction (perhaps after they have all been validated). Of course unlike an RDB there are no referential integrity checks between XML files and only limited validation within them but that need not necessarily be a huge drawback. So success of the transaction is fairly simply judged - did the transaction manage to get write locks for all the output files, did the transaction put well formed XML into all the output files and optionally did the output files validate against their schemas? At present Vivida is intended for a very small web site with no particular requirement to do complex or deep queries of the data so applying XPath expressions on individual XML files via XSLT is fine. In the future an XML indexer could be tacked on to index the XML files and allowing higher performance queries that span multiple files. This could also help cope with the obvious problem that would occur with a large installation - massive XML files. For example how would the Bodington users table be implemented in XML? It could be maintained conceptually as a single XML file but stored within an XML indexing store which is capable of locking portions of the file independently or it could be split into many XML files and the indexer used to find the right file for a given user. This kind of basic user data is likely to be the least suitable for storage in XML files when there are large numbers of users. However, the data that is most suitable is the tool content data, e.g. MCQ, Questionnaire, Short answer paper questions etc. would probably be better stored as IMS QTI files. Resource specific properties would probably be best as XML files of some kind. In fact probably the resources table would be better as one XML file per resource - instead of using index fields in the database to store the tree structure Bodington could simply use the host file system - one sub directory per resource. The XMLRepository is already used to find resources via XML representations of their metadata so why bother with the resources table at all? Just a thought. Jon |
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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-06-15 11:39:05
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> From: Colin Tatham > Listen for Peter C's audible groan... ;-) (Chuckle). In this case, anything but. > Just wondering what you actually get? > As far as I can see, uploading a content package results in a=20 > Web document. Is that actually useful=20 > when you're importing content from elsewhere? Potentially no, but the CP standard is poorly thought out in some areas: flexible enough to encode anything, but without the ability to transfer code fragments so that the receiving system can process what the sender is sending. As a result, sender and receiver have to agree on the format of the content. At present, Bod only understands Web content from third-party systems. > (And the export is only available in a web doc?) Yes. We could change that, to allow export and round-trip of arbitrary other resources as CPs. Melandra would be happy to provide quotes on a resource-by-resource basis if anyone wants to commission us to perform this work ;-). - Peter |
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From: Colin T. <col...@ou...> - 2006-06-15 11:28:10
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Listen for Peter C's audible groan... ;-) Just wondering what you actually get? As far as I can see, uploading a content package results in a Web document. Is that actually useful when you're importing content from elsewhere? (And the export is only available in a web doc?) Thanks Colin -- ____________________________________ Colin Tatham VLE Team Oxford University Computing Services http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ http://bodington.org |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-06-15 11:04:32
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Matthew Buckett wrote: > Alistair Young wrote: >> thanks again Matthew! so any tool can use the api in Event.java? Big >> N's going to eventify the email tool. What's this... farly's rusks... >> mmmm, where's me spoon... > > No probs... The existing pattern is that a tool subclasses Event.java > (look at something like MessagingEvent or LogBookEvent) and I'd even do > this if you don't add any extra fields, just so that Event doesn't > become full of crap. The DB layer supports this. I've Javadoced Event.java. -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-06-15 09:41:22
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Jon Maber wrote: > Matthew Buckett wrote: > > Did you say if your code is directly calls the SQL or wraps records in > the quotas table in a Bodington PersistentObject subclass? > > If the latter then database reading and writing will operate through a > single instance of that class so you could add a method like this; Which reminds me we currently have a bit of a problem with SoftCache and transactions. If I edit a user (loading the User object then changing the surname) then attempt to save the user which fails (and the DB transaction rolls back). Softcache will still return the modified user. -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-06-14 14:02:01
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Ta, I'll give it a go. Andrew Booth wrote: > Jon > > I don't know when it happened, but someone made it optional (wasn't me). > You have to set the boolean show_demo_data_options to true in doDBCheck() in > SetupServlet.java and recompile. > > Aggie > > -----Original Message----- > From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon > Maber > Sent: 14 June 2006 11:55 > To: Bodington developers > Subject: [Bodington-developers] Demo users and resources > > There used to be the option to create demo users and resources in the > Bodington setup servlet. Has that been hidden away somewhere? I need to > create a load of users for testing and was hoping for a shortcut. > > Jon > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-06-14 13:23:52
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Alistair Young wrote: > thanks again Matthew! so any tool can use the api in Event.java? Big > N's going to eventify the email tool. What's this... farly's rusks... > mmmm, where's me spoon... No probs... The existing pattern is that a tool subclasses Event.java (look at something like MessagingEvent or LogBookEvent) and I'd even do this if you don't add any extra fields, just so that Event doesn't become full of crap. The DB layer supports this. UserFileEvent is one of the more recent ones and it uses resource bundles. -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-06-14 13:17:31
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LOL! I'm just a wee guy - everyone's big to me! oh, here comes Big FC! On 14 Jun 2006, at 14:14, Naomi Miles wrote: > !! Big N ?!! > > On 14 Jun 2006, at 14:09, Alistair Young wrote: > >> thanks again Matthew! so any tool can use the api in Event.java? Big >> N's going to eventify the email tool. What's this... farly's rusks... >> mmmm, where's me spoon... >> >> Alistair >> >> >> On 14 Jun 2006, at 14:06, Matthew Buckett wrote: >> >>> Alistair Young wrote: >>>> ta again! now spoon feed me please and fill in the blanks, waaaa, >>>> waaaa :) >>>> >>>> active_user_id >>> >>> Person who created the event. >>> >>>> passive_user_id >>> >>> Normally null unless the event is about another person (eg sysadmin >>> resetting a password for user buckett, buckett would be the passive >>> user). >>> >>>> event_code >>> >>> Enumeration used by the implementing event class to decide what >>> type of >>> event it is (eg UPLOADFILE, DOWNLOADFILE, EDITPAGE, etc). >>> >>>> importance >>> >>> How important this event is, which is used to decide who has >>> access to >>> it (see Event.java). >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer >>> -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing >>> Services >>> -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bodington-developers mailing list >>> Bod...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bodington-developers mailing list >> Bod...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Naomi M. <na...@sm...> - 2006-06-14 13:14:57
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!! Big N ?!! On 14 Jun 2006, at 14:09, Alistair Young wrote: > thanks again Matthew! so any tool can use the api in Event.java? Big > N's going to eventify the email tool. What's this... farly's rusks... > mmmm, where's me spoon... > > Alistair > > > On 14 Jun 2006, at 14:06, Matthew Buckett wrote: > >> Alistair Young wrote: >>> ta again! now spoon feed me please and fill in the blanks, waaaa, >>> waaaa :) >>> >>> active_user_id >> >> Person who created the event. >> >>> passive_user_id >> >> Normally null unless the event is about another person (eg sysadmin >> resetting a password for user buckett, buckett would be the passive >> user). >> >>> event_code >> >> Enumeration used by the implementing event class to decide what >> type of >> event it is (eg UPLOADFILE, DOWNLOADFILE, EDITPAGE, etc). >> >>> importance >> >> How important this event is, which is used to decide who has >> access to >> it (see Event.java). >> >> >> -- >> -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer >> -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing >> Services >> -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bodington-developers mailing list >> Bod...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-06-14 13:10:27
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thanks again Matthew! so any tool can use the api in Event.java? Big N's going to eventify the email tool. What's this... farly's rusks... mmmm, where's me spoon... Alistair On 14 Jun 2006, at 14:06, Matthew Buckett wrote: > Alistair Young wrote: >> ta again! now spoon feed me please and fill in the blanks, waaaa, >> waaaa :) >> >> active_user_id > > Person who created the event. > >> passive_user_id > > Normally null unless the event is about another person (eg sysadmin > resetting a password for user buckett, buckett would be the passive > user). > >> event_code > > Enumeration used by the implementing event class to decide what > type of > event it is (eg UPLOADFILE, DOWNLOADFILE, EDITPAGE, etc). > >> importance > > How important this event is, which is used to decide who has access to > it (see Event.java). > > > -- > -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer > -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services > -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-06-14 13:06:34
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Alistair Young wrote: > ta again! now spoon feed me please and fill in the blanks, waaaa, > waaaa :) > > active_user_id Person who created the event. > passive_user_id Normally null unless the event is about another person (eg sysadmin resetting a password for user buckett, buckett would be the passive user). > event_code Enumeration used by the implementing event class to decide what type of event it is (eg UPLOADFILE, DOWNLOADFILE, EDITPAGE, etc). > importance How important this event is, which is used to decide who has access to it (see Event.java). -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-06-14 12:59:26
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ta again! now spoon feed me please and fill in the blanks, waaaa, waaaa :) active_user_id passive_user_id event_code importance with large spoon... Alistair On 14 Jun 2006, at 13:50, Matthew Buckett wrote: > Alistair Young wrote: >> thanks Matthew - how does an Event compare to an Access? Is Access >> and the events table separate from Events? i.e. does the events table >> only hold info on accesses? or does it hold event info too? > > An event is generated when a user moves from one resource to another. > This is tracked through top.html so that linked images to other > resources don't look like user movements. > The events table holds all access as NavigationEvents. > > > -- > -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer > -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services > -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-06-14 12:50:57
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Alistair Young wrote: > thanks Matthew - how does an Event compare to an Access? Is Access > and the events table separate from Events? i.e. does the events table > only hold info on accesses? or does it hold event info too? An event is generated when a user moves from one resource to another. This is tracked through top.html so that linked images to other resources don't look like user movements. The events table holds all access as NavigationEvents. -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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From: Matthew B. <mat...@ou...> - 2006-06-14 12:48:26
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Peter Crowther wrote: >> From: Matthew Buckett >> Yep your right. As a side note PostgreSQL implements >> TRANSACTION_REPEATABLE_READ as SERIALIZABLE. > > Bah, these half-complete databases ;-). > > (As an amusing piece of history, up until SQL Server 7.0, MSSQL > implemented SERIALIZABLE as REPEATABLE_READ - far more dangerous and > very poorly documented) But a nice performance improvement ;-) -- -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ |
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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-06-14 12:34:11
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> From: Matthew Buckett > Yep your right. As a side note PostgreSQL implements=20 > TRANSACTION_REPEATABLE_READ as SERIALIZABLE. Bah, these half-complete databases ;-). (As an amusing piece of history, up until SQL Server 7.0, MSSQL implemented SERIALIZABLE as REPEATABLE_READ - far more dangerous and very poorly documented) - Peter |
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From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2006-06-14 12:33:42
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Jon I don't know when it happened, but someone made it optional (wasn't me). You have to set the boolean show_demo_data_options to true in doDBCheck() in SetupServlet.java and recompile. Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of Jon Maber Sent: 14 June 2006 11:55 To: Bodington developers Subject: [Bodington-developers] Demo users and resources There used to be the option to create demo users and resources in the Bodington setup servlet. Has that been hidden away somewhere? I need to create a load of users for testing and was hoping for a shortcut. Jon _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-06-14 12:24:47
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thanks Matthew - how does an Event compare to an Access? Is Access and the events table separate from Events? i.e. does the events table only hold info on accesses? or does it hold event info too? ta, Alistair On 14 Jun 2006, at 13:04, Matthew Buckett wrote: > 2nd attempt... > > Alistair Young wrote: >> Where does the access log thingy get it's data from? Is it a db >> table? Manage -> Access log > > Events table. Its a summary of the navigation events for the current > resource. > > -- > -- Matthew Buckett, VLE Developer > -- Learning Technologies Group, Oxford University Computing Services > -- Tel: +44 (0)1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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