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From: Colin T. <col...@ou...> - 2006-07-05 12:58:35
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Although I agree with most of what you say (I think) it doesn't seem to address what I was suggesting/asking? (Maybe it wasn't supposed to :-) ) 1) Can the SP bit be turned off by default, or re-configured so that the *Shibb* route is via a different URL? 2) Is the SP code already in HEAD? Although I agree having a different login route for Shibb isn't as good as a Shunnel(!) releasing 2.8 with different URL Shibb is better than not including it at all, especially if we have to take the code out of HEAD? Colin Alistair Young wrote: > Let me clarify first, that the issue is with bod itself, not with > what Atif has produced as a shibb module. I suspect the hand of > politics involved and as we all know, developers are it's servants. > > It would seem that local demands have impinged upon the gx philosophy > of minimal disruption. e.g. the bod IdP runs without normal users' > knowledge and the SP should do the same. We, the gx project as a > whole, could have caught this earlier if we'd known about it but we > didn't so we couldn't. As the gx project is not about custom coding > to local demands then I would say it's fair to ask Atif or someone > Leeds can nominate to remove the implications of those local demands > and bring bod in line with the minimal philosophy. > > This means providing a separate shibb route into bod. We've seen it > before with webauth etc so it's possible and is arguably the way it > should have been. > > As it stands, it's unacceptable to change the way an institution's > users work just so that a feature of the vle can be tested. When > opening your vle to shibbed users means inconveniencing your own > users, then we have failed. It's bad practice and bad publicity that > will only harm bod in the long run. > > The Guanxi and SOCKET projects enjoy a symbiotic relationship so > let's not disturb that. Instead, let's find a way out of this that is > benficial to all concerned. Whether that means subcontracting to > someone who knows enough about bod to implement this is a matter for > discussion. > > Indeed, we know of someone who is currently available and is fresh > from testing bod and has some shibb knowledge to boot ;) > > Alistair > > > On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:57, Colin Tatham wrote: > > >>Sean Mehan wrote: >> >>>well, what it does mean is that >>> >>>1) GX isn't done, still; >>>2) 2.8 will ship with no SP support unless we delay the 2.8 release >>>for an indeterminate amount of time. >> >>Are the problems with the SP that bad that we remove it for 2.8? >>I think the main one is the fact that you can't use the same login >>route for Shibb and normal Bod >>auth (and the fact that sysadmin has to go via /opensite/). If it's >>possible to release it with the >>SP stuff turned off, it will work as normal, and if people want to >>test the SP, they follow some >>short instructions to enable it (and find out that they have to now >>login via /opensite/ as sysadmin)? >> >>Colin >> >> >> >>>If it is the case that we still haven't finished GX (with the SP in >>>bod being a component of that), then, I suppose that we are beholden >>>to Leeds to find the time for >>>their current project, which is still giving them money, in order to >>>complete a project for which they received all of their money some >>>time ago. >>> >>>As for 2, all things being equal, its a ++2 from me to ship Bod 2.8 >>>with no SP support. >>> >>>s >>> >>> >>>On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:13, Alistair Young wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>nae probs wee man! >>>> >>>>On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:16, Atif Suleman wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Thanks Alistair for the feedback: >>>>>http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? >>>>>title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality >>>>> >>>>>Any work on bodington-sp will have to wait until Socket project is >>>>>finished at the end of the month. >>>>> >>>>>Ta >>>>>Atif. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Sean Mehan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On the SP side, Atif, can you fix the things Al has found there, >>>>>>including the documentation? We really need the SP to work as a >>>>>>final >>>>>>output for GX. >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks, >>>>>>S >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On 5 Jul 2006, at 10:38, Alistair Young wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I've updated the testing page: >>>>>>>http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? >>>>>>>title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Good work Atif on the sp module but bod itself just isn't ready >>>>>>>to be >>>>>>>an sp IMHO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Alistair >>>>>>> >> >>-- >>____________________________________ >>Colin Tatham >>VLE Team >>Oxford University Computing Services >> >>http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ >>http://bodington.org >> >>Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >>security? >>Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your >>job easier >>Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >>Geronimo >>http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >>cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >>_______________________________________________ >>Bodington-developers mailing list >>Bod...@li... >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > -- ____________________________________ Colin Tatham VLE Team Oxford University Computing Services http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ http://bodington.org |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-07-05 12:43:40
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Let me clarify first, that the issue is with bod itself, not with what Atif has produced as a shibb module. I suspect the hand of politics involved and as we all know, developers are it's servants. It would seem that local demands have impinged upon the gx philosophy of minimal disruption. e.g. the bod IdP runs without normal users' knowledge and the SP should do the same. We, the gx project as a whole, could have caught this earlier if we'd known about it but we didn't so we couldn't. As the gx project is not about custom coding to local demands then I would say it's fair to ask Atif or someone Leeds can nominate to remove the implications of those local demands and bring bod in line with the minimal philosophy. This means providing a separate shibb route into bod. We've seen it before with webauth etc so it's possible and is arguably the way it should have been. As it stands, it's unacceptable to change the way an institution's users work just so that a feature of the vle can be tested. When opening your vle to shibbed users means inconveniencing your own users, then we have failed. It's bad practice and bad publicity that will only harm bod in the long run. The Guanxi and SOCKET projects enjoy a symbiotic relationship so let's not disturb that. Instead, let's find a way out of this that is benficial to all concerned. Whether that means subcontracting to someone who knows enough about bod to implement this is a matter for discussion. Indeed, we know of someone who is currently available and is fresh from testing bod and has some shibb knowledge to boot ;) Alistair On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:57, Colin Tatham wrote: > Sean Mehan wrote: >> well, what it does mean is that >> >> 1) GX isn't done, still; >> 2) 2.8 will ship with no SP support unless we delay the 2.8 release >> for an indeterminate amount of time. > > Are the problems with the SP that bad that we remove it for 2.8? > I think the main one is the fact that you can't use the same login > route for Shibb and normal Bod > auth (and the fact that sysadmin has to go via /opensite/). If it's > possible to release it with the > SP stuff turned off, it will work as normal, and if people want to > test the SP, they follow some > short instructions to enable it (and find out that they have to now > login via /opensite/ as sysadmin)? > > Colin > > >> If it is the case that we still haven't finished GX (with the SP in >> bod being a component of that), then, I suppose that we are beholden >> to Leeds to find the time for >> their current project, which is still giving them money, in order to >> complete a project for which they received all of their money some >> time ago. >> >> As for 2, all things being equal, its a ++2 from me to ship Bod 2.8 >> with no SP support. >> >> s >> >> >> On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:13, Alistair Young wrote: >> >> >>> nae probs wee man! >>> >>> On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:16, Atif Suleman wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Thanks Alistair for the feedback: >>>> http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? >>>> title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality >>>> >>>> Any work on bodington-sp will have to wait until Socket project is >>>> finished at the end of the month. >>>> >>>> Ta >>>> Atif. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sean Mehan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On the SP side, Atif, can you fix the things Al has found there, >>>>> including the documentation? We really need the SP to work as a >>>>> final >>>>> output for GX. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> S >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5 Jul 2006, at 10:38, Alistair Young wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I've updated the testing page: >>>>>> http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? >>>>>> title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality >>>>>> >>>>>> Good work Atif on the sp module but bod itself just isn't ready >>>>>> to be >>>>>> an sp IMHO. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alistair >>>>>> > -- > ____________________________________ > Colin Tatham > VLE Team > Oxford University Computing Services > > http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ > http://bodington.org > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Colin T. <col...@ou...> - 2006-07-05 11:57:22
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Sean Mehan wrote: > well, what it does mean is that > > 1) GX isn't done, still; > 2) 2.8 will ship with no SP support unless we delay the 2.8 release > for an indeterminate amount of time. Are the problems with the SP that bad that we remove it for 2.8? I think the main one is the fact that you can't use the same login route for Shibb and normal Bod auth (and the fact that sysadmin has to go via /opensite/). If it's possible to release it with the SP stuff turned off, it will work as normal, and if people want to test the SP, they follow some short instructions to enable it (and find out that they have to now login via /opensite/ as sysadmin)? Colin > If it is the case that we still haven't finished GX (with the SP in > bod being a component of that), then, I suppose that we are beholden > to Leeds to find the time for > their current project, which is still giving them money, in order to > complete a project for which they received all of their money some > time ago. > > As for 2, all things being equal, its a ++2 from me to ship Bod 2.8 > with no SP support. > > s > > > On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:13, Alistair Young wrote: > > >>nae probs wee man! >> >>On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:16, Atif Suleman wrote: >> >> >>>Thanks Alistair for the feedback: >>>http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? >>>title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality >>> >>>Any work on bodington-sp will have to wait until Socket project is >>>finished at the end of the month. >>> >>>Ta >>>Atif. >>> >>> >>>Sean Mehan wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On the SP side, Atif, can you fix the things Al has found there, >>>>including the documentation? We really need the SP to work as a >>>>final >>>>output for GX. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>S >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On 5 Jul 2006, at 10:38, Alistair Young wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I've updated the testing page: >>>>>http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? >>>>>title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality >>>>> >>>>>Good work Atif on the sp module but bod itself just isn't ready >>>>>to be >>>>>an sp IMHO. >>>>> >>>>>Alistair >>>>> -- ____________________________________ Colin Tatham VLE Team Oxford University Computing Services http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ http://bodington.org |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-07-05 11:45:27
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It is a real big shame that bod aint no SP but I gree that we should get it out. +1 Colin should have by now finished editing the wiki to indicate the status of bugs (and RFE's that have also crept in during testing). adam | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... | [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of | Sean Mehan | Sent: 05 July 2006 12:41 | To: Bodington developers | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] SP testing on wiki | | well, what it does mean is that | | 1) GX isn't done, still; | 2) 2.8 will ship with no SP support unless we delay the 2.8 release | for an indeterminate amount of time. | | If it is the case that we still haven't finished GX (with the SP in | bod being a component of that), then, I suppose that we are beholden | to Leeds to find the time for | their current project, which is still giving them money, in order to | complete a project for which they received all of their money some | time ago. | | As for 2, all things being equal, its a ++2 from me to ship Bod 2.8 | with no SP support. | | s | | | On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:13, Alistair Young wrote: | | > nae probs wee man! | > | > On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:16, Atif Suleman wrote: | > | >> Thanks Alistair for the feedback: | >> http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? | >> title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality | >> | >> Any work on bodington-sp will have to wait until Socket project is | >> finished at the end of the month. | >> | >> Ta | >> Atif. | >> | >> | >> Sean Mehan wrote: | >> | >>> On the SP side, Atif, can you fix the things Al has found there, | >>> including the documentation? We really need the SP to work as a | >>> final | >>> output for GX. | >>> | >>> Thanks, | >>> S | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> On 5 Jul 2006, at 10:38, Alistair Young wrote: | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>>> I've updated the testing page: | >>>> http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? | >>>> title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality | >>>> | >>>> Good work Atif on the sp module but bod itself just isn't ready | >>>> to be | >>>> an sp IMHO. | >>>> | >>>> Alistair | >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | >>>> . | >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | >> | >> | >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, | >> security? | >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your | >> job easier | >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache | >> Geronimo | >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? | >> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | >> _______________________________________________ | >> Bodington-developers mailing list | >> Bod...@li... | >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | > | > | > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, | > security? | > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your | > job easier | > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache | > Geronimo | > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? | > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | > _______________________________________________ | > Bodington-developers mailing list | > Bod...@li... | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | > | | | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | easier | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo | http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Sean M. <se...@sm...> - 2006-07-05 11:40:59
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well, what it does mean is that 1) GX isn't done, still; 2) 2.8 will ship with no SP support unless we delay the 2.8 release for an indeterminate amount of time. If it is the case that we still haven't finished GX (with the SP in bod being a component of that), then, I suppose that we are beholden to Leeds to find the time for their current project, which is still giving them money, in order to complete a project for which they received all of their money some time ago. As for 2, all things being equal, its a ++2 from me to ship Bod 2.8 with no SP support. s On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:13, Alistair Young wrote: > nae probs wee man! > > On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:16, Atif Suleman wrote: > >> Thanks Alistair for the feedback: >> http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? >> title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality >> >> Any work on bodington-sp will have to wait until Socket project is >> finished at the end of the month. >> >> Ta >> Atif. >> >> >> Sean Mehan wrote: >> >>> On the SP side, Atif, can you fix the things Al has found there, >>> including the documentation? We really need the SP to work as a >>> final >>> output for GX. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> S >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5 Jul 2006, at 10:38, Alistair Young wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I've updated the testing page: >>>> http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? >>>> title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality >>>> >>>> Good work Atif on the sp module but bod itself just isn't ready >>>> to be >>>> an sp IMHO. >>>> >>>> Alistair >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> security? >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your >> job easier >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >> Geronimo >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> _______________________________________________ >> Bodington-developers mailing list >> Bod...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-07-05 11:13:18
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nae probs wee man! On 5 Jul 2006, at 12:16, Atif Suleman wrote: > Thanks Alistair for the feedback: > http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? > title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality > > Any work on bodington-sp will have to wait until Socket project is > finished at the end of the month. > > Ta > Atif. > > > Sean Mehan wrote: > >> On the SP side, Atif, can you fix the things Al has found there, >> including the documentation? We really need the SP to work as a final >> output for GX. >> >> Thanks, >> S >> >> >> >> On 5 Jul 2006, at 10:38, Alistair Young wrote: >> >> >> >>> I've updated the testing page: >>> http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? >>> title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality >>> >>> Good work Atif on the sp module but bod itself just isn't ready >>> to be >>> an sp IMHO. >>> >>> Alistair >>> >>> >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Atif S. <BM...@bm...> - 2006-07-05 11:12:34
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Thanks Alistair for the feedback: http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php?title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality Any work on bodington-sp will have to wait until Socket project is finished at the end of the month. Ta Atif. Sean Mehan wrote: >On the SP side, Atif, can you fix the things Al has found there, >including the documentation? We really need the SP to work as a final >output for GX. > >Thanks, >S > > > >On 5 Jul 2006, at 10:38, Alistair Young wrote: > > > >>I've updated the testing page: >>http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? >>title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality >> >>Good work Atif on the sp module but bod itself just isn't ready to be >>an sp IMHO. >> >>Alistair >> >> >> >>. >> >> >> |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-07-05 11:03:00
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This prompted me to say: Bodington.eu has not been taken yet, nor has tetraelf.eu | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... | [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of | Sean Mehan | Sent: 05 July 2006 11:17 | To: Bodington developers | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] SP testing on wiki | | OK. | | Thanks, Alistair. | | Guys, we need to parse what Alistair has written about the SP and | IdP. The idea of registering the bod urn is easy. How do we register | it practically? Is there a cost? Need it be an institution? | | On the SP side, Atif, can you fix the things Al has found there, | including the documentation? We really need the SP to work as a final | output for GX. | | Thanks, | S | | | | On 5 Jul 2006, at 10:38, Alistair Young wrote: | | > I've updated the testing page: | > http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? | > title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality | > | > Good work Atif on the sp module but bod itself just isn't ready to be | > an sp IMHO. | > | > Alistair | > | > | > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, | > security? | > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your | > job easier | > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache | > Geronimo | > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? | > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | > _______________________________________________ | > Bodington-developers mailing list | > Bod...@li... | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | > | | | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | easier | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo | http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-07-05 10:25:10
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I've updated the wiki with URLs for registering namespaces On 5 Jul 2006, at 11:16, Sean Mehan wrote: > OK. > > Thanks, Alistair. > > Guys, we need to parse what Alistair has written about the SP and > IdP. The idea of registering the bod urn is easy. How do we register > it practically? Is there a cost? Need it be an institution? > > On the SP side, Atif, can you fix the things Al has found there, > including the documentation? We really need the SP to work as a final > output for GX. > > Thanks, > S > > > > On 5 Jul 2006, at 10:38, Alistair Young wrote: > >> I've updated the testing page: >> http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? >> title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality >> >> Good work Atif on the sp module but bod itself just isn't ready to be >> an sp IMHO. >> >> Alistair >> >> >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> security? >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your >> job easier >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >> Geronimo >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> _______________________________________________ >> Bodington-developers mailing list >> Bod...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers >> > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Sean M. <se...@sm...> - 2006-07-05 10:16:55
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OK. Thanks, Alistair. Guys, we need to parse what Alistair has written about the SP and IdP. The idea of registering the bod urn is easy. How do we register it practically? Is there a cost? Need it be an institution? On the SP side, Atif, can you fix the things Al has found there, including the documentation? We really need the SP to work as a final output for GX. Thanks, S On 5 Jul 2006, at 10:38, Alistair Young wrote: > I've updated the testing page: > http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? > title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality > > Good work Atif on the sp module but bod itself just isn't ready to be > an sp IMHO. > > Alistair > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
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From: Brian P. C. <bm...@bm...> - 2006-07-05 09:47:50
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Si, Aggie is still away - another week or so yet - in the country that hasn't sold out to the yankee dollar. Vamanos mustachioes, Brian > Last i spoke with him, he was at a floating bar drinking copious > amounts of "medicinal" rum.... > > > s > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-07-05 09:38:35
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I've updated the testing page: http://www.bodington.org/wiki/index.php? title=TestRel2.8#Shibboleth_Functionality Good work Atif on the sp module but bod itself just isn't ready to be an sp IMHO. Alistair |
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From: Sean M. <se...@sm...> - 2006-07-05 09:22:08
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Last i spoke with him, he was at a floating bar drinking copious amounts of "medicinal" rum.... s |
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From: Sean M. <se...@sm...> - 2006-07-05 09:15:38
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Hi, Jon. There is some stuff outstanding from PC, who is working on it. I think that Colin still had a couple of "Will fix" and there are still too many "Could dos" with no response or commitment. AB has a section that he needs to respond to. AY is doing shibb testing and will have some wisdom soon, I hope!-) EVERYONE NEEDS TO GO AND READ THROUGH THE WIKI AS YOU MAY BE ABLE TO COMMENT / REDUCE THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES. When we have something back on this, Jon, we'll be in a position to go through the list again and see what reduction we have achieved, and which push to the 2.10 todo list. thanks, s On 5 Jul 2006, at 09:39, Jon Maber wrote: > I've been busy working for a client over the last few days so I've not > been monitoring the mailing list very closely. I'm ready to do a full > day of testing as and when it is most useful and can do it at short > notice (Including this weekend if required.) > > Perhaps Sean or Adam could send me a personal Email when the time is > right and I'll get to work. > > Jon > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
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From: Jon M. <jo...@te...> - 2006-07-05 08:39:23
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I've been busy working for a client over the last few days so I've not been monitoring the mailing list very closely. I'm ready to do a full day of testing as and when it is most useful and can do it at short notice (Including this weekend if required.) Perhaps Sean or Adam could send me a personal Email when the time is right and I'll get to work. Jon |
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From: Sean M. <se...@sm...> - 2006-07-04 09:26:14
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that's no doubt a mistake. We use ankle tags up here!-) On 4 Jul 2006, at 09:59, Adam Marshall wrote: > Mtt's away this week > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: bod...@li... > | [mailto:bod...@li...] On > Behalf Of > | Alistair Young > | Sent: 04 July 2006 09:11 > | To: Bodington developers > | Subject: [Bodington-developers] Spring again > | > | Matthew, is there a spring config file available? Downloaded your > | weblearn stuff but can't find one. I'd like to do a jsp for chat > | users online. Rather than stick it in Facility and then remove it > for > | release as no-one else has a chat server, I'd like to use your > spring > | stuff and do jsp/beans. > | > | ta, > | > | Alistair > | > | > | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make > your job > | easier > | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > | http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > | _______________________________________________ > | Bodington-developers mailing list > | Bod...@li... > | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
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From: M T. <m....@gm...> - 2006-07-04 09:08:35
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Has anyone got the Apache Tomcat Native library stuff working on their live server or even a test server? M. On 29/06/06, Colin Tatham <col...@ou...> wrote: > > Dunno anything about it (apart from messages from Tomcat that it can't be > found) but is it worth > looking at the Apache Tomcat Native library: > > "INFO: The Apache Tomcat Native library which allows optimal performance > in production environments > was not found"... > > Colin > > M Thomas wrote: > > Already done Jon... ;o) > > > > Thanks guys, was just checking... but it seems you're all in agreement > > that tomcat performs well with out too much config! > > > > M. > > > > On 28/06/06, Jon Maber <jo...@te...> wrote: > > > >>Atif Suleman wrote: > >> > >>>>Anyway, in the general scheme of things, one is far more likely to > >>>>encounter performance problems with the database rather than the > servlet > >>>> container (if we're talking about bodington here!). > >>>> > >>>>I presume you're running on JDK 1.5, anyway, the combination with that > >>>>should mean that things are running faster than Tomcat 5.0 + J2SDK > >>>>v1.4.2 anyway. > >>>> > >>>>Other than that, I don't have any particular tips. I don't think it's > >>>>generally regarded as a slouch in the performance department. > >>>> > >>>>Alexis > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>yep. > >>> > >> > >>Most obvious tip - use JAVA_OPTS environment variable to set the size of > >>the JVM heap to much bigger than the default, including the option to > >>set the initial heap to the maximum too. > >> > >>Jon > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > >>Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > >>Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > >>http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Bodington-developers mailing list > >>Bod...@li... > >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > ____________________________________ > Colin Tatham > VLE Team > Oxford University Computing Services > > http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ > http://bodington.org > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > -- m.cha3l |
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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2006-07-04 09:02:02
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Mtt's away this week | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... | [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of | Alistair Young | Sent: 04 July 2006 09:11 | To: Bodington developers | Subject: [Bodington-developers] Spring again | | Matthew, is there a spring config file available? Downloaded your | weblearn stuff but can't find one. I'd like to do a jsp for chat | users online. Rather than stick it in Facility and then remove it for | release as no-one else has a chat server, I'd like to use your spring | stuff and do jsp/beans. | | ta, | | Alistair | | | Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? | Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job | easier | Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo | http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-07-04 08:22:10
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'sokay - found them in /etc! On 4 Jul 2006, at 09:11, Alistair Young wrote: > Matthew, is there a spring config file available? Downloaded your > weblearn stuff but can't find one. I'd like to do a jsp for chat > users online. Rather than stick it in Facility and then remove it for > release as no-one else has a chat server, I'd like to use your spring > stuff and do jsp/beans. > > ta, > > Alistair > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your > job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? > cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
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From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2006-07-04 08:11:49
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Matthew, is there a spring config file available? Downloaded your weblearn stuff but can't find one. I'd like to do a jsp for chat users online. Rather than stick it in Facility and then remove it for release as no-one else has a chat server, I'd like to use your spring stuff and do jsp/beans. ta, Alistair |
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From: Colin T. <col...@ou...> - 2006-07-03 15:09:09
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Peter Crowther wrote: > Note that it's possible to Watch a mediawiki page and be notified on > changes. I tend to do this with eg. Bug pages. This assumes you can > confirm your email address, of course... If you're involved in fixing > bugs for 2.8, watching the bug page might be prudent. I've found that it's not that reliable. Haven't narrowed it down yet, but one situation seems to be when you go to view changes made (after receiving email) and the editor makes further edits. In this case you don't get an email for the later edits... Colin -- ____________________________________ Colin Tatham VLE Team Oxford University Computing Services http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ http://bodington.org |
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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-07-03 14:54:20
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Note that it's possible to Watch a mediawiki page and be notified on changes. I tend to do this with eg. Bug pages. This assumes you can confirm your email address, of course... If you're involved in fixing bugs for 2.8, watching the bug page might be prudent. - Peter |
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From: Sean M. <se...@sm...> - 2006-07-03 14:44:09
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Bodders! NB: There are bits that still require ownership and further spec. PC, for example, has responded to text about Pigenhole and doesn't claim one of the bugs. So, anyone want to cop up? Jon, he also has some feedback / ?s for you, e.g. ACLs Alistair, you were going to write up notes on the Shibb testing.... s |
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From: Sean M. <se...@sm...> - 2006-07-03 14:40:59
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Bodders. I see that there is more text at http://www.bodington.org/wiki/ index.php?title=TestRel2.8 and I have been told offline that fixes will be in this week. As you fix, please edit the wiki. Jon, when do you think that you should retest all the duds? s |
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From: Peter C. <Pet...@me...> - 2006-07-03 09:59:33
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> From: Sean Mehan > Subject: [Bodington-developers] i want this on the wiki, now!-) (Confused look) But our software's open source, so nobody buys it... So who's the idiot? ;-) (yes, my eyes do look squiffy when I wink, unlike Sean's) - Peter |
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